City Council — August 28, 2025 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:04:47AM Tampa City Council meeting. I would like to call this meeting to order. If everybody would please rise for a moment of silence and a recognition of what happened in minneapolis yesterday morning, the senseless loss of life through gun violence once again affecting children. Too many children in this country have died as a result of gun violence. [Moment of silence] thank you. Pledge of allegiance. [Pledge of allegiance] roll call vote, please.

Charlie Miranda

9:05:39AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:05:39AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:05:40AM Here. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

9:05:42AM Here.

Alan Clendenin

9:05:43AM Here.

The clerk

9:05:44AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:05:45AM I would like to receive a motion to approve the minutes from August 7 and the evening session of August 21st. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Thank you. Approval of the agenda. We have a request for item number 2 from F.D.O.T. To continue that item to 9/18. Can I make a suggestion on this one? Maybe it's out of order. This came from -- it's been on the agenda since 2020. Could we have this removed from the agenda and maybe rethink what we're asking from them more specific?

Bill Carlson

9:06:25AM Well, it was on the CRA agenda for many, many years before that. And I suggested moving it to City Council because before then workforce only affecting CRA areas. We moved it so they could update us on whatever they wanted citywide.

Alan Clendenin

9:06:43AM I was thinking if somebody would come up with something very specific about specific projects maybe.

Lynn Hurtak

9:06:50AM We actually did that. That's what they will be doing in September is coming with specific projects. I think after the September presentation, maybe we can revisit.

Bill Carlson

9:06:59AM Instead of taking off the agenda, maybe we do, as you say, narrow the scope.

Alan Clendenin

9:07:04AM Remove this one and introduce a new one so it's current and applicable today.

Bill Carlson

9:07:13AM Just this one today we're moving.

Alan Clendenin

9:07:15AM Continue this and have it removed -- okay. Motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilwoman Hurtak. To continue this item until September 18. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I need a motion to remove item 76 from the agenda per councilwoman Hurtak's request.

Lynn Hurtak

9:07:36AM The only reason I'm removing it is because we had a pretty lengthy discussion already this month before stormwater during the stormwater budget. It's not that we're taking it away. We're just giving them a due break moving forward. They will have the report online, I believe. But we will go to next month to talk about stormwater.

Alan Clendenin

9:08:02AM We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. We have a request from Councilman Viera to continue item 77 to November 6. We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. The ayes have it. We have a motion to receive and file written staff reports. Is there anything else that was on here?

Lynn Hurtak

9:08:38AM There is a request that the annual report of body worn cameras be discontinued. I still think that's relevant and important.

Alan Clendenin

9:08:51AM What is council's thought about that?

Martin Shelby

9:08:54AM Are you going through the staff --

Alan Clendenin

9:08:56AM Written staff reports.

Bill Carlson

9:08:58AM I would leave it on. When they were in test phase and then expanded them, the community was in favor and the police in favor, so it benefits both. Not for or against anybody.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:15AM This has been on since '21. Would someone like to take ownership in this, remove this item from the agenda and then come back with something that was --

Lynn Hurtak

9:09:26AM It's not removing from the agenda. There is a written report, we're studio receive and file it. Maybe Councilman Viera, since it's his committee, could talk to the chief about the modification of it. Councilman Viera will take an iou to rework this in a more applicable way?

Luis Viera

9:09:51AM I mean, maybe I can speak and update you all on it next week.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:56AM We're just going to receive and file the written report. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to receive and file. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

9:10:07AM 82 needs to be continued to September 4.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:13AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to continue item 82 to September 4. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye.

Lynn Hurtak

9:10:19AM The reason Ms. Wynn told me, the powerpoint is ready, but it needs to be a little clearer for understanding. It's truly moving to next week. We're not moving this forward. This is about Julian b. Lane River Center and the transparency and new policy updates. This was something that Councilwoman Henderson was working on closely. I don't want the public to think we're stopping it. We're just moving it to next week. The written tree canopy study needs to be continued to November 6.

Bill Carlson

9:10:57AM I move to continue to November 6.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:59AM Motion from Councilman Carlson to continue item 83 to November 6, 2025. That's from staff. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed, say no. the ayes have it unanimous.

Bill Carlson

9:11:15AM The idea of this was that we could take a snapshot after the hurricanes. It was supposed to have done a year ago. The longer we wait, the more chance development will get in and won't have an accurate reading of what the hurricanes did.

Alan Clendenin

9:11:31AM There will not be a staff report. Everybody wish Chief Bennett good thoughts. He's not feeling well today. I believe he will be watching us on tv and available if we needed him. No administrative report today. Anybody else with the agenda? Staff reports.

Bill Carlson

9:11:54AM One thing before I get a letter from the mayor? I misspoke. This tree canopy was supposed to have been done several months ago, not last year, just to correct the record.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:07AM Record corrected.

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:10AM I definitely want to see the revised resolution for 69. I would like to keep that on.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:20AM We want staff for 69. Do we want staff for 70?

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:28AM We already have the discussion. I think we can just approve it.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:32AM 71? Eric Weiss is available. No.

Martin Shelby

9:12:42AM Please announce it, Mr. Chairman so the staff listening can know.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:46AM We do not require staff for 70 or 71. 72?

Guido Maniscalco

9:12:51AM [Inaudible]

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:53AM No. I just want to say I'm really thankful that Hillsborough county is giving us $13 million to fix their intersections.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:03AM Just in case you didn't detect that. We do not require staff for item 72.

Lynn Hurtak

9:13:09AM Or 73 because they go together.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:12AM Or 73, you're right. 74?

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:16AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:13:17AM Okay. There was a consultant available for 74. We're going to look forward to staff's report on 74. 75?

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:27AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:13:28AM Councilman Carlson, it's yours.

Bill Carlson

9:13:30AM Staff doesn't have more to that. There may be people in public comment that want to speak. For now, the neighbors in this particular area are going to handle it with staff and see what they really get.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:42AM Staff, we do not need your presence for item 75.

Bill Carlson

9:13:47AM Should we receive and file it?

Alan Clendenin

9:13:49AM Motion to receive and file?

Bill Carlson

9:13:51AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:54AM For everything that we did not require a staff report on.

Martin Shelby

9:13:57AM Wait a second, if I can -- yeah, especially on the big ticket items. When you are done with the consent docket, we can go back to the ones that can be moved.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:08AM Thank you, Attorney Shelby. Motion to approve the agenda?

Lynn Hurtak

9:14:14AM Do we need to talk about the substitutes?

Alan Clendenin

9:14:17AM Deal with them when they come up?

Luis Viera

9:14:20AM For 77, was that already moved to November 6? Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:24AM I would defer to Councilman Viera to an acknowledgment for special guests we have in chambers.

Lynn Hurtak

9:14:30AM Motion to approve the agenda.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:32AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Seconds from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The agenda is approved.

Luis Viera

9:14:39AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I wanted to welcome students from realizing exceptional achievements, a community hospital. Realizing exceptional achievements community hospital also known as reach, Hillsborough county public school adult education program that provides training and support to young adults. Reach offers each student an opportunity to explore career options, utilize public transportation, and improve self-advocacy and social skills that will ensure their potential as successful, independent, and contributing members of society. I wanted to welcome these nice folks here. I didn't know, Mr. Chairman, if it would be okay if each student came up, if they are comfortable, and gave their name. There's about a dozen.

Alan Clendenin

9:15:19AM Hearing no objection, approved.

Luis Viera

9:15:21AM Thank you. If you want to come up and give your names, we would be delighted. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:00AM Good morning, Andrew. Sonya gonzalez.

9:16:15AM Would you like to say something about the group? They all utilize the city transportation to get to and from the hospital. That's where they work at. We love HART. We love everything about the HART bus line. They really, really help us out for our students. Thank you for having us. We really appreciate it.

9:16:39AM Thank you all for showing up at City Council This morning. We appreciate it.

Luis Viera

9:16:46AM I wanted to thank our HART board member Gary for starting that class. Thank you very much. I won't break sunshine by engaging with you on that clap. May I introduce Mr. Clemens?

Alan Clendenin

9:16:58AM We're going to move on to item 1. Councilman Viera's item. Take it away, Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

9:17:04AM I would like to introduce Mr. Clayton Clemens, the executive director of project focus, a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting young people with developmental disabilities. Clayton oversees strategic program development partnership, cultivation, media relation and other efforts geared toward expanding the organization's impact. Long-term vision includes developing a state-of-the-art living community where persons with developmental disabilities can learn, thrive, live independently. He leverages background in politics, government relations and strategic communications to drive project focus' growth. He holds a lot of other different -- wears different hats. Proud University of Tampa graduate and also a cross-fit coach and volunteers with many different organizations. They live in Seminole Heights. Clayton, if you would like to come forward. I invited him over because project focus is starting to work on getting exposure for the large housing initiative they are trying to do for people with intellectual disabilities. We wanted to give you five minutes or so to talk about it to the community. Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chair and council members for having me today. I do have a powerpoint that will have some brief photos that will play during this presentation. I would also like to commend Councilman Viera for his efforts in continuing to support young adults with developmental disabilities and all of the council's efforts in addressing our community's needs. As I said, my name is Clayton Clemens. I'm the executive director of project focus. Before I go any further, I'd like to --

Alan Clendenin

9:18:41AM Pause one moment while I admonish somebody for talking in the back of the chamber. Mr. Michelini, would you please have a seat and stop the conversations interrupting our proceeding. Continue. As I said, I want to pause and discuss my why. If we could have the slide show back up real quick. My why is my nephew rhett. He is ten years old. In utero he suffered a stroke. Infantile seizures a year and half his brain disconnected. He is the reason why I am here today to advocate for project focus. I invite each of you today to reflect on your why, why you ran for office, what gets you up in the morning, what's your purpose and what's the legacy that you want to leave. Project focus is a nonprofit dedicated to supporting young adults through education, workforce and life skill development. We support an -- we are the umbrella nonprofit supporting other organizations. Under that umbrella, we have focus academy, a public charter school for middle, high school, and transition students. It was founded as a place of joy by some parents and advocates here today behind me. We have the focus cafe. It is located in the Temple Terrace rec center and serves as job training site for students year round. Focus forward is an adult day training program for 22 to 30 year olds and up, connecting with the community, volunteering. We have a workforce readiness training program. We just launched through the state's vr program allowing us to adapt the material to gear it towards the population we serve. And we just launched our focus day school, allowing us to serve grades 3 through 6. Expanding our services to support younger students, which is crucial. You'll see some photos now from our programs as I continue on. Thanks to our founders, loretta Gallo-Lopez and josephine isenbergh behind me, we utilized drama therapy, the arts, mental wellness a different approach from other programs. It is the foundation of all of the programs. These tools create growth, foster friendships. They help individuals connect with each other, belong, and they contribute meaningfully to our community. This program to this scale is not being done in any setting that we know of anywhere else. Today we serve over 160 students and young adults every day in our current programs and our waiting lists are growing. In the community, as you'll see, we developed dozens of community partnerships with local businesses, nonprofits and government entities. And that helps us build our job training programs and our ability to have our population connect with that greater community. We collaborate with USF, the University of Tampa to educate that next generation of leaders, and we host seminars to support our parents and our families as they guide the very complicated and complex government systems that they have to and will rely on for many of them the remainder of their lives. Some of the greatest concerns we hear from our families are very similar. Workforce, what's going to happen when I'm not there and where are they going to live. That's what makes project focus vision for the future even more important. It's why I joined the call. It's to build a community within the community, a place that I hope my nephew rhett could call home one day. Here are more awesome partnerships out in the community. But what is next for project focus, and you have a folder in front of you that has the renderings as well. I don't want you to get too hung up on the buildings itself but the vision for the community. In that community in the vision, it includes housing with access to amenities and services and the larger community, public bus stops, greenspace, what you would envision for your family members. A workforce training center that has ground floor activation opportunities with retail and commercial partners, like Feeding Tampa Bay and others where we can set up job training sites that support our students throughout their academic careers, but then also meet the community's needs, whether it's solving a food desert or providing additional vocational rehabilitation training. The final piece is a new place for our focus academy. Because of the importance and focus on the drama therapy, we also include a community theater that we hope to be activated with fellow nonprofit and for-profit partners. In closing, project focus, my team and I, we're working hand in hand with local, state and federal partners to bring a vision, sustainable community model to life here in Tampa. And I understand and my team understands this is no easy task. It's not an easy lift, but we are here to get it done. And we understand that to build a community, it is going to take the community behind us. If you haven't been to our campus, I would encourage you to come check it out because it's probably -- as my founder says, it gives disney a run for its money. With that, I thank you for your time and entertain any questions.

Luis Viera

9:24:00AM Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Clayton for your words, presentation and your team here. A lot of good people who I know well and everything. I wanted to bring you here because what you're talking about is something top of mind of parents raising people with special needs and intellectual disabilities, which is where are they going to live? I know that with experience with my Brother Juan. First baptist church of Brandon for special needs ministry, they went for a few years, and then what do we do with the kids when they get older? My dad took two years off of work as a builder and helped build the group homes, where my Brother Juan lives now. That's really hard to do. What you all are doing is great. I know this is a long-term vision. Something that isn't going to happen tomorrow or next year. But with the help of the private sector, good people that care and core government, this is something I have faith that can happen for people. We just started something I've wanted to do for a long time, special needs parent support group. We had our first live meeting on Saturday. We want to have you speak at one of them at cup in South Tampa. We have like 65 people. The top thing on their mind was housing for their children, jobs for their kids as well. And different issues like that. Group homes and things that they can trust. What you're doing is top of mind for these folks. So I just wanted to highlight this. It may not be there for their loved ones tomorrow or a year from now, but this will give people encouragement that good people like yourself are working hard and trying. I just look forward to supporting in every way I can and just being support to you. Thank you. I would add that we are excited to hopefully work with all of our local partners. We just got back from the Florida housing coalition conference. There are a lot of unique opportunities for cities to be partnering with local nonprofits and development teams, whether bringing infill projects to life, larger projects like this. Creative ways to use the land so we're not continuing to build too far out. We'd love the community to have access to the same amenities that we're able to in the City of Tampa. If we can move that needle in the direction and provide a choice for families that doesn't currently exist, I think it could be -- really put Tampa on the map for being known for being that support system. And many, many families are impacted by this cause. Many fortune 500 companies have executives that have family members impacted by autism and disabilities. They are thinking, where am I going to be long term so my family member has the support long term?

Guido Maniscalco

9:26:55AM Thank you very much for the presentation. My step daughter -- I should stop saying step daughter and say daughter. 13 years old, severely autistic, is always going to need care. We have the conversation, my wife and I, what happens in the future. Put her in a group home? I want her to stay with us. But as she gets older, is she going to have opportunities like this? Where is she going to go? She won't be home all the time. I want her to have a life of fulfillment and a happy life like everybody else. So seeing projects like this especially here in Tampa, because my life lived in port charlotte. It was a struggle to get to the services she needed. She had to drive to sarasota. Sarasota was the closest place to her. Moving up here, Tampa is completely different. At the same time, this is part of a long-term plan of continuing to expand services for young people and families and making sure that Tampa is accessible to everybody. Somebody asked me this morning at a coffee shop, do you plan to be here until you die? I said, yeah. I even have my cemetery plot picked out. I said, yes, I plan to be here. Born, raised, educated, and dead.

Alan Clendenin

9:28:12AM Are you talking about here?

Guido Maniscalco

9:28:14AM Not in this building. [ laughter ] this is wonderful. I look forward to sharing this with my wife when I get home at 4 in the morning tomorrow after tonight's meeting and telling her about this presentation and what you're doing and what your team and all the people here. There is hope for the future. There are opportunities for tomorrow. Like Councilman Viera said, it may not happen tomorrow but we know that down the road, things are happening and continue expanding and servicing and serving families. We just want people to live a happy life like everybody else. That's it. Thank you very much. This is very impressive. Whatever I can do to support you, this is very exciting. Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

9:28:58AM Councilman Carlson and Councilwoman Hurtak.

Bill Carlson

9:29:02AM Thanks again for your leadership in lots of ways in the community. If you haven't, please talk to my legislative aide, dawsey. She is connected to the moms group in South Tampa that have kids that meet this criteria. She's very connected to all of them. Just like council member Viera's dad volunteering time, there are people that can volunteer time and money. You can get money from big organizations but there's so much grassroots of families that actually have kids with special needs and we need to make sure that we rally the community around it. Did you say the price of this -- I know it will change because it is a vision, but do you have any idea what the price is? Is there a website people can support it? The cost on it is estimated between 60 and $70 million for the total community. That is subject to change and is based off of the rendering. The housing component could change, the floors could change. Density could change. Really, the goal is to create that all-encompassing community model where you have housing within walkable services, within walkable retail, within opportunity and purpose.

Lynn Hurtak

9:30:21AM Thank you. I echo what others have said. I think this is phenomenal. For me in particular I really love the focus having the education there as a former teacher myself who really tended to work with students with special needs. Quite a few of the students I worked with were autistic, but knowing that folks have somewhere to go but it's on a campus that protects students. They don't have to go far for the services. We're seeing that in a lot of different areas. This is kind of just what we need. My question is, do you have land for this? The rendering is based off of a surface lot that I pass every day on the way to the current campus. We have reached out vigorously and continue to push. It is in the Sulphur Springs area. We envision that this community would complement a neighborhood, bringing jobs, bringing potentially solving a food desert crisis. Meeting the community where they need it. I'm hopeful that wherever we do end up there is no displacement for any lack of a better word. That surface lot is south of the dog track, behind Tampa health centers.

9:31:34AM Where is your current location? However, we service the entire community. Majority of students are Hillsborough county, City of Tampa. We do have a few families that travel from outside of the county because that is how far they are willing to go for their children.

9:31:55AM Thank you. I really appreciate you bringing this vision to us.

Alan Clendenin

9:31:58AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:32:00AM Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much for giving someone, all of them a hand up, instead of a hand down, push down. That shows the character of yourself and the team that wants to help everyone that has this unfortunate thing. Along with that, maybe some developers are listening to the debate this morning, conversation, I should say. Maybe they could come in and do their part and maybe help build something for a cost so everybody can have an upswing in life instead of a push-down. Thank you and your organization.

Alan Clendenin

9:32:33AM Mr. Clemens, I have a hard time saying that instead of Clayton because I've known you so long as a friend. I had the privilege of being invited up not too long ago to the campus and seeing the services and talking with the staff. I encourage my fellow councilpersons, if you haven't taken up that opportunity, it's worthy of going up there. It's interesting, watching this, so inspiring in what you're attempting to do. Some ways it makes me so angry that in 2025, in a just and relatively wealthy country, that we're still not providing the services for all citizens across the socioeconomic and with people who are challenged in disabilities, that we really should be stepping up and providing these types of programs for folks. I don't know if there is a family out there not touched in some way by someone who has some type of development issue or disability that can be assisted in these types of programs. These types of things, I really applaud you. I would never thought when we first met this would be something. Really been such a great advocate for. You've taken your amazing talent and seized such an important program to pursue and hopefully you'll see this through and we will have something that is very similar to your initial vision to service all the citizens of Hillsborough county. Thank you very much. Thank you, councilmen.

Guido Maniscalco

9:34:03AM If I may, point of personal privilege. I know it was mentioned at the end of the last meeting, and not everybody is watching at the end of the meeting. Condolences to the family of Andy hughes. You had mentioned it. We had just been notified. As a historian, as a member of this community, I want to offer my condolences to the family. It's all over social media. He's touched so many institutions, from USF to the Tampa theatre to the columbia to somebody that embodied and loved Tampa history. I want to let the family know we are thinking of them. That's it. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:34:46AM In the e-mail this morning, I sent what I proposed I'll do for new business today to address what's happening right now with the F.D.O.T. Memo. If you all would take a moment sometime today to look through that so we can have discussion during new business. Bring it to your attention if you haven't seen it yet. Thank you guys for coming. We'll move on to public comment. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

9:35:28AM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney, here to talk about the rules of decorum for the public comment for today's meeting. Members of the public are allowed a reasonable opportunity at the beginning of today's meeting to address any item on the agenda before the city takes official action on the item. A three-minute time limit applies to all speakers, providing public comment. If you are here to speak on public comment, please fill out a speaker card and place it in the box outside the commission -- the council chambers. One card per speaker. Each person submitting a card would be recognized by name by the chair to approach and speak. As I said, a three-minute time limit applies. Names that cannot be read will not be called. Please print legibly. If you are here to speak on an item set on the agenda as a public hearing, please don't fill out a card. Instead sign in on the sign-in sheet at the podium outside. Speakers and members of the public are also reminded that they are to refrain from disruptive behavior, including making vulgar or threatening remarks or making or causing disruptive noises or sounds or displaying signs or graphics. The Chair Will rule out of order any person who speaks without being recognized or attempts to address the council from outside the speaker area at the podium. Persons failing to comply with the City Council rules may also be ruled out of order and at the discretion of the chair may be removed from the chambers for the remainder of the day's meeting. Now, if you're here to speak on anything that is on the consent docket, the time to speak now is at the general public comment, same with staff reports. Finally, City Council members should refrain from engaging a speaker under public comment and the public should be aware that the City Council does not take questions or have a dialogue during general public comment. This is your opportunity to express your position. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:37:25AM Thank you, Mr. Shelby. We have one public speaker registered online. Michael randolph. Michael, are you on? My name is Michael randolph. Today I come representing the center for nonprofit community development. An entity that represent nonprofits throughout the nation. Over the last five months, I've been approached but emerging young leaders in Sulphur Springs and East Tampa. They want a powerful, consistent message. Deep desire to become change agents in the community. These young voices -- asking permission, they are ready to lead. East Tampa and Sulphur Springs may be among the poorest communities in Tampa. They are home to some of the brightest, smartest people I've met. These neighborhoods are rich in potential and especially among the young population. That's why we're providing a transformative training to the young leaders. It isn't an option. It's essential. Unlike the nonprofit leadership center in Tampa Bay, which uses a top-bottom approach, our approach builds change agents from the grounds up. We're talking about cultivating power. A new generation of leaders, from the black, for the black. Over the next 12 weeks, they will engage in hands-on training, designed real-world change. The curriculum covers housing, organizing, economic development, artificial intelligence empowerment and strategic deal making. The goal isn't just to join the system. It's to build a new one led by the community itself. The program doesn't prepare leaders to join a new led by the community itself. This program doesn't -- join the table it equips them to build a table. It isn't about change of existing system. It's about building a new one where the community creates the table, creates the agenda, and leads the transformation. Thank you. Sulphur Springs and East Tampa and new leaders coming up, thank you.

9:39:58AM Thank you, Mr. Randolph. First speaker is surgret doss followed by Jason marlow. I wasn't expecting to be first, but I appreciate the honor. We'll just wing this for what it is. It's interesting that a couple of weeks ago I was here and we talked -- surgret doss. You already said my name. Idea to make the deadline, my appendix for the appeal. Use a unique word, and people are up in arms. Even on the internet I get trolled by people who were a little bit taken aback by me using a particular phrase, which the barrel had on it. Cracker barrel and people lose their minds. I was wondering if I was right or wrong. That being said, I know these things open up with some sort of prayer or what have you. What baffles me, particularly in Tampa about that, I'm not here to judge what anybody's religious preference may or may not be. I'm pretty convinced that if the individual so many people here claim to follow, you would miss Again. We know what he looks like. I'm thinking, you know how rogue you have to be to steal Jesus, change his name, push it upon people and some reason not enough people stand up to the obvious mistruths that have been told for years. If I offend people, I probably mean to. Take it personally if it fits. I'm not just speaking about the racist white people. I'm talking about even some of you all who know what's going on and say nothing. Whether you are a sambo -- [ sounding gavel ]

9:42:03AM I'm sorry, I would ask you, if you could just not use the inflammatory type of racial. I don't think it is a good idea to normalize that type of language.

9:42:17AM In this council, This meeting, I don't think it's appropriate to normalize that. It's hurtful to people. I see older people that have fought against these types of words that hurt people. I appreciate your position on these things, but if you could choose your words. Been shown by this city. The guy you rehired -- give me my minute back -- the guy you rehired falsely accused of me of perjury. You rehired him. The second one up here that is an Attorney. This is not a Halloween costume. If you google me, you know what else come up. The second thing in the public record about me. Person who wasn't willing to fight, I have no issue if you did or didn't, wasn't willing to give this country a check up to your life, I think it's kind of insulting to talk about free speech. That's what it is. First amendment right. I think you might be wrong about that. I don't need to make that a legal issue right now. The reality is, there are a lot of things that go wrong and you all say nothing about it. We do need more uncle toms, another misnomer and less of the other people. Shout to the university of Thomas Jefferson high school, greatest institution of learning in this city.

9:43:52AM Thank you, sir. Again. I don't impede your first amendment rights. Mr. Marlow. I did not feel like being here today, but tallahassee is four hours away. F.D.O.T., my legislators, and the governor are not all assembled for me to admonish them so I am here instead. Take the moment to mention that I and stuff in my fridge are old enough to remember when tallahassee pretended to care about local autonomy or home rule. Somehow the party of small government somehow big enough to come into our neighborhoods and paint over murals and crosswalks that make it safer for families to go to and from school. The science and statistics are clear. Creative crosswalks reduce collisions. One of the crosswalks that was or will be unceremoniously painted over has likely already saved a life over its history. Pedestrian safety in a region that is one of the nation's deadliest places to traverse should be our priority. The crosswalk colors don't bite. They make our community better. I want to thank the City Council for its efforts to improve this issue, but I am here this morning to encourage this administration and City Council to seek all possible legal recourse to combat tallahassee's unprovoked acts of regression and seek creative means to continue investing in making Tampa safer for everyone to get around. Thank you very much.

9:45:17AM Thank you, Mr. Marlow. Michelle -- I'll murder your last name. Mastrototaro. Thank you, Councilman Maniscalco. The next speaker, bobby creighton.

9:45:33AM Good morning, Michelle. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. I am handing out what I feel we need to address. I am following up on August 11 night meeting that Mr. Miranda was very concerned, and he wanted to pass a motion. I'm just following up with that. Do you want me to read it? I am following up on our previous discussion regarding the wetlands and protected mangroves in the neighborhood. At the last meeting, Mr. Miranda raised concerns about the uprooting of protected mangroves for the purpose of obtaining incentives and proposed motions to address the issue. I would like to emphasize that approximately 23 acres mixed with wetland and mangroves were removed, which constitutes a violation of the yellow line land restrictions established due to the area's historic value. As you know, properties within the designated district are subject to strict guidelines regarding building height, design, materials, signage, landscaping, and environmental protection. These regulations are placed to preserve the district's character, mitigate flooding, protect surrounding residential communities despite the safe development in question proceeded in the manner and disregarded multiple requirements. The land was originally an ae flood zone. Now it's an x flood zone in restricted area when everybody else is grandfathered in at a certain level, this was built 15 feet up, blocked all the underground chambers that used to take on our wetlands and the mangroves to flush out back to the bay, it's gone now, and they were allowed to. The approved design showed greenspace, if you look in the picture, the first picture. It showed a very presented fair apartments. If you look page 3, it shows what exactly was done with one retention pond in the back. The first one shows many ponds. This development not only disregards environmental and historic safeguards, but also threatens the integrity of neighboring homes. Many of which, like mine, built in 1918 are part of a community historic fabric. I respectfully urge the council to support Mr. Miranda's --

9:49:05AM Thank you, Michelle. Time is up. Sorry. Bobby creighton followed by Tarah Bluma. Bobby, followed by Tarah. Bobby creighton. I'm here to speak on item 66. Had the opportunity to clarify one of the issues I had with that earlier this morning with Ms. Scharf regarding the outside counsel. So that's been cleared up in my mind. There were a couple of other items, though, within the updated ordinance that I think are a little unusual. One is that there's reference to an executive order for how lien settlements should be processed. I couldn't find anywhere else in the city code that references a specific executive order for how policy should be enacted. Seemed little unusual to have something like that inserted into the code when it should be in my mind spelled out as a policy so it can be amended by the policy makers and the policy adjustors, which is this body. So my recommendation would be if that comes up for discussion today, that those policies get spelled out. They are inserted into the code and that executive order that will have no reason to exist. The other item was the increased fines for knowing and willful demolition of historic structures. 20% of the property value before the structure comes down. I think that should be higher once a historic structure is demolished, it's not coming back. That is the heritage of the city. What makes Tampa, Tampa. And need to be preserving those places and set proportionate penalties for people who willingly destroy them. The repeat violator definition, they are updating that to align with state statute. Every single other local government that I've seen in the biggest cities in the state and in those counties where those cities are located use this statute. It's just the common practice in code. Finally updating that. The only reason it's different in Tampa is an accident of history. I support that. I think that about covers the Code Enforcement stuff. I won't be able to be here this evening to speak on the comprehensive plan topic, I'll go ahead and address that now. I hear a lot at the meetings at City Council during public comment about the need for density in East Tampa. There was a gentleman who came last week and described how he was trying to create a grocery store development. But because there was a lack of the clientele, wasn't the density to support it, were not able to get the businesses and uses that East Tampa deserves into those neighborhoods. So I would caution don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There are places in the city where it's sensible not to develop. Places prone to flooding where people's lives might be at risk. But there are other parts of the city that need the density in order for them to grow and thrive. We hear this phrase SMART development. It's a careful tightrope to walk. It is a balancing act, I know. But thank you for your consideration on how to walk that carefully so that everywhere can thrive. Thank you.

9:52:32AM Thank you, Sir. Tarah Bluma, followed by Pastor Williams. Tarah Bluma. I'm going to keep on that conversation topic that one size fits all solutions rarely work. Let's think about that when looking at the comprehensive plan. Number 69. I am tired of reimbursement resolutions. They keep blowing through the money, irresponsibly. Not necessarily in the amounts they said they would spend on particular items. Look at how many times in the presentation they said that they were going to spend money on fire. See how much money they actually spent on fire. Yet money spent and allocated. With that, I would not approve that in a large list format again. Let them ask for a reimbursement resolution per item that they want and then limit them to that amount and not let them raid the piggy bank for other projects they might like more. I am 100% against the ashley project, whether it's via CRA money or city money, we can't afford that right now. That is a want, not a need. Number 38, the hundred thousand dollar award to NAACP, that is not a donation. It is an agreement for services. And they were required to do a performance report of the last hundred thousand dollar that they received. I was not able to find that performance report anywhere. If it hasn't been presented, I think it's best practice when you're making an agreement for services that you follow up to see if those services were performed. And if it has been presented, let's put that in the agenda and make that readily available. On number 41, I am not aware -- wasn't able to find out if that money for ybor Block by Block is coming out of the CRA, but it seems like it should. Again, I would like more transparency on the agenda to see where is that money coming out of. Finally, on the parks lighting, I had to dig and ask lots of questions about that to find out what was going on there. I think there was an agreement that within 180 days of the resolution that you approved in 2024, that they would provide the construction costs for all eight of the parks. Today, you're only seeing the construction costs for three of them. Let's find out what the other five were. Let's get that presented so we know if they are in budget or will not budget out of the water as well.

9:55:30AM Pastor Williams. Good morning. Next speaker will be ashley morrow. Street, used to be. Took my church and gave it to some white people. I'm here to speak -- that you have on the agenda, I'm here to speak about belmont heights and jacksonville -- Jackson Heights. What you're doing here to us, people of color, taking our land and putting swamp holes in there, which is not right. So what we have to do, I can't wait -- Scott Thomas get that. He's going to get there, he told me -- hoping that when he get there, he do what's right for people and understand that we need people like him and the young man that just got through speaking. We're going through a lot of problems. Yesterday, somebody went and killed some innocent young people in school. That's ridiculous. You got time to do something like that why don't you try to help people. And that's what we need to do to help one another. That's what the lord told us to do, help one another. We don't want to help certain people, especially people of color. Got to understand, we are all here because god put us here. We'll continue to give god all the glory. I don't want no pat on the back. I want you to give god all the glory. Try to help one another. Do the right thing. Do the right thing so when Pastor Thomas Scott get there, which he'll get there, he'll have a handful. Filling those retention ponds, city dug holes and take our land. Give us our land back. Let us build a house that we want to build on and not to put what they want done. Build two-thirds. Thirds, build three stories. One story, regardless. Do what we want them to do and do the right thing for everybody. I guarantee you, god will bless all of you. Thank you for my comments.

9:58:32AM Thank you, pastor. Have a beautiful day. Ashley morrow, followed by James. Ashley morrow. I'll be sharing black history. We often think about the door of no return in Ghana, the place Mr. Slaves were forced to SHIPs for passage. Tampa carries its own version of that history. When the negro fort was destroyed in 1816 and Andrew Jackson did the trek across northern Florida 1818, as well as the treaty being created. That switched the territory from the spanish to u.s. territory. Then you have the moultrie creek treaty. Fort brooke created the next year, 1824. Andrew Jackson comes four years later. Enacts indian removal act of 1830 which ruled that the seminoles and black seminoles needed to come through Tampa, go to the port in Louisiana, new orleans, fort pike and up to Oklahoma to the reservation. The year after that, John winslett comes to Tampa and warned he should not go looking past Tampa, dangerous outside the borders. Looking for a black runaway slave from Georgia. Dade massacre. From fort brooke up to fort king, ocala area. They are massacred, all but two or three people. That happened in 1835. Obviously, they weren't going to lead a horde of black seminoles and seminoles back through Florida. A lot of history books I looked up, you see this arrow coming from Tampa up to Louisiana. When I was in school, I remember them talking about the trail of tears. I always thought it was a long walk. But the seminoles came through this place, fort brooke. That was not taught to me in school. I think that was very important. This is a photo that's very familiar. 1837. A lot of activity going on here around that time. Immigration camp. Tampa was an immigration camp. General jessup, writes a letter. The indian negro alarmed by their rival in camp of individuals who have lost their slaves during the war, most of them have fled. The seminoles did not want to leave unless their brothers could come with them, the black seminoles. So they made the deal. Names recorded on the documents. These are their names. These are their names. There's more, sorry. These are black seminoles. And they were taken to fort pike and some resold back into slavery. These are their names. These are their names, and these are their names. Two more. All right. Thank you.

10:02:01AM Thank you. I really enjoy your presentation.

10:02:05AM James adair followed by carroll ann Bennett. Mr. Internet Youtube star, James adair. Last time we were here, we talked about how do -- James adair. The agent who cares out of South Tampa, South of Gandy. We spoke about what do we do if people are blowing leafs into the drains, things like that. I don't know if people watch these things but I got a call from a neighbor off Rome, hey, this guy is dumping pool debris into a drain. I guess new construction. We worked with the city. Code Enforcement, they did go out. They verified, did issue a citation. That's good news. And followed up and found out that it all actually happened. That was good. One, maybe we can market that. Get back to my notes. So I had many but you have answered them along the way. Very helpful. I have a couple of awesome other ideas for you. Stormwater still a big deal. I know it is a little bit fatiguing for probably people who work in that department, especially being six days. But I thought that the loudest advocates probably need to have the best information. So that when we take podium time, it's informed instead of opinionated and uneducated. Why not do an intensive. A three-day, kind of like a leadership Tampa Bay but all about the stormwater. 15 people, maybe one City Council member, one person from the press that dives deep in each of the particular areas. On the agenda, you can see on the subsequent pages, just for the record, screen shot. Another one. Essentially, we've had engineering conversations, how do these things get passed. Basically the argument goes between the building department and actual stormwater engineering, we need to have time with each of those to explain things like greenspace, permeable material, stuff like that. Michelle's issue particularly, we get excited about it. Very large project. When you pull up the development map or the survey for it, I can't make heads or tails of what is or isn't a mangrove, for example. We need people educated in that to give us the play-by-play. I know stormwater has done a ton of town halls. But sitting through many of those, some of the same questions over and over again from some of the same people. It's not like we need a whodunit. We need education. Stephanie brought up staffing issues. Why on the list does it look like this when we say we only have 64. Probably easily explained. If we had time to sit down and have presentations, like what is outlined here, we dive deep in some of the biggest things and really start making differences in areas that actually matter. I'm really impressed with a lot of public comment, people able to dive in. I think that's fantastic. I think it's important if we can have something like this, obviously, connect with you on this, and then also smooth josh. I will say this, hurry, herbie. So helpful. Getting it done. Item 74 is that still happening?

10:05:55AM Staff is listening. Somebody will bite on this.

10:06:08AM Carroll ann Bennett followed by -- did Steve Michelini leave? I think he left. Is he still there? There he is. Carroll ann Bennett followed by Steve Michelini. My name is carroll ann Bennett. The staff said that the current comp plan, land use plan can accommodate the 74,000 people or 32,000 more units we need by 2045. They said they are making the changes so they could direct the growth into the right place. I'm a gardener. I know that fertilizer is expensive. If I look at a section of my garden and plants are going gangbusters, I don't put fertilizer there. I don't spread it all over the whole garden. If I do, the area already flourishing, if I spur it further, it will overgrow and actually end up dying. It's going to be unhealthy. I look for the stagnant areas of my garden and that's where I put my fertilizer. That's what we need to do. Go into the parts of the city and say add this here, add this here, add this here. Look at our garden so that the whole garden grows and is lush and beautiful. I sent you all an example of something in Seminole Heights which I think is the perfect way to do it. It is a very good example of how you add, add, add. I want to make the point that when I go into -- I'm an expert in my neighborhood. Lifelong resident of South Tampa. Want to know something about South Tampa, I'm your gal. When I go into other neighborhoods, I listen because I am not an expert in those neighborhoods. I don't know what they want and need, so I listen. I'm not so arrogant as to say I know what you need. When I go to North Tampa and they say this lot has been vacant this many years, this building vacant, please, how do we get redevelopment, when I go to district 5 and they say we need adus, duplexes, triplexes, multiunit. People like bobby creighton tell you what his neighborhood need, tell you what I'm hearing. You've got to talk to the bobbies and the people who live there because they are the experts, not me. I'm an expert on my neighborhood. They know their streets, their businesses, their intersections. They are legitimate. But I want to make a quick comment, there are some people who don't have a list of what their neighborhood wants and needs. They only have opinions about everybody else's neighborhoods. They only speak divisively, call people names and say the people are evil with evil motives. These people tend to have staggeringly inaccurate information. They are not asking for help with their neighborhoods. Do I not consider people like that legitimate. I hope you listen to the bobby creightons and the other people that live in the neighborhoods who know what is going on with this business, this intersection, this group of homes. Thank you very much.

10:09:10AM Thank you. Steve Michelini. Next speaker will be John green. I'm here to support item number 28 on your agenda. It's been pending for quite a while. I would like to thank Councilwoman Lynn Hurtak and her staff, kelly. This is a letter that I prepared in support of this budget amendment back in 2022. It outlines the playground and the need. This is the playground we're talking about. It's at the south himes facility for the Interbay YMCA. Parents usually end up shining their car lights on this basketball court to allow the neighborhood kids to play. This is not a league. This is pickup basketball games. Councilman Miranda may remember sherisha hills, who is now in North Carolina. I copied her on an e-mail telling her we finally got to the City Council. I want to show you a couple of pictures. This is on Bay Street, the block of 3800 Bay Street where the city just finished cleaning out the ditches there. They did a great job. The only thing is, in the 3900 block, and you can see down here is where they cleaned it out. This is the 3900 block where the stormwater inlet is. This is where they cleaned. This is where they didn't, and they stopped. There was a crew of six people that got out of a truck, and they proceeded to cut the weeds out of the 3800 block and didn't touch the next block. As we're going forward with maintenance of stormwater ditches and canals, it's really important that we focus on the maintenance before we start expending large amounts of money for capital projects. I would certainly suggest and I know there are many others that would say the same thing. Shift this money over to maintenance and hit it hard and hit it fast. We're getting ready to enter into the rainy season, potentially hurricane season, and there are a lot of areas that haven't even been touched yet. I will say they did a great job in the 3800 block, but all the water goes to the west of the 3900 block. Please consider that in your deliberations. Thank you very much.

10:11:46AM Thank you, Mr. Michelini. John green, followed by Bishop Michelle b. Patty. John green, here to speak on item 38. John green. Here to speak about the issues of the hundred thousand dollars going to or being considered going to the NAACP. Being that it is the countywide program, I feel that I can speak on it. I'm not here to oppose the grant, but I'm here to see how the city will be transparent holding this organization to the highest standard of accountability by making information available to the public. This is what you already have on your proposal, so we just want to know that. Number one, all attendance sheets so that names can be verified and locations of the work -- workshops in advance. Number two, what type of programs was provided and by whom with dates and days. Can the proposal be assessed there the City Council website for the public viewing? Three, can the public see all expenditures on how the hundred thousand dollars was spent and who signed off on the monies to be released. Number four, what salaries was paid and how? For example, stipends, salaries, 1099s. The public needs to know how the taxpayer monies are being utilized. With the shortage of low income housing, high rent, people having trouble getting funds to rebuild their lives due to hurricanes, the community, taxpayers deserve the right to have full access to the information and if requested, the opportunity to sit in on all trainings and workshops regardless of membership or not. Concerning 568, I'm quite sure you all know about the constitution. Amendment 14, subsection 4, we all know that it says you will not pay slaves or insurrectionists for anything. So in terms of 568, it's gas-lighting. It never had no teeth, and it was only for political reasons. Thank you.

10:14:09AM Thank you, sir. Bishop Michelle b. Patty. The next speaker, alison hewitt. My name is Bishop Michelle b. Patty. I'm here to speak on item 38. I'd first like to start off by saying I'm not opposed to the NAACP receiving a hundred thousand dollars, but I am concerned that they held the contract for over ten months and it was just signed on the 8th of this month. The 8th of this month and it ends this -- this fiscal year ends September 30 of '25. So how much work can be done and how much is going to be presented where the public can see what has taken place to receive that money. I'm asking that things be transparent. It says clearly that they have to outline each training session, dates, time, and total attendees. Client service, include the number of clients, business assistance, workshops and seminars conducted. There is a whole list of things that has to be accomplished before this $100,000 is given out. Also, supposed to be an audit. An audit. Under chapter 119.01, the community will be asking for public request about what was submitted to this city to receive this money, what work was done, because someone could simply take a phone book and write names down of attendees. We also want to make sure that the people that ran these workshops, that they had the professional background to run the workshop. So there are a lot of things, up this very suspect that they would hold that contract for ten months. Ten months. Sink in. Ten months. Now on the 8th of august and it's going to end on September the 30th, there's something wrong with that. There's something wrong. Are they going to try to bombard you all with receipts and information and it's not going to be properly vetted? That would be a disservice to the taxpayers of this city. So every piece of paper, every receipt, every name that is submitted should be vetted and make sure that these people was in attendance. Make sure that people receive the service. And also where is the proper notice that is supposedly, according to this contract given to the public that they would know these classes are being done? At the School Board, it tells them nobody is supposed to be on the property, so where are the classes held? There are a lot of things that the city need to take care of before they write a check for $100,000 to give to someone. Thank you.

10:17:17AM Thank you, diminish on. Candidate alison hewitt. Alison hewitt. Candidate for district 5. After consultation with Mr. Shelby, I have five items that I will be talking about, but I will reserve three for the public hearing and then one for the workshop. So the one I will focus on right now is coordination. The city, the CRA pays the city $5.2 million to manage the CRAs. You have items on your agenda, items 13 through 17 that are Code Enforcement issues. In the East Tampa CRP, community redevelopment plan, it states in there that the priority should be to work with property owners before they are fined, before the property is taken. I just want to make sure it's documented in the addresses that are on here that are in the East Tampa CRA, that the CRP was followed and make sure those property owners had an opportunity to know that they were in the CRA and have the access to resources to be able to address the issues. So I will bring back up here four more times to make sure. And in the packet that you have in front of you, I made sure I have the documentation and the pictures, but the other issues on which I'll speak about. Thank you.

10:18:49AM Thank you. Fernando followed by Sylvia smith. Fernando, going once, twice? Sylvia smith. Good morning. My name is Sylvia smith. Third generation South Tampa resident. I want to thank council for having the presentation at the five districts by the staff of the Hillsborough county Planning Commission and the City of Tampa. These meetings, I think, were well attended. I attended the meeting that was at madison elementary school, and I think it was well, close to 140 people there. So it was well attended. I want to thank the staff that did the presentation and inform those residents of the changes that will be made to the existing comprehensive plan that will affect their neighborhood. Some of these neighborhoods were founded 100 years ago, others post World War II. But they are neighborhoods that have rich heritage, and it will be at their expense that developers benefit by those changes. Thank you.

10:20:22AM Thank you very much. Charlie Adams. The next speaker will be, we'll get to her in one second. She's gone to one word like cher. Thank you all for this opportunity to speak. My name is Charlie Adams, representative of Sulphur Springs neighborhood association. Thank you, city Councilman Bill Carlson for coming out to visit. Councilwoman Hurtak --

10:20:58AM Can you speak up a little bit? Can you hear me now? Councilman Bill Carlson, thank you for coming out to visit Sulphur Springs community. Councilwoman Hurtak for coming out to our master plan hearing and Maniscalco -- Councilman Maniscalco, thank you for hopefully we can reschedule soon to come visit. A few pressing items I would like to mention this morning in regards to we spoke about it previously before in regards to Sulphur Springs pool. Like to keep that in the forefront. Also boardwalk that we spoke about briefly as well as us being a food desert in the Sulphur Springs community, hopefully we can bring some attention, allocate some resources to the farmers market and to create jobs, employment opportunities and hopefully we can keep Sulphur Springs a relevant topic with the city and hopefully you all can help us help us save ourselves. Thank you for your time.

10:22:04AM Thank you, Mr. Adams. Poynor. One word now, right? Why be excessive?

10:22:23AM Next speaker will be Robin Lockett. My name is Stephanie poynor. I'm asking for my budget -- for the budget committee first. We had a request in to speak to that.

10:23:02AM Why don't we hold that until after public comment and bring you up as budget -- I'll come back and get it. Works for me. Let's talk about my stuff. Good morning. Stephanie poynor, citizen of Tampa. There's too much going on right now. This is crazy all this stuff going on. I passed you a letter from the University Square folks. I noticed that they only sent it to Councilman Carlson, but I think it's very indicative of how important it is to make sure that the neighborhoods are giving feedback on the comp plan amendments. When I was digging through all my stuff and, of course, you know me, I make a mess out of everything, but I was looking at this. And this is gone from the new comp plan amendment, encouraging missing middle housing. As somebody who owns missing middle housing, it is a great way for small folks to provide housing at a reasonable price. I have folks in my missing middle that have been there seven or eight years. Only move to nursing homes or go and get married. I also wanted to note -- that was in the February 2025 plan that went to the Planning Commission in may. I also want to note that originally, the folks at the Planning Commission thought it was okay not to put that date on there, and they now put a date on there that says they can do it. I'm not against missing middle. I own two missing middle units. I mean, seriously. I think what happens is that people get all riled up because when we say duplexes or town houses, this is a single-family home. Here is the roofline for that single-family home. This is the duplex town house that they are putting in next door. I've been there in the morning. They don't even get sun until like noontime now because this monstrosity is here. So this is part of the problem. The thing about it is, when you're doing single-family attached, they no longer apply to the 50% rule. They have to do retention on-site. That way they get a nice little retention pond which ends up getting filled in later. Why would anybody want this next door to them? I don't blame anybody for screaming and hollering about it in the comp plan. I wanted to say I support bobby's opinions on Code Enforcement. I agree with Tarah Bluma. Where are the parks districts? I want to know where that money was spent that we dished out. I also want to say that I 100% support the funds that you as council delegated to the NAACP. The question I have is, why hasn't it gotten to them? That's FY '25's money. Why is it still sitting at the City of Tampa bank account? I can hypothesize on that. Thank you very much.

10:26:10AM Stay close. We only have two more speakers. Robin Lockett, followed by the last speaker will be connie burton. Robin Lockett. I first want to thank council for approving item number 28. Anything dealing with the yellow jackets and any type of improvement, I applaud. The second thing is, in regards to the comp plan, I have to think this out. There is a meeting this evening. There are meetings over the last month. I think any decision regarding the comp plan should be held off until you fill that seat. Because you don't have a black voice to speak for the community of East Tampa. You don't have a decision to make in regards to the budget because there is a deadline for that. The opportunity for whoever gets that seat, I think that they need to have input for that community. That's my thing on that. I have to comment on the comment about resolution 568. 568, the design of 568 was just a design. The teeth that was supposed to be provided or the teeth that will be provided regarding 568 is coming from the committee. That's for us to do, right? Louis designed it, created the resolution, but it's up for the committee members, the black committee members that sit in that -- that met and still will meet to provide that information, those teeth that the community wants. That's my thing on that. So thank you.

10:27:59AM Thank you, Ms. Lockett. Connie burton is our last speaker. Connie burton. I want to first appreciate the speaker that come up here weekly to give us an overview of history of our existence here in the City of Tampa. I really appreciate that. Item 13 through 17, it's the little things that the community continue to ask for. So while the city talks about the upkeep of those properties, have they gone to Code Enforcement, have they been taken away, we don't want to see those properties then come back and given to a huge development because we are watching. It is the little things that the residents of East Tampa have asked for that could be developed on those properties that we don't see happening. So I begin to hear myself as a broken record to say what about adus. What about container homes? What about duplexes? What is something that can be put on the lots that would be very affordable to the community? We are watching that. Item number 71 and 72, when I think about companies receiving such large contracts, then I often think about the office of second chance. How is any of those contracts tied to those -- or have they even been asked to look at ways in which some of our Returning Citizens, people with background challenges can be brought into the employment opportunity. Also, item number 38, reason why the NAACP is the oldest, boldest, baddest, discussed organization because we have a proven track record. We have a proven track record of doing just what the community need. We have a proven track record of even those that look like us standing up against those type of oppositions. I hope that you would be in full support of moving forward with the contract. The NAACP do not write the contract. The city do. We have a working relationship with the city and all of these back door noises that we constantly hear from individuals that do not -- do not come to a NAACP meeting is not even a member of the NAACP, I hope you put on sound earplugs against that foolishness and move forward. Thank you.

10:30:48AM Thank you, Ms. Burton. That concludes public comment. Without objection, we had a previous request from Stephanie poynor on the finance committee.

Lynn Hurtak

10:30:56AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

10:30:57AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from --

Lynn Hurtak

10:31:01AM The motion is to hear from our -- the vice-chair of the citizens budget review committee.

Alan Clendenin

10:31:06AM Correct. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Vice-chair Stephanie poynor. State your name. Stephanie poynor.

Bill Carlson

10:31:25AM Are you representing yourself or official opinion -- committee. As the vice-chair. The committee would like to request that City Council request transmission and presentation or an update on the progress on the following fee studies. One, land development code study. Two, construction services fee study. Three, mobility fee study. We request this of City Council in order to begin the process to update the fees charged by the city as so no longer supplement the cost of these services by tax dollars paid by the citizens of the city. While many of these fees may not be raised to the actual cost of the city, they can be raised to allow additional funding for things that can help all citizens. Stormwater, roads, road repairs, affordable housing, and just for single-family homes alone, I wanted to show this to you because we do have the mobility study. First of all it says in there that in 2021, the legislation says that we can only increase the impact fee study, the impact fees by 50% of the time, unless we have an overwhelming majority and we have to have public hearings. I thought that was kind of interesting. I just pulled for single-family homes, I'm not going to get down and dirty about the rest of it. But just for single-family homes alone, if we only raised to the adjustment for inflation rate, this rate hasn't been raised since 1989. If we just raised it to the cost it should be from inflation, we have lost out since 2024 -- I use that because I know that the first draft of this policy came out in September of 2023. We lost $4.1 million that we could have had for mobility. That's only for single-family homes. You see we've got this beautiful little chart here that has all the other development fees. Why? It's been said in the budget meeting on multiple occasions by higher level staff that bob buckhorn was very -- very -- I'm sorry. I got off track. This is why I wrote a speech. Sorry, I won't say anything else.

Alan Clendenin

10:33:52AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:33:57AM I don't know if I saw I think Mr. Vaske come in.

10:34:04AM Is this something that you can update us on very briefly, if at all, about the circumstances of these fee studies because we have asked. I'm not prepared to know exactly where we are at with them. I think imminently reasonable for the committee that you guys request this information.

10:34:27AM You're in the room. I thought I would ask. I appreciate it. Ms. Poynor, the citizens budget review committee is looking for this data. Do they have a requested timeline for the data? It's my understanding that the mobility study is finished. When we asked, when we made the motion initially we asked for all three studies to be put forward and staff said that they may not be completed. They may not all be completed. But we could at least find out we're in the process. We've had the 600 page fee assessment for two years now. And not one fee in the city has been raised since then with the exception of the sidewalk funds which were on that list. To my knowledge, I don't think anything else has been raised. We have to start moving somewhere of stopping citizens' tax dollars paying and supplementing other people's homes. I shouldn't have to pay for somebody else's new house.

Alan Clendenin

10:35:30AM It sounds like someone should take --

Lynn Hurtak

10:35:35AM I'll work on this to make a motion. I suppose -- chair, do you mind if I do it now?

Alan Clendenin

10:35:44AM You want to work on it, new business --

Lynn Hurtak

10:35:48AM I don't think we'll have a break before new business.

Alan Clendenin

10:35:50AM You're ready to do it? Anybody object? Without objection, go.

Lynn Hurtak

10:35:57AM This is from the citizens budget review committee. I agree and I believe -- I'll find out if others do as well. We have talked about this in the past. So the committee -- actually, yeah. Let me hold off on it so I can have kelly reach out. There she is. She knows me better than I know myself. We'll work on some timing and I'll come back at the end of -- at new business to find out a time frame for getting these reports. Thank you for bringing this forward. I do have one other comment that I would like you to bring back to the committee itself. It sounds like -- maybe it might be nice from time to time if you do come or if someone, either Mr. Scaglione or yourself, because I know he's chair, to come and speak occasionally on the updates, maybe a five-minute update on what you're doing and how we can all help. I know you can talk to each of us individually because you are my appointee, so appointees can talk individually. Maybe it might be nice to hear overall from time to time when you feel like you have something to share with us. Hate to make it a monthly thing and then waste time, but as needed, let us know so that you can have this time. I think this was a good idea.

Alan Clendenin

10:37:20AM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

10:37:23AM No, please. Budget committee meetings, because we get super in-depth presentations from the departments. We'll sit there for two or three hours getting what you guys are getting in a condensed version in 15, 20 minutes, we're getting for two or three hours and it will make the hair stand up on the back of your neck to see what we're getting from staff. They really do a great job presenting to us. I'm sure we can have a discussion about that at the next meeting, during a periodic presentation.

10:37:59AM Just a reminder to council and to the public, your committee is meeting tomorrow at 3:00, which is the time set up because it is the last opportunity for you to meet before the budget presentation next Wednesday. So they are meeting at 3:00 tomorrow in the sister cities room.

Alan Clendenin

10:38:18AM Thank you. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:38:22AM I don't know about the status of these reports, but some reports end up taking years even for us to get back. Had we had draft versions earlier, we could have made decisions to intervene. An example is the mobility study that took like four years. What I would recommend is in your motion that you ask for drafts of whatever reports are in partial completion because there may be analysis or conclusions that would be helpful as we're going through the project process and looking at this.

Alan Clendenin

10:38:54AM Very good. Thank you so much. We'll go to the consent agenda, public safety. Councilman Viera. Items 3-12.

Luis Viera

10:39:04AM I move said items, 3-12.

Alan Clendenin

10:39:06AM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Neighborhood community affairs committee, Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:39:16AM Yes. I wanted to address 13 through 16 or 17 just to say that there is no land being taken in any of these. These are simply liens placed on properties for people who are not doing the work that they needed to have done. There is no taking of any land. I wanted to make sure people understood that. I move items 13 through 25.

Alan Clendenin

10:39:39AM Thank you. We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have IT. Infrastructure committee, Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

10:39:49AM Move items 26 through 34.

Alan Clendenin

10:39:52AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Finance committee, Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:40:01AM Move 35 through 39.

Alan Clendenin

10:40:03AM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Development and economic opportunity committee, Councilman Carlson, 40 through 47.

Bill Carlson

10:40:17AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

10:40:18AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Ayes have it. I need a motion to set public hearings.

10:40:28AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Ayes have it unanimously. Mr. Shelby, you had something to say.

Martin Shelby

10:40:38AM Yes, by my count, with regard to the items on staff reports, without staff, I have items 70, 71, 72, 73, I believe, if that's correct, you can move those.

Lynn Hurtak

10:40:50AM So moved, 71, 72, 73 and 75.

Martin Shelby

10:41:01AM I have 70 to 73.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:03AM I thought we agreed -- Councilman Carlson had wanted to approve 75.

Martin Shelby

10:41:10AM Receive and file.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:12AM That's what I meant. Item 70 through 73, approve the resolutions.

Alan Clendenin

10:41:19AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:25AM Move to receive and file 75, 78, 79, 80, 81.

Alan Clendenin

10:41:38AM We did the written ones. We just need 75. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco to receive and file 75. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:50AM I move to open the 10 a.m. public hearings.

Alan Clendenin

10:41:56AM Open 10 a.m. --

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:57AM And 10:30 public hearings.

Alan Clendenin

10:42:03AM We have a motion to open the 10 and 10:30 public hearings. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Item number 50 is non-quasi-judicial. Do we have anybody from staff? We can hear you. We can't see you. There you are and now you are gone. People come and go so quickly around here.

10:42:43AM Good morning. We can hear you. Go ahead. Emily Phelan, Planning Commission staff. Item 50 is ta/cpa 25-01 located at bay to 3606 West Bay Boulevard. The request was to go from residential 10 to residential 20. You voted on this on your July 31st, 2025 meeting. I'm available if you have any questions.

10:43:07AM Does council have any questions? No questions. Is the applicant in the audience to speak to the item? Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Councilman Carlson, would you like to read this, please? All those in favor? Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:43:35AM Move items 50, file ta/cpa 25-01, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, future land use element, future land use map, for the property located at bay to 3606 West Bay Boulevard from residential 10, r-10, to residential 20, r-20, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:43:59AM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:44:10AM Motion carried with Miranda voting no and Viera absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:44:13AM Thank you. The rest of the public hearings are quasi-judicial and require anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to these items to be sworn in. If you are here to testify on any of the following hearings, please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in by the clerk. [Oath administered]

10:44:39AM Thank you very much. Item 51, Mr. Thomas.

Samuel Thomas

10:44:42AM Good morning, council. Sam Thomas, Development Coordination. Agenda item 51, rez 25-37. The item is a request to rezone the property located at 4911 east 10th avenue. Request is to rezone from residential multifamily 16 to residential multifamily 24. I'm available if there are any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:44:59AM Council have any questions? Is there an applicant? Anybody in the audience wishing to speak to this item? We have somebody online. Applicant's representative. Very good.

10:45:22AM Anything you would like to add? I'm just here to see if there are any questions.

10:45:30AM Very good. Does council have questions for the applicant? Once again, anybody from the audience who wishes to speak to this item?

10:45:38AM We have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye? Opposed? Ayes have it. It's closed.

Lynn Hurtak

10:45:49AM Item 51, file rez 25-37, an ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4911 east 10th avenue, in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1, from zoning district classifications rm-16 (residential, multifamily) to rm-24 (residential, multifamily); providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:46:14AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:46:22AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:46:26AM Thank you. Going on to 52. Staff?

Samuel Thomas

10:46:34AM Sam Thomas, Development Coordination. Agenda item 52 is rez 25-43. The item is a rezoning request for the property located at 4904 West Paul Avenue and folio number 131,914.00000, the request is to rezone from commercial intensive to Planned Development for residential single-family attached. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. Revisions completed included the council directed revisions of updating the schematic to match colorized renderings submitted during public hearing, including the colorized renderings in site plan package and a note to the site plan to make the schematic elevations binding. I'm available if there are any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:47:15AM Council have any questions? Applicant?

Steve Michelini

10:47:18AM I'm here to answer any questions. Steve Michelini, representing the petitioner. Be happy to answer anything you might ask me about this.

Alan Clendenin

10:47:29AM Thank you for making the modifications as requested by council. Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to the item? Motion to close? Councilman Maniscalco, second Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

10:47:43AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4904 West Paul Avenue and folio 131914-0000, in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CI managers intensive to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family, attached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:48:05AM Motion from Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:48:12AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Steve Michelini

10:48:17AM Thank you, council.

Alan Clendenin

10:48:18AM Thank you. Item 53.

Samuel Thomas

10:48:20AM Agenda item 53 is rez 25-46. Rezoning request for property located at 1901 West Platt Street, 211 and 213 South Fremont Avenue. Request is to rezone from commercial general and residential multifamily 16 to Planned Development for residential, single-family, attached. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. Revisions completed including the council directed revisions of removing 9 by 18 and site data table for parking, updating setbacks to ensure first floor is stepped back and adding a note to the site plan to make the schematic elevations binding. I'm available if there are any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:49:01AM Council have any questions? Is there an applicant? Anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to this item? Item 53 motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:49:16AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. File 53, rez 25-46, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 1901 West Platt Street and 211 and 213 South Fremont Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CG commercial general and rm-16 residential, multifamily, to PD, Planned Development, residential, single-family, attached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:49:43AM Please record your vote. Motion from Councilman Miranda and second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:49:55AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:00AM Thank you. Item 54.

Samuel Thomas

10:50:01AM Sam Thomas, Development Coordination. Agenda item 54 is rez-25-52. The item is a rezoning request for the property located at 2801 North Tampa Street. The request is to rezone from commercial neighborhood to Planned Development for residential, single-family, semi detached and attached. Revisions completed and certified plans submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available if there are questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:24AM Council have questions? Applicant?

Steve Michelini

10:50:26AM Steve Michelini representing the petitioner. Happy to answer any questions and respectfully requesting your approval.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:32AM Thank you. Anybody in the audience who wishes to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:50:42AM Move item 54. File number rez-25-52, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2801 North Tampa Street in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CN, commercial neighborhood, to PD, Planned Development, residential, single-family, attached and semi detached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:51:08AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:51:16AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:51:20AM Item number 55.

Samuel Thomas

10:51:23AM Sam Thomas, Development Coordination. Agenda item 55 is rez-25-55, the item is a rezoning request for the property located at 2318 West North B Street. The request is to rezone from residential multifamily 16 to Planned Development for residential single-family semi detached. Revisions completed and certified plans submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available if there are questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:51:45AM Any questions?

Steve Michelini

10:51:46AM Steve Michelini representing the petitioner. Respectfully requesting your approval. I should note that the resolution regarding the bonus. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:51:58AM Council have questions? Anybody from the public who wishes to speak to item 55?

10:52:01AM Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Councilwoman Hurtak, would you read -- all those in favor, aye. Opposed, ayes have it. Thank you. It is closed. Read the resolution --

Lynn Hurtak

10:52:18AM I'll read the ordinance and then do the resolution, yes. Number 55, file rez 25-55, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2318 West North B Street, in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification, RM 16, residential multifamily, to PD, Planned Development, residential, single-family, semi detached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:52:47AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:52:56AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Lynn Hurtak

10:52:59AM Now I move the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

10:53:01AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously. Thank you. Item number 56.

Leo Debardeleben

10:53:17AM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Can you see me.

Alan Clendenin

10:53:21AM Yes, we've got you.

Leo Debardeleben

10:53:23AM I've been sworn. Item 56 is ab2-25-04, for the property located at 1301 West Cass Street. The request is for alcoholic beverage sales, bar/lounge classification, beer and wine, consumption on premises and package sales off-premises consumption. Site plan modifications were required to be made between first and second readings. Those changes have been made. The plans have been certified, and a copy has been provided to the clerk. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:53:49AM Council have any questions? I'm here to answer any questions if there are any. I'm requesting approval.

10:53:59AM Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to item 56? We have a motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

10:54:14AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcoholic beverages, bar/lounge, consumption on premises and package sales/off premises consumptions and making lawful the sale of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land, located at 1301 West Cass Street, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:35AM We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:54:44AM Motion carried unanimously with Viera being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:48AM We have a substitute resolution for item 57. Staff.

Leo Debardeleben

10:54:53AM Leo Debardeleben again with Development Coordination. Item 57 is ab 2-25-11. Staff is actually going to respectfully request that the second reading of this item be continued to the next regular City Council session, which would be September 4, 2025. An issue with the site plan was recently identified and requires correction prior to further consideration. The applicant was originally Planning to participate remotely. However I have communicated this request with the applicant and he is in agreement with the continuance.

Lynn Hurtak

10:55:32AM I move that we continue file ab 2-25-11 to the September 4th, 2025, meeting At 10:30 -- 10:00 a.m. at old city hall, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602, third floor.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:57AM We have a motion to continue from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed. The ayes have it. Thank you very much. We are moving on to 10:30 a.m. petitions.

Justin Vaske

10:56:16AM Justin Vaske, Legal Department. Here for 58, 59, 60. The resolutions pursuant to these items must be approved during the hearing. First of all, item 58, requesting approval of a resolution to adopt the non-ad valorem assessment roll for non-ad valorem assessment within the downtown Ybor City area of the City of Tampa for the purpose of paying a portion of the operating cost of the Tampa, ybor historic electric streetcar project during fiscal year 2026. There has been no increase in the rate or expansion of the district. So it's the same as it has been. The city has received written objections and those have been filed with the city clerk. Michael english is here to answer any questions. And that is all.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:08AM Thank you. Does council have any questions on item 58?

Justin Vaske

10:57:12AM We have to open the hearing and approve --

Alan Clendenin

10:57:15AM We previously opened all the hearings.

Martin Shelby

10:57:17AM For the purposes of the record -- Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. For the purposes of the record, we have already opened it. Would you like us to open individually?

Justin Vaske

10:57:31AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

10:57:32AM Motion to open number 58.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:34AM Motion to open the public hearing for item 58 from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Item 58.

10:57:47AM Do you have anything to add? Michael english. Chair of the streetcar board. Always a pleasure to see you all. We would appreciate your continued support for the special assessment.

Charlie Miranda

10:58:04AM Haven't you been a member since the beginning? A member of the district for the streetcar and all that? Before we opened the streetcar in 2002.

10:58:18AM I want to thank you for your services.

Alan Clendenin

10:58:20AM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

10:58:22AM No, no.

Alan Clendenin

10:58:23AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:58:24AM Thank you for your service and leadership on this. Mr. Vaske, thank you for saying that it is not an increase. But could you on each of these maybe just express not only that there is not an increase, but also maybe how long they have been around and that they are not new. Every year we get e-mails from people thinking it is a new tax or a new fee --

10:58:49AM No, Mr. Vaske. Just so the public knows. Some people think they are new or increases. State that for the record, if you don't mind, for each of these.

Alan Clendenin

10:58:59AM Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to item 58? We have somebody coming up. Scoot aside. You can sit down now. Thank you. My name is corel casianov. I am a property owner in downtown Tampa. I'm here to object this proposed non-ad valorem. One of the things that I've noticed is that there are proven revenue models for streetcars all across the united states. For example, san francisco takes in $30 million annually. And that's a $3 fare for the historic streetcar. New orleans, 10 million annual, 1.25 per ride. Portland, 1 million in fares revenue, 2.50 for two and a half hours. What I would like to request the council to look at are alternative solutions to this versus taxing people in downtown and ybor. I think there is an opportunity to implement a reasonable fare structure and then you can keep it free for Florida residents as we have a lot of tourists that come into town. Another option would be to create a different pricing model or just seek alternative grants or public service offerings. Thanks.

11:00:21AM Thank you very much. Mr. Vaske, clarification which properties are actually covered by this?

11:00:32AM The types of properties that are covered by the non-ad valorem?

Justin Vaske

11:00:35AM Yeah. It would be --

Alan Clendenin

11:00:40AM Morris may have more information.

Morris Massey

11:00:44AM The assessment applies to commercial property. At this point in time, homesteaded residential property is not subject to the assessment.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:51AM That was the clarification. I don't know if you're aware -- Morris Massey, would you state your name?

Morris Massey

11:00:57AM Morris Massey, Legal Department.

Alan Clendenin

11:01:00AM For the purposes of public comment, ad valorem does not affect residential property. Only commercial property. Just fyi. Residential property is not covered under this particular item.

11:01:18AM That completes staff's presentation. Anybody from the public wishes to speak to this item?

11:01:27AM Sure. Go ahead. My name is corel, property owner in downtown. You're saying this assessment and tax essentially doesn't affect residential property owners?

11:01:42AM Correct. Under the current operation of the streetcar when this was first created it only applied to commercial properties. This is just a continuation of what's been happening since the beginning of the streetcar. It does not apply to residential properties. Extra tax related to this.

11:02:04AM Let me get clarification on that. I'm not sure.

Morris Massey

11:02:07AM If it's not homesteaded, it may apply to that because it is being used for a kind of commercial purpose. Because I rent out a condo downtown. This condo that's being affected. And it's a long-term rental. It's not a short-term airbnb. That's why I think it's unfair for folks in my situation to pay this if it is stated as a commercial tax.

Alan Clendenin

11:02:34AM Just want to make sure we have the right information out there. Thank you very much. We're not going to close this. We need somebody to read the resolution.

Bill Carlson

11:02:49AM Mr. Vaske or Mr. Morris, could one of you say approximately how long this fee has been around?

11:03:02AM We're going to be in the 26th year of it or 25th year of it.

11:03:09AM Move the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

11:03:10AM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson to move the resolution. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion to close the public hearing. Motion to close the public hearing. Now a motion to reopen -- we have a motion to close the public hearing. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it. Motion to reopen the public hearing for 59. Motion to reopen public hearing from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Carlson. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it.

Justin Vaske

11:03:42AM Justin Vaske, Legal Department. Item 59 on the agenda, we're requesting the approval of a resolution to adopt the non-ad valorem assessment roll for non-ad valorem assessment within the Westshore business district of the City of Tampa for the purpose of paying for the provision of certain enhanced services and improvements in the said area during the 2026 fiscal year, including transportation improvements, marketing, security services for said area. There have been no increases in the assessment amount or expansion of the district. I believe this district was created in 2003, and there's been no changes obviously on this roll. No written objections submitted. Michael marino is here to answer any questions on this item. He is the executive director of the Westshore alliance.

Alan Clendenin

11:04:36AM Thank you. Michael. Michael marino, executive Director Westshore alliance. As mentioned by Justin, there's no change overall, but there are additions to the work plan. We're adding more public art into the Westshore district. Also working on relandscaping, especially Westshore Boulevard. That may come to you at some point. The medians on Westshore Boulevard owned by the city, the rest of the road owned by the county. When the county finishes their work in the next six to nine months, that's when we'll work with city parks to make sure the landscaping on Westshore Boulevard meets the standard that we want to see going forward on Westshore. That may come to you as a triparty agreement, but nonetheless we really appreciate your support and continue looking forward to work with you to transform Westshore district.

Martin Shelby

11:05:27AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Vaske, unlike number 58, number 59 and 60 have two resolutions associated with each. One is the -- for the assessment roll, non-ad valorem assessment roll and the special services assessment agreement. Would they vote separately on each resolution?

Justin Vaske

11:05:45AM Yes, please.

Alan Clendenin

11:05:46AM Council have any further questions? Anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to item 59? Stephanie poynor. I'm all for the Westshore special assessment. I think they should be treated differently than the rest of the chha because they have a different mode of how they do business and what their building patterns are and the businesses that are there. So they should be treated differently in the comprehensive plan, which is what this gentleman has asked for previously. I'm okay with that because they can evacuate from all the way around them, unlike where I live.

11:06:32AM Thank you. Anybody else wish to speak to this item? We're not going to close it. I need a motion to move the first resolution.

Lynn Hurtak

11:06:41AM Move the non-ad valorem assessment resolution.

Alan Clendenin

11:06:44AM Motion to move the non-ad valorem assessment from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimous. Motion to move --

Lynn Hurtak

11:06:57AM Special assessment services agreement.

Alan Clendenin

11:06:59AM Motion to approve the -- move the special assessment service agreement from Maniscalco, second from Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it unanimously. Motion to close the public hearing. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. I need a motion to reopen public hearing for item 60. Hurtak, second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. The hearing is open.

Justin Vaske

11:07:33AM Legal Department. I'm here for item number 60 on the agenda. Requesting the approval of a resolution to adopt the non-ad valorem assessment role for the non-ad valorem assessment within the Downtown Special Services District of the City of Tampa for the purpose of paying for the provision of certain enhanced services in said area during the 2026 fiscal year, including, but not limiting to marketing, business development safety, maintenance, transportation, and Planning, beautification and urban design. We are also seeking approval of downtown special services agreement between the City of Tampa and the Downtown Partnership regarding the use of the non-ad valorem assessment within the Downtown Special Services District. This district was established in 1997. There's been no expansion this year, and there's no increase in the assessment amount this year. Kenyatta bridges, CEO and president of Downtown Partnership, is here to answer any questions. And we have received objections to the imposition of the special assessment. The clerk has those objections on file. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:33AM Thank you. Staff have any questions? Ms. Bridges, would you like to say anything? I would like to thank this council. I'm kenyatta bridges, president and CEO of the Tampa Downtown Partnership. I would like to thank this council for your confidence in the partnership to manage the special services district for nearly 30 years. Over the last fiscal year, our clean and safe team has collected over 350 tons of litter and debris in the public right-of-ways. Also corrected 800 acts of graffiti and assisted with 156 stranded motorists. In addition, through unhoused liaison services, we have made contact with over 634 of our unhoused residents in downtown to connect them with resources. And that has led to eight instances of housing placements for unhoused program. In addition to our clean and safe program, the partnership -- beyond the clean and safe program, the partnership continues to celebrate the arts and lift up artists and our local artists. We have now installed six murals across downtown, which we're really proud of as it further energizes and beautifies the downtown area. Additional, currently leading a Planning study for 300 acres in the north downtown area to look at that area, to see if there are opportunities to increase density in housing, density in workforce, as well as activate more retail. I would like to thank you again for your confidence in the partnership. I'm here to answer any questions you may have.

11:10:13AM Any questions? Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to this item? Very good. I need a motion -- I'd like to ask more questions and have the council review the language of the assessment, specifically there's vague terminology listed in here such as including but not limited to. I think the public needs more accessible information on specific fund allocation between the city and Tampa Downtown Partnership, as well as the measurable outcomes and key metrics of what good looks like. For example, they provide metrics on dash but what are the goals of ridership that we're looking to hit? And is it necessary when we have other transportation methods within the City of Tampa. Additionally, I think there might be some duplication of efforts between safety and the Tampa Downtown Partnership that are already covered by the city. I would just like to get a little bit more information on are we duplicating efforts? Is there room to consolidate, that these assessments -- even if they are staying the same, can they decrease? The last comment I would like to make on this is that while I appreciate a lot of the efforts to keep the city beautiful, the term beautification itself is pretty vague. I would like to understand what the Tampa Downtown Partnership is doing to drive more economic development into the city, because I don't believe we actually attracted a lot of the major employers across the united states to come into the City of Tampa. I would like more information on that and like the council to take a look at it. Thanks.

11:12:07AM Thank you very much. I need a motion to move the first resolution, please.

Lynn Hurtak

11:12:14AM Motion to move the resolution adopting the non-ad valorem assessment roll for a non-ad valorem assessment, Downtown Special Services District.

Alan Clendenin

11:12:24AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Need a motion to approve the downtown special assessment service agreement.

Lynn Hurtak

11:12:34AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

11:12:35AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

11:12:44AM Motion to close.

Alan Clendenin

11:12:46AM There are a lot of public meetings on the items. All the issues you brought up are issues that Ms. Bridges and I have addressed and discussed. A lot of the issues currently being discussed. I would definitely encourage to you attend some of the public hearings we have within the Downtown Partnership and the public meetings we hold. A lot of those things you just talked about are addressed.

Bill Carlson

11:13:11AM Also, while kenyatta is here, you might want to trade cards. People who are involved in downtown ideally would be involved in the Downtown Partnership as well. After you have conversations and ideas, contact us. Downtown Partnership has a lot of data which they have shared with us. If there is a way to make it more transparent, I would be happy to support that as well. It would be good to get everybody involved in downtown involved in making it better. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:13:40AM We need -- motion to close this particular public hearing because then we'll move back into the 10:30 public hearings. Motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Miranda. All those in favor aye. Unanimous. Passed unanimous. Motion to reopen 10:30 public hearings, please. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item 61.

Morris Massey

11:14:10AM Morris Massey, Legal Department. This is the first of three public hearings this morning on amendment and restatements to community redevelopment plans. The first one is for the central park community redevelopment area. I believe you all have heard this in your capacity as the CRA Board. It's also been heard by the CAC for the central park CRA area and by the Planning Commission. Cedric McCray, Courtney Orr and others from CRA Staff are here if you have questions.

Lynn Hurtak

11:14:38AM I have a question for Mr. Massey first. There has been -- we've heard comments from the public that there's concern about this being attached to the comp plan. From my understanding, the comp plan, the language about the comp plan meaning whatever comp plan is in place. Am I correct?

Morris Massey

11:15:02AM Correct. State law mandates that whenever you amend your community redevelopment plan, it has to be reviewed by the Planning Commission to ensure that it is consistent with the existing comp plan that's in place. It's not changing the comp plan at all. Like your rezoning petitions, they have to review it to see if it is consistent with the existing comp plan. That is the purpose.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:26AM We are still quite a ways away from approval of a new comp plan.

Morris Massey

11:15:30AM Yes, ma'am.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:33AM Cedric, would you like to say anything?

Cedric McCray

11:15:37AM Cedric McCray, Tampa CRA director. Just wanted to support what Attorney Massey has said. We are here to request approval of items 61, 62, 63 related to the community redevelopment plan updates for central park, Tampa Heights riverfront and downtown CRAs.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:57AM Can we move these together or have to be individual?

Morris Massey

11:16:04AM They are scheduled for separate public hearings. I would hear them sequentially and separate votes.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:10AM Anybody in the public who wishes to speak on item 61, reference the central park community redevelopment area? District 5. Usually I will be up here for the East Tampa CRP and a significant amount of my comments will be because of the East Tampa CRP. Community redevelopment plan is how the CRA is supposed to be developed. So if we are not following the plan or at least in this update that you have an actual report on how the plan was followed, if it was followed, if it was done correctly, if it was successful, then how do we know that this new update is going in the right direction? I am just asking that we make sure because we have limited time and we need to make sure that we're successful, that we require a summary of how the plan was followed and accomplishments. We include going forward an implementation of tracking to make sure that we're following the plan and tax dollars and TIF dollars are spent according to the CRP, because you'll get projects that says it is addressed and included in the CRP. But is that project, will it seed other developments to grow? Example, East Tampa, you just recently approved 3.5 million for mixed use and then 5 million for the JC Newman. Now what does that impact for the plan that will seed additional development. We need to make sure that we are deliberate and thoughtful as we are approving these projects. The stakeholder and engagement of the plan, it was significant when these plans were created. These updates, to be able to have the community engage and speak to, again, what has been done for the last 20 or so years, was it successful? Should we continue that? And to be able to justify what the new changes are if it's going in a new direction? Because there is not even an explanation to you as a CRA Board on what the actual changes are and updates to the plan. You just have a plan. The outlook really good. After 20 years or so, you should have at least a road map of where you have been to make sure you know where you are going. I'm asking that as we are moving forward with other community development plans that would come before you, especially the ones who are primary -- for families and residential, like East Tampa, a significant portion for West Tampa, that we're being thoughtful and deliberate to make sure these plans are being implemented according to what it was originally done and how does that impact where these new plans are going. Thank you.

11:19:19AM Thank you. Anybody else in the public who wishes to speak to item 61? Mr. Massey, would you like to add something?

Morris Massey

11:19:29AM Morris Massey, Legal Department. I want to address a couple of things that Ms. Hewitt brought up. All of the plan updates before you do have a very detailed description about what the status of the redevelopment efforts are. And those areas. A lot of the reason why the plans are updated is because of the age of the plans. They are over 20 years old. Case of downtown, it's over 40 years old. Also the goals and policies of the CRA Board have adjusted over time where you all have much more concern about affordable housing. All the plans are being updated to address that in more concrete terms. As you all are aware, anytime a project or a funding proposal comes before you all, part of what staff has to do and what you have to consider as CRA Board is whether it is consistent with and furthers the individual plan.

Alan Clendenin

11:20:19AM Thank you very much. Councilman Carlson, did you have a question?

Bill Carlson

11:20:22AM Ask Mr. McCray, so, first of all, to what Mr. Massey was saying, we as a CRA Board several years ago asked for these. Then I think we asked them again at some point. The reason these plans are updated, the community wanted it, we as CRA Board wanted it and then staff went through the process. My only question for the sake of the community, for each of these, can you tell us what the CAC vote was? Do you remember or approximate? Was it unanimous or 60%? What was the support on the CAC about it and were there any concerns?

Cedric McCray

11:21:01AM Yes, extensive engagement via online surveys. The consultants for each of those respective CRAs attended engagement meetings, visioning sessions and I believe met with you all individually as board members for the specific purpose of building out those community redevelopment plans. It is my understanding that the vote was an affirmative for all of the CACs. Ms. Orr may be able to speak to some of it. Some of the meetings predate us being in our current roles. This process has been ongoing for about two and a half to three years to update these plans.

Bill Carlson

11:21:38AM I just want to make sure for anybody who has concerns in the community that we listen to the CAC, that the CAC did affirmatively approve these. If it was close, it would be good to know. If it was majority or unanimous -- were you at those meetings? Do you happen to know?

Courtney Orr

11:21:58AM CRA development manager. I would like to preface that the CAC and the community worked with the consultant to build the update. So it wasn't the consult working in a silo, not taking in the considerations of the CAC. They supported the development and then the outcome because they participated hand in hand.

Bill Carlson

11:22:21AM Do you remember what the votes were?

Courtney Orr

11:22:24AM I can't recall a particular vote. Like I said, we moved it forward with their support, their input --

Bill Carlson

11:22:32AM In each of the cases, the CAC voted for them, right?

Courtney Orr

11:22:37AM Yes, for sure.

Bill Carlson

11:22:38AM For the record, anybody watching who has concerns, would know their representatives of the community voted in favor of it. If there are lingering concerns, folks can come talk to us and maybe modify them along the way. Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

11:22:51AM I was going to ask if there is a way we encourage people in the chamber to not have conversations and have conversations in the hall. I was going to ask the same questions. Council member Carlson did. This is simply -- we have already approved these sitting as CRA Board, correct? I wanted to make sure we had said that, too.

Alan Clendenin

11:23:22AM Can you give me a motion to close?

Lynn Hurtak

11:23:24AM Motion to close item 61.

Alan Clendenin

11:23:27AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor, aye. Motion to move the resolution. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to move the resolution. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item 62.

Morris Massey

11:23:47AM Legal Department. This is a resolution to approve the amended and revised and restated community redevelopment plan for the Tampa Heights riverfront community redevelopment area. It was heard and approved by the CAC. It was reviewed for consistency purposes by the Planning Commission and approved by them as well. And then has been approved by you all sitting as the CRA Board. This is the final act for the approval of it. These plans must be adopted in your role at City Council.

Alan Clendenin

11:24:15AM Council have any questions? Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none, do I have a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Motion to close, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to move the resolution, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item 63.

Morris Massey

11:24:45AM Legal Department. This is the community redevelopment plan amended and restated for the downtown area. This is probably the oldest community redevelopment plan. The last time it was amended in any comprehensive fashion was 1988. Again, this has been reviewed and approved by the CAC for downtown. It's been reviewed for consistency purposes by the Planning Commission, approved by you all sitting as the CRA Board. And this is the final step in the process.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:13AM Thank you. Anybody in the audience who wishes to speak to item 63? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to move the resolution for 63. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Item 64.

Ross Samons

11:25:42AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination presenting file vac-24-13. This is an ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, and this is an amending ordinance to amend a previously approved vacating ordinance. The previous ordinance had special condition from the Water department for the timing of construction. That is what is being presented today, to amend that and to extend that condition. I do have the previous presentation available, but I won't present it unless council needs that. I'm available if you have any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:20AM Council have any questions? Is there an applicant? Tyler Hudson, 400 North Ashley Drive. Little bit of context on what ross mentioned, this council vacated a right-of-way in east ybor last year in service of a new waste management modern recycling facility. We had a one-year deadline to design, permit, and relocate a water main facility for the city at our own expense. Hindsight, maybe a touch optimistic. We're here asking for 18 month extension. It's not like we haven't started. We've worked closely with the Water department. They don't object to the extension. We're 30% construction drawings. We're working together. Not anyone's fault. Complicated things take time. Ask for your support. Not aware of objections. We have experts here if you have questions.

11:27:11AM Anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. Councilman Viera, I don't know if you read anything yet. All those in favor of closing say aye. Opposed? I'm going to start skipping past that completely. We are closed. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

11:27:32AM I move an ordinance presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, amending ordinance 2024-95, passed and ordained on September 19, 2024, which vacated, closed, discontinued, and abandoned that portion of 4th avenue right-of-way as more particularly described below to extend the one-year requirement to satisfy the water service special conditions by 18 months, repealing conflicts, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:27:59AM We have a motion from Councilman Viera. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. -- Miranda. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

11:28:12AM Motion carried unanimously with second reading and adoption held on September 18, 2025 At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:24AM Thank you. Item 65.

Ross Samons

11:28:29AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination, presenting file vac-25-16. This is a city initiated vacating request. The property address is 4902 East Whiteway Drive. The proposed vacating request is to vacate a portion of alcolu avenue lying of North Whiteway Drive, south of -- street, east of 48th street, and west of 50th street. The application was filed with the City of Tampa March 11, 2025. Right-of-way is currently unimproved. Right-of-way was created by subdivision plat. The existing right-of-way is approximately 12,500 square feet. The reason for this request is for the proposed location of fire station 24. Here is an aerial view of the location. The proposed vacating request in yellow. City of Tampa property on both sides in red. And then greco park to the north. Here is a clip of the survey provided. Again, area in red here is proposed vacating request. Again, parcels, City of Tampa property here and here. You'll notice there are still available right-of-way to the north, liberty street, still platted and still available. This was where the right-of-way was dedicated for plat. Again, red is the proposed vacating request. This is an image looking from east North Whiteway Drive, approximate location of the right-of-way. Notice the stormwater ditch here. Staff has no objections to the vacating request. Easement reservation is required by stormwater. Special conditions, natural resources, comply with chapter 27 regard to tree preservation and site design for any improvements, adjacent to trees in vacated area. That concludes my presentation. I'm available if you have any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:30:38AM Thank you. Does council have any questions? Anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to item 65? Is there a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. We're closed. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:31:03AM Number 65, file vac-25-16, an ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, vacating, closing, discontinuing and abandoning a portion of alcolu avenue that is located of North Whiteway Drive, of South Liberty Street, east of 48th street, and west of 50th street within the revised plat of Terrace Park unit 5 subdivision in the City of Tampa, Hillsborough county, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2 hereof, subject to certain covenants, conditions and restrictions as more particularly set forth herein, providing for enforcement and penalties for violations, providing for definitions, interpretations, and repealing conflicts, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:31:54AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

11:32:02AM Motion carried unanimously. Second reading and adoption will be held on September 18, 2025, At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:32:15AM Thank you. What is council's pleasure? We have ordinance after 1:30. Do you want to knock out a couple of staff reports? We can go right into 66? Let's go into 66.

Luis Viera

11:32:38AM I have a budget meeting with someone at 12:30. Other than that, I can go until whenever.

Alan Clendenin

11:32:46AM I don't think we'll go that long. I assume we'll break right at 12:30. 66.

Lynn Hurtak

11:33:04AM Maybe we can go to 67 because that's Mr. Shelby.

Alan Clendenin

11:33:10AM Mr. Shelby, are you prepared to present for item 67?

Martin Shelby

11:33:14AM No, because I have nothing to say. The fee ordinance speaks for itself. It is here for first reading consideration. You generally take public comment for first readings now if you wish. Other than that, it is for council's consideration. It is consistent with your direction.

Alan Clendenin

11:33:28AM Thank you for your presentation. Is there anybody in the audience that wishes to speak to 67? Hearing none, is there a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion to move -- sorry, read the ordinance.

Guido Maniscalco

11:33:55AM I see home rule written in here. Remember those days? Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, establishing the 2025 City of Tampa Charter Review Advisory Commission, in accordance with the City of Tampa home rule charter of 1975 as amended, section 10.10, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:34:15AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

11:34:21AM Motion carried unanimously. Second reading and adoption will be held on September 18, 2025 At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:34:34AM Thank you. I see that staff is here for 66 now. I apologize.

11:34:41AM That's okay. We're moving. I have a few slides in order to explain this matter. Catch my breath. File e2025-8 is an ordinance regarding proposed changes to chapter 9 of the City of Tampa code which is regarding Code Enforcement. Code section 9-2 is regarding definitions. These are the proposed changes. They are underlined that the city is proposing to change in the code, specifically regarding the first point, the addition of Code Enforcement special magistrates to be -- for the city attorney's office to be allowed to engage outside counsel to be the Code Enforcement special magistrates. This change is proposed for several reasons. First, as City Council is aware or recall, City Council recognized the volunteer Code Enforcement special magistrates that the city had for several years. At one point, the volunteers went down to approximately two volunteers. There were actually some occasions that some of the volunteers were not available to conduct the Code Enforcement hearings. As a result, some hearings were canceled. Canceled hearings creates a backlog of our Code Enforcement cases. So that's reason number one. Additionally, there has been some public comment about the cost associated with hiring outside counsel for Code Enforcement matters. Just so the city is aware, there was already a cost associated with hiring outside counsel for Code Enforcement special magistrate. We had an outside counsel at Code Enforcement hearings in order to provide advice to the volunteer special magistrates. There was already that cost already in existence for the Code Enforcement special magistrate hearings. Finally, this change for the Code Enforcement special magistrate is proposed because the city had a few cases that were appealed to circuit court regarding matters that were heard by our volunteer Code Enforcement special magistrates. At the conclusion of those appellate cases, there were some rulings that the orders from the volunteer Code Enforcement special magistrates were not sufficient. Currently, the law firm that is used for the Code Enforcement special magistrate, they provide all of the orders. They provide them. They provide complete details of findings of fact, and the city is more comfortable with the orders that the law firm provides regarding this matter. As stated, the provision regarding the proposed change for repeat violation mirrors the Florida statute and we're trying to amend the code in order to meet the Florida statute. Code section 9-6, special settlement for liens, the city is trying to update this code section. Currently, the provision that's in the code is outdated, and this process is not followed. Section 9-6, special settlements for liens is only applicable when the Code Enforcement special magistrate loses jurisdiction to hear fine reduction requests. This proposed revision removes a process that the -- that does not exist. Currently, the Legal Department provides settlement offers for Code Enforcement liens based upon the city's adopted policies. Appointed Code Enforcement special magistrate, I lumped in the two code section amendment changes that the city is trying to change. It's code section 9-104 and code section 9-105. The city is recommending that these changes only apply to those Code Enforcement special magistrates who are appointed. 9-110, administrative fines, this proposed amendment mirrors the legislation that was just passed in 2025. This legislation amended code section 162.09 of Florida statute to allow for an increase in penalty for demolition of historic properties. Lastly, code section 9-111 and code section 9-114, the city is recommending an increase in the timeline in which a respondent can respond to those relevant code sections. And that concludes my presentation.

11:40:06AM Councilwoman Hurtak. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:40:10AM I want to go back to 20% of the value of something. Property could be worth 100,000 or 200,000. Go up to 20% up that, 200,000, 40,000.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:40:26AM That is what the intention of this statute is, yes. That's in the Florida statute.

Charlie Miranda

11:40:36AM How do we come up with the 20%?

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:40:38AM We would provide that information to the special magistrate and the special magistrate would make that determination.

Charlie Miranda

11:40:44AM No, no. I'm saying how do -- if the value of something is something, how do we come up with the 20%, based on what we think that the special magistrate is --

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:40:54AM I'm sorry?

Charlie Miranda

11:40:56AM In other words. I'm using a hypothetical question. If the value of an entity is 400,000, okay, and we're saying that we can place, exceed -- may not exceed 20%, go up to 20% of the value of the 400,000.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:41:15AM Right.

Charlie Miranda

11:41:17AM What is the value of 20% to 400,000?

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:41:21AM That would be up to the special magistrate to decide.

Charlie Miranda

11:41:24AM I understand that. Also, 20% of that is 80,000. We can go up to 80,000 of the value of something for the fees, I guess from the fees, special magistrate, I'm not sure.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:41:38AM It is not the fees for the special magistrate. Penalty assessed for demolishing historic property.

Charlie Miranda

11:41:45AM Not that I know value -- [inaudible] -- the 20% seems kind of high to me of anything. That's just my opinion.

Alan Clendenin

11:41:56AM That's statute, though. That's coming from Florida.

Charlie Miranda

11:41:58AM I understand.

Lynn Hurtak

11:41:59AM Interestingly enough, I was going to say the opposite. If you are going to tear down an historic structure, you should certainly have to pay more than 20%. I echo some of the comments that I've gotten in the public regarding that. It sounds like you're sticking to statute.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:42:17AM Right.

Lynn Hurtak

11:42:18AM Florida statute on that. My other question, I do have folks in the public who we got an e-mail this morning. It seems like ybor in particular is really interested in these and folks had requested that this be a workshop instead of just an ordinance because folks didn't know this was coming. I don't know if there's any way that we could maybe -- the comments I've gotten are from ybor heights and Vm Ybor. If there is a way that maybe we could do a meeting with the neighborhoods to ask about these, because these are the areas that really have these types of properties, that they are very concerned about. But one of the things that we had a public comment today was the reasoning or why you chose to motion to see an executive order instead of just spelling out the policy itself in the ordinance, which does make sense. It sounds like it would be stronger if instead of referencing an executive order, you simply took that language and put it into the ordinance. I did want to get an answer to that question.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:43:35AM So as I'm here today to make changes to chapter 9, there is a process in order to change the provision of the code. Having the policies and procedures for settlement of Code Enforcement liens is an executive order. In order for amendments to be made quicker and easier, based upon whatever is going on in the community or if there is a matter that could be quickly changed through an amendment of the policy, that is why it is not in the code. Otherwise, if we put it in the code, it's a more -- it's a more drawn out process in order to change the code for a quick amendment to a policy or concern we would have for settlement of a lien. That's why it is not in the code.

Lynn Hurtak

11:44:27AM Yes, generally speaking, we are the ones that would change policy. Executive order shouldn't be changing policy.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:44:35AM So there is a charter provision regarding the authority to do executive orders. And that is in the charter. Mr. Shelby is not here, but that is in the charter for executive orders to be executed by the mayor regarding policies and procedures. And that's why it's not in the code.

Lynn Hurtak

11:44:57AM Again. I would prefer -- I would like to see this -- I would like to see the policy or the executive order language go into the policy if there needs to be an executive order. I'm just really uncomfortable with executive order change in policy -- the way you described it, it seems like that is something we can do, the mayor can do at any time when really policy shouldn't be changing on a dime. I'm concerned by that.

Alan Clendenin

11:45:33AM I think the clarification is we can control, so if it's not covered by ordinances passed by the City Council, if it is not covered by ordinances by City Council, then the administration running the city, the mayor has the authority to issue --

Lynn Hurtak

11:45:44AM Yes. That's why I'm saying, it should be an ordinance and not referencing an executive order.

Alan Clendenin

11:45:49AM Mr. Shelby. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:45:52AM First of all, I agree with you, with council member Hurtak that we should continue this and have a new first public hearing, but you came to exactly the same conclusion I did, which is why are there so many references to executive order in here?

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:46:15AM Just for clarification, Mr. Chair, there's only one reference. It is just in the settlement. I just want to clarify that. It's not throughout -- it's not throughout the ordinance.

Bill Carlson

11:46:23AM I have it on my phone. I can't search it. That same section, what we're doing is delegating City Council's power to the city attorney. Remember, the whole thing where we found out the city attorney since 2018 was approving settlements without our approval because of a city attorney's two-paragraph. What we're doing here is we're delegating this. I have not heard complaints out of this administration. The last administration, there were complaints that the waiver of liens was arbitrary. And we need to make sure that it's handled correctly. What we're doing is we're delegating to the mayor and delegating to the city attorney. I think we need to have more conversations. If it comes up today, I'll vote no. but I hope we'll change this and address it. I don't think that City Council should -- the perception is that City Council as we compare to the mayor, we're only weak because we delegate the powers we already have to the administration of the city attorney.

Alan Clendenin

11:47:20AM What is before us today is first reading of an ordinance. Choice to adopt this, continue this. What are the options of council, Mr. Shelby?

Martin Shelby

11:47:29AM Well, first of all, continuance is always in order. Secondly, you can move this on to second reading, and if there are changes to be made, it would have to go back to first reading. If that's council's pleasure. If council has questions about it, take a look at it or have a discussion off-line, you have a choice. You can continue it or you can read it by title only on first reading.

Lynn Hurtak

11:47:58AM I would prefer to continue this because, again, the folks who sent detailed comments have concerns, and these are the areas that often have code complaints. So I would prefer that they understand it before we pass it. Because after reading it, I haven't had time to fully understand it. I don't know if there is enough time to do it by October 9.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:48:33AM Camaria Pettis-Mackle, for the record, from the Legal Department. I'm a little confused of what direction City Council is asking. I don't understand.

Alan Clendenin

11:48:43AM I'll try to sum it up. What I'm hearing, there was concern from two councilpersons about issues pertaining to the ordinance on first reading. So what I'm hearing is maybe it would be best that we continue this item to resolve those concerns and bring it back at another date. Now, whether that is the will, we haven't had to vote. I don't know if that is the will of council.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:49:06AM What are those concerns? I hear one issue about an executive order.

Alan Clendenin

11:49:11AM I think those concerns -- if there are those concerns --

Lynn Hurtak

11:49:15AM I can forward the e-mails I've gotten from the community and we can talk about it. Literally I got one at 12:30 this morning. I haven't had time to fully go through it. But the fact that folks are asking us, we don't generally get this in-depth of questions. I'm going to motion to continue it and I'm happy to reach out and talk to the community members, work with you, try to figure out what the next steps are. I motion to move it to where we have a lot of time, which is November 6.

Alan Clendenin

11:49:51AM That motion is in order to continue this for the comfort of council. We'll see if this passes or not and then have further discussion. We have a motion to continue this item to November 6 from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Carlson. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

11:50:04AM Thank you very much. Is there any -- I'm inclined to support as a professional courtesy. Is there any prejudice suffered or significant challenges by continuing it to this time? I would imagine not.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

11:50:19AM Councilman Viera, we're continuing our process with Code Enforcement hearings as usual.

Luis Viera

11:50:25AM I support as a courtesy.

Alan Clendenin

11:50:27AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Carlson to continue the item to November 6. Any other discussion? All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Item is continued to November 6.

Bill Carlson

11:50:47AM Can I make one more statement --

Alan Clendenin

11:50:48AM I think we do it between now and then. That finishes that portion of the business today. Staff reports. I believe we have item 69 what do we have left? 69 and 74. Mr. Rogero. This is the season of Dennis Rogero.

Dennis Rogero

11:51:25AM My cup runneth over. Good morning, council. Dennis Rogero, chief financial Officer. This is item number 69, amended and restated reimbursement resolution for various non-ad valorem projects. The historical information, of course, is in the package. Various iterations. And we've also provided at council's request a summation, itemizing the projects that have already been previously approved through resolutions. And when applicable, also provided council the amount of debt financing that council has had approved. And then, of course, we have the new projects before you for approval today. We have the brief powerpoint presentation that we provided, ready to go, if that's council's pleasure.

Alan Clendenin

11:52:27AM I think in the interest of time, you can kind of go through it quickly. We have all seen this multiple times. I don't think we have to dwell on it. I think probably more questions.

Bill Carlson

11:52:38AM Mainly a list of projects.

Dennis Rogero

11:52:43AM Yes, that's the powerpoint. If I could have the project up, please. Before I go through the project, again, I want to be very clear that we're not asking council to approve any debt issuances today. This merely approves the ability or approves us to go forward and start spending money on projects that conceivably will be funded from debt financing. I also, however, want to be very clear that if permission is given to go forward with the projects and we start spending money, it will have to be paid for from someplace. Thank you in the back for putting the presentation up. As I stated before, we talked about the previously approved reimbursement resolutions and projects. You see them here. We'll begin with the public safety projects. Again, the center column is the reimbursement estimate. To the right, again, when applicable, the amount of funding, debt financing, excuse me, that council has approved. You can see -- these were approved October 22 of 2022. And the projects continue. The initial resolution was not to exceed. $80 million. I have more slides on this. This is simply the public safety portion. Before I continue moving, and I'll use public safety training facilities as an example. I want to be very clear again that just because council has approved debt financing on the right there does not necessarily mean that will be the only time we come to you for financing for a particular project. The public safety training facilities, for instance, the reimbursement estimate is 13 million as approved by council in 2022. We simply financed the design associated with that. So there will be I anticipate forthcoming requests for bonding associated with the public safety training facilities, for example. This is what we have to date. The Parks and Recreation and Convention Center. The various general government projects. Again, approved in 2022 and recently financed a couple of months ago. Moving into reimbursement resolution from 2024, we expanded upon the fire maintenance and supply facility and the fire station number 24. Increasing the reimbursement estimate as we continued with these projects and their projections and you see we issued just under $8 million of bond financing. Again, a graphic depiction of the 80 million plus 50 million, 130 million. You see how they have been subdivided. That was the past. That's what council has approved to date. And now you have the new request before you. And here they are. The Fire Department projects and the Parks and Recreation projects. The Mobility department projects and Convention Center, you'll note that all of the Mobility department projects are grant matches. And the new project total, again, you'll see $105 million total. And then we combine them so council and the public has one complete view of what we've approved so far and what we're asking for today. 130 million, 105 million for a total of 235 million. And a graphic depiction of same of the total so far.

Alan Clendenin

11:57:06AM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:57:07AM No, no. when he's finished.

Dennis Rogero

11:57:09AM And that completes my presentation, council. Can answer questions. If I don't know an answer, I can find out.

Guido Maniscalco

11:57:19AM Thank you very much. My question was, and I mentioned it at the last meeting about the CIT renewal and the amount we have allocated for public safety and what we're allowed to spend the CIT on. I know that in here, you have the Howard Avenue annex and the forensics building which we estimate could be around $40 million. I know that the number shown here was $5 million, I believe. My question is -- I'm sorry, 4 million and reimbursement estimate 5.3 million. I just want to make sure that looking forward that, if we can, we should utilize some of the CIT money towards this because I know we'll be bonding a lot and this is just the beginning of what the total cost is going to be if it doesn't go up because this is Tampa. I just want to make sure that we use CIT towards that in order to not have to bond so much and save money on interest. I spoke to -- since our last meeting, I spoke to several mayors from the past asking how they funded projects. And they were in agreeance. The CIT has been used for plenty for public safety. This falls under public safety. I'm trying to save as much money as possible in the future. That's it. Thank you.

Dennis Rogero

11:58:41AM I can comment a little bit to that and elaborate. Of course, as council knows and maybe members of the public don't, the CIT version two is going to be a very significant amount of funding. Over a 15-year period. Get somewhat of a slow start, though, because it doesn't go into effect until December of next year. We have identified, at least preliminarily, what the initial funding will be spent on. It's in the capital improvement program. This, I think, will be a very, very good nexus. As we, the mayor and City Council, decide what exactly to spend the community investment tax money on, and as we go forward in terms of the pace of these projects and when the funding will be needed, and if the reimbursement resolution is approved, it's all about flexibility. It's all about providing the mayor and council flexibility as to what we fund the projects with. Run, we're at the beginning of quite the process when it comes to projects being approved and completed and the influx of funding that the CIT will give us. I think there is a great deal of flexibility, but it will entail future discussions between the mayor and City Council.

Guido Maniscalco

12:00:00PM Thank you. You're right, future discussions. I think we need to put this out there that we need to humble ourselves now, and future councils and future mayor, mayors in doing the right thing. Because there is a lot of ego in politics. A lot of big legacy projects, but we have a lot of needs. You showed the list. We have fire needs. We have police needs. We have community needs. Just do the right thing. The CIT is a blessing. In this political environment when things are killed at the ballot box, CIT renewal, 15-year extra life line will save us a lot of money. We have triple a bond ratings, we have so much to be proud of. In this volatile, financial environment, we don't know what it's going to be like in the next few years. We don't know what the economy will look like. Things are good now. The stock market is up. Interest rates might be coming down. My phone is breaking news every day and all day long. Nothing is certain. So as we move forward and look at the next 15, 16, 17 years and future leadership that gets elected, humble yourselves in doing what is necessary. We have a lot of necessary projects here but very easy for a politician to go off the rails and say I want to do something -- it's not about doing something big and impactful. It's what is right and necessary. Wants and needs. We have a lot of needs, public safety infrastructure needs. Stormwater folks are here. We're making those investments. That's what is important to the future of this city. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

12:01:36PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:01:38PM If we approve in the next year and a half, if the City Council approves all the debt that this administration is proposing, we're going to throw the next City Council, the next administration into a debt crisis. Just to preface whatever nasty e-mail the administration wants to send, I've talked to other cities and counties, talked to experts on financing. When people find out the debt of the city, they are appalled by it. Ratings are high for now. For several factors. But we're on the precipice of changing that. If we add the six or eight hundred million whatever more debt the administration wants, we're going to put the next administration, next City Council in a crisis. Keep in mind at the current rates, our children and grandchildren will be paying for the next 30 years, 80 to 100 percent of the principal and interest just so we can rush some projects now. The point is we've got to start saying no. next City Council, next administration, either forced to raise taxes or go into austerity mode like pam iorio did in the great recession. Certain people in the city and the people in the community don't want us to lay off hundreds of people so we can pay for the interest that this administration spent. We've got to put austerity measures in now. We also don't know what the economy will do. We know that floods and other things have had an impact on taxes. We need to do sensitivity. We can't completely max out the credit cards over the next year and a half. We're not at that point, yet, obviously, but we need to stop it. And there are projects that are nice to have that we shouldn't include. An example is the west riverwalk. Another example is the Ashley Street project. These fire station projects I think are essential, and there are a few that are still on here that need to be approved. As a member of the public, Ms. Bluma Has said before, I think we should approve these one by one, if the only choice -- I would recommend that they go back and just pass a resolution, create new resolutions to add these one by one to the existing list. But the way the resolution is written now, it restates the original projects and then it adds the additional projects and the implication there is that we are reaffirming the old projects, which include Hanna Avenue and other projects that I don't support. If those projects are still included in the resolution, my vote today is going to be no. if they come back individually and say we want to support the fire stations and other projects that are essential, my vote will be yes. Thank you.

Charlie Miranda

12:04:32PM I was not going to speak about the CIT tax, but since you brought it up, I guess I have to. I have never voted for the CIT tax. Let me tell you why. It goes to someone else in a much larger number than it goes to the City of Tampa. The total sums collected in the whole county, City of Tampa, as small as it is compared to the county, puts in about 30% of the total collection. You know what we get back? 20%. I'm just running it out. You can correct me anytime you want, Mr. Rogero. I don't get upset with that. In fact, I welcome that. That's number one. First of all, it's for 15 years. The other side for 15 years gets $850 million. What do we get? I'll leave that up to someone else to say. I think it's like 20 million a year, maybe. I'm not sure, but I'm taking a guess.

Dennis Rogero

12:05:49PM A little less than that to begin.

Charlie Miranda

12:05:51PM I took a guess. I'm not as SMART as anyone thinks I am on that. That's 20 times 15. They get 850 million. What is 20 times 15? That's what you'll get. However, if there is a shortfall in the collection, notice I say we bring in 30 and we only collect 20, if there is a shortfall in the collection, we're going to pay 30. Isn't that nice? That was a real SMART move for all of us. So I don't want -- I'm not pounding my chest. I'm just telling you the facts. The public can believe it or not. I'm speaking for myself really. I don't know what else to tell you. What is the difference between a bond and a loan? It's the same thing. In a way. However, you go get a loan for 4.4% anywhere. That's what I think the bond market is now. I'm not sure because I'm not that SMART. Again, I'm going to say that I'm not that SMART. So anybody wants to get a loan for 4.4% in this City of Tampa let me know because I want to go there also at any bank. So that's why you bond. But a bond has a different feel of the word instead of a loan. A loan is a little bit harder. A bond you think, oh, we're going to bond together, have a nice time, go to the fair and all that kind of stuff. No. it's about money. But the bonding market, it is the most convenient way and less expensive way for an entity of this size, government of this size, large or smaller, to do business. They are doing the taxpayer a service by getting it at a cheaper rate. Yeah, it's costly to get there. I'm not going to deny that. So there is no difference between a bond and an interest other than the amount of money that you're spending on interest. Therefore, I'd rather bond than go borrow at the bank because you're not going to get 4.4% at the bank. If you are, let me know because I want to go to that bank. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me.

Alan Clendenin

12:08:16PM Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

12:08:19PM Thank you so much. I think one of the things that's confusing about this is like, for example, the first page, the reimbursement resolution 2022-has the 915 Howard Avenue annex forensics building, the reimbursement estimate of 5.3, and we put the 4 million out already, but we already know that the total of that is going to be around 40 million. And that's nowhere in here in terms of future.

Dennis Rogero

12:08:54PM That has been provided. We can provide that. That has been provided as part of the budget presentation for fiscal year 26, the 40 odd million dollar item. Still unapproved, yes. To clarify, yes, back in October of 2022, this was the envisioned reimbursement estimate to go forward and start spending money.

Lynn Hurtak

12:09:24PM What is missing is we have the reimbursement estimate. We have the series that was approved that we got the Bonds, got the money, we paid forward in these, but we don't know the total costs -- I mean, on this chart, doesn't show us the total cost of these projects and how much -- I mean, so I don't know what's been encumbered, what's been spent, like the overages. And that's, I think, one of the big concerns because I share council member Carlson's concern, and council member Maniscalco's concern about bonding. I think the CIT is fine, but we can't tap that until 2026. So we're still looking, how do we bond now, and then we don't have money for Howard Avenue for this building that is going to break ground probably -- I mean, it seems within this calendar year. But in this reimbursement resolution, is we have $48.7 million for fire stations that we can't even start looking at until we have started and built the fleet and supply. So this is the part -- I mean, we all agree these projects are important, but why would we put a reimbursement resolution for $48.7 million right now for something we aren't even going to be able to start while we're here? We all agree they are important things, but our time in office, maybe next year we'll be able to start. Again, it makes no sense to me why the Howard Avenue forensics building is 5.7 million -- 5.6 million, and great, that's been able to help the beginning of it. That's been able to help the design, the engineering, all of that. Why aren't we just doing that for these projects? I do understand that we want to have the money to do them, but also knowing where we are and the kind of money we have, why aren't we putting reimbursement resolutions for those beginning aspects?

Alan Clendenin

12:11:45PM You know, it's interesting. Chair privilege jumping in the middle of it, right? It's interesting you brought that up. Howard Avenue. It's my understanding, the only thing that this council is authorized is the design, the four point whatever million dollars.

Dennis Rogero

12:12:02PM Yes, sir.

Alan Clendenin

12:12:03PM Reference the assumption that we'll see shovels in the ground there, better not be seeing shovels in the ground because the project hasn't been authorized yet. Good luck trying to find money without council's approval to pay for something if you start building it. I hope somebody in that department has really large endowment somewhere that we don't know about. One thing I appreciate about this, though, one of my frustrations, we asked, I need to know it a council approved vote, when I vote for something, that the intention of you all to do that is bonding and what the full cost is. Actually, I appreciate that coming to us like this. Instead of teeny pieces.

Lynn Hurtak

12:12:47PM It's not consistent. This is the part that confuses me is in this reimbursement resolution, why you wouldn't have brought forward that project too.

Dennis Rogero

12:12:59PM I'm happy to answer that. Let me preface this by saying I want council and the public to have all of the information they want. From a project perspective, again, I'll use the Hanna Avenue annex forensics. This, again, was almost three years ago. And at that time, it was envisioned that we would only want to start spending money for, as you said, ma'am, design. So we started spending money for the design and then you see in June, we did a bond financing issuance to pay us back, and that's what the reimbursement resolution is for. We're not coming to you at this juncture, although we can if that's council's wish, we're not coming to you at this juncture to ask for any more approvals associated with the Howard Avenue annex. This is simply historical. Now, in the debt presentation associated with the July budget presentation, now, it's in a different source. We have laid out what we anticipate to be the debt issuance calendar or time frames with that issuance, one, that issue, debt issuance two, debt issuance three based on at this time what funding will be needed and when. I can't really speak to October of 2022, but I can tell you we're not coming to you asking for additional reimbursement resolution authority for the Howard annex because we don't anticipate we're going to spend any of that money yet for some of the reasons that have already been mentioned. Does that clarify?

Alan Clendenin

12:14:43PM I need to get clarification, too, about the purpose of this resolution. Why -- so much of this presentation today, things council already authorized and approved, whether I like some of that stuff or not, it's done. Asked and answered. Why are these included in the resolution? Why don't we have another clean resolution with just the additional expenditures?

Dennis Rogero

12:15:10PM And we can do that. The concern was that that was -- and these are my words -- that that was piecemealing the overall picture of what we intend to do from a reimbursement resolution perspective.

Alan Clendenin

12:15:25PM I do like the comprehensive look at debt and what we have previously approved. What I don't want to do today is vote on something that ends up putting me in a position to vote no because I voted no in one of the issues included in the first debt issuance. In other words, I already voted no on a debt issuance council approved, but when this rolled together, you force me to vote no. the new stuff, I would vote yes.

Dennis Rogero

12:15:54PM May I suggest that if -- believe it or not, I view this as progress -- if council is happy with the comprehensive look, historical and what we're asking for now but doesn't want that as part of the resolution, we can bring back a resolution as you and I think Councilman Carlson suggested of just the new projects.

Alan Clendenin

12:16:17PM I think Councilwoman Hurtak finish something up.

Lynn Hurtak

12:16:26PM This reimbursement resolution and projects has things that we may want to do, but are more wish list items, but not having the Howard Avenue here doesn't make sense. Why don't we have those projects that we know we're going to need the money for, why aren't they on here?

Alan Clendenin

12:16:51PM We haven't approved Howard --

Lynn Hurtak

12:16:54PM We haven't approved any of these things either.

Alan Clendenin

12:16:57PM Haven't we approved -- hasn't council said these are projects --

Lynn Hurtak

12:17:04PM We would like to prioritize the fire stations. Unfortunately, we can't do anything until they are moved.

Dennis Rogero

12:17:13PM Again, I'm doing my best to communicate. I'll use that annex as an example. Council has already approved the annex. $5.3 million, and that was for design. At this time, we're not prepared to bring council a decision packet on moving any further with that project. This has simply been for the design. We paid ourselves back. If we decide to continue with the annex project, we would bring council a contract for construction, bond financing paperwork for the financing, et cetera, et cetera. But that is not the administration's desire at this time, and I would submit that the totality of the project has been included in the capital improvement program. Had we come today and asked for a reimbursement resolution of $40 million, that would have been -- would have empowered us to spend up to $40 million.

Lynn Hurtak

12:18:14PM Yes. Again, I think that's my concern -- the chief stood up and basically said we have to have this. So while you say we haven't decided to go forward, we're going forward. The administration has or at least the chief has made it clear this is a project that's going to be going forward. So, again, I --

Dennis Rogero

12:18:40PM I don't mean to interrupt you. I don't disagree with anything you said but it can only go forward if council approves it.

Lynn Hurtak

12:18:47PM That is the same thing for all of these projects.

Dennis Rogero

12:18:50PM Yes, ma'am.

Bill Carlson

12:18:54PM I want to get back to the resolutions. I think your goal based on what you're saying is to simplify, keep everything in one place and also probably provide transparency. So I appreciate that. It makes it more complicated having these other resolutions, but I think for the sake of being able to approve things, it's better not to have us go back and vote for things in the past.

Dennis Rogero

12:19:25PM Understood. Appreciate that.

Bill Carlson

12:19:28PM Makes it more complicated. Should have a total list, probably will be in the summary or ride along instead of being part of the resolution. If you could get a resolution with just the new ones, especially if we could do one by one, I would be willing to approve that. I would rather approve project by project, add to the list, instead of reaffirm the existing list. In the current resolution, it has the existing projects. It is an addendum but appears the way it is written that we're reaffirming those.

Dennis Rogero

12:20:02PM Understood. I absolutely see that perspective. That was not the intent, of course.

Alan Clendenin

12:20:07PM Should we entertain a motion to continue this?

Dennis Rogero

12:20:11PM That would be my suggestion.

Alan Clendenin

12:20:12PM Good time and good date? Somebody grab me a date.

Dennis Rogero

12:20:18PM Not long.

Alan Clendenin

12:20:19PM October 6? Hear a motion to continue item 69 to October 6, 2025. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Carlson. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? I'm sorry. October 9. Do that again. Motion to continue this to October 9. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Dennis Rogero

12:20:58PM Good for me. Good for council? Thank you, council.

Alan Clendenin

12:21:01PM Thank you for your patience. Appreciate it. We have one other item 80, right? Sorry, 74. 74. Item 74. Stormwater.

Brandon Campbell

12:21:33PM Brandon Campbell, interim director of the Mobility department. I'm here to introduce our team to present an update on the stormwater master Planning effort. We have with us this afternoon from Applied Sciences elie araj and Taylor lankford. They'll go through a powerpoint that was uploaded to onbase previously, and then Yuan Li, our stormwater engineering manager, has a little bit of follow-up to their presentation as well. I'll invite elie up to start.

Luis Viera

12:22:05PM At 12:30, I have to step outside for a city-related call on the budget. I will be back. Shouldn't take more than 15 minutes.

Alan Clendenin

12:22:15PM If we're not here, we will leave without you. We are glad to be back to report the status of citywide watershed master plan. The progress we made since the workshop in may. It was presented to the council for the first time. And in addition, we want to give you an overview of the coastal master plan that is a regional Planning effort led by the Tampa Bay regional Planning council. This topic was brought up at the stormwater workshop a couple of weeks ago because it is very important. Florida is the first -- regional flood adoption plan and critical supplement to the city program. With that, the team is here today to report the quarterly update for the master plan. Elie araj. Applied skins. Thank you for inviting us back here. We have a presentation here for you today, if somebody can put it up. This is our second quarterly update. We're going to have basically a quick -- basically, do a quick recap, give you some feedback that we've gotten since the last presentation that we've had and then give you an update where the program is. Quickly, this is our team. We introduced ourselves the last time. I'm president of Applied Sciences. Also mark hammond, former executive with S.W.F.W.M.D., and Taylor lankford, our modeling team and is our lead for the water resources. Quickly, again, we talked last time about how this master Planning effort fits into the continuum of the stormwater project. It's very important to keep that in mind because this is where a lot of the projects for the city are going to come from that deal directly with stormwater. We have the 46 basins that we discussed last time. It's actually 47. One of them was broken into two. And we -- various districts with the city. This is the list of the basins that were previously studied before we started our effort. And this is the list of the basins that we are currently studying right now to fill in the gaps, giving priority to those basins that needed immediate attention. We have a number of them here that you see going. And also serves as a quick reminder that we have six consultants that are working on this effort led be Applied Sciences and the list that you see here working on the various basins that we shared with you last time with the proposed completion date for the floodplains. Since the last time the city sent out a mail-out asking for feedback, pictures, documentation, photos of the flooding that occurred and received over 2,000 photos from the various residents in these basins and those photos and documentation are still trickling in. I'll share with you some of the ones -- some of the basins that we're working on. This is in the el prado basin. Those pictures are Lemon Street. Again, those were mostly from milton and helene. You see the dates on the bottom. North river west. Ybor City. And north river east. Also, keep in mind that part of the reason why we ask for this photo documentation is we use this information to validate, calibrate, verify a lot of the information that we already have as we're running the models in these various basins. There has been in the field data collection, surveying, assessment of the connectivity. These are pictures of Taylor in Palmetto Beach. El prado outfall. Concordia park outfall information collected on the stormwater inventory. The city had a lot of that information already. Our site visits would confirm the condition, adding any new assets, pointing out anything that needed maintenance, et cetera. That all happens during the site visits. We are also implementing, as we mentioned last time, a component to take into consideration sea level rise into the future projects. This is some of the ongoing modeling efforts on 18th street, Palmetto Beach. The encore channelside area, and, again, the el prado outfall that I mentioned earlier. This is the list of the projects or the basins that we're going to be looking at next. And we started a link publicly facing that summarizes the efforts on each one of the basins where the public can go, look at the inventory, look at the status, and even give us feedback where they can. From a schedule perspective, since the last time we met, we've completed the data collection. We're on schedule for the February 2026 for the existing floodplains in group one. June 2026 for the existing floodplains for group two. The projects for group one will be slated to be developed by August 2026 and December 2026 for the rest of the group. The final report is expected in 2027, and, again, the budget that we mentioned last time is the $5 million for the program. Also since the last time we met, the city met with opte and other folks to look at some advanced management systems for outfalls, intelligent systems, cloud based. And as I mentioned last time, those were successfully used in other parts in the Tampa Bay area and looking to see how we can implement them in this program. We are also looking at various green infrastructure in the area. These pictures are from previous projects we've done where we have pervious pavers, load bearing for the parking. Non load bearing for the sidewalk. Tree Wells, pervious concrete on the right-hand side for 5th street and green gutters. Those are some templates that we've done for the city of st. pete and pinellas county. What's interesting about this right now is with the new stormwater rule, they are actually encouraging the implementation of low impact development or green infrastructure to help with implementing the rule and being in compliance with the rule. We're very much aware of that and taking that into consideration as we are providing the projects. Finally, the last slide we have is what we mentioned last time, this will help us get a lower rating for the CRS which means a bigger discount on flood insurance. With that, we would like to take any questions that you may have.

12:29:50PM Does council have questions? Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:29:54PM The research that I've done on stormwater always gets back to what you showed toward the end, which is trying to install pervious pavement, sidewalks, green areas. In your analysis when you're finished, will you be able to estimate how much an impact we might be able to have by implementing that and/or do you know from your experience what percentage impact it would have? Is it like 5% impact or 50% impact? It seems to be a major recommendation of modern stormwater management. Without getting too technical, one of the things we do analyze is what we call directly connected impervious area, versus not directly connected. So directly connected thinking about a spout coming down from the roof, hitting your driveway and straight to the road. When you disconnect that, you send it to the grass first and then to the driveway. This is one way to kind of think of that. Our modeling does take the CIA -- into consideration. However, at the project level, when we get to the project level is when we can take into consideration the green infrastructure and how to implement it actually in the final design and final solutions.

12:31:13PM In your analysis, if you have systemic recommendations that we can put in place of policies like that, that you see in other cities, like incentives for people to use pervious pavement in their yards or whatever, then please let us know because we can start implementing that right away. Also, will your analysis show the city is on a seven-year cycle now to do maintenance. So there are areas presumably that won't have maintenance for still maybe six more years, but also areas that we can see didn't have maintenance in prior seven or ten years at least. Will your analysis take into account what the modeling with and without the maintenance so we can see what the impact of lack of maintenance is and or systems? There is a balance we've got to find between how fast do we do the maintenance, is seven years acceptable? Should increase the budget? Do we have the capacity to do it? Versus the infrastructure that we have to put in. And we showed some of the folks how they are doing the data collection, we do make a note or find out which areas may need maintenance, which areas may not need maintenance. And that information is shared. As you saw in the life of the project, we started with a field investigation and then modeling and then we go on with the maintenance at the ends. The actual cycle of maintenance is a little bit more complicated than that, because it's dependent, as we know, on the resources, on where the actual structures are and the access to them and all that. But our modeling will actually help the city in identifying the areas that do actually need more maintenance within those basins. The modeling part, assuming the system is well maintained. However, wanted to let the council and public know, engineers working on the studies do go out to verify the information and collect additional data and identify immediate maintenance needs and come back to the city so that we can generate work orders. But modeling itself assume all the systems are functioning properly. So that's why, if we identify the flood risks, there will be some capital improvement projects proposed because assuming all the systems are well maintained.

12:33:58PM Thank you. The other thing while you're up there and maybe Brandon will want to answer this. Yuan, when we went to the county's public hearing, Councilman Viera made a motion to have the city partner with the county, I think black & veatch is doing the analysis, but when we went to that public meeting a couple of months ago, constituents were asking black & veatch what about my neighborhoods. Black & veatch said, if I remember correctly, the city did not provide all the data that they needed to do the analysis. Do you know if the city, I know it is a different analysis, but they are kind of working side by side. Has that data been given to black & veatch? Provided to black & veatch and county. Black & veatch made their final report ready already back early this month, presented to county board of commissioners late July. The final report is ready. Staff got us a final report already. The county is forming a working group, including the county, S.W.F.W.M.D. And city of Temple Terrace, Plant City and Tampa. We are awaiting the very first group to discuss further action items.

12:35:22PM Have we already scheduled black & veatch to come with staff?

12:35:28PM When would you recommend we set that up?

12:35:38PM Would you like to present with them or just have them present? We can arrange with black & veatch and talking with the county.

Lynn Hurtak

12:35:47PM Unfortunately, November 6 seems to be the first thing that we have available.

Bill Carlson

12:35:53PM Motion for November 6 to have black & veatch present the county's master stormwater plan with city stormwater staff available.

Lynn Hurtak

12:36:08PM I don't think it was a master plan. They do have assessment report.

12:36:31PM You are a step ahead. November 20 to come back with this plan. Maybe a nice secondary thing.

Bill Carlson

12:36:40PM That way all in one day.

Lynn Hurtak

12:36:42PM And we have the monthly in-person update. It will be a stormwater day. The first round of public engagement. So getting all the documentation. We want to take this opportunity to thank all the residents for sharing all the documentation. It will provide valuable information, improve the quality of our study but also improve the quality of our own work. And looking ahead, around the November time and we anticipate a number of watershed modeling going to be ramped up, public for the second round to share the flood risks by hosting all those public meetings.

Alan Clendenin

12:37:34PM Let's hope we don't have any additional information to add, the hurricane season.

Lynn Hurtak

12:37:40PM Complete the name -- assessment.

12:37:48PM Post hurricane regional stormwater assessment.

Alan Clendenin

12:37:51PM Motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilman Maniscalco to add that as previously stated report to the November 20 stormwater update. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

12:38:06PM Again, the name of the company that's going to provide is black & veatch. And will your office then arrange for that invitation for the date?

Alan Clendenin

12:38:20PM You'll reach out to them.

Bill Carlson

12:38:23PM What do you think about this? Have them present just before the city? That way you have time to respond or reflect on what they said on that date.

Alan Clendenin

12:38:32PM Your request is that the report on the 20th it will be that company that black & veatch company will do the first presentation, followed by City of Tampa stormwater.

Bill Carlson

12:38:45PM Yeah. Separate presentation. That way they can reflect on whatever was presented.

Alan Clendenin

12:38:49PM We have the motion as stated for November 20 for that to come back. Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Any further discussion? Councilman Miranda, you had wanted to say something.

Charlie Miranda

12:39:00PM I wanted to say thank you for doing what you've done. I know this is applied science, but within that science, there is an area that no one knows. That is the uncertain of what's coming or not coming, I should say. Because up to now we've been very fortunate that nothing has hit any part of the united states. It turned right. I am very concerned, the question would be this, if something like happened last year was to come, where do you think we'd be at with all the repairs and things that we've done? If we can go back to the presentation. We do want to share something regarding a parallel regional effort being led by the Tampa Bay regional Planning council. Can we go back?

Alan Clendenin

12:39:48PM Let me dispose of this one resolution first before we get too caught up in this. Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco to have the black & veatch company come and do a presentation followed by City of Tampa presentation on November 20, 2025. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Okay. Go ahead. This one is really driven by all the coastal communities. Like we said, Tampa is not alone. Increasing stress by sea level rise, tidal flooding and -- storm surge. That's why the study was really address all the community's needs. It covers seven counties on the west coast from -- to sarasota and impacting approximately more than 4 million residents. This study was kicked off, just three months ago. Pretty recent. It has four phases. Community engagement and data collection and the risk assessment, and then the project development and prioritization and the final recommendations. There are two tracks, technical track and also community engagement track. Both groups are meeting monthly or every other month, and the city resilience office and stormwater team are both involved in this one. And we are happy to provide like periodical update and go into quarterly update of the master plan because this is a highly relevant topic. Coastal communities. With that, any questions you may have.

12:42:11PM I think that's good. Thank you very much for your presentation today.

Lynn Hurtak

12:42:16PM I wanted to say thank you. I think this was a really great example of how to update us on how a project is going. I really did appreciate the visuals were great. It was very clear what was going on. I really liked it. Just want to say thank you so much. The public could definitely follow this and we really do appreciate it.

Alan Clendenin

12:42:37PM Thank you. That concludes our business for the day. We're into new business. Councilman Carlson. Councilwoman Hurtak?

Lynn Hurtak

12:42:44PM I've got a bit. Agenda review -- never mind. I already did that one. A motion to recognize the City of Tampa Purchasing Department for winning yet another award. The 2025 annual achievement of excellence in procurement award for the National Procurement Institute. This is their 19th consecutive year winning this award. I would like to add into the agenda on September 18, 2025, regular council meeting under ceremonial activity.

Alan Clendenin

12:43:15PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

12:43:22PM Next, I did say I would work on the budget review committee discussion about the study for the fees. Well, good news. We have kind of already done that. I have e-mails with the expected dates of completion for the fee studies that are requested by the budget review committee this morning. I will share the e-mails with each council member and Ms. Kopesky so she can present the information to the citizen budget advisory committee at their meeting tomorrow. Basically, the mobility fee topic will be on the September 25 and October 30th council workshops. Development growth and management fee study is scheduled to be delivered on November 1st. I'm sorry. Staff anticipates returning to City Council for presentation December 2025. Good news is, we are on our way to all three of those studies being put forward. Additionally, wanted -- wait, there's more. I wanted to address the memo that you all received from the administration and HART talking about the prioritization of the streetcar versus bus funding. And I was lucky enough to be able to have a meeting with the administration on Wednesday, where we did discuss the difference between the importance of the streetcar and the importance of the bus. I really appreciate that conversation. It was really wonderful. I know I talked to you all, I mentioned briefly about the fact that I was hoping to earmark about $3 million to the bus. Turned out I don't need nearly that much money. So I wanted to let you know that we will be talking a bit more about the bus on Wednesday. I just wanted to say that I had a really great conversation, both with the administration and very later that afternoon with HART. So we have a much cheaper proposal going forward, focusing on route one and the brt and the regional infrastructure accelerator. I'm happy to mention that.

Alan Clendenin

12:45:34PM Great. I love good news. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

12:45:36PM I would like to make a motion for written staff report for January 8. Plenty of time. To look at manatee protection zones. See what exists in the Hillsborough River, what the boundaries are. I think it may stop at sligh. If we could expand it further to the dam. I know you have to go through fwc, maybe the county. I know it's multijurisdictional. Just to see what exists and what we have to do to further expand that. As you all know, I'm very good friends with rod. He's always on the river. Kayaking on the river. I kayaked with him on the river. When I was in high school, I used to ROW on the river. The river is very significant, but so are manatees.

Alan Clendenin

12:46:26PM Councilwoman Hurtak is very good friends with manatees.

Guido Maniscalco

12:46:28PM Exactly. We need to protect them. We have boats going through.

Alan Clendenin

12:46:33PM Does the City of Tampa have any of it's own manatee protection zones?

Lynn Hurtak

12:46:39PM That's part of this conversation.

Guido Maniscalco

12:46:41PM I have the information on my desk. You have to go through multiple agencies to get permission. I want to know what we have in place regarding manatee protection zones and what we have to do to move forward in order to further expand that.

Alan Clendenin

12:46:55PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, written staff report, motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Anything else, sir?

Guido Maniscalco

12:47:06PM No. thank you.

Alan Clendenin

12:47:07PM Councilman Miranda.

12:47:20PM I believe that we have a person that it is their birthday tomorrow. Ms. Kopesky, if you're listening. Happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday budget analyst happy birthday to you.

Lynn Hurtak

12:47:41PM See, we're bringing the music along with us.

Alan Clendenin

12:47:48PM It could have gotten worse. Could have been you.

Lynn Hurtak

12:47:53PM I recognize the chair.

Alan Clendenin

12:47:54PM Thank you. As I spoke about earlier and I sent an e-mail, I'll be honest, this is not something I thought I was going to deal with on council for various reasons and some good, some whatever. The issue with what's happening in the State of Florida with the mandate that the sidewalks, crosswalks, public art be mandated to be destroyed. One, it breaks my heart to see in the City of Tampa we have so many of these beautiful crosswalks to classrooms that had been created by students, created by artists. We saw what happened with pulse nightclub in Orlando, which was an area where 49 people, innocent people were targeted because of who they loved and were shot and killed and they created that area as a tribute to those folks that sacrificed everything just because they all wanted to show up as a community to have fun one night and one evil person walked in and killed them all, these young people. There was a beautiful cross walk, created a safe zone for people to walk to the area to pay tribute to that. Here in the City of Tampa, we don't really have that. St. petersburg did, but we didn't. What we do have is we have these great murals, great sidewalks. Hampton terrace, a median, like a manatee painted in it, butterflies. All these beautiful things in the City of Tampa which makes -- it designates it is a community. Something that really makes something special. Something noteworthy. In fact, our crosswalks to classrooms was awarded by the Florida Department of Transportation as safety enhancement. The same department now that's telling we have to sandblast them off the roads. Almost drew a tear when I watched these kids out there painting the things. I created an idea. I know this is not necessarily something that is within our standard rules of procedure, so you're welcome to push back and push this to another time. I think Councilman Viera wanted to vote in favor of this, but he's not here. Did I this resolution. It's a resolution of the Tampa City Council condemning the actions of Governor Ron desantis to restrict or remove art paintings, community cross walk expression and safety enhancements in the State of Florida and affirming the value of public art, diversity, and community identity providing an effective date. I wrote this up. Anybody that wants copies of it, I put it on my social media with the intent of doing this. I'll spare everybody reading it. All the members of council and staff should have it. It's something that I feel strongly about, that I feel like the City of Tampa -- we need to make a statement. For those that are listening, we don't have a choice because they are holding us hostage. We dependent upon Florida Department of Transportation funding for so many things. If they were to withhold funding from the City of Tampa because we failed to follow the rules, it's something we can't live with. We're being held hostage by tallahassee. This is what is happening up there in tallahassee. So, really, the most we can do right now is really register our objection. Use our voices and tell people how objectionable it is for what's happening as far as I'm concerned. Councilman Carlson first.

Lynn Hurtak

12:51:27PM Council member Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:51:31PM I just want to say I agree with the things you said. If this goes forward as is, I'll support it. I've got a slightly different modification, recommendations. I also in addition to what you said, thank Emily -- [inaudible] for setting these up and the artists that work on them and people in the community that contributed money. It's like four or five thousand dollars just to hire the artist. I've been out personally painting a couple of them. In the hot sun. You've got like 20, 30 volunteers painting these things. These are efforts where the community really came out. Many of them are by schools, as you mentioned, which makes it safer around schools. There is one that I helped with next to Coleman, and the problem is that the law won't allow us to build a crosswalk if there's not a sidewalk on the other side. This is something we tried to address a few years ago, sometimes it's not physically possible to put a sidewalk. If you can't put a crosswalk and you have kids crossing to go to school, it's a hazard. Besides all the other reasons, if -- there is a really strong safety consideration, not just for these things in general, but the places where you can't put crosswalks. What I would suggest, my day job is looking at things like this. When our council does something that the governor's office or legislature don't agree with, they decided things right away. When Councilman Viera pushed the various things like the apprenticeship ordinance, they changed the law right away on us. If we send this, for sure it's a political statement but it's not going to have any impact. What I would recommend, because most of this is really good, if we just stripped out the condemnation part and some of that language and just sent a letter, you could include the rest of it, but just pleaded with the governor to please allow them in places where they are needed for safety reasons. And you could even say the ones that have manatee characters or other nonpolitical signs, what I've told people in the lgbt community, we have a year and a half -- a little over a year until we have a new governor, new administration. Depending on who wins, we might be able to paint them back again. I'm certain we would all do that. In the meantime, all the hard work and effort that people put into these and especially the ones next to schools, I think it's our duty to try to convince the governor to not force to us paint over those.

Alan Clendenin

12:54:25PM On that language, trust me, I struggled with it, too. This is one of those things I didn't necessarily -- I get it. We don't have any control over this. They are holding us hostage on F.D.O.T. Funding. One, some of the nastiness of this. This is just meanness. I don't know if we can bury our head in the sand and mince our words on it. Because when they come for a community, when they come for things, I think we have to rise up to that level of aggression. Honestly, condemning, if we had more power, the language would be more than condemning. That's the most power we have is our language. I don't know how you cannot condemn -- back to the crosswalks, classrooms. I've seen statistics that show the safety enhancements. How do you not condemn removing something that is in place that may save a child's life, for what? Because you want to target a rainbow. You're willing to put people in jeopardy crossing streets because your masculinity is so offended because there is a damn rainbow in the street. That's just crazy. I don't know how anybody could not see that that's crazy. I don't know --

Bill Carlson

12:55:59PM Quick follow-up. The city had to remind them that there is a back to blue -- but they are consistent and said take that one up too. At least they are consistent in saying that all of these have to come up. I don't agree with the policy. My only suggestion, you see how far st. pete has gotten by arguing with them. If we say condemn, they'll take it make fun of it and throw it away. Might even do something else punitive against us. If we say, hey, we really would like you to at least allow us to keep these, we might have a chance of keeping some of these. That is my suggestion.

Alan Clendenin

12:56:39PM I think there are people suing in other communities. Honestly, I'm not even advocating for that because I don't want to waste taxpayer money. Again, I think the language is the most important thing, at least we can go on the record to say, hey, we didn't sit by and say nothing.

Charlie Miranda

12:56:55PM Politics is like a wave in the ocean. Guess what, every wave in the ocean comes to an end. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

Guido Maniscalco

12:57:11PM I'm trying to think of what to say. Go ahead.

Lynn Hurtak

12:57:14PM I tend to err on the side of Councilman Carlson with this. But I also agree, I don't mind if it goes through. That's fine with me. The only thing I wanted to add to it is there are some of these murals that have been done with neighborhood dollars, where they have raised the money themselves. I think one concrete thing we can do is we can pay those neighborhoods back. If somebody can show they spent a thousand dollars painting a mural like hampton terrace said they did, the least we can do for a neighborhood, that is a lot of money. I think the least we can do is pay them back. I think that's something that we can talk about, maybe I can bring a motion to see what that might look like. But I do believe there's at least that little thing. Because most of those were funded by the city, my understanding. Wouldn't be that big of a deal. But there are several done by neighborhoods and we should make the neighborhoods whole.

Alan Clendenin

12:58:20PM If that would come to pass, I would entertain that as well.

Guido Maniscalco

12:58:24PM I was thinking about that. I received a call and spoke with some folks in hampton terrace. They raised the money and they paid for that median, not a cross walk, not in the street, a median. I reached out to the mayor's office and said, can they exempt this? It's art and it's a beautiful thing. In regards to the rainbow and everything, my wife calls me her rainbow because I am the rainbow after the storm. The rainbow has to me a more universal thing. In Italy, they call it the peace flag. Exactly. As Councilman Carlson had mentioned, the back to blue mural, they are saying taking them all out. They are distracting. As you mentioned, the data shows regarding like the crosswalks to classrooms, the awards that were given, the acknowledgment of it makes the road safer. Why? People go, what is that and they slow down. That's what we need. We have speeders, people who are distracted with their phones and other things, but this is about the safety of our -- you know, this was implemented not because we wanted something pretty, but it is a public safety thing. To improve public safety and visibility. In regards to hampton terrace and their median, why, because I know a lot of people there and I'm always there, it's to beautify the neighborhood. Art is beautiful. My grandmother was a painter. If you look at the painting outside my office, my grandmother painted it. Art has always been a part of my life. With all the problems that we have in this world, and we have serious problems. We go outside, there are people that are homeless, houseless. We have people that can't afford housing. I can go on and on. And this is the fight that we picked today, not us. I'm saying like this is what is happening. A shooting in a catholic church yesterday. My mother glued to the tv going, those poor children. She has grandkids those ages. That could have been sophia. That could have been mia. Praying. The church to me is my peaceful place. It's like nothing is sacred, nothing is safe, so let's fight crosswalks, let's fight art, that has proven to show it makes people happy, it keeps kids safer. There are so many positive things. Here we are that we have to create this resolution and go, we have a $2 billion budget, we have a million people coming tonight to talk about future land uses and things. This is what we're doing. I'm not criticizing you. I compliment you, but it's like there are so many other problems in this world. This is what we spend our time having to fight.

Luis Viera

1:01:03PM Thank you, madam chair. Obviously, I'll be supporting this. There is another part to this, which is what I call community values. These murals and crosswalks go to community values, some of which tallahassee doesn't support, and we saw it at its ugliest in Orlando. Obviously, we all agree with the mural leading up to pulse where 49 people were murdered because they are gay, because they are from lgbt community. The murals that I've seen in our local area, we obviously have the police mural that supports our police officers. I obviously support our police officers. We have murals that point to black history and how, you know, that we have such a critical ignored black history in our state and in our community, ranging from when 4 million people were emancipated after the Civil War, to reconstruction, Jim Crow onward to today, ranging to respect and dignity for lgbt population. And so I think that communities have a right to express their values. Whether it's for first responders, whether it's for gay and lesbian folks, whether it's on black history through murals, so long as they meet certain safety standards, which these, according to my knowledge and understanding do, I do think those community values, so long as they are positive and inclusive and talk about the family of america, I support that. And why suddenly this is the new outrage from tallahassee, it blows my mind what these people get so angry about. So, yeah, support it and thank you for doing this.

Lynn Hurtak

1:02:35PM So we have a resolution. We have someone who has proposed a resolution.

Alan Clendenin

1:02:46PM I didn't want to shove this down everybody's throat. If people were comfortable passing this today, that's fine. If they want to defer it to another time, that's fine, too. I wanted to get it out here because so timely, so many things happening, so much hurt happening right now, I thought it was timely to have our voices heard.

Lynn Hurtak

1:03:04PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

1:03:06PM Thank you. Just a reminder that was what was passed out was an earlier version. Language remains the same but given a substitute version to the clerk with minor changes in formatting and punctuation. Mind you, so what you have in front of you is not actually what the clerk has now, but ultimately what you sign will get signed also by the clerk and also numbered. And that will be the official version. If you want to distribute that one --

Alan Clendenin

1:03:34PM The one we have is -- is this the updated one?

Martin Shelby

1:03:38PM No, it is not. It is not what the clerk has. We can e-mail you what the clerk has. So that way if you should distribute it, I would rather you distribute the one numbered and signed by the chair.

Lynn Hurtak

1:03:55PM We have a motion. Council member Carlson.

Bill Carlson

1:04:05PM You missed what I said earlier. I think if we took out some of the inflammatory language and asked him to allow us to keep the ones for safety reasons, it would be better. I'm very involved in the arts community. The governor went after some organizations in the arts community last year, some of them were in Tampa and talked about them. My advice to them was if you pick a fight, think about what happened to bob iger and disney. Bob iger was potentially a presidential candidate, and disney lost that battle. It's affected all kinds of things at disney because they went into that battle. I think the better course -- if we pick a fight, we're going to lose because he has the national media, the state media. What we can win is to maybe protect some of the safety measures that are in there that are protecting kids. The other ones will have to come down. There's no way he's not going to force those to come down, including the back to blue one. We might be able to save some of them if we pleaded on safety reasons.

Alan Clendenin

1:05:16PM I'll contend that we didn't start it. It's not actionable. We're not withholding resources. All we're doing is strong, decisive wording and based on the actions he's taken. I think everything else is mincing words. This is a strong item, it originated at pulse. It's come here. With all the issues in the City of Tampa with the kids, the crosswalks and all the things happening, I'd rather not water down the language because I'm that outraged by it.

Lynn Hurtak

1:05:47PM Okay.

Charlie Miranda

1:05:49PM I'll chip in on this. I understand what council member Carlson is saying. If that was to happen, then we know why he's doing it. It's a political -- I'm not getting involved with anybody in government. I'm telling you them, him, they, her, whatever, your turn will come -- the wave will come to an end.

Luis Viera

1:06:17PM Obviously, I missed the beginning. Mr. Shelby, this has been reviewed for legal sufficiency and all that good stuff.

Alan Clendenin

1:06:29PM [Inaudible]

Martin Shelby

1:06:30PM What you have in front of you is approved by me as to form. As to the content, I will tell you that I have received a copy of it this morning and so has the city attorney.

Lynn Hurtak

1:06:46PM I have a motion. Do I have a second? Seconded by council member -- I have a motion by Chair Clendenin, second by council member Viera.

Charlie Miranda

1:06:56PM Make it clear which one we're voting on.

Lynn Hurtak

1:06:59PM The one with the staple. The most recent one with the correct punctuation. Two sided.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:07PM I flunked punctuation is what I've been told.

Lynn Hurtak

1:07:11PM Any other comments? Okay, all in favor say aye. Any opposed?

Alan Clendenin

1:07:19PM Thank you.

Guido Maniscalco

1:07:20PM Move to receive and file.

Lynn Hurtak

1:07:24PM I think Mr. Viera may have something. And while you were out, Ms. Kopesky, we sang happy birthday to you.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:32PM You'll have to roll the tape.

Charlie Miranda

1:07:34PM Believe me, you don't want to hear the recording.

Luis Viera

1:07:38PM She was in a meeting with me. We have an in-person presentation on September 18th regarding fire station 24. I wanted to motion specifically that this in-person presentation, presently set to be in person, include updates on the following issues. I have it here for the clerk, et cetera, on the design both internal, external, including current total square footage, recommended stormwater solution with visual map, recommended power line solution with timeline to align with TECO, outcome of the grand tree assessment preliminary facade images. I'm reading this just for the record. Hagar wrote all this for me as you can probably tell. Percentage of impervious surface space, number of employees that will staff the station upon occupancy, estimated date for public input, updated project schedule reflecting key milestones, any risk of opportunities to project schedule or opportunities, excuse me and current budget assessments by line item. Just that they be able to opine on this. They can do this in written form, but just so they have a response and I have this here from Ms. Kopesky. This is September 18. It's already on the calendar.

Martin Shelby

1:08:54PM This is a motion to amend the motion and you'll provide that to the clerk.

Alan Clendenin

1:08:58PM Motion to give very specific clarification. We have a motion from Councilman Viera adding a clarification to the already existing item. We had a second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

Guido Maniscalco

1:09:13PM Move to receive and file.

Alan Clendenin

1:09:14PM Before we go, speaking of that, I know we did this once before. Our previous conversation, if you all would go through future agenda, see staff reports, because there are things in here for years. Things that maybe we could remove and update and reinvigorate it, put a new one on. Take it as an iou. Reinvent it, bring it back to council so we can do it.

Luis Viera

1:09:44PM I have a friend, he is a City of Tampa resident, manuel Rivera, four years ago today his son nadji was murdered. A picture of nadji there with his mother and father. He was a king high school graduate.

Alan Clendenin

1:10:01PM Gun violence.

Luis Viera

1:10:03PM Yeah. Party. Tragic. They haven't found the murderers and his parents have to live with that every day. It was his only son. His only son. He wanted to become a mechanic like his dad. Just wanted to acknowledge that publicly.

Alan Clendenin

1:10:17PM It's a huge stain on our entire society that we can't resolve this issue. It's so sad. Choose not to resolve, yeah. We have a motion to receive and file from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. We'll see you all at 5:01 p.m. thank you. Disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings may need to hire a court reporter. ▶ meeting video the information contained in these pages represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Persons requiring a verbatim transcript may need to hire a court reporter. © - City of Tampa (813) 274-8211