City Council — November 20, 2025

Alan Clendenin

11:03:49AM -- council at a later called meeting. For those of you that don't know, today was the great american teach-in. I think all of the members participated this morning. We had a great day at Hillsborough county schools. Councilman Maniscalco, would you like to talk about --

Guido Maniscalco

11:05:49AM Sure. I went to Williams middle magnet school with the 6th, 7th, 8th graders. Spoke in the gym. Wonderful group of students. We got to take part in this because it's been quite a few years. Council members are always on that Thursday morning. So thank you to council member Henderson for bringing this up I believe earlier this year and giving us this opportunity.

Alan Clendenin

11:06:13AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:06:13AM I started out with fourth graders at potter elementary and then Williams middle magnet. I talked to 6th, 7th, 8th graders. Man, that is a lot of energy and a lot of different, you know, you think you remember. I taught for ten years. You think you can get back on the bike. Man, I was a little rusty. Have to admit. Now I'm used to trying to persuade and talk to adults. It was a lot of fun. I'm really glad we got the chance to do it. I hope we make it an annual event.

Naya Young

11:06:48AM I was at potter elementary speaking to third graders. Very, very fun. Had a lot of really great questions, down to how old I am and if I'm married.

Alan Clendenin

11:07:02AM No personal boundaries.

Naya Young

11:07:04AM None whatsoever. It was really, really fun and they asked great questions. It was a lot of fun.

Alan Clendenin

11:07:11AM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

11:07:12AM I slept in. No, I'm joking. I went to twin lakes elementary, principal otis kitchen, a wonderful person, invited me. Had a great time. Probably a third of the class was from Cuba or Venezuela and came here in the last five years, so my spanish came in handy.

Bill Carlson

11:07:31AM I went to plant high and spoke to 10th and 11th graders Florida history class, super cool. I started trying to tell them stories and they knew the stories already. Even real deep-cut stories. The other thing in the american government class, they were asking really tough questions. Really, really tough questions. It was worse than this. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

11:07:57AM Worse than this. Where is Stephanie? [ laughter ]

Bill Carlson

11:08:02AM A couple of things. They don't like the idea of toilet to tap. They think we have too many potholes.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:08AM They don't want to drink poop water.

Bill Carlson

11:08:14AM They like the rays but don't want us to raise taxes to support them.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:17AM I joined Councilwoman Hurtak and Councilman Maniscalco at the middle school. I spoke to 8th graders. I lost sleep thinking I'm walking into a classroom and it wasn't just a classroom, it was a cafeteria filled with 8th graders. Multiple classrooms. It pretty much replicates what you all said. The questions were amazing. They had me on my toes the whole time. They had no sense of personal boundary. Asked how much we made. They did not ask if I was married. I keep telling them I keep my options open. [ laughter ] no, but it was good. It was really, really good. It was great. I got a round of applause but only because they asked me who my favorite president was and I said Barack Obama. That brought down the house. It wasn't for me, but for that. It was really good. Very good. Thank you for Hillsborough county schools for hosting us and to all the students, if you're listening. Please, god, I hope you're not. But thank you for being kind. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:09:22AM Should we put this into our calendar for next year? I know we haven't started the meeting yet, but can I make a motion that when the clerk's office is scheduling for 2026, to make sure that we start again at 11 on the great american teach-in day?

Alan Clendenin

11:09:41AM I'll use chair privilege to waive the rules and entertain a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. I heard Councilwoman Young. First. All in favor? Aye.

Bill Carlson

11:09:53AM As I was trying to leave At 10:30, they padlocked my car and wouldn't let me leave. I had to beg them to leave because they wanted us to stay the whole day.

Alan Clendenin

11:10:03AM You're right. Correct. Invocation. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:10:08AM Thank you very much. It is my pleasure today to welcome pastor kerry nance, a native floridian traveled to West Virginia in 1992 to serve the calvary baptist church for 11 years before being called back to Tampa in 2003 when he started the southside baptist church, where he is currently the pastor. Pastor nance graduated from trinity baptist college with a bachelor of arts in Bible in 1992 and a masters of ministry in 2006. Along with joining the Tampa Police chaplain in 2004, pastor nance has served on the boards of hope children home, Jehovah jireh ministries, heartland baptist Bible college, and global independent baptist ministries. Married for 32 years, kerry and amy, his wife, are blessed with three children who enjoy traveling, fishing, rooting for the buccaneers, and flying around the Tampa skies with his single aircraft pilot license. Pastor nance, come on up and please stand for the invocation. Our Father, we want to thank you for the opportunity to come into your presence. Lord, we're humbled that you not only hear our prayer, but, lord, that you are a great god and you're able to answer those prayers. We thank you that you are a god that is so full of mercy and a god that is full of grace. We thank you, lord, that you have been kind to the City of Tampa, lord, as we are nearing the end of hurricane season, we're reminded this year of how good you've been to us and how you have blessed us and protected the city. Lord, there have been times in storms where we have seen the devastation of those, but, lord, we thank you for what you have done for us. Lord, you have blessed the city with so many things and you've blessed the finances, and you've blessed, lord, in just areas of tourism and, lord, we just thank you for that. Lord, as we come to this council meeting, lord, I thank you for our leaders that you have given to us. Lord, we ask that you would put your wisdom and your hand of blessing upon their lives. I think of our mayor. I think of our Tampa Police, our firefighters. Lord, those that, lord, so frequently and daily put themselves on the line. Lord, we ask your blessing and your protection on their lives. Lord, as this City Council, lord, makes decisions and as they navigate through problems of Tampa, lord, I'm sure that there are times when it is overbearing as they are trying to figure out the best way forward. God, I do pray that you would help them to look to you and that they would find your wisdom and, lord, your ability and your grace abundant in their life. Lord, would you bless them and would you meet their personal needs and their family needs and whatever needs that they may have, may you help them in those areas. Lord, would you guide the City of Tampa, would you bless it, would you protect it. God, we thank you for your grace. We thank you for the person of Jesus Christ and the grace given to him through him. Lord it is in his name we pray. Amen. [Pledge of allegiance]

Alan Clendenin

11:13:37AM Those 8th graders had me sweating this morning. I took my jacket off in the office. I forgot to wear it. I looked at myself in the camera. Something doesn't look right. I don't have my jacket on.

Guido Maniscalco

11:13:59AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

11:14:00AM Here.

Naya Young

11:14:01AM Here.

Luis Viera

11:14:01AM Here.

Bill Carlson

11:14:02AM Here.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:05AM Here.

The clerk

11:14:06AM You have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:09AM Councilman Miranda is recovering at home and is missing this meeting. He should be back I believe in the office tomorrow. We look forward to his arrival. We need a motion to adopt the minutes from our regular session on November 6, 2025, evening session held on November 13, is 2025, and our special called meeting on November 10, 2025. I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. A moment to put on my jacket. Not done gracefully. I see the best Supervisor of Elections in the State of Florida sitting in our audience. Hi, supervisor craig latimer. How are you doing, my friend? Welcome to Tampa City Council. Best government offices in the city. We need to approve the agenda.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:10AM I am pulling items 24 and 28 for discussion to be heard together. They are both about parks, and we're going to be talking about funding.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:20AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Carlson to pull 24 and 28 and heard together. All those in favor aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. 24 and 28 will be heard together.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:30AM Additionally, I am working with staff to get answers to item 36. So I ask that it be pulled for now, to not vote on, so if I don't get answers, we'll talk about it later. If I get answers and I'm okay, then we don't need to talk about it.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:49AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to pull 36. Second from Carlson. In favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Anything else from the consent agenda?

Bill Carlson

11:16:00AM What do you think about item 39? It is an audit but a lot of concern in the public about how much money we've been spending in the Convention Center and where it's going and what's happening. This raises some questions about it.

Lynn Hurtak

11:16:12AM If you want to talk about it, pull it.

Bill Carlson

11:16:14AM Motion to pull 39.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:16AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. That's to pull item 39 for discussion. That's it for the consent agenda. Let's go through staff reports. There's no administrative update. 68 is with 69. Do we need staff? No. nothing for 68 and 69. Thank you. 70 is required. It is a presentation only. 70 will be a presentation only. 71, do we need staff for 71? Hearing none, no staff for 71. 72, staff will be present for 72. 73 -- sorry.

Lynn Hurtak

11:17:07AM 72 and 73, yes. Yes. Absolutely.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:18AM 72 staff is here. 73 staff is going to be here. 74 yes. 75.

Lynn Hurtak

11:17:28AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:29AM They are going to be present. Already notified. 76, I guess -- our staff is sitting over there on the chair.

Lynn Hurtak

11:17:37AM We can move the resolution after public comment.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:40AM No staff. We'll be moving the resolution. Anybody have anything for the written reports? Are they good for receive and file?

Guido Maniscalco

11:17:49AM Move to receive and file written reports.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:52AM We have a motion to move -- receive and file 77, 78, 79 from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

11:18:07AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

11:18:08AM We have a motion to continue item 80 to January 22, 2026 from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you so much.

Lynn Hurtak

11:18:18AM Move to approve the agenda.

Alan Clendenin

11:18:19AM We have a motion to approve the agenda from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak, you want to say something?

Lynn Hurtak

11:18:29AM No. I was just thinking.

Alan Clendenin

11:18:31AM That's all right. Because we're starting late today and we have some consequential things on the agenda today, it has the potential of being a long day. We'll try to avoid that. I've asked the clerk to set the timer on all speakers, including councilpersons so we can keep the agenda flowing and moving today. Just fyi.

Bill Carlson

11:19:00AM Did you say something about the incident last weekend in ybor?

Alan Clendenin

11:19:04AM I have not.

Bill Carlson

11:19:05AM I would like to say real fast, there was a shooting in ybor last week. Someone passed away. At least want to send condolences. In instances like this the TPD does an analysis of it, and we don't have any inside information more than what the public sees. So if the public has any information or they think we could help the families in some way or help the community, please contact us. We're working hard to try to make sure incidents don't happen across the city. But when they do, we want to make sure that we help the grieving families and community.

Alan Clendenin

11:19:50AM Thank you. Also, just understand this is an open investigation. There's nothing for us to pontificate about right now. Very good. Also, for the agenda, we are going to break -- we'll have a quick lunch, 1 to 1:30. So we'll be up at 1-ish if we can get out of here. But we'll be back 30 minutes after we break. It will be a quick lunch so we can move the agenda through today. Let's move to commendations and presentations. Councilman Viera, you are recognized.

Luis Viera

11:20:27AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is a real pleasure to be here today. We have a 30 second video, if we may show it, that will kind of highlight what I'm going to briefly talk about here. If i.t. Can do it.

Alan Clendenin

11:20:40AM Roll the film.

Luis Viera

11:21:13AM Thank you very much to our friends at i.t. Here we have Ms. Valerie Soberon with her wife priscilla who is here. We have logan and kelsey. Good to see you all. Guys, I wanted to honor Valerie. Some of you all may have met Valerie through her work with vision zero. Ten years ago this year that Valerie lost her daughter lexy when she was crossing Busch Boulevard to go to chamberlain high school. Anytime someone loses a loved one, especially a child, it is the kind of trauma no one anticipates and no one can really bear. Valerie went through a lot of challenges. She would eventually become an amazing safety advocate for vision zero, not just in the North Tampa area but throughout all of the City of Tampa. I met Valerie when I first got elected about nine years ago. Her passion is very, very evident. Prior to the time that lexy was taken away from her and killed on Busch Boulevard, Valerie struggled a lot. As you saw over there and she is very open about this, she had been arrested a number of times. Valerie was, in fact, a victim of human trafficking for labor and other purposes for six years. As I'll talk about, she recently had her record expunged in the 13th Judicial Circuit Court that's available for victims of human trafficking to get their records expunged. 2018 thanks to amendment 4, she was able to get her voting rights restored, which is very, very important. So after lexy was taken from her, she continued with many, many different challenges, substance abuse and different things like that. But with the help of her family, her faith in god, she is a very, very dedicated Christian, she would eventually find the strength to become an activist and to really, really show truth to power in safety issues. One of the reasons I really wanted to honor Valerie because she's gone from a woman who couldn't vote because she had all these convictions to being addicted to substances, to being a victim of human trafficking to now just recently getting her masters in social work at the University of South Florida. [ applause ] let's give a round of applause. That is a big deal, guys. She is an inspiration to people. We deal a lot on City Council with the issue of Returning Citizens. People who make mistakes and who like Valerie just want to be able to provide for their team and live a life of decency. That's what she has been able to do. For that and so much more, we wanted to honor her. Just honor her for her total life journey. Valerie is a very dedicated Christian. I always think about the story of st. peter who was told by Jesus before the -- I think about the third time that he denied Jesus and the shame that peter must have had, the utter shame. But he came back to be the rock. Peter, the rock of the church. Valerie had some challenges in her life, but she's come back to be a rock for other people. For that and so much more, we wanted to honor Valerie and her family for their work and journey. Let's give them another round of applause. [ applause ] it is truly an honor, kind of bittersweet that my daughter is not here to celebrate this with me. But due to her passing, it has brought me on this journey that I'm on now. I know that she sees me, but I just want to say that I'll never stop being her voice and through her passing has made me a better person. I will strive to be that better person to help others that have struggled the way I have. I want to thank everybody. Thank you. [ applause ]

11:25:14AM I wanted to also note gina Torres is here with the tpo/mpo, and big advocate for different things in traffic safety. Council, if you would like to say anything, you may.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:26AM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:25:28AM Congratulations. Well deserved. Thank you for being an inspiration. My wife's name is Valerie and she is finishing up her masters. Let me tell you what, it's not easy. Knowing you have done it and everything that you have been through, it just goes to show that you can just never give up. And you're living proof. Really, I feel inspired today in what you have done in the last several years are amazing. And this is just a little token of appreciation. We certainly appreciate. Congratulations. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:57AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:25:58AM Congratulations to you and your entire journey and the wonderful thing about what you have chosen to do now is you are -- you can use everything that you've been through to help people moving forward and just the empathy that you develop for folks. Everything you've gone through is just helps prepare you for the journey ahead. I cannot wait to hear. I know you will help so many families and so many people. I know your family is and should be incredibly proud of you. I'm so glad they could be here today. Congratulations. Just really, really wonderful. And thank you, Councilman Viera, for bringing this forward. What a great way to start the day.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:42AM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

11:26:44AM Congratulations. You have an amazing story. I find it amazing when people can tell their story and use that story to help other people. Just congratulations to you. I am familiar with the vision zero program, and it is a wonderful program. We had it at a nonprofit over the summer and we work with our kids with vision zero. It's awesome. Congratulations to you.

Alan Clendenin

11:27:14AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:27:15AM Thank you for keeping alive the memory of your daughter. You know, because you've been working with the city and the mayor and City Council have set vision zero as a priority. We wish we had more money to do more, but it is important that other mothers don't have to go through what you've gone through. Your personal journey, also as my colleague said, is very inspiring. There are people all over the city of all income levels who have gone through what you've gone through and haven't been as successful. Ask any of the first responders, especially in South Tampa, the number one thing they respond to, and it's all tied to stress and depression, loneliness. People abuse all different kinds of drugs. The fact that you've been able to be so incredibly successful and you have this great future. I hope that we can help you in some way to inspire other people to go through the same thing. If you can help us figure out how to motivate more people to do what you've done, this will be a really incredible community going forward. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:25AM Thank you. Thank you for coming forward and sharing your story. Thank you, Councilman Viera, for bringing it to our attention. It is inspirational and moving and my heart breaks for your loss as well. Thank you very much. [ applause ]

11:28:49AM Now we have a presentation from the Planning Commission on redistricting. Good morning. This is yassert gonzalez from the Planning Commission.

11:29:09AM You started with your name, so you are starting off well. We're here with Mr. Latimer, which you recognized. And also here with Ms. Zornitta, the executive director of the Planning Commission. This morning I'll be talking about the districting for City Council district, the four single member City Council districts ahead of the 2027 municipal election. Short agenda. I'll go over the timeline. Why are we doing this? Why redistrict? The rules, process as well as alternatives. We launched on October 15. Again, the website is live and we send out letters. We send out e-mails. This year, we are always innovating. Contacting high frequency voters by e-mail that are in the precincts that may potentially be moved. We always do it different ways. One of the innovations we have this year. Come January and February, we're going to have open houses. We'll go to the communities and invite people to come in and look at the maps, ask questions. Our first public hearing will be at that time. Then march will be our second and final public hearing. Again, this is all in the Planning Commission. Once the Planning Commission approves it, it gets proclaimed by the supervisor of election and staff and then we come back to you sometime that summer to let you know what the new districts look like. Why? Why are we doing this? First of all, we have 20,000 new neighbors. That is the population of punta gorda and also -- either-or, moving in. All the wonderful activity that comes with that. That means we need to readjust the population. They have come out of sync. We're here in 2026 for the 2027 election and will be here for the next election. Legal requirements, first of all, we're only required to do public hearings and they are in the evenings. Nonetheless, we have traditionally held open houses and continue to do that. Four in person and two virtual. Those dates are being worked on. We have to move entire precincts. We cannot split precincts. Our goal is complete, compact and contiguous districts. Total population is what we do as the measure. The Planning Commission will see four options, such as the public as well. There will be a staff recommendation and approving the staff recommendation or going with whatever option they like. Once that happens, Supervisor of Elections proclaims them and we come back in the summer. Now, this is not typical. There are many ways of redistricting, but one of the futures, for City Council members -- we have a conservative approach. Trying to minimize potential negative impacts. Some people may assume, oh, you use -- per the constitution and supreme court cases we use total population. No voting age population and voting by race. The range is the metric we use as a key measure. We take the highest population minus the lowest population. That difference over the average will give us a range. 8.36 percent. We'll talk about that more later. How was population estimated? We go to the census. We have the option of using our internal numbers from the Planning Commission, but for transparency, people can download the data and check our work. We allocate population because the census boundaries and precinct boundaries do not match exactly, we have to do allocation based on housing units. Again, we need to reduce the range to 5%. 8.36% right now. We have a -- because of different legal limitations. As you know, pound the pavement and different democratic processes. We have one precinct five acres. Over near the USF. And another one that is 7,000 acres. That includes the air force base. We don't always have -- so we also have limitations with how we move. Council district 7, as you all know, but for the benefit of everybody else, includes the USF and New Tampa. It is the most populous districts. Council district 5 is the least populous. So they will be gaining precincts. 21 movable precincts. All sorts of limitations. If we moved you four years ago, we're not moving you now. Here are finally all of the alternatives. 8.36 percent is the range. Trying to reduce it to five. All alternatives are reducing that to five, less than five. Right now, we'll quickly go over each alternative and the number of precincts being moved. First one is alternative one. Precinct 151, 169 and 342 are potentially moving under this alternative. 151 moves from council district 6 to four. 169 moves from 5 to 6. 342 moves from council district 7 to council district 5. Precinct 42, precinct 169 and precinct 151. The reason we put in the detail, I vote at this baptist church or I vote at this lodge. It's easier for them to see it. Alternative 2 is the simplest alternative. Only one move. That's it. Precinct 345 from council district 7, most populous to council district 5, least populous. Precinct 345 is right here. Now, this is another alternative. Alternative 2 and 4 share that one precinct. Alternative 3, we have three precincts. 249, 350 -- they come in tandem. They represent Forest Hills and oddly shaped. They have to move together. You'll see that once you see the map. They'll move from council district 7 to council district 6. Precinct 320 is moving to council district 5. 249 and 250, 249 is a sliver, goes around the border of the city, unincorporated county in that area. And 249. We need to bring them together. 320 is going from 6 to 5. There's been some discussion. We already heard push-back. This is a natural option because they are at the border and you have council district 7 being most populous. Nonetheless we acknowledge that the neighborhood would prefer to stay where they are at. Something for the Planning Commission to decide. Lastly, alternative 4. Three precincts. 141, 207, 345. 141 moves from council district 6 to district 4. 207, five to six and 345 moving from 7 to 5. 345 saw in alternative 2. 207 over here is going to 5 to 6 and 141 coming down to council district 4. Once again, key date. February-March is when we have public hearings. Usually in the evenings per the charter. Faithfully following the charter, in the evenings. Present four options. Present four options to the commissioners. They are going to go over and -- we'll be back with you once Mr. Latimer and all proclaim, to let you know what the new boundaries are. How can you help us? You can reach out to your stakeholders. Because of your participation in the processes have outreach activities that may be able to help us. For the Planning Commission post, like send out a link. We have individual meetings with you all. You have some materials. Anything you can do to help us promote. Now, we do understand that not everybody, over 99% of the people are not going to be affected because the precinct is not moving. Only moving two or three precincts out of 143. Most will not be affected. That will be all for me. Yassert gonzalez, Planning Commission. Here to answer any questions.

11:39:25AM How do you get a qr code with a dinosaur? [ laughter ]

Lynn Hurtak

11:39:37AM I want to say thank you for this. I know our office is working with you on some of the neighborhood stuff, but I do want to ask when you get the dates for the meetings, pass them on to us so we can pass them on. Thank you so much for the presentation. It was very clear and easy to understand.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:55AM For the first time you are never going to outdo that one. Great presentation. Thank you very much. Always been astute observations, always a fixture in the presentation. Fast recovery for him.

11:40:11AM Had Charlie been here, we would have lasted that much longer because he would have been talking stories about every district. Supervisor latimer, would you like to say anything since you are here? Election. We work hand in hand with the Planning Commission on this. My main job is to make sure they don't mess up our precincts, which they don't. This is actually a great process because it's done every four years. As yassert says, it doesn't impact a lot of people. It just impacts a couple of precincts throughout the city. If there are any questions of me, I will be more than happy to respond.

11:40:50AM I've got a good briefing. I'm satisfied. Honored to have you in our chambers. Thank you. The voting roll data. Very helpful and patient.

11:41:10AM He's got good staff. Thank you very much. We are ready for public comment.

Martin Shelby

11:41:28AM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. I will try to be brief, if I can, to talk about the rules of decorum for today's public comments. Now, by this point in time, you should have filled out a speaker public comment card, which is available outside. And you put them in the box. One card per speaker. Cards are accepted again until the start of general public comment. Each person speaking, a card will be recognized by name to approach and speak. Three minute time limit applies. Please print legibly because names that cannot be read cannot be called. To speak at a public hearing, if you are here to speak on an item on the agenda that is set for a public hearing and it's designated as a public hearing, you will have that opportunity when the time is heard later in the agenda. No public comments will be taken during things set for staff reports. The time to speak about those items and items on the consent agenda is now during the general public comment. But if you wish to speak at a public comment, don't fill out the speaker card. Please use the sign-in sheet out front. If you need any help, just please ask staff. Now, speakers and members of the public are also reminded to please refrain from disruptive behavior, including making vulgar or threatening remarks or making or causing disruptive noises or sounds or displaying signs or graphics. The Chair Will rule out of order any person who speaks without being recognized or attempts to address the City Council from outside the speaker area at the podium. Persons failing to comply with council rules may also be ruled out of order and at the discretion of the chair, may be removed from the chambers for the remainder of today's meeting. Finally, City Council should refrain from engaging a speaker during public comment. And members of the public, please be aware that City Council does not take questions or have a dialogue with you during general public comment. It's your opportunity to express your position to the City Council. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:43:36AM Thank you, Mr. Shelby. So we are going to start our day with Pamela colker. My name is Pamela colker. I live at 614 Superior Avenue on Davis island. I am here today for item 61 -- 60 and 61.

Martin Shelby

11:44:12AM That is a public hearing, I believe. So I have to wait. I'm fine with that.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:18AM Go ahead, Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

11:44:20AM If it is set for a public hearing, the time to speak to it is when that item is called up. They called my name.

11:44:29AM That's okay. Again, if you are here to speak on items for public hearings, there is a speaker sign-in sheet at the podium outside. For the clerk to have your name, fill it out over there. I understand what happened. Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:45AM How about rich garner? Same thing.

11:44:53AM Carroll ann Bennett. Followed by Stephanie poynor. You all are my third City Council. I have been speaking to City Council since 2018 about raising these impact fees because -- and that's what I'm here to talk about today. We should not be subsidizing profits. We should not be subsidizing people moving here. If you don't raise the fees, it doesn't mean that the things that become free. Santa claus is not going to deliver paving and sidewalks. And ultimately, we pay for it one way or the other. The difference is the people who are creating the impact should be paying for their impact. It's right there in the name. And the argument about it increasing the cost of housing is a little smoke and mirrors. The definition of market rate housing is that housing that is sold at prevailing prices determined by the open market, they can change based on -- they get no subsidies. Sorry, I lost my place. It's based on the property's features and the local economic conditions. The builders and developers are selling at market rate. They get out their little notebook and say this is how much the property costs. This is how much the building is going to cost. This is how much I can get for it. And this is my profit. They don't look and say, ooh, that profit is too big. I need to discount my price. I'm going to lower it and charge less. That's not what they do. They charge market rate. They charge what they can get. The price of housing is not going to go up by changing the fees. Because if they could charge more, they would already be doing it. They are not discounting it because you all charge lower fees. That is an inaccurate argument, and it should not be considered. We need these things to be funded, and we need the people who are creating the need to fund them. And I would like to see people put their money where their mouth is when it comes to funding things like the fires and the fire stations. They need to be funded. They should be funded. My family has been supporting the fire and police since the '50s. And we are happy to do so. But the people who are moving here and creating a new need for new fire and police, they need to do the same. So channelside, their CRA needs to be contributing more money to the General Fund to build a new fire station. Please make a motion today to have a public safety impact fee so that our firefighters can get the funding they need instead of saying the rest of the city has to pay for it instead of the people who are creating the need. Thank you.

11:48:07AM Thank you, carroll ann. Stephanie poynor. Followed by Tarah Bluma. Stephanie poynor. I support everything carroll ann just said. Number 24, gadsden park, $325,000 for a deck. But no reference to what they are going to spend the rest of the money on. I'm sorry, but the last time that anybody spent a bunch of money in South Tampa on a park was for a monument for $375,000 that nobody wanted to start with. It's a congregation point for the homeless. So I would like to see where we are spending, how they are spending the money and where the money will go. Three-quarters of a million dollars is a lot of money. I've seen other park and rec motions come through that had what they would do with the money. This one does not. The other one that came through last year was for solar panels on a building that didn't need it and you guys shot it down. Let's define where we are going to spend three-quarters of a million dollars. Number 36, this is something the budget committee actually asked for, which was the building inventory. And it said that it was supposed to be between 300 and 400 thousand dollars. Now it is going to be $800,000 and bid-build in there. What are we building? Why are we building something? They are just supposed to be taking inventory the last I heard. Number 66. It might be okay. But the problem is when you start putting limitations on bicycling inordinately. It's funny, I talked to some white folks this morning who said don't really see a problem with that. I talked to African American folks and they go, ooh, that is ugly. If it's okay, it's okay. But if not, I don't want six months from now hear black while biking again. I don't want to hear it down the road. If you're not aware, that is white privilege. Not something pay attention to, that's white privilege. Please note that. Number 53, $732,000 for generator support from the same company that's been providing generator support who only got satisfactory. Since 2021. These guys have been doing the generator support for four years, and they do a satisfactory job, again, three-quarters of a million dollars spending on generators that did not work last year. They did not work. I don't care if they didn't have diesel in them. These people were making damn good money to keep the equipment up and running. The number one thing coming out of their mouth should have been, hey, you know you don't have fuel there for the generators. That is a commonsense thing. That's what I would do as a property manager. That's my job, to prepare for hurricanes. The extended family units. It says that they cannot charge family members. My mother was a drunk. I owned her house. I made her pay me rent. You know why? If not, she drank the money. Just because you are taking care of a parent doesn't mean they shouldn't pay to support themselves at least to some degree. Military should be exempt.

11:51:20AM Tarah Bluma followed by MaryBeth Williams. I am here to talk about agenda item 24 and the money being reallocated from small neighborhood parks to dock and gadsden park. First of all, it is like a scavenger hunt looking for information on various City of Tampa websites for no reason. There probably is a reason and we don't want to hear that one either. But supporting documents can and should be listed as attachments in the agenda item. It says $774,000 is getting moved to gadsden park. There is no information about what is happening at gadsden park listed on the worldwide web. I heard a rumor it is for ADA improvements, which is wonderful. I fully support money going to gadsden. I want to reiterate that. We have special needs sports teams that play at gadsden park, and that park currently is the definition of inaccessible. So that's wonderful. I can't find that actually written down anywhere. If that is what the money is going for, there is already a line item in the budget for citywide parks and rec ADA improvements. Why is the money not coming out of that line item? Finally, it is coming from small park improvements. You all want walkable neighborhoods, and you want people to be able to walk to parks, yet you only have $2 million in these small neighborhood park budgets. This proposal is to take half of that money out. What are you going to accomplish with a million dollars in the whole city with 96 neighborhood parks? Also, ADA improvements, I don't consider to be a small neighborhood park improvement. That would be something like repainting the lines of the tennis court at the Port Tampa community center, which, by the way, does need to be done. Thank you.

11:53:38AM MaryBeth Williams, followed by pam cannella. Good morning. I'm here to speak today on item number 66.

11:53:56AM Start with your name, please. Executive director of Friends of the Riverwalk. On behalf of our board of directors and the thousands of residents and visitors who enjoy the riverwalk each week, I'm here to express our strong support of the proposed ordinance amending section 1653 of the Tampa code. Which enhances safety regulations for bicycles, e-bikes, scooters, and other wheel devices on multipurpose trails within city parks. As stewards of one of Tampa's most heavily visited public spaces, we work every day to ensure that the riverwalk is safe, accessible, and enjoyable for all users. Families with children, seniors, joggers, tourists, and commuters alike. In recent years, we've seen a significant increase in high speed and unsafe riding behaviors, large organized bicycle groups with stunt activity that has created real conflict in close-call incidents with pedestrians. While we welcome diverse forms of recreation on the riverwalk, we also recognize the need for clear, enforceable standards that protect the public. This ordinance provides exactly that by establishing consistent rules like staying to the right, limiting riding two abreast, prohibiting wheelies and stunts and setting unreasonable speed and safety requirements. The city is taking proactive steps to reduce accidents and ensure that pedestrians remain the priority on these shared use paths. Just as importantly, the ordinance aligns riverwalk and Bayshore rules with state bicycle regulations creating clarity for both residents and law enforcement. We appreciate that the ordinance includes a structured penalty system which will help promote compliance while giving officers the tools they need to address unsafe behavior before someone gets injured. Friends of the Riverwalk is committed to working with the city, the Police Department, and the Parks and Recreation Department as well as our community partners to help educate the public about these rules and ensure a smooth transition once adopted. We believe this ordinance is a necessary step in preserving the riverwalk as a safe, vibrant, and welcoming public space. For everybody who depends on the exercise, transportation, and recreation. Thank you for your continued partnership and for the leadership in protecting one of Tampa's most cherished community assets.

11:56:24AM Thank you very much. Pam cannella followed by kella mccaskill. I'm addressing number 72. Still not enough being done by Stormwater Department. All areas of Tampa still need their storm system addressed with cleaning. Although we are led to believe it is all getting done, it is not. There are facts to prove otherwise. We were lucky this year. With no rain and no hurricane. I know we were not prepared. There is limited manpower available for all of Tampa's stormwater drainage system, for cleanup to catch up. I visited Forest Hills on Tuesday for their neighborhood meeting. Their discussion was on the homeowners hurricane assistance that is available for the hardest hit areas. This neighborhood still needs maintenance. While they are doing home repairs and dealing with the fact and fear that their three pumps didn't work and the backup generator did not have fuel. Didn't have fuel. Councilman Viera was there. He addressed the residents, cheering them on by saying it's okay if you can't come to City Council hearings. You are a middle-class neighborhood and need to go to work. Also some reference to South Tampa. Then he went on to say he backs the mayor 85%. What happened to the neighborhood? I want to say I live in South Tampa and I am a middle-class working person and I still have to work on retirement. I want to address Palma Ceia Pines neighborhood. They did experience severe flooding. They are not on the hardest hit list, but I have come repeatedly to stop the Howard project so that their area and others can get the help and solution they need to prevent flooding in their area. Their area was not addressed until now in the Howard project and they are in phase two. I do not eat steak. I've only been to berns once. I have not been paid when I come here or the hours I spend in the library doing research. I am here for the only reason to do the right thing. It is to help the neighborhoods, make things better for my family and my friends. I'm going to address 73. I just want to know how many companies, engineers do we have to hire to report on what we already know. There is no maintenance. We know who got flooded. There's no money in our improvement projects. And the taxpayers and the residents who have been wronged do not want an increase in our taxes or anything else. Enough is enough. Stop irresponsible development. It falls alongside of maintenance neglect of the stormwater drains and was the number one, along with no maintenance cause for our flooding. Thank you.

11:59:34AM Thank you. Kella, followed by Nicholas gorman. I totally empathize with this young lady. I'm still not home from the storm. I totally understand what she's saying. To say that we're living in disturbing times is an understatement. I want to add to that as a black woman trying to live off my assignment of life as a real estate professional that went into advocacy and development, I'm truly disturbed. For me to see some of the things that's happened in this city, happening in this city, from the point that you admit some of the racism, we establish resolution 568, then it was removed because of funding. You could have found a way to fund it. I'm a firm believer. I live by the principle, when you want to do something, you find a way. If you don't, you find an excuse. So it reminds me of how racist the city that I grew up, educated me and trained me everything I know how racist the city is. So I wanted to come to share some of those concerns as it relates to that. We've seen biking while black. If you are black and dead, you disrespected while black. As we watch this and agenda item 65 comes up, and it does smell like a piece of biking while black. The bigger concern, recently in our arts community locally, here in ybor, we saw one of our artists be gunned down. I understand and I know that many of you can't say much about the incident. But I want to tap into your humanity today. Find a way to say to your constituents, find a way to say to your community, we see. We understand, we care, we're asking questions. We're going to respond publicly. Say it publicly. I don't think you have to call anybody to say that. I want you, just being a decent human being to find a way to communicate to the people that have to vote for you. For the people who have to look you in the face, you don't understand because you are of other ethnicity or you didn't understand because you didn't come from where I'm coming from. I know most of you very well. I like you. I know you could be limited based on your capacity. Maybe given a message not to comment because it's under investigation. We don't even have to talk about what happened. I just want to know and you to share with your community, you see, you care, you understand, and you're asking for answers. That's it. I don't think that requires a motion. You don't need nobody approval to be human. You can do the little thing and just say we see, we care, we're asking questions and we're going to get back to you. I totally support gadsden park. It doesn't even have bathrooms. Do they have functional bathrooms at gadsden park? It's for children with special needs. I support impact fees. I was down here requesting it right along with than.

12:02:49PM Nicholas gorman, followed by Gary brown. It looks like you may be speaking about an issue that is a hearing as well. Item 4, the Planning Commission.

12:03:02PM Okay. Very good. Gary brown, are you in the audience?

12:03:08PM Very good. Brent Taylor followed by Stephen Michelini. We're good to go. I'm brent Taylor. Full transparency, I'm doing a project right now for alan on a personal house. That's why he was asking me why I should be at anna maria. I'm here this morning on the impact fee. As a local builder, local developer, I think the first question for me is why now. From the research I've done, the why now is because of a law coming into place here pretty quickly. I think what is triggering those of us that are going to speak to be here at this moment is the fact that it's not the impact fee itself. It is the amount of the increase all at one time and how that's going to affect us as builders and developers in the short term. Yes, over time, we will build it in. Over time we'll incur the costs. Over time, unfortunately, whether it be homeowners or commercial developers, we'll obviously -- the end party will be who incurs the cost at the end of the day. But in the short term, a lot of these costs are not already built in. So we're going to incur those, and it's going to make us make some drastic decisions on the front end. I stand here and say I'm not necessarily against the impact fee because I understand why we need the funds and the monies to do what we do inside the city limits, but I think there needs to be a closer look and an incremental increase. At the end of the day, what that final number is that is tied to the projects hopefully is going to be lower than what's been presented in the past. Thank you.

12:05:19PM Thank you, brent. Steve Michelini followed by tina Adams. I'm here on a couple of different issues. Let me start with the impact fee. I think everyone recognizes that the impact fees need to be adjusted. I think you've heard resoundingly that you can't absorb that cost overnight if it goes to the maximum. Just to give you a decent timeline, it takes you about a year to arrange your financing. It takes another year for your plans to be developed. And if you have a rezoning, that's two years. Cumulatively two years. Financing and the rezoning. And then it takes you another six months to get through the permitting process. So the sooner that you get these projects online, the better your tax base will be. We're talking about phasing. I think you received a letter already indicating that the builders are supporting an increase, can't absorb a huge increase overnight. We still don't think that they met the criteria to exceed the 50% increase. The proposal that's on the board right now is a 500% increase, which is very difficult to absorb. Also, if you adopt this, we would recommend that you link the salaries and limit the salaries that can be paid for these and direct the friends toward actual construction and improvements so you don't have a disproportional amount of money going to support administrative costs and salaries. Jumping over to stormwater, they have pump stations that don't work. They are not putting the maintenance in. It has to be maintenance first. I think I showed you this picture. When the city Parks and Recreation came to you, they said these types of installations were not tenable and they would not approve them. But this is what is shown in your stormwater report that you're going to receive today. You see these little strips of land with landscaping and trees. You see these cutouts with trees, and then trees like this and then you have $6 million sitting in a tree trust fund. Obviously, this would qualify for that. But you can't get through the system. The bottom line is, maintenance first. If you don't get the maintenance in, it doesn't matter what you build. The maintenance right now fails. It simply isn't working. And the direction, hundred percent of this direction should be before you spend another dollar or money that you don't have that is not financed, you have $300,000 left in your budget for the entire city. No more than that. If you don't spend the money on maintenance, it doesn't matter what you build. Thank you.

12:08:25PM Tina Adams followed by nadia askar. I just wanted to say good afternoon and welcome to Councilwoman Young. I'm here to support the South Howard relief flood project and to remind you of the human toll that procrastination takes. In 2015, our garage flooded and other structures flooded. The city studied the problem. They said there were solutions. They were too expensive. They didn't fix it. Fast-forward ten years, and then by the city's estimate, over 300 homes and businesses flooded, devastatingly, flood zone x, evacuation zone c. So most of these people were at home when it flooded. My home flooded. It's been devastating. We're still working on it. We're still finding things. We were lucky enough to have flood insurance, but it doesn't cover everything. Insurance never covers everything. Our homes flooded not because of the natural disaster. They flooded because of a man-made disaster. They flooded because of inadequate stormwater and sewage systems that were also not maintained, but they are still inadequate. Maintaining inadequate system doesn't get you very far. I want to remind you that along with all those homes, there was a hospital that could not be accessed during a natural disaster. Let that sink in. Ambulances couldn't get there. Nobody could get there. Swann Avenue was in between four to five feet of water. Police cars were stranded. Emergency vehicles. That's what we were dealing with last year. Thank god for the drought this year. Never thought I'd say that, but I'm thankful for the drought. We need solutions as soon as possible. Time has proven that flooding is getting worse, and this is getting more expensive to fix. This is our time to work together and support the many people that have been devastated by this flooding and fix the problem. Your experts and engineers have come up with solutions. I believe in those people. They have done this before. They know how to fix it. It will be expensive and it will be hard, but we also should work with the businesses who will be impacted by the construction. Parkland Estates civic club sent you letters supporting this project. Everybody wants to work together to make this right. The city has and continues to collect stormwater fees.

12:11:40PM Thank you, tina.

12:11:41PM Nadia askar followed by tony daniels, mentesnot. Good morning. My name is nadia askar. I'm here to speak about a 16-year-old american child from our community who has been illegally detained by Israel since February. He was blindfolded and zip tied at 3:00 in the morning and that was the last time that his family has seen or spoken to him. Hamed since being detained lost over a quarter of his body weight and contracted scabies as well. I'm not sure if anybody here has children, but you can't imagine what a child looks like after losing 25% of their body weight during critical stages of growing in his life. Went from 105 pounds to 71 pounds. The consulate member in contact with the family only reports low bmi. I'm here to urge you to use your voices as elected representatives of Tampa to help bring this child home. Community members, organizations and the family has been raising alarms for months. So it is disappointing that I'm here. It is disappointing that this conversation even needs to be had because it is long overdue. I understand the council may feel like you don't have the same level of political pull as the state department, as congress, but we do have -- you do have a public platform and a duty to your constituents. If one of your own residents, especially a child, is unjustly detained abroad, we need to know that you would fight for us, fight for them. A simple public statement from the council sends a powerful message, and that is that Tampa protects its people even beyond our borders. Many people from all over the states have been making calls to different offices. We've been signing letters to end up on desks of higher-ups. We've been organizing actions and process. One of them being outside of the court about two weeks ago. A group of Florida constituents, a group of residents from Tampa and Florida, all over Florida, actually, we went to d.c. To speak about congressional members about him to bring him home to his family, something we can't do for another Tampa resident, 20-year-old who was murdered, beaten to death by israeli settlers on his land, again, while on vacation visiting his family in palestine. This is a story of two sisters. One sister who buried her son and another sister consoling her sister, not hoping for the same reaction or the same outcome. It's essential for us to help prevent that tragedy. I want to share a story quickly. I know I only have a couple of seconds. Speak to hamed's personality, who he is. Finally, when an american consulate member was able to speak to him, his uncle is working for him as hard as he can to get him out. All he was concerned about was whether or not his sister had -- again, we have only -- this is why I'm here. It's urgent. I don't want to be here in a couple of months. [ sounding gavel ] having to explain why you didn't do anything and why he is not here. Means freedom in swahili. We as african people should be always thinking about our freedom. Martin chambers, melvin hair, jj revear, Cedric mckinney, edgar Allen, jackie simpson, devaughn green, luke hanna, James lumpkins, granville richie, felicia sugar plum Williams, dontae morris, John jerome papa love. Tampa Heights serial killer donaldson. Rashia first lady Wilson. Those are a few black names that the white authorities and white news media of Tampa have made public. Kkk murdered hundreds of thousands of african people and nobody knows the names of the white murderers. Official Police Department murdered tens of thousands of african people and no one knows the names of those white murderers. Seems like the only time a black man, black woman or child can safely be in public in Ybor City, college hill, ponce de leon or East Tampa is if we are begging for food or begging for money. Black people aren't even safe at Tampa City Council meetings. That was recently proven when I was personally dragged out of this exact public chamber and arrested for trespassing. Meanwhile, white people were SMART enough to turn off the cameras in order to hide the criminal activity. White people know how to hide and cover up crime when they are in the business of protecting their own kind. Why isn't our district 5 representative publicly calling for the name and arrest of the murderer of this black man? The black community wants answers. And we are demanding that the Tampa Police Department release the names of all parties involved in the murder of dj shyguy. On another note, some people who don't know me personally think that I'm racist. But people who know me personally know that I have many white girlfriends. That my best friend is white. My lawn care maintenance man is white. My housecleaning lady is white. I have biracial children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. And I love white people. With that being revealed about myself, I would like to know if the City Council chairman has ever ate or eaten any black booty.

12:17:49PM Charlie Adams followed by elizabeth dinwiddie. Thank you all for having me this morning. Councilwoman Naya Young, congratulations on your victory. I would like to come up here and give a report on the springs market. It was I would like to say a success. There are things I would like to highlight in regards to moving forward and the impact, if we want to be persistent, things we have to pay attention to. Maybe after tonight, this evening, I will no longer be a part of our president of the Sulphur Springs neighborhood association. After three years of hard work and putting the time and sweat equity, not getting paid a dime for it, it seems as though no longer needed, wasn't even slated as a board member. It concerns me because there are people in place that don't have the same passion, the same love and care for our community. I would like to make sure that the work and the vision that I have for the community and others as well, supported, that it don't get mixed up in what was, I believe is the reason why we are in this position to begin with in regards to the way Sulphur Springs has been neglected. The power has been here. People ready and willing to support the Sulphur Springs. It seems that the people in power for decades seem to not spread that love or the resources that's needed for our community. It's not something that is made up or talking from firsthand experience, starting at Sulphur Springs elementary. The wealth is not spreading, and only a small number of people that collect the resources and it is not spreading. With the springs market, why created it and the reason why I went to Sulphur Springs park is because the other public greenspaces in the area, parks, parks and rec, it's been wrapped up in politics by people that say they are here to support us. They don't allow us to use the parks. They are natives. I have to find a way to get away from that in order to support the entire community and not just focus on the small number. Moving forward, I would like to make sure that when I mention the springs market, I get real support from the City of Tampa and I need your help in order to save the community. I'm afraid if the power goes back to the same people that got it, a lot of people will get left behind. Thank you.

12:20:58PM Thank you, Charlie. Elizabeth followed by surgret doss. My name is elizabeth dinwiddie. Also commonly known as liz arcado. Hi to Ms. Young. Hope to meet her in the future. I just want to acknowledge the powerful comments today. It's difficult to even speak following some of these very important topics. I feel like my topic is not as important as people being killed and things like that, but, in fact, it is because it is a safety issue. I'm here with my friend tina Adams. I was not Planning to speak so I'm not that prepared but she asked me to speak anyway regarding the South Howard flood relief project. Though it may not seem as important, it is 300 properties that flood unnecessarily. Each property has in it, in my home, there are four. So that's over -- then you look at the businesses where there are many people in those properties. So you're looking at over a thousand people that are affected by this flooding just in residences, not considering the people that drive by, not knowing about the flooding issues in the area. So this is a very important safety issue, and it is a life-threatening issue. There is a hospital in the middle of the body of water that forms. Ambulances can't get there. The power gets cut off to people who are on lifesaving machines. So this is a very important issue. I'm talking about it again today because I'm just trying to keep awareness of the topic. It's a very political situation that I have found myself in. I lived in a flood zone before this property. And I had flood insurance. My husband and I carried flood insurance on the property for every year that we lived there. That was 12 years approximately. I paid just in flood insurance, just in flood insurance I paid between three and four thousand dollars a year. Nobody wanted to -- no one wants to cover the flood zone a properties. I probably was lucky to even get it. I don't know if you can get it now. But I had flood insurance on that property. I knew that if I was going to flood there, I had insurance. I moved into Palma Ceia Pines because it was a flood zone x property. And this is what I experienced there. I don't know if you can zoom in, how this thing works. But this is the body of water that forms in flood zone x. It is a lake that forms. In a flood zone x. This is to differentiate from coastal properties. This is because of lack of pipes. This is someone else's video. Not mine.

12:24:12PM Thank you, liz.

12:24:16PM Mr. Doss. As you can see, army discharged, army veteran. It's been said if they ain't talking about you, you ain't doing something right. I believe that some of you all at Tampa City Council were talking about me to your folk over there. I'm also convinced that Tampa, I was really hoping that my young lady who gets Tampa history was here because she can talk about what the anti-literacy act was. I think Tampa has reinstated that. That existed before the end of the Civil War. Somebody asked me to ask you all, what is the issue with teaching people, particularly marginalized folks, how to read and write in this country. One time I worked with the school systems. Leon county, Hillsborough county. It's interesting that they think you all try to silence strong voices. He's gone now. I'll piggy back on the council and segue from peter, because in that very same scripture, well, a little bit further down, he says cast your cares onto me. I know you love to thump that Bible and read from it and all this other stuff. I'm not going to allow my frustrations to frustrate me, particularly with you people. I'll give those frustrations to the most high. It's been said that his yoke is easy and his burden is light. Further down in Matthew, or actually in Matthew, little further up -- it will be given to you in that time and place. And all you know, I ain't scared of you all. Never have been and never will be. Because this is on the vessel that occupy temporarily. I understand what retaliation is. I know what you all like to dismiss, discredit, demonize and then you destroy. I'm not going to be worried about that. But a shout-out to chuck dee. I got this letter from your government the other day. As I open it and read it, it said you all don't read because clearly in this letter, unauthorized practice of law, which really simply means teaching folk how to read. It seems to have upset you all. Since we're partners anyway on youtube because you all share my revenue, states clearly on my website, you can go to gdnapsc.com, there is a disclaimer there. I don't practice law. I study law. Learn to gather the information. I had to get to that so we can get out of here. Even on a youtube page, disclaimer is also there similarly situated, big as day. So I understand what it is, and we are going to keep on grinding and keep on bumping. That being said, because we're still playing, shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, the university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

12:27:31PM Thank you. Robin Lockett. Robin Lockett. Two things, item 24, $1.1 million, I didn't know we had a small park improvement. Hey, yellow jackets coming up and looking for money. I see how you all move money from one place to the other. Just keep that in mind. The second thing is, I wasn't going to speak about this, but it's interesting. Item 66. Wasn't sure what that was until the friends for riverwalk, I'm assuming they are the ones pursuing and want this changed, one thing I want you guys to be mindful of, because they want the change, if it's not just for riverwalk, it's for all the other parks, profiling, everything will hit those other parks. So do some type of study. Ask them if they are saying, hey, people are being hurt, what type of documentation did you have? What numbers are you seeing in regards to this? Versus saying that. What is the proof of it? Do some background on it. Because, again, ticketing, profiling, all of that ends up being harmful for the black community. And they won't do it at riverwalk. But they are coming to the black community and do it. Just be mindful of being very diligent regarding this. Thank you. My condolences to the sax family. I'm friends with the family and my condolences to the family. Thank you.

12:29:21PM Thank you, robin. David cornell. That is our last in-person public speaker. We'll go to online after that. My name is David cornell. The reason I've come here before the council is to talk about the underrepresentation of black police officers in Highland Pines district 5. This basically shows, as of the census in 2020, there are 1643 black citizens in Highland Pines, again, of district 5. So this is nothing really scientific about it, but it's been noted that there are not very many black police officers in that district. When I went before the Highland Pines community center, I was the only white person there, but I learned a lot. They talked about the history of Highland Pines. The elders, the black elders said when they moved there in the 1960s and '70s, it was primarily white and Hispanic. And then when they moved into the one particular neighborhood of Highland Pines, the for sale signs started going up. So about 81 percent of Highland Pines is black. So I talked to a lot of people. One of our crossing guards and I talked to a lot of people and they all pretty much concur. Very, very few black officers and this concerns me gravely. So I would like to inspire the City Council call to action. Not here to criticize the Police Department. We're here to help the city make good on its own commitments of equity and trust. We share Tampa Police Department's vision, reducing crime and enhancing quality of life through partnerships. Let's ensure that those partnerships reflect the people who live here. I respectfully request -- let me start that again. I respectfully request the council consider directing staff to review the underrepresentation of black police officers in Highland Pines. Thank you very much.

12:31:57PM Thank you very much. That concludes our in-person public comment. We have five registered speakers. Is Andrea Thomas online? Ms. Thomas, can you hear us? Unmute yourself, please. I can.

12:32:18PM Very god. You have three minutes. Start with your name, please. As a lifelong Tampa resident and a daily visitor of Lowry Park located at 7252 North Boulevard I'm extremely concerned about the impact the Zoo Tampa expansion will have on this greenspace. This park is not only a refuge to the humans of our community but home to lots of wildlife. You often see our iconic Florida wildlife scattered throughout the park. Alligators and manatees in the river, even the occasional dolphin and stingray. Red-tailed hawks, great blue herons, egrets, and once in a while a roseate spoonbill. The park is filled with beautiful, sprawling oaks, the native bald cypress and sweet gum maple, and many other species of native Florida flora. Also several freshwater springs inside the park which add beauty and diversity to the environment. This park is also over a hundred years old and it has become a staple of this community. It is a safe space where parents can allow their children to play, where pet owners can walk their dogs in a safe environment and where you can walk in nature in the middle of the city and visit with your neighbors and fellow community members. The loss of this greenspace would be a tremendous loss for our community, not only now, but for future generations. With the explosion of population growth Florida has seen in the past several years, much of the land has been developed and paved over, resulting not just in the loss of the spaces but also in flooding and sinkhole issues. By preserving as much of Lowry Park as possible, you would demonstrate an understanding of just how valuable these spaces are, setting a positive example for other Florida cities. Thank you.

12:34:09PM Thank you very much. Is ashley morrow online? Ashley, unmute yourself, start with your name, you have three minutes. Ashley? Start with your name, you have three minutes. My name is ashley morrow. I will be sharing Tampa's black history. Obviously I'm not in the room today. I am in new orleans shooting a convention, the anthro-- american anthropological association annual meeting. I love this convention because it focuses on history and ethics. With that being said, I've been going on tours. Like I said before, I love how all of this history is connected. I would love to go to fort pike, as I explained before that the seminoles and black seminoles were shipped here in new orleans in 1837 into the 1840s and '50s, but the fort is closed, unfortunately, so I can't visit there. I did go on a tour and she talked about the transportation of the seminoles and the trail of tears. I thought it was interesting because she got to the seminoles part, talked about the cherokee and the other five tribes -- well, four tribes and mentioned that the seminoles came here via the trail of tears. That was my in. I was able to say they came out of Tampa. Out of the acronym we discussed before. Era, education, recognition, accountability, the education for me is where I already learned about it. When I recognized it in the story, where Tampa fell into that story, I got excited. The way I took accountability is I shared it with others. A lot of people don't have a lot of money to put towards things, but you can share information. Knowledge is very valuable. I believe Darryl brought up literacy. I have a book list, black Tampa historians.com. One is about the Florida negro wars, black seminoles and second seminole war, 1835 to 1842 by Dr. Anthony e. Dixon. He is working on a project called the black seminole project. Black seminole project.com where he has done a 30 minute documentary. Currently working on a 60 minute documentary. He is going to Texas, Oklahoma, Mexico. He's trying to be to the Bahamas. Looking for funding for that. He's basically going to the places where the seminoles were shipped to. If you want to look at I believe the 30 minute documentary, you can view it on his website. If you want to donate toward his project, black seminole project.com. Been working on it for a very long time. Dr. Anthony e. Dixon. That's everything for me. If you are looking for photography, ashley canay.com. Thank you so much for your time.

12:37:08PM Thank you, ashley, as always. Michael randolph. My name is Michael randolph. Last week we shared predictive artificial intelligence models, showing projected 14 to 17 percent displacement in West Tampa. Cities like detroit and buffalo were using data and policies to protect residents. Today, we want to introduce two new tools that work together to end gentrification. The opportunity zone and community benefit agreement. Let's start with the opportunity zone. The opportunity zone don't have to drive displacement. Strong local policy, they can stabilize community by applying inclusive zoning, community ownership models and anti-displacement safeguards in every investment. Cities like buffalo have probably started predictive destruction approach -- dollars toward stabilization. Expanding opportunity in West Tampa. The opportunity zone 101 has been -- in West Tampa, we're requesting that the business core district eastern boundary be extended to North Boulevard to include that part of the community. The community benefit agreement. The community benefit agreement is a scalable model. This anti-displacement initiative grew from grass root support. An agreement that includes development funded, workforce and entertainment and training center and strategic engineer for community building. The West Tampa job creation center. Core components includes using 70% of artificial staffing to reduce cost and boost impact. Training young people, as young as ten, on how to use artificial intelligence. Equips elders with limited education to gain marketable tech skills. Bottom line, the opportunity zone, and community benefit agreement, West Tampa is posed to become a national model for -- please pay attention to the redistricting. -- to make sure it does not impact the black community. Thank you.

12:40:15PM Thank you, Michael. Next speaker is teresa perino. Nobody else is online. That concludes our public comment for today. Thank you very much. Our next agenda item is the appointment to a position on the Hillsborough county City Planning organization. We have six applicants. How many applicants are in the room? Forgot about three. Never mind. Our next is appointment of Rick Kugler to the Hillsborough county city county Planning Commission. Is rick in the room? We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco to move item 3, a second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously. Thank you very much. Now our wonderful clerk. Good morning.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:41:14PM Good afternoon.

Alan Clendenin

12:41:17PM It should be morning but it's afternoon.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:41:21PM Yes. Shirley Foxx-Knowles, city clerk. I'm here to introduce the applicants that are vying for the Hillsborough County City-County Planning Commission. Filling the expired term of member Karen kress, whose term ended September 30, 2025. We have six applicants. The first one is Mr. David kern.

Alan Clendenin

12:41:57PM David, would you like to speak? Come on up to the podium. Start with your name, please. My name is dave kern. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today about my application to the Planning Commission. After attending university of Florida, I moved to Tampa where I have lived for 35 years. I've raised my family here. I'm married with two grown children. My son works for an investment firm in town and my daughter is currently attending college down in south Florida for medical school. Most of my career I've been a commercial real estate banker. Started with barnett bank, which is now bank of america. From there, went on to regions bank and then jp morgan. In those roles I led commercial real estate lending offices in Tampa, jacksonville, and Orlando. Property from panama city down to key west. Along the way, I also had the opportunity to build relationships with national real estate investors from around the country, so I've been involved in some financing of large master planned communities, including DRIs, CBD financed developments throughout the country. After a rewarding career in banking five years ago, I joined a commercial real estate form called foundry commercial. We're based in Orlando. Of course, I run the Tampa office. We lease and manage about 80 million square feet of commercial real estate and we've invested over $5 billion throughout the southeast. I made the decision to leave banking and change careers and really kind of put roots down in Tampa because I was really excited about the growth that this city has experienced. Again, been here over 30 years, and the last several years especially since covid have been very exciting but also very challenging. Can understand and appreciate the importance of Planning as we move forward from this point. Outside of that, a case study for how I believe Planning is really influencing the city, leading into covid, we had over a million square feet of spec office buildings come online. The most building built was over 15 years ago. After covid hit throughout the country, office occupancy plummeted but all four of the projects have been successful, attracting employers and young talent to the city, which has just been transformative. Fortunate enough to have a front-row seat in many of the developments. I believe that experience would really be beneficial in the conversations regarding Planning. In summary, just thought I would highlight three attributes that I think I can bring to the commission. First, is really a national presence but a local focus. Again, had the opportunity to be involved in developments throughout the country. But really now focusing specifically on the City of Tampa and Hillsborough county. Very up to speed on land use policy. My day job requires that. Everything from PDs to USAs to flus, land development code, all things in between. I have a very good working knowledge of that and learning more about that every day. Finally, I have a lifelong focus on wellness and believe that would be instrumental as well. Thanks for your time.

12:45:16PM Thank you very much. We appreciate it.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:45:25PM The next applicant is Mr. Gavin covey.

Alan Clendenin

12:45:35PM Good morning, Mr. Covey. Start with your name, please. Gavin covey. I want to thank the City Council for hearing me for an appointment today. I also want to thank the chairman for not immediately disqualifying me after closing the elevator door on him this morning.

12:45:54PM That is a fact. I was born and raised in Tampa my entire life. I went to high school here, university here. Got my bachelor's degree in political science with a minor in urban studies. I ended up missing USF so much that I decided to get my master's degree in urban and regional Planning. I graduated in August with my master's degree while working full-time as a public planner for pasco county. I also during that time I passed my american institute of certified planners exam, so I am a certified planner through the american Planning association. I think being a good Planning commissioner really requires two aspects. It's one being community focused and, two, obviously having the Planning knowledge to innovate policy and help guide recommendations for this council. I believe that I have both of those qualities as being a long-term Tampa resident, I've been involved in the community, whether that be Feeding Tampa Bay, whether that be through the arts, I wasn't ban -- I was in band in high school and college. I'm invested in this community and I see the assets and I see the potential and I see how this can make one of the greatest american cities in the future. I see a lot of our community members are having issues with development and making sure those voices are being heard and making sure that it is as equitable as possible for everyone. Like I said, I'm also a public planner. I do Planning day in and day out. It is my day job. So I am constantly reviewing comprehensive plan amendments, master plan unit developments, development agreements, everything. I specifically worked within a special district within pasco county, so I'm also a regional planner. Understanding the transportation network, the parks system, utility system, making sure that those are coming online for future development to occur and to make sure that our communities are safe and have the resources to live a good, healthy life. Thank you.

12:48:11PM Thank you very much.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:48:20PM Council, the next applicant is hayle short. My name is hayle short. I believe my experience of local knowledge, professional background and board expertise will support the city's growth at a responsible and strategic direction. I am currently a board member with the housing finance authority for alachua county, and we have issued over $30 million in municipal Bonds this year for affordable housing development projects. Having gained firsthand knowledge in public finance and affordable housing development, I understand how to navigate challenging environments to build consensus among diverse stakeholders. Professionally, I work as a land and development broker on a team that has closed over $1 billion in development transactions across the state. Day to day, I'm working with engineers, developers, and local governments across the state and the southeast to understand feasibility of developments. And larger land use goals for the community. Tampa has been my home for nearly 20 years, and it's very clear that we are at a pivotal stage of growth. Decisions that we make today and that this commission makes in the following few months are going to shape our community for decades. After losing my home in helene last year, I think there are significant questions and concerns around open space, flooding, stormwater management, and how developers are really utilizing their land. I have really seen how thoughtful policy can protect and preserve our communities and the character of our neighborhoods. But I've also seen how missteps can create friction, frustrate residents, and really stall progress. My value add is that I'm having these conversations with different Planning commissions across the state as well as with national developers that are wanting to get this kind of work done. I think that my unique position allows me to find a common ground between the private sectors' interests and realities of public policy and what we can do in our communities. Tampa really deserves more leaders who have that understanding, who can speak with the institutional builders and understand their goals and their projects, while understanding and growing up in their community and protecting the interests of residents who live there and don't have a voice in the matter. The city has given me every opportunity in my life so far. I went to high school here. I would like to give back to it. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

12:51:12PM Thank you very much.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:51:20PM Thank you. The next applicant is Justin walsh.

Alan Clendenin

12:51:28PM Is Justin in the room? Justin going once, going twice. Thank you very much.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:51:33PM The next applicant is Matthew Sienk.

Alan Clendenin

12:51:40PM Good morning, sir. It's going to be good morning. Now it's afternoon. Messing us all up. Good afternoon. My name is Matt Sienk. I've lived in Tampa since 2004. Over the last 20 years, I have seen the tremendous growth that we've had. What I always find so interesting is how incremental, thoughtful changes, project by project, policy by policy, steady improvements kind of change the lifestyle and care that our neighborhoods have. It didn't happen overnight, but focus, small meaningful steps have added up and produced a big change and we've seen it all happen. Professionally, I began leadership roles with large national builders and over time brought the experience home. I founded a Tampa based firm specializing in multifamily design, custom homes, adus and small scale infill projects in neighborhoods like Tampa Heights. That work has shown me how land use decisions directly shape opportunity. I'm always committed to finding ways to make housing more affordable. So even little things can add up and make it affordable for our residents. I think land use is the most powerful tools we have to drive value and promote accessibility. I currently serve as an appointee for the Hillsborough county transportation Planning organization citizen advisory committee. And I'm always here consistently advocating for reliable transportation options and ensuring that priorities like extending the streetcar system is heard at the board meetings. Through my time, Tampa Heights civic association, tpo CAC, I learned the value of coming prepared and asking really good questions. The value of asking the questions is not always for me; it's to open up the conversation so people can understand, here is the background, here is what to consider. Those are big conversations that if you don't ask the right questions, people don't even know that they are missing out on something. I think working together impacts our communities. In addition to the experience on boards, I was also a key contributor with Brian seel and Tampa Heights civic association with the citizen-initiated code amendment that created the Tampa Heights overlay district. The good thing about that was that it taught us we can make change and we can make small changes, but have to go hand in hand with policy and the neighborhoods to kind of get that support and the understanding of what people need. Something I think that truly separates me from other candidates is I have a track record for showing up. I show up at community meetings, council meetings, Hyde Park architectural walking tours, CAC meetings, civic association meetings, land use committee meetings, F.D.O.T. Information sessions, Planning Commission, comp plan, I'm even in the photos for their marketing. Showing up is what makes me a reliable appointee. I show up because it's important. I show up because my neighbors rely on me. So when they have questions, they can come to me and say, hey, Matt, how do I solve this? I don't know, but here is the resource to go to. I think the one thing I bring is my proven track record of consistently showing up, listening, and making time to be part of the solution and not coming up and just complaining. Thank you guys, have a good day.

12:54:51PM Thank you. Appreciate it. One more.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:54:58PM Council, the last candidate is Nicholas gorman.

Alan Clendenin

12:55:06PM Good morning, sir. Good afternoon.

12:55:09PM I'm not going to get that right. It will be dark out and I'll still be saying good morning. Start the timer again, please. Currently an economic development manager at the Tampa Bay Economic Development Council. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you all today about serving on the Hillsborough city-county Planning Commission. Tampa isn't just where I work. It's where I grew up, where my family has chosen to build a future. I was raised in Plant City while my father served ten years of his 30-year military career active duty at MacDill Air Force Base. I attended Hillsborough county schools from k-12. Today, my wife and I are proud homeowners in West Tampa where we have lived since 2020. I can confidently say we are very grateful when the city repaved many of our streets last month because they truly needed some tlc. My wife serves our community as a nurse at Tampa General Hospital. We both see Tampa as our long-term home. Over the past 20 years, I've watched this region grow tremendously and thoughtfully. That perspective has instilled in me a deep commitment to serve our community. That's why we engage in programs like emerging leaders of Tampa Bay through the Tampa Bay chamber of commerce. And the University of Tampa board of counselors and why I'm currently pursuing my mba at the University of Tampa to continue contributing meaningfully and responsibly to the future of this region. In my professional role at the Tampa Bay EDC, I work every day with employers, site selectors, developers, and community partners giving me practical insight into how decisions directly influence economic opportunity. And quality of life. While economic development and long-range Planning are distinct missions, they complement each other. Meaning to contribute in a balanced, informed and community-centered way. If appointed, I would bring three core priorities to the commission. First, a commitment to data-driven and policy-aligned decision making, ensuring recommendations align with the comprehensive plan and long-term community goals. Second, a dedication to transparency and engagement, ensuring residents feel heard, respected, and included in the decisions that shape their neighborhoods. Third, a long-range responsible perspective recognizing that Tampa's growth must balance housing, mobility, environmental sustainability, and economic resilience. I believe in Tampa's potential because I've lived it. I've seen its growth, challenges, and promise. I'm committed to helping guide its future with intention and inclusivity. Thank you for your time, your service, and for considering my appointment to the Planning Commission. It would be an honor to serve the community that has given so much to me.

12:58:01PM Thank you, Nicholas.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

12:58:10PM Many thanks to all the candidates. I believe you have a ballot. Vote for one.

Alan Clendenin

12:58:20PM Thank you. I have to say, since I've been on council, This is probably the most experienced group of folks applying for one position that I've seen. It's really quite impressive, which makes this really difficult. Really good group of people.

Guido Maniscalco

12:59:07PM [Inaudible] I drive through that whole area, and I know they did a good job paving, especially gomez, which was awful all the way to columbus.

Alan Clendenin

12:59:21PM Enough of guys -- it feels good in here. The air-conditioner is just fine.

Lynn Hurtak

12:59:40PM You all are wearing jackets. Don't wear a jacket. Problem solved.

Bill Carlson

12:59:44PM Why don't you let them set it and we'll see if we notice.

Lynn Hurtak

12:59:49PM Exactly.

Alan Clendenin

12:59:50PM That's sucking up.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

1:00:03PM Council, you have selected Matthew Sienk who has five votes. And they were received by Maniscalco, Hurtak, young, Viera, and Carlson. Gavin covey received one vote by Clendenin.

Alan Clendenin

1:00:31PM That's because you closed the elevator door on me. Plus I've already given Matthew Sienk an appointment. He's already working for me on something else. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

1:00:44PM I want to reiterate what was said. Number one, it takes a lot of guts and all that to apply and come in a public forum like that. All of you all were really, really stellar. Like one would go up, oh, that guy is great. Next person, oh, they are great. And so forth. You all did a good job and a lot of merit. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

1:01:07PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

1:01:08PM Additionally, the Variance Review Board always looking for members. That'S Also A Great Place. So, please, continue to apply for boards and commissions because you all have such heart and such interest, there is a space for you. We always have space. Please, please apply to other boards and commissions. And we look forward to seeing you in another role.

Guido Maniscalco

1:01:38PM Move to have Mr. Shelby come back with a resolution.

Martin Shelby

1:01:43PM At this point, I guess it really --

Alan Clendenin

1:01:46PM It's just to accept --

Guido Maniscalco

1:01:49PM To ratify it?

Martin Shelby

1:01:52PM Let me just have it the way it was stated. I'll prepare the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

1:01:56PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to prepare a resolution naming Matthew Sienk to the Planning Commission. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Four-year term. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

Guido Maniscalco

1:02:11PM You want to break now?

Alan Clendenin

1:02:13PM Yes. As stated, council is going to break now. We're only a 30-minute lunch. We will be back, council, promptly at 1:35 in our seats and ready to go through the consent agenda. Thank you. We are adjourned. [ sounding gavel ] [lunch break]

Guido Maniscalco

1:36:27PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

1:36:28PM Here.

Naya Young

1:36:30PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

1:36:31PM Here.

The clerk

1:36:33PM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

1:36:35PM Thank you. We are going to start with the consent agenda. Councilman Viera is not with us. Councilman Miranda is absent. Guido Maniscalco, you are the alternative. Please move items 5-18.

Guido Maniscalco

1:36:45PM Public safety committee. I move items 5-18.

Alan Clendenin

1:36:50PM We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, can you move items 19-31, except 24 and 28.

Naya Young

1:37:03PM I move 19-31 except 24 and 28.

Alan Clendenin

1:37:07PM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you very much.

Lynn Hurtak

1:37:23PM I pulled item 36. I've had all of my questions answered. I still think that $800,000 is a lot of money to spend on this, but I am told we are going to have a great plan.

Guido Maniscalco

1:37:34PM I move items 32 through 36.

Alan Clendenin

1:37:37PM Motion from -- thank you, Councilman Viera, and Councilman Carlson have joined us. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilman Viera, all those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Miranda is absent. Please move items 37 -- sorry, 37 through 38.

Luis Viera

1:37:59PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

1:38:01PM 37 and 38.

Luis Viera

1:38:04PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

1:38:05PM We have a motion from Councilman Viera. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, could you move items 40 through 51.

Bill Carlson

1:38:17PM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

1:38:18PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you very much.

Lynn Hurtak

1:38:29PM I move items 52 and 53.

Alan Clendenin

1:38:31PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Can I get a motion to set the public hearings? We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco to set public hearings for items 54, 55, and 56. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Can I get a motion to open the 11:00 public hearings, please? We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. The 11:00 public hearings are opened. Let's go with item 57. Mr. Ingram. Item number 57 is the update to the capital improvement section schedule of projects in the Tampa Comprehensive Plan. This replaces the fiscal year 2025 through fiscal year 2029 capital improvement schedule of projects with the updated fiscal year 2026 through fiscal year 2030 schedule. The City Council approved this amendment upon first reading on October 30 and back before you today for second reading consideration, and that concludes my presentation.

1:39:49PM Thank you. Does council have any questions? Hearing none. Did you want to speak on this issue? Your face keeps popping up wide screen. Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to item 57? Hearing none, can I get a motion to close? Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, would you please read this one?

Guido Maniscalco

1:40:18PM I have an ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, capital improvement program and capital improvements section schedule of projects, by replacing the fiscal year 2025 through fiscal year 2029 capital improvements section schedule of projects with the fiscal year 2026 through fiscal year 2030 capital improvements section schedule of projects, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

1:40:45PM Thank you. We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera. Please record your vote.

The clerk

1:40:56PM Motion carried unanimously with Miranda being absent.

Alan Clendenin

1:40:58PM Thank you. Item 58. Staff. Item 58 is file ta/cpa 25-09. This is a comprehensive plan map amendment to change the future land use designation for the property located at 2602 east 7th avenue and the associated parcels from light industrial and general mixed use 24 to urban mixed use 60 and community commercial 35. The City Council approved this amendment upon first reading on October 30 and back before you today for second reading consideration, and that concludes my presentation.

1:41:36PM Does council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public who wishes to speak to item 58? Hearing none, can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera. Please record your vote. Got to read it first. Councilwoman Hurtak, would you please read this? Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

1:41:59PM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, future land use element, future land use map for the property located at 1703 north 24th street, 1701 north 25th street, 2602 east 7th avenue, 2623 east 8th avenue, 2622 east 7th avenue, 2624 east 7th avenue, 2707 east 7th avenue, 2706 east 7th avenue, 2615 east 7th avenue, 2703 east 7th avenue, 2707 east 7th avenue, 2705 east 7th avenue, 2709 east 7th avenue, 2805 east 7th avenue, 2805 east 7th avenue unit 1/2, 2901 east 7th avenue, and 2915 east 7th avenue from light industrial (LI) and general mixed use-24 (gmu-24) to urban mixed use 60, UMU 60 and community commercial 35, cc-35, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Guido Maniscalco

1:43:17PM Second.

Alan Clendenin

1:43:17PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

1:43:26PM Motion carried unanimously with Miranda being absent.

Alan Clendenin

1:43:29PM Thank you. We are now going to do quasi-judicial, which means that everybody has to be sworn in. If you are here to speak on items 59 or 60, please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in. [Oath administered] item 61, there was an issue with -- between first and second reading, they were supposed to provide -- a plan amendment was not submitted. We need to continue this item.

Martin Shelby

1:44:04PM It cannot be continued until you open number 61.

Guido Maniscalco

1:44:07PM Move to open --

Lynn Hurtak

1:44:09PM We already did.

Martin Shelby

1:44:11PM I heard 59 and 60.

Alan Clendenin

1:44:13PM We opened them all.

Guido Maniscalco

1:44:14PM Move to open all --

Alan Clendenin

1:44:16PM We already opened all the 11:00 public hearings. We need to continue item 61. I believe it was December --

Martin Shelby

1:44:39PM Is staff present? This is Leo Debardeleben. The applicant and staff have agreed to December 4 for the second reading.

1:44:57PM May I understand -- first of all --

Guido Maniscalco

1:45:02PM I have to abstain from this. [Microphone not on]

Alan Clendenin

1:45:09PM We have a motion to submit abstention form from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera.

Guido Maniscalco

1:45:17PM The reason is because the petitioner here is my -- is the landlord of my family's business. Different building, different side of town, but the same landlord.

Alan Clendenin

1:45:28PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Viera. All in favor, aye? Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco will abstain from this vote.

Martin Shelby

1:45:36PM If we can for the record have the reason discussed. I see the applicant's representative is here, for the purpose of this continuance.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:45:48PM Legal Department. Mr. Debardeleben can confirm. There are often revisions to be made between first and second reading of the site plan. All the required revisions were not made and timely submitted. That is the reason for the continuance.

Martin Shelby

1:46:05PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

1:46:06PM Can I get a motion to move 61 to December 4. Motion from Hurtak, second from Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

1:46:19PM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent at vote and Miranda being absent.

Martin Shelby

1:46:26PM It was a continuance, was it not.

The clerk

1:46:28PM Continuance to December 4, 2025 At 10 a.m. City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602. And Maniscalco abstaining.

Alan Clendenin

1:46:47PM We'll move to 59. On the record I was absent -- I was actually in the chamber. I watched all of this. I am prepared to vote, fyi on item 59. 59, staff.

Leo Debardeleben

1:46:59PM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 59 is ab 2-25-15 for the property located at 2905 north 50th street. The request is for alcoholic beverage sales, restaurant classification, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises only. Site plan modifications were required to be made between first and second readings. Those changes have been made. The plans have been certified and a copy has been provided to the clerk. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

1:47:26PM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant? None. Anybody in the room wish to speak to item number 59? Applicant, do you have anything to add to the item? I'm here to respond to any questions you may have.

1:47:48PM Thank you. Does council have any questions of the applicant? Hearing none, anybody in the public that wishes to speak to item 59? Hearing none, can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you please read item 59?

Naya Young

1:48:06PM Item 59, file number ab 2-25-15, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, restaurant, consumption on premises only, and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 2905 north 50th street, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

1:48:47PM Motion from young, second from Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

1:48:55PM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent at vote and Miranda being absent.

Alan Clendenin

1:49:00PM Thank you. Item number 60.

1:49:07PM Your microphone is not on.

Leo Debardeleben

1:49:12PM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 60 is ab2-25-20 for the property located at 340 East Davis Boulevard. The request is for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue classification, beer and wine for consumption on premises only. Site plan modifications were required to be made between first and second readings. Those changes have been made. The plans have been certified and a copy has been provided to the clerk. I am available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

1:49:36PM Does council have any questions? Is there an applicant? I have nothing further to add. All the information was covered at first reading. I'm sure I'll speak to you all in a few minutes.

1:49:52PM Thank you very much. Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to item 60? If there are multiple people, if you would line up against the wall, we'll call you up one at a time. Start with your name. Each individual will have three minutes. Thank you.

Martin Shelby

1:50:31PM Has a speaker waiver form. If your name is called, please acknowledge --

Alan Clendenin

1:51:14PM Ms. Zomermaand, start with your name.

Martin Shelby

1:51:37PM Heather murray. Janice Davis. [Inaudible] paula meckley. Thank you. Sandy sanchez. Thank you. Carroll ann Bennett. Thank you. Stephanie poynor. Seven names plus three, total of ten minutes please.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:08PM Start with your name and you have ten minutes.

1:52:14PM Cttv -- we're seeing it. There you go. Debbie zomermaand, 192 Corsica Street, I have been sworn. Let's start out by talking about the art of the steal. I refer to the miriam webster definition of steal. As a transitive verb, one meaning is to take away by force or unjust unfair or dishonest means. Example, they are stealing our liberty. As a noun, it may mean a bargain. Example, it is a steal at that price. If you approve this request, you will be stealing the rights of residents afforded via the clear language in the city code. The flip side is the applicant will be getting rights they are not entitled to, granting them a bargain. As I speak to you today, I am speaking as a Davis island resident who has served on the board of Davis island civic association, aka, dica for over 15 years, many of which were in the capacity of zoning chair or vice-chair. For close to two decades, dica has continually requested nothing more than the decisions follow the code. Land use decisions are not a popularity contest, but ones that should be based on the clear requirements outlined within the code in the City of Tampa Comprehensive Plan. Dica's position may not have been fully understood within the first reading. Specifically, dica voted to oppose this request and within their correspondence they addressed distance separation waiver creates neighborhood intrusion. Two, potential for noise and extended late-night activity, and, three, precedent and long-term Planning implications. I put the dica letter in your package. You have heard a lot of testimony at the first reading. What you need to do now before making any decision is to review the record and determine what information constitutes competent, substantial evidence. While there are a lot of opinions and speculation, I am particularly concerned that the testimony of Scott defraties, a resident within the notice area who is also a registered nurse, was not given due consideration. Mr. Defraties gave direct testimony regarding the potential adverse health impacts if this item is approved. As the applicant failed to provide any competent, substantial evidence regarding the health or safety implications, it's only reasonable to conclude that they failed to meet this burden as required pursuant to section 27-129a-1. Keep in mind per the site plan, this request is for a small restaurant, plus or minus 1,743 square feet, with a proposed occupancy class group a with less than 50 occupants, Florida building code 303.11. Returning to the code and the proposed ordinances, within section 27-126, the intent is that special use permits have safeguards as reasonably necessary for the protection of public interests generally and of adjacent properties, the neighborhood, and the city as a whole. Within section 27-127, it is intended that s-2 special use permits be required where specific uses or occupancies involve matters of citywide or area-wide importance. The language of 27-127 is addressed within the first whereas of the proposed ordinance -- it's right here -- which states, request for certain specified uses and occupancy involving matters deemed of citywide or area-wide importance must be submitted to the City Council for consideration and approval as a special use permit s-2. I did a pretty thorough review of the record and cannot find a single comment or reference establishing that this request met the criteria of being of citywide or area-wide importance. To the contrary, I did find testimony from a council member saying that this request was very, very modest as more fully documented within tab 4 of the binder I provided. Absent the finding of area-wide or citywide importance, the requirements of the code and the whereas contained in the proposed ordinance are unsubstantiated. Absent these findings, the record is unclear as to whether the requirements of the code or the whereas clause specifically stated in the proposed ordinance have actually been met. I respectfully request that these specific findings be introduced into the record prior to a final vote on this matter. Within tab 6, you will find e-mail correspondence entered into the record addressing the fact that the scope of the 109 parking space waiver for a restaurant with a maximum occupancy of 44 persons was not adequately addressed within the first reading. The applicant was well aware that parking waiver would be required long before the meeting. A parking waiver of this significance is just too substantial to slip in as a minor revision between first and second reading. I have prepared a motion helper that may assist with making this decision. Please seriously consider these suggested motions and if you have any questions, please ask me to clarify. I have spent a tremendous amount of time reviewing this record and submitting correspondence that outlines the deficiencies with this application. I respectfully request denial of ab 2-25-20. It is inconsistent with the land development code, has no demonstrated citywide or area-wide importance as required by the code and stated in the proposed ordinance. It contains no competent substantial evidence to justify the approval. It is incompatible with the surrounding residential neighborhood, and it steals the rights and protections residents are provided within the code. I believe the evidence I have submitted into the record substantiates the above comments. Again, if you have questions, I will gladly walk you through the material. Additionally, if the applicant submits new information during rebuttal, I respectfully request that I have the opportunity to address new comments or evidence. A final point of significant importance for 27-129a is, it is the responsibility of the applicant to present evidence in the form of testimony, exhibits, documents, models, plans and the like to support the approval of such permit. As the applicant failed to present such evidence, I again request denial of ab 25-20. Thank you so much for your consideration of these comments and I know all of you are reviewing the documents. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

1:59:26PM Thank you. Next speaker. My name is Pamela colker. 614 Superior Avenue on Davis Islands. I've been on the Davis Islands civic association board, aka dica, twice. Once about over a decade ago and for the past three years. I'm here to oppose ab 2-25-20, the special use application for 340 East Davis Boulevard. When I was on the dica board the first time, a special use request was given for the building and the houses bank ozk which happens to be the northernmost building in Davis island business district. And dica and the residents were successful in getting that alcohol request denied because it was the closest to the northern end and next to residential areas. I.e., the 250-foot separation. 340 east Davis is -- happens to be the furthest south building in the Davis island business district. Putting it, again, closest to the residential areas, including where they are requesting to have alcohol be open, which is in their parking lot, which is right up to the street of where the residential area is. An ice cream parlor would be nice, a nice family place where kids could go and have ice cream and me as well. I don't agree that there's any reason that they need to put alcohol in an ice cream parlor, especially being able to drink outside in what is now the parking lot because we know people who are drinking generally tend to get noisy and loud. Because it is right next to the residential area, I request that you deny this alcohol request. Thank you.

2:01:43PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. My name is rich garnic. I've been a resident of Davis island since '92. I came from chicago. So I know a little bit about crowding. I know a little bit about crime, too. I know a little bit about drinking. I used to work in an er. I used to see a lot of people that had injuries because of alcohol abuse. I'm not saying that all people abuse alcohol, but there is that potential. So I am strongly opposed against this. I find it outrageous that people here actually believe Davis Islands can benefit from another place that serves alcohol. Davis Islands has needs like stormwater drainage, maybe some better lighting, a lot of other things, but there is no need for another place to serve alcohol. I strongly oppose that. It is just too close to the people that live there. I mean, they are just like a few feet away from residents. I find that outrageous that people really believe that and we could benefit from another place that we can serve. When I heard that there was going to be an ice cream shop, I thought that was great. It's going to be wonderful. Finally, I can get some ice cream. No, I don't want to be next to a drunk with my grandkids and having to explain to my grandkids maybe why that person is acting that way. You know, like we have anchor bar there. We have many places that you can get even packaged liquor on this place that I thought was a paradise when I first moved down here. And to actually consider that we're turning into a soho area maybe even an ybor strip is just ludicrous, and preposterous. I don't see any benefit. Yes, ice cream, no to the alcohol. There is no point nor rhyme or reason. I also heard rumors that there's going to be some other things going on outside there, too. I drove by Davis island, the downtown area I think November 4. There was like a rave party out in front of 220 and 218. It was appalling. This little paradise was kid friendly, family friendly. We used to go to have pizzas there. Enjoy the ballpark. Enjoy many of the activities there. And to add another place is just -- I just don't understand it. So I strongly oppose that. Thank you.

2:04:17PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please.

2:04:38PM Start with your name.

Martin Shelby

2:04:56PM Mr. Chairman, a speaker waiver form. Please acknowledge your presence. Susan gullidge. Four minutes, please.

Alan Clendenin

2:05:05PM Thank you. Start with your name. You have four minutes. I was speaking on the 30th as well. I've worked 32 years as a registered nurse. I'd be happy to give a resum upon request at Tampa General Hospital, specializing in trauma, burn, icu, emergency care and education. I'm also a teaching instructor at Hillsborough College for over a decade. I strongly oppose this based on health and other reasons. I want to clarify and also apologize if I didn't make my concerns more vocal, especially on behalf of all the residents that live within 250 feet. The people that live in 250 feet did speak. Jerry green, pat green, also my wife Jamie defraties. Mark Taylor also signed the application. I've got to find that. And then I'll show it to you in a second. But those are the people that are directly -- directly taken by this proposal. They are within the 250 feet. I want to make sure that the location currently is not designated as a wet zone. And the surrounding block includes family oriented service based businesses, t and l nails, duckweed grocery, wag the dog. Introducing alcohol services into this environment and within 39 feet of residential homes is incompatible to the character and the need of the neighborhood. One waiver would reduce the required residential buffer from 250 feet, 250 feet to just 39 feet. That is an 84% reduction. That places alcohol services virtually in someone's backyard. Mine and the other five people I told you about. As a certified board registered nurse with decades of experience in acute care, I can attest to serious health consequences and chronic sleep disruption and stress. These are not abstract concerns. They are well documented contributors to cardiovascular disease, mental health decline and weakened immune function. The proximity of this alcohol service to residential homes introduces noise, traffic, late-night disturbances, and directly threatens the well-being of nearby families. This is a public health issue as much as a zoning one. I'd like to refer now to this up on the board on the elmo. If you can go ahead and hit that. I put that in your packet. These are reasons I've got to convince, I guess three of you guys why this is not a good idea. Yes to ice cream, no to these things. Health reasons. Late-night activity, related disturbances can disrupt sleep. I can agree to that. Increases stress for nearby residents. Zoning violations, requested waivers, undermine the intent of Tampa zoning code which protects residential buffers. That's what this is. It's a buffer between the existing places and the residential areas. Community opposition. Also in your packet, you have over 89 Tampa area residents sign the petition in just one week opposing. This is with change.org. And then also 50 of those residents are from Davis Islands. So to say that this is a situation where you have so much support, that's not the case. Don't do this. Misrepresentation, if this is an ice cream shop, alcohol services is unnecessary and misleading to the public. And then you also have some more information in your packet. That's four minutes?

2:08:50PM You have 30 seconds left. Cream. We are against alcohol creeping into spaces meant for families and quietly living. Please reject this application, protect the health and safety and character of our neighborhood, especially for those who live within 250 feet of the buffer created by this board, City Council in the past. Thank you so much.

2:09:11PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. I'm Gary brown. I have been sworn. I am a 42-year resident of Davis Islands. I've served on the VRB and the di stewardship committee both for eight years. I mention this because I bring a different perspective of what this application means to Davis Islands. I'm not just some old, longtime resident who is opposed to change. I'm an owner of 404 East Davis Boulevard, the closest single-family property to the applicant. Just 60 feet away. Across chesapeake avenue to the south. I was out of town at the first reading of the application, so I'm here to state my opposition to the requested waivers. Reducing the separation beer and wine locations already eight different places to purchase beer and wine within the two blocks of the village. Do we really need one more? Reducing the required parking by 95 percent for what is now a greatly expanded service area of over 4500 square feet, mostly outside, just doesn't make sense, does it? The applicant could use that outdoor space for on-site parking, but instead installed turf to increase the allowable serving area. Why is this okay when it's been known that parking has been a problem in the village for decades? Reducing the separation buffer to nearby single-family to just 39 feet. This location is on the southern edge of the village abutting single-family residences. Maybe the standard for the current distance is excessive in the minds of City Council today, but this separation is in the code for a reason. Which you've already heard about. I don't believe that anyone who has previously spoken in favor of this application actually lives within a thousand feet of it. I'm all in favor of a successful business such as the ice cream shop. This request appears to me that the owner of this property is hedging his bet that if the ice cream shop fails, he'll still have the beer and wine license to perhaps open a different kind of business in the future without permission. I respectfully request that you deny this.

2:11:41PM Thank you very much. Any other members of the public wish to speak to this item? Applicant, would you like a rebuttal? Bear with me. I have a couple of different points that I want to address that were just raised in public comments. The first one I think there was some speculation and maybe some binder handouts about this not being a complete application. Staff has complete discretion to set the applications for City Council. They are not automatically put on an agenda. I wanted to make that perfectly clear. The second point I wanted to note is in regards to parking. There were comments made about the fact that this was not addressed at first reading. This is the exact slide from the October 30 presentation in which I said that we are the outdoor space is driving up the parking requirement and thus we are required a pretty substantial waiver. I think we discussed that in detail. I think that was understood why that waiver is there. If somebody was drinking a sprite or coke out there, we would not have to park them. Because this is an alcohol application, we have to count them as occupancy in the backyard area. The backyard is around 3,000 square feet. That is the size of my backyard at home. Not a large space. The next point I wanted to note was in regards to I think there was some talk about the distance waiver. That's noted code section compliance in case it wasn't clear at the first reading. I wanted you all to have a copy of that. And then there was a comment made about precedent setting. This was also shown at the first reading as well. The site is commercially zoned. This isn't going to set a precedent that alcohol will extend further into the district, extend further into residential areas. The site is commercially zoned. The hours correspond to alcohol sales. Somebody could operate an establishment there doing any other commercial allowed use until all hours of the morning if they wanted to. This is specifically related to alcohol sales. That brings me to my next point, which is that -- and we discussed this at first reading as well. There is a lot of talk and in the letter submitted, adhere to the code, adhere to the code. Shouldn't be waivers to the code. The code allows you to sell alcohol until 3 a.m. so that's why those specific protections are in place. Of course, you don't want somebody drinking alcohol until 3 a.m. next to your residential property. I understand that. That's exactly why we have taken the liberty to make commitments to this proposal. Again, we are proposing to end alcohol sales at 9 on the weekdays and At 10 on the weekends. I'll quote Chairman Clendenin, I know he's been quoted once, get quoted again. This is a very modest application, and that goes in tandem with the waiver request. If we were seeking 3 a.m. hours, this wouldn't be happening. We wouldn't be here. We feel that the limited hours, the commitment to no outdoor amplified sound, that is what makes that waiver viable and makes this blendable with the residential community. There were some concerns, I know this has been mentioned before, about this becoming South Howard, if we judged every application with the fear that the neighborhood would become South Howard, nobody would be drinking at any establishments anywhere. You all have approved bars and restaurants within Palma Ceia and within different neighborhoods in the city and people love those. People love a place to go grab a drink. That doesn't mean some neighborhood is going to become South Howard because we allow alcohol sales until 9 p.m. at night. That is not a direct correlation. My last and final point is I did want to reiterate that nothing has changed from October 30th. Nothing. We had a waiver that we were required to include on the plan that wasn't specifically on the plan, but was robustly discussed at this first reading. That is the only difference, and we made all the required site plan changes which were adopted in the motion to be made between readings. There is no new information here. We have made no other changes. This is exactly the same. What has changed between October 30 and today is extreme online fearmongering via next door and people rallying the troops to show up here. Our supporters unfortunately work during the day, could not make it to the second reading. I think you all heard how excited a lot of the neighborhood is about the establishment. I'm happy to answer any questions. If you need any clarification on anything, please let me know.

2:16:00PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:16:01PM Thank you. I just want to reiterate, no amplified sound is on the site plan.

2:16:09PM Staff, I think Mr. --

Leo Debardeleben

2:16:16PM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Yes, Councilwoman. Those changes have been made and that note is on the site plan.

Lynn Hurtak

2:16:22PM Thank you. No chairs and tables on the site plan in the outdoor area? Application.

Leo Debardeleben

2:16:34PM That wasn't discussed.

Alan Clendenin

2:16:38PM That was 220.

Lynn Hurtak

2:16:40PM Okay. I could have sworn it was both. The outdoor area. 220 we weren't. Couldn't have service out there.

2:16:50PM But that's -- outside. We committed to no alcohol service outside. You could get a drink and walk out back, but you couldn't purchase a drink back there.

2:17:10PM The final question I have is on the site plan, does it say it's open until 9 p.m. on Monday through Wednesday and 10 p.m. Thursday through Sunday or is it just alcohol sales? We clarified this. Before workforce ab sales. Recently staff asked that we include the hours of operation.

2:17:33PM On the site plan, the hours of operation are -- there we go. Very top.

2:17:50PM Going old school. The wolf has really great lenses.

Leo Debardeleben

2:18:02PM I can share my screen.

Lynn Hurtak

2:18:05PM Can you put that back? Yeah, we're not speed readers.

Guido Maniscalco

2:18:10PM Monday through Wednesday 10 p.m. and then 11 p.m. Thursday through Sunday, hours of operation.

Lynn Hurtak

2:18:19PM Thank you. Appreciate.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:22PM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

2:18:26PM I'm thinking a lot about this because we have a lot of information. I love ice cream. I eat ice cream every day and Tampa needs more ice cream shops. That's great. When I saw this, I said, great, another place that I can visit. Again, I try to -- especially --

Alan Clendenin

2:18:46PM Questions. We're not at pontificating yet. It's not closed. Just questions.

Guido Maniscalco

2:18:53PM If this business fails and I hope it doesn't fail, what happens then with the limitations that we have on the serving -- or the sales of alcohol? I see 9:00 and 10:00, 9 on weekdays, 10 on the weekends. If this business goes under and a restaurant wants to come in, do they come before us again and say we want to serve until 1:00 or 12:00 if it is a different establishment in the future since the alcohol goes with the land, what happens? Is it reset?

Susan Johnson-Velez

2:19:22PM Councilman, you are correct. The alcohol approval does go with the land. The special use permit is for small venue but specific use is a restaurant. We keep talking about an ice cream shop but it is a restaurant which is the use you would be approving if you approve it. It doesn't ever have to be an ice cream shop. It could be a restaurant tomorrow. That is the use they are requesting. Everybody keeps saying ice cream shop, but it is a restaurant would be the approval.

Alan Clendenin

2:19:53PM The hours remain.

Susan Johnson-Velez

2:19:54PM Hours of operation would stay the same unless someone came in to try to change them.

Guido Maniscalco

2:19:59PM If another restaurant came in, they would be subject to the 9 and 10 weekday, weekends.

Susan Johnson-Velez

2:20:08PM Correct. Whatever is on the site plan is part of your approval.

Guido Maniscalco

2:20:12PM No outdoor patio furniture. Just an open turf space? What is it going to look like? I saw in one of the renderings, one person standing there and like seven and a half square feet person per kind of thing. Monkey bars. We wanted parents to be able to go check on their children while holding a beverage. It's not intended to be used as outdoor gathering space. Intended for children to play. Not the whoa, can't cross the line while holding a drink. I misspoke on the hours. Intended to be changed between readings but site plan still shows 10 p.m. weekday, 11 p.m. weekend. If that is an issue for people and set on this 9 and 10, happy to do this, repeat first reading, change on the site plan, make any other commitments we need to make and repeat second reading. I apologize. I thought that was fixed between readings.

Alan Clendenin

2:21:12PM Some clarity actually exists on the site plan. We intended it to be 9 and 10. Happy to revise that. Open this as first reading, read that. We completely intended it to be 9 and 10. Must have gotten missed.

2:21:34PM Staff, is the site plan that we have?

Leo Debardeleben

2:21:42PM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Yeah, that is the copy of the latest iteration of the site plan that we have.

Alan Clendenin

2:21:49PM To get the original intended hours, we need to go back and have another -- this would be the first reading and then another second. Another change to the change. Got it. Council have any other questions? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:22:05PM If we are going to go to first reading again, can we get a commitment to no chairs and tables? Hundred percent. Happy to add that.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:19PM Okay. Mr. Shelby, how would we like to deal with this one? Motion to continue the item -- read it like a first reading. Reading and read the title and make the changes that you want to have accomplished between first and second reading.

2:22:42PM Councilman Viera, did you copy those change requests, the change of the hours and no outdoor furniture? Councilman Viera, when you are ready, would you read this as a first reading, please? Motion to close Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

Luis Viera

2:23:06PM Mr. Chairman, I hereby read an ordinance presented for second reading and adoption --

2:23:12PM First. Sorry. Long day. Long week, long year. Hereby read an ordinance presented for first reading and adoption. Thank you for that, council. My bad. First reading, end it there. Ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, consumption on premises only and making lawful the sale of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 340 East Davis Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date, with hours of operation and outdoor furniture notated.

Lynn Hurtak

2:23:57PM Hours of operation 9 p.m. Monday through Wednesday, 10 p.m. Thursday through Sunday and no chairs and tables or outdoor furniture on the site plan.

Alan Clendenin

2:24:08PM We have a motion from Councilman Viera.

Guido Maniscalco

2:24:11PM Second. May I pontificate? The words of 2025 are slow roll and pontificate. Most used. I'm seconding this. We take it back to first reading consideration because of the changes. But when I looked at the map, this is the last commercial property before residential. I didn't think about this. This is the Davis island commercial district. There is a house across the street, apartments in the back, and then if you look over further north, there is molly Malone's and anchor bar, which are full liquor not too far away. But this is the last commercial property before you get into the neighborhood. We're going to take it back to first reading consideration, but I'll think about this further and leave it at that. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:10PM We have a motion and we have a second. Any further discussion? Please record your vote.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:18PM Voice vote. First reading.

Luis Viera

2:25:20PM Yes. Miranda is absent. Maniscalco?

Guido Maniscalco

2:25:25PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:26PM Yes.

Naya Young

2:25:29PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

2:25:30PM Yes.

The clerk

2:25:31PM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent at vote and Miranda being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on December 4, 2025 At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:51PM Motion to open 1:30 public hearings. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it. Item number 65. We have a motion to withdraw item 65 from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Item 65 is withdrawn. Item number 62.

Eric Cotton

2:26:24PM Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. We have a powerpoint that's revised from the one that was present -- that was uploaded into onbase. Dana helped and she split it into 62, 63, 64 all in the same powerpoint. Question for council, since you have a long agenda still ahead, do you want me to charge through this?

Alan Clendenin

2:26:45PM Charge through it.

Eric Cotton

2:26:46PM Eric Cotton again. The last time we were here before you was in the September workshop in which we discussed the changes that had to be made from the original July 2024 due to the changes to senate bill 180 and the changes that were made to that. So we have a couple of amendments. Which was to change the build-to line in Seminole Heights, included in that change are graphics that reflect visibly how you measure that in the drawings.

Alan Clendenin

2:27:20PM Hold on one second.

Lynn Hurtak

2:27:24PM If you wouldn't mind just for the public just clarifying what that is because I've gotten a couple of questions from Seminole Heights.

Eric Cotton

2:27:33PM Build-to line is measured based from the property line back to the property based on the average of the two lots on either side of the subject property.

Alan Clendenin

2:27:44PM Giving me ptsd.

Lynn Hurtak

2:27:46PM No. so the question is, the build-to line, where is it being measured from? That was specifically the question I got.

Eric Cotton

2:27:54PM Measured from the property line back towards the structure itself.

Lynn Hurtak

2:27:57PM It's not from the middle of the street.

Eric Cotton

2:28:00PM Not from street, not from edge of pavement, measured from the property line. That's what the drawings will now definitely reflect that change.

Lynn Hurtak

2:28:07PM Great. Appreciate that.

Eric Cotton

2:28:10PM The other changes were administratively done either by myself or by Dana. One was the appeals of the ARC instead of going directly to council, they would be appealed to the ARC. Decisions by the ARC administrator. Having to provide the buffer when adjacent to commercial. That was something that was inadvertently put into code that we intend to remove. Other one was generator stands and setbacks and ac units. As TECO, if you recall the conversation, TECO required people to get up and out of the flood zone, ac units had to be up and out of the flood zone. Incorporated it in the code. Had not previously been in the code.

Lynn Hurtak

2:28:55PM Just a reminder, what is that setback?

Eric Cotton

2:28:57PM The setback is three feet. That's what has been in the code for as long as I've been at the city.

Lynn Hurtak

2:29:04PM Yes, I appreciate. Just wanted to make sure people know.

Eric Cotton

2:29:10PM That was the first round. That's item 62. There's no questions on that.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:17PM Hearing none. Next.

Eric Cotton

2:29:20PM I think you have to take a vote.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:22PM I thought you would present them all.

Eric Cotton

2:29:26PM Okay. That's cool. Next is -- text amendment to comply with senate bill 1080. State should have been 180 and 1080. Should have kept a different number affiliated with that. Two of those. One is to create the standards for site plans. Some of that was not currently in the code. Narrowed down just to the variances because of senate bill 180 -- yes, sir.

Martin Shelby

2:29:51PM I'm just asking. Are you into number 63 now?

Eric Cotton

2:29:55PM Yes. Item 63.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:58PM We were going to have him present all items and vote.

Martin Shelby

2:30:01PM Heard together, voted separately.

Alan Clendenin

2:30:05PM Yes. Follow along. [ laughter ]

Eric Cotton

2:30:09PM The only change was strictly to the Variance Review Board. The application for the variances, because senate bill 180 prohibited changes to the design exceptions. I know there were items that we wanted to make modifications to. The other section is to 284.2.5 which is the tree and landscape regulations, about tree removal, which was instead of having -- which would allow the arborist report to be used instead of requiring staking out the actual site. Natural resources says you need to stake out the site, that's still in the code that would allow that requirement to be in there. So that would be -- that is the summary of item 63 or proposed ordinance for item 63. Going into 64 is the extended family residence language, which the amendment was to try to bring it into compliance with the changes that were made to the accessory dwelling units in probably two cycles ago. So that was the changes. Basically property should be homesteaded, nonconforming structures could be used for an extended family residence. Previously we deny administratively come before City Council. And then the yearly -- the inspections during covid, stopped doing the inspections. Changed it to doing signed affidavit. Who is the individual living there and codified that requirement. Any questions on item --

Alan Clendenin

2:31:41PM Any questions for staff? For public comment, I'll call them one at a time. Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to item 62? Hearing none. Anybody in the audience who wishes to speak to item 63? We have two. Staff presented them all. I'm asking public comment individually. You want to speak to item 63?

2:32:09PM Very good. Start with your name, please. I want to say how happy I am about the site plan for the VRB. My forehead is bloody from beating my head against the wall at VRB and trying to get things done right. I was at a hearing where the hearing had been going on for an hour and one of the members finally said, is this a one-story or two-story? And they said, oh, it's two-story. It wasn't reflected. They didn't even have the footprint of what they were building. They asked, well, how many square feet? We haven't decided yet. It was horrible. So I'm very, very, very happy to see that. My only question about, and one of the parts about the tree I really like. My question is about the staking. I don't fully understand why it's now becoming optional. The staking is very helpful. We tend to be visual human beings. The natural resources people, I think they like being able to go to the site because they do and see. I know the neighbors and other people, some of them don't even know how to look up an arborist report. So they don't understand what's being done. But if you are walking your dog and see the stakes, oh, well, that's good. That's bad. Whatever. I don't understand the staking and making it optional and I don't think that is a good idea. Thank you.

2:33:35PM Thank you. Next speaker, please. Oh, you're doing tree.

2:33:51PM Anybody else here that wishes to speak to 63? Hearing none. Are you hear to speak to 64? All three, actually. I got a text message that says the July 2025 publicly initiated text cycle has zero information online. Nothing on the website and supposedly they had a public meeting this week on it. This is 24. Extended family units, like I said, the homestead covers it for the military folks, assuming that they are keeping their homestead in Tampa or in Florida. But I'm concerned that you can't charge a family member money. I'm sorry. I have a friend who lives across the street whose mother lives with her. She's 85. She gives them money. So why would you say that an extended family member can't give you money to pay their way? It takes away some of the power from the people who you are trying to help. Sometimes very, very proud people have to live with their children. And they don't want to live there for free. But this ordinance makes it not okay to live there -- pay utility, pay something. I own my mother's house. I made her pay rent because otherwise she would drink it all. It paid the taxes. That's all it did, but paid the taxes. There are other extenuating factors. I don't understand why that would be illegal. It doesn't make sense to me that it would be illegal because that's what happens when it's in the code. Thank you.

2:35:37PM Staff, I had the same question. Why go to the --

Eric Cotton

2:35:44PM Distinction in the code between an accessory dwelling unit and extended family residence. Extended family residence has been in the code under chapter 43a. So that language has been in the code for a very long time. Right now it says we cleared it up because as it says in the code right now, it says residents may not pay rent. Goal is for extended family residence, to be a family member. The concern is if you start, regardless of what people signed, if you start allowing people to pay rent or pay for -- can't be separately metered for utilities. There's no way to capture that cost. If you start saying to somebody, well, I have an extended family residence, you are my cousin now and you can pay me a thousand dollars a month to live here. That is the concern that council historically has had on the special use requirements for extended family. Councilman Miranda was here, he would be talking about the ones in West Tampa.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:54PM It seems weird making somebody a criminal. All now wink, wink, nod, nod. Seems weird to codify and turn it into a criminal act.

Lynn Hurtak

2:37:06PM I've spoken about this before. I do not understand why we have two different ways, especially now that adus are becoming more prevalent. Not only that, we were speaking about this earlier about the fact that there is legislation that has been put into tallahassee that would make adus legal everywhere and totally take it out of our hands. I really think that in the land development code update, if we're not doing it now, I think in the land development code update we need to reconsider extended family dwellings to simply be accessory dwelling units. I don't see the difference right now. I mean, I understand there is a technical difference, but I don't see that people are using them that way. Because, yes, technically you can already -- it's not mandated. It says it is illegal to pay, but I wouldn't know of anyone who wouldn't. And we can't stop that. If the person living there pays, we can't do anything about that. That's where I've always had a frustration with extended family dwelling units. I think adus, the rules can fix it. I'll support it now because I know there is change coming from the state level, whatever it will be, in the spring. I'm fine with this for now. Either waiting for the state or looking at it during our revamp of the land development code is something I would like to see.

Eric Cotton

2:38:29PM Yes, ma'am. My understanding of the difference between the two is for taxing purpose, from the property appraiser will tax an adu because it is income generated where an extended family, family member is not supposed to be income generating so they don't set that as additional tax.

Alan Clendenin

2:38:45PM Do you think that distinction would still be there with may versus shall?

Eric Cotton

2:38:49PM For -- I'm not the property appraiser. I would imagine the answer to the question would still be yes. Have to ask them.

Alan Clendenin

2:38:59PM Councilwoman Young, do you have any questions?

Naya Young

2:39:02PM That was actually going to be my question. Language is one word can really change things so the difference between the may and the shall, I guess I kind of have the same sentiments. Why the change? Why change? Because may is more permissive and shall is kind of more definitive. Why that change?

Eric Cotton

2:39:30PM It's been a discussion in the time I've been with the city from City Council. One individual who brings up a lot is not here today. But that's been always a concern from City Council was people getting extended family residences and then turning them into rental properties. This is before adus became a thing in the city. Adus outside of the area near Lowry Park zoo, central Tampa, adus elsewhere in the city have only been around about two years. Prior to that, that was the only area that allowed them. Extended family area residences allowed everywhere else.

Lynn Hurtak

2:40:10PM Seminole Heights and Tampa Heights since 2007.

Eric Cotton

2:40:14PM Since the district went into effect. Correct. I apologize. Before that, extended family residence in the area by Lowry Park.

Alan Clendenin

2:40:22PM What is the sentiment of Tampa, shall versus may, Tampa City Council.

Lynn Hurtak

2:40:28PM I don't think we need to change it. I think may is fine. Councilman Carlson, what is your feeling on this?

Alan Clendenin

2:40:49PM Any further questions?

Lynn Hurtak

2:41:01PM He is not Mr. Sienk. He is Planning commissioner.

Alan Clendenin

2:41:05PM I'll call you tpo Sienk.

Lynn Hurtak

2:41:10PM I am sorry. He is right. Commissioner-elect Sienk. Matt Sienk, 410 West Park Avenue on item 64. Something I wanted to bring up and it is the may versus the shall thing, which I think is really important. I'm not sure also how we're getting around bill 180. You can't be more restrictive than we were prior to the hurricane. And that sounds exactly like what we're doing. But I want to show you an example of something that is getting built in Tampa Heights. As an extended family residence. It has the overlay for design. It is historic district, so it has more cost and expense to get built. And this is a 700 square foot unit. First floor is garage. Second floor is living space. So you're talking about 377 square feet, I think, when it's all said and done. They are very expensive to build. You're paying for minimums for concrete. Paying for a whole air conditioning system. Paying a lot of really expensive things. If you look at sticks and bricks, not land, sticks and bricks before margin added to it, $165,000 to build this. Well, we have an aging population where a lot of the boomers are starting to retire and go into retirement incomes versus normal. They want to be closer to family. That may versus shall is a huge difference because people can offset some of the expenses but they might want to take their pension money or retirement money and apply it toward offsetting costs family members take on. Another layer expensive to build, we want people to be close to family, we want these things to build community but find a way where the balance is done where people can help offset their family members in a way that makes sense. Taking it to the shall really kills family members' ability to take on that responsibility and just puts more on the government, public services, charities, than we actually need to do. I want to bring up the cost factor of this and how you kind of make that work in reality because they are really expensive to build, price per square foot you're looking at, what, 450 bucks a square foot. It's a lot because you're paying for little tiny square footage. I think that's something that would be important for City Council to consider when looking at something like this. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:35PM Ms. Bennett, you want to speak to a different item? Carroll ann Bennett. I just want to point out that extended family units have always been allowed everywhere in the city. Anybody in the city can build an extended family unit. There's no geographic restrictions. As far as the may and the shall, normally to me, it's pretty clear the difference between the two. In the context of this sentence, honestly, I can't figure out the difference. Frankly, I'm a grammar nazi. I have to decide, do I want to correct the grammar or do I want to have friends? I'm not seeing it. Let me point out, I went to a lot of meetings about adus. One of the things that was brought out, if it's going to have income, it is actually sections out on the survey. The property appraiser evaluates it separate from the other residents. If it's going to be income producing, and that portion of the property, the percentage of the property doesn't get the protection of the 3% cap growing every year. Whereas, something like this, because there is no income, it would be different. So honestly, I feel like we have to have the property appraiser weigh in on this. I'm not an expert. I've just gone to the meetings and they said there were definite tax consequences if it was going to produce income. Grandma can always slip you a couple hundred.

2:45:13PM Well taken. Anybody else wishing to speak to any one of these three items? I'll open it up again for all three items? Anybody else? Hearing none, one at a time, let's go with item 62. Mr. Carlson, would you -- can I get a motion to close all public hearings?

Lynn Hurtak

2:45:38PM I have a question. Can I just have one? Because we are debating may versus shall, can you give us your legal opinion on this? I think that Ms. Bennett and Eric Cotton have given the history of how that has always been handled and how it's been defined. Reasons why do go back to your tax consequences. It is very correct that may and shall have very different meanings when looking at laws and bills and whatnot. But if someone were to charge, it says they may not currently under this code. If they were to charge rent, they would no longer be efr. They would be an adu. That could give rise to other issues such as zoning issues and whatnot. If you would like us to change it back to may because you are more comfortable with that, just understand that -- senate bill 180 concerns with the shall because we're not changing anything in our practice. Nobody is having to do something now that they don't have to do last year. You still can't charge rent or you'll have other consequences such as zoning and taxes. You can change it back and there would be no heartburn, but I'm fully comfortable either way.

2:46:57PM I think that's really my question. If it doesn't matter if we change it either way, then what does it matter? It was really meant to clarify so people understand, like eric said, we're having more adus coming into the community but they are limited geographically. This was really intended to make it abundantly clear if you want to build an efr anywhere in the city where adu may not be allowed then you are not going to be able to charge your family rent because it's an efr.

2:47:27PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:29PM Mr. Carlson. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:47:31PM In either interpretation, does it allow, would it allow airbnb under state law? Properties. If you build an efr, like eric said, we go and check every year to make sure you have your family member in that building. So that is the intent. If that were to be misused, then we would have to do a Code Enforcement action.

2:48:00PM I want to make sure. Somebody will ask. Is why we have a longer period of time than a lot of other cities. This should never be a short-term rental because now you are violating your approval.

Alan Clendenin

2:48:19PM Can I get a motion to close the 1:30? Motion from Hurtak, second from Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Bill Carlson

2:48:28PM Read the whole thing?

Alan Clendenin

2:48:31PM Yeah.

Bill Carlson

2:48:31PM I move item number 62, file e2025-8, CH 27, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, relating to publicly initiated text amendments, making revisions to City of Tampa Code of Ordinances, amending chapter 27, zoning and land development, amending section 27-43, definitions, amending section 27-118, approvals by ARC administrator; amending section 27-211.1, general administrative procedures; amending section 27-211.2.1, general district development standards for Seminole Heights -- residential single-family detached sh-rs district; amending section 27-211.2.2, general district development standards for Seminole Heights, residential, single-family attached sh-rs-a district; amending section 27-211.2.3 general district development standards for Seminole Heights, residential multifamily sh-rm district; amending section 27-211.2.4, general district development standards for Seminole Heights, residential office sh-ro district; amending section 27-211.2.5 general district development standards for Seminole Heights, commercial neighborhood, sh-cn district; amending section 27-211.6, development standards for commercial, mixed-use or other nonresidential sh-cg and sh-ci development; amending section 27-284.3.3, landscaped area and tree planting requirements; amending section 27-290.6, air conditioning and pool equipment; providing for severability; repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith; providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:50:41PM Thank you. We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. We have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. This is a legislative -- we do a verbal vote, right? All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. The electronic vote was flashing at me.

The clerk

2:50:58PM Motion carried unanimously. Second reading and adoption will be held on December 4, 2025, At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Martin Shelby

2:51:11PM With Miranda being absent.

The clerk

2:51:13PM With Miranda being absent.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:15PM Item number 63. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

2:51:34PM Yes, sir. I read an ordinance presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, relating to publicly initiated text amendments, making revisions to City of Tampa Code of Ordinances, amending chapter 27, zoning and land development, creating section 27-71, site development plan for variances, amending section 27-284.2.5 permit for grand tree removal, application, required documentation, standards and criteria for decision, inspections, petition for review, providing for severability, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:08PM We have a motion from Councilman Viera. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

2:52:15PM Motion carried unanimously with Miranda being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on December 4, 2025, At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:30PM Thank you. Item number 64, Councilwoman Young, would you like to read that for us, please?

Naya Young

2:52:36PM Item 64, e2025-8 chapter 27, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, relating to publicly initiated text amendments, making revisions to City of Tampa Code of Ordinances, amending section 27-132 regulations governing individual special uses, providing for severability, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:53:05PM Thank you. We have a motion from Councilwoman Young. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:53:09PM I would like to change that shall to may. I don't know what sentence it is. Is there -- could you just put it on the wolf and I'll read that sentence out loud? That way we don't have to open the hearing again. This is my amendment for you, Councilwoman Young, for section 27-132, subsection f, the occupants of the extended family residence may not pay rent for the use of residence or property. Do you accept the amendment?

Alan Clendenin

2:53:48PM We have a friendly amendment from Councilwoman Hurtak. Do you accept the friendly amendment?

Naya Young

2:53:53PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

2:53:53PM We have a friendly amendment from Councilwoman Hurtak. Maker of the motion has accepted the amendment. The motion for item 64 as amended, all those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:54:05PM Motion carried unanimously with Miranda being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on December 4, 2025, At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:20PM Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:54:26PM I want to talk about 66.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:27PM We are moving on to item 66. Should we have the staff presentation first?

Lynn Hurtak

2:54:33PM I don't know that we need to. That's kind of why I want to have the discussion. Staff came to me twice about this. I brought up every single thing that was brought up in public comment today and they wanted to bring it forward anyway. I understand we'll have people here to talk about it, but ultimately, I don't even know that we need to. I think there are other issues that we can debate. Quite frankly, I don't want to spend a lot of time on something that we are not going to approve.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:03PM I don't have a crystal ball. Councilman Carlson -- Councilwoman Carlson. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:55:18PM So I've had a lot of, a lot of complaints about this, the gangs, the motorized bicycles, running over people, threatening people. It's bad enough that there are a lot of bicyclists who aren't following the rules. All kind of dangerous things. One of the reasons why Tampa gets a bad rap for bicycle safety is because there are so many people that don't ride them correctly and break all the rules. When I was an activist before I got elected, I was out in front fighting against biking while black. It was a terrible policy. It was created by a mayor who intentionally was oppressing the black community in Tampa. It was put in place by a handful of people that created that policy, and it included incentives to incentivize people to -- I talked to reporters who wrote the stories. It was not an accidental thing where they happened to pull over a bunch of black people. It was a horrific policy that was intended to oppress people and get them and force them to move out of the city which succeeded because a lot of people did move out of the city between that and renting while black. We absolutely cannot push this again. If you are worried about -- I don't know with all the new rules from the federal government, if we're allowed to do this. We have updates on biking while black occasionally, what we should do is get updates on this occasionally if we have it to make sure that nobody is abusing it, and that the administration doesn't target anybody. But a random person, regardless of their color, is riding a motorized bicycle and threatening people who are on bicycle or on foot should get a ticket and the gangs of people that are threatening people, pulling up around cars and threatening them, I had people calling me crying about that and they want the police to have more. So we need to make sure it's not racially oppressive, although this mayor was one of the architects of biking while black. She apologized for it. I don't think she will do it again. We can try to put the safeguards in to make sure that doesn't happen.

Alan Clendenin

2:57:22PM I know we just did the grace of having this discussion first. I think at this point, it would be important to follow council procedures. Let's start with the presentation and handle this as we normally would, normal council business. Staff, would you please do a presentation? Here for first reading of item 66. As you know, I think I talked with each one of you prior to bringing this forward because aware of some of the concerns out there and we wanted to provide some support and comfort level that this ordinance is put in place purely as a public safety ordinance, purely because we have received complaints. You have received the complaints and we've talked about that. City Council members have received these complaints from the public. Tampa Police has received complaints from the public. I have reams of e-mails from the public with concerns about this and also my Parks Department has received lots of complaints from the public. Based on large groups of bicyclists on these multimodal trails, based on folks out there doing tricks and wheelies and things like that based on the electronic vehicles that are out there now. Remember, this is focused purely on our multimodal trails right now. This isn't going to be something that's going to be enforced on our regular streets and our regular parks. This is something that is for the multimodal trails. That is the purpose, to protect what those are put in place for, which you approved many years ago. Riverwalk, Bayshore Boulevard, other trails. They are intended for specific purpose and that purpose is being defeated because of folks out on bikes doing tricks and wheelies, large groups of cyclists and all these new electronic vehicles that are out on those trails impeding what the purpose is, which is for the regular members of our public to be able to enjoy traversing the riverwalk, Bayshore Boulevard and other trails without being terrified they will get knocked over. Let's talk about what the ordinance does. What it does, it prohibits folks from doing wheelies, from doing tricks, from doing stunts. That's not going to be allowed. It sets a new speed limit on these trails down to 10 miles per hour, which is primarily to address the concerns with the electric vehicles that can get pretty high in their speed. We're also going to require groups of cyclists or groups of any vehicles to ride two abreast in these areas. Obviously, if you ride two abreast, that gives room for the pedestrians, for others who are using the multimodal trails to be able to traverse without any complications. Finally, we're going to limit the width of the vehicles that can be on the multimodal trails because the purpose is really for walkers and cyclists and folks who are not taking up a lot of space and allowing others to get around and move without any concern. That's what it does. It's very limited in terms of what the restrictions are. We do have enforcement mechanisms. We have to have the enforcement mechanisms. And those are at the lowest that we have, $75 for a violation. And this is important, Councilman Clendenin and I talked about this some, we wanted to make sure that the public is aware of what the violation would be before we cite anybody. And that's what we've got an agreement on. If this is approved, there will not be a citation for a violation of this ordinance for 30 days. And during that time city Parks and Recreation and Tampa Police will provide an educational campaign for the public to make them aware. We'll have signage up, but we'll have direct programs in place to make folks aware of what the potential violations can be. One of the other issues that came up, and this was with Councilwoman Young, we talked about this the other day. Alternatives. If the kids can't do their tricks and all that good stuff out on the riverwalk and other multimodal trails, what can they do? We checked. We have two parks that have skate parks which allow that kind of activity, which allow you to do bike stunts and all that good stuff. The county has multiple skate parks which would also be viable alternatives for the kids to do this kind of thing. This doesn't regulate the private sphere at all. If they are on private space, they can do whatever they want. That's not something that is controlled by this ordinance. The key is that we have these multimodal trails for a specific purpose. And that's being defeated because we have large groups of cyclists. Councilman Carlson, we have large groups of cyclists. We have the groups on their e-bikes and all that, and they are not allowing the public to enjoy these spaces the way they should. Many, many complaints have come in. You all have received and you know what I'm talking about. And that is the purpose here. What I want to do is bring up a couple of law enforcement officers who have observed what's been happening out there on the trails. They can talk to you about that a little bit. And then as needed we can have further discussion on enforcement and whether the concerns raised earlier today are something that we need to provide some kind of comfort level for you. First, we'll have -- can we have the officers come up first?

3:03:48PM Let's continue the presentation. Maniscalco will be next to speak and then I'll go back to the people who have spoken already. Corporal flanagan.

3:04:00PM We're trying to keep the presentations -- the timer wasn't set. We don't want to be here until midnight tonight. Came over to the bike unit in --

3:04:15PM Start with your name. Came last year to the bike unit. I quickly learned from the officers on the squad the limitations they deal with when trying to enforce some of the problems we deal with on a daily basis on the riverwalk. That's kind of how this conversation got started. I can tell you the complaints that you all see are many. When we ride almost on a daily basis, we're stopped by numerous people that have and expressed these concerns to us also. We talked to them, explained what our limitations are and what we're trying to do to help them, but spoken to many people about this issue, and there is a lot of concern within the community about it. And we are just -- our hands are kind of tied to what we can do to help them at this time.

3:05:03PM Name. To piggy back what Ryan said. Numerous complaints. The main thing I wanted to make sure you're aware of, we are here to educate them on the new rule. We won't be out there tackling people and taking them to jail. It's just one of those things to educate them. Listen, you guys have to slow down. You have to allow people to pass, popping wheelies, basic, basic stuff. When you get a large group of riders like that and they look like a gang, they are not necessarily a gang. It's 15, 16-year-olds most of the time but there are particular leaders of that group, and those are the ones that we will be after. We'll be educating them very well, but our number one goal is to not cite them like everybody was saying, we're going to just educate them on the rules. And at that point, then we'll go forward. But at the end of the day, it is a few select riders leading these groups of bikers. We sat and talked to them multiple times, and they are very respectful. 99% of the time. And they listen to us, but there are a few just like anywhere else that create some issues and that's what we're trying to deal with and trying to resolve all the complaints. I really appreciate your all's time.

3:06:20PM Did you have something to add? Do you want to wrap it up? We think it is an important ordinance. Something that was asked for that we heard many complaints about. That's one of the issues we run into. We get these complaints from the public, it seems like everybody is pretty much in favor of doing something to address the problem, so we're bringing it to you to try to address the problem. What I can say is that there are valid concerns raised from previous actions. Those cannot be used against us now because that's not what this ordinance is for and that's not how it's going to be implemented. Just by the very narrow scope of it, it limits what the concerns raised were, how they can impact the different communities.

3:07:20PM Thank you. Councilman Maniscalco. Councilman Viera, and then we'll go back to the two speakers.

Guido Maniscalco

3:07:26PM Thank you very much. Sir, does this cover the riverwalk?

Carl Brody

3:07:33PM Riverwalk, Bayshore, and the other multimodal trails, yes.

Guido Maniscalco

3:07:38PM Thank you very much. For the last five-plus years I've received endless complaints about biker gangs. At first I go, biker gangs on the riverwalk. I spend a lot of time on the riverwalk. Then more people started complaining. Then it was more people. And then friends of mine. What are you going to do about these biker gangs? What does it even look like. One Sunday night I was out there where you sit on like the swings kind of thing. Two people can sit. And all of a sudden it's like 30, 40 people very close together, popping wheelies, going through areas, this is like a Sunday at 7 p.m. there's kids. There's elderly people. Families, individual people walking, people on a date, whatever. I'm thinking to myself, this is what they mean. It comes out of nowhere and they are so close to folks that I'm thinking one head injury, one kid gets knocked over and slammed into the concrete, it's just a matter of time because it's so intense. One person complained and they said, you know, I guess he yelled at them saying hey, slow down, whatever. I think they followed him home. He lived somewhere in downtown area. So he's in fear. I don't even know how many complaints I've gotten over the years. Another thing is, I'm on the riverwalk, and I see the officers that are patrolling on the bikes. Not once have I ever seen them harass, bother. Just riding the bikes up and down keeping an eye on things. Then the security on the golf CARTs and whatnot. But I've never had an issue with that. I am supportive of this. I must have received at least a hundred complaints from people. Then I've witnessed it myself more than once. I'm thinking this is bad. Council member Carlson brought up a few good points. We should get status updates to what's being done so we know. I'm glad that one of the officers mentioned we're going to educate the public. You have 30 days to tell people, hey, slow down. Hey, we'll start ticketing. I think I heard the number like 70, 75 dollars. You don't need to take these people to jail and give them an arrest record. But at the very least, I don't want somebody getting hurt because it's city property. We're going to get sued. It is a liability. Someone is going to get hurt. Again, you get one head injury, you can kill somebody. They come at a rapid pace. People can laugh and go that's ridiculous. Once I witnessed this, it's bad. That riverwalk gets very, very busy. When I go, I go as early as I can and see a few people. Throughout the day, throughout the weekend, so many events. When it's busy, when there is river fest, trick or treating, Halloween out there, when it is full. They are not going to come out there. They come out there when it is busy. It's not like certain hours. It's anytime. The more people you have, the more risk is involved. Thank you for bringing this up. Again, we need to monitor the situation and see in a few months if it is working. How many people have been educated and see if we can make a dent in this. I've received over five years of complaints. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:10:51PM Thank you. Councilman Viera and then Councilwoman Hurtak.

Luis Viera

3:10:53PM My thoughts on this are very simple, which is we're getting a lot of reports of this issue, and we can't tell the public we're not going to do anything. That's the major thing. I think there is a reasonable path forward, which it says we pass the ordinance, again, we have status updates on potential inadvertent excesses that could come from a policy. I think we're all very, very sensitive to that. I think by saying essentially we're not going to pass anything to address this concern, that's wrong. That's very, very wrong. I remember about two years ago I was in Ybor City, we were having dinner and coming back, and there was, I don't know if it was a biker gang, whatever it was. A bunch of folks, about 20 folks on bikes going up 7th avenue. And I was driving one way and there were about ten bikes coming up against my car. It was very, very scary. It's funny, I forgot about that until today, ironically. Having updates on it in terms of inadvertent results of the policy I think are very, very important. Sometimes policies are passed which have caustic effects which we have to be aware of. I think of the so-called crime-free housing program. I was here for that. I opposed that early on and I spoke to police officers about that. I remember being at a pba police memorial event at Hunter's Green. I asked officers about it. One told me, I didn't sign up for policies like this, for the crime-free housing law. This is not such a policy. This is the stuff that people sign up to become police officers for because you're protecting the public. Why wouldn't protect the public? Again, if there are inadvertent results of this, we want to know. I think inquiries, quarterly, annually, whatever it may be, that for me is reasonable. I'm fine with that. Again, if we abdicate our responsibility inadvertently on this and essentially do nothing, I think that would be very, very misguided. Just my thoughts.

Alan Clendenin

3:13:03PM Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:13:04PM Thank you. To me, this is exactly the same thing as ybor curfew. We are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. First of all, this policy will not help you if your car is surrounded because this is only for multimodal trails. That's number one. Number two, I am the only person on this council that cycles at all. I had a lot of what I thought were productive conversations. None of my suggestions were seriously considered or just flat out said, no, we're not going to do that. My first one was $75 for a first offense ticket is ten hours of minimum wage work. And that's what we're doing. Talking about teenagers. Ten hours of minimum wage work for teenagers. I wanted a community service program. And they said that was too hard. But I think community service program is absolutely what we need for things like this because money is something that people can pay. Time is something you have to spend. Like, if you're spending your time and 30 hours of community service instead, to me, that is a much more meaningful and much more meaningful punishment and makes you think. But just slapping folks with a $75 fine and only 30 days to educate, I have a problem with. My other issue is I want it to be equal. I as a cyclist on the riverwalk have giant problems with people walking. They walk five abreast constantly and they don't want to move for you, even though I'm going the speed, dinging my bell and say on your left, they turn around and they look at you dirty and they are like, I don't want to move. I said, okay, then why don't we have it for pedestrians as well. If pedestrians should only walk two abreast. I thought that was very reasonable. They told me no. for me, this isn't just this. If you want to do something on the riverwalk, it needs to be for everybody. We need to say two abreast for walking. I think that's very reasonable. I think finding another way to teach -- and we're really talking a lot about young people here. Teaching young people not to do something, money isn't going to help that. My other issue is we have a speed limit already. I agree. I do believe we should move it down to 10 miles an hour, but I want to know how that is enforced now. We have a very clear 15-mile an hour rule on the riverwalk, how many tickets have we given out? How often has that worked? I agree, those e-bikes are awful. Let's legislate that and fix that, but I want to know how we actually go about ticketing folks for driving faster than that. These are the concerns I brought which I thought were very valid concerns, and no one wanted to consider them. So that's where I'm going to be on this. I will not vote for it currently as it is, but I will vote for it if it includes pedestrians having to walk two abreast and it also includes some type of community service or a much, much more reduced fee of maybe $20 because I don't want kids. Because what happens if it happens twice. If you are a teenager? First of all, you are not -- bless their souls, they are not ready. They aren't. They will make a mistake more than once. I don't want that to be something where they can't get a driver's license when they turn 16, that they can't get a job because they have all of these marks against them. I want to make it low enough if we are going to have a ticket that it is reasonable for young people to pay and so that they aren't in a system one way or the other. And I know we're not going to give them -- we're not going to arrest them or anything like that, but it has to be a very low fine so that -- and then after, like, the second or third fine, okay, then we start jacking it up. But we are really talking mostly about teenagers here. I want everyone to think about that. I have no problem with idea overall, but I really believe it needs more modification.

Alan Clendenin

3:17:56PM I don't disagree, Councilwoman Hurtak, but what I keep hearing when I was hearing you talk is that it is the search -- don't let the search of protection get in the way of actually doing something. I agree where you are going is probably a more perfect world, but you have to start somewhere. What-if it to death. Go ahead.

Lynn Hurtak

3:18:17PM No. yes, but what I'm saying are simple things. $75 is crazy.

Alan Clendenin

3:18:24PM Your issue about doing community service, that is a whole -- that is a big can of worms.

Lynn Hurtak

3:18:32PM Sure, which is why I said $20 is fine.

Alan Clendenin

3:18:36PM Councilwoman Young, go ahead.

Naya Young

3:18:42PM A few things. As someone, you know, lived during biking while black and had some family members that had to deal with that, I have some questions. And when we had the briefing, I did bring some of them up and some of my concerns. So one of the questions that I asked was, when I see the word wheelies, I'm thinking about kids. As someone that worked with kids and I've had kids that have come to my program on a bike. I do think we should do something, but I'm very hesitant. Like I said during our briefing, I don't want to criminalize our kids riding their bikes. And a lot of times it is a lot of kids. I've seen the kids riding their bikes, too. I'm hesitant. I agree with a lot of the sentiments that Councilman Hurtak made. Just some of my initial thoughts, do we already have signs on the trails already that say -- speed limit or no groups or two abreast. We don't have any of those signs.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:12PM We don't have an ordinance.

Carl Brody

3:20:14PM Right. We don't have an ordinance that would address that right now.

Lynn Hurtak

3:20:18PM They have a speed limit sign on the riverwalk.

Naya Young

3:20:21PM Also, we talked about doing the education campaign after. Has there been any type of education campaign mayor prior to this, maybe some kind of outreach to educate people more before going straight to fines?

Carl Brody

3:20:46PM Can I respond real quick on that? That is kind of the problem we run into. We can't educate them on nothing. Right now we don't have anything in place. So we can't tell them, no, you can't do this, no, can't do that, no, can't have wheelies. No, can't dominate the roadway because we don't have any way to enforce that. We don't have authority to if we don't have a law in place. That's why we are here today.

Naya Young

3:21:15PM I'm interested to hear, I know this will go for second reading, to hear from the public, but just my initial thoughts, I feel like, especially people who live during that time, it brings back some of those memories. I do think we have to do something. I do agree with that. But how we go about doing that and making sure we are not -- you know, that we are not creating a system where now kids cannot ride their bikes or they are being fined or cited and then there are effects after that. That's where my hesitation comes. I would ask if we could really consider maybe some of the thoughts that Councilman Hurtak had or sit down, talk again about some different strategies just to be sure. We talk about kids, we want them to be outside. I understand the importance of doing something about it. I don't disagree. But I think how we do it is really important. Kids are my soft spot. I want to be sure. They are 16. They are just out doing things.

Carl Brody

3:22:30PM One thing to note, I think the officers would back me up on this. A lot of the folks we're talking about are not kids. That would be accurate? A lot of the people are not kids. That is not the majority of what we're talking about. Even the stunt bicyclists and wheelie folks. We know most of the cyclists are adults. The groups you see riding around. It's not a huge group of children that we're talking about. If I can take one second, Councilwoman Hurtak, I did listen -- because we did sit down a couple of times. If you noticed, I added that 38 six-inch width. We talked about to address having the larger profile vehicles on there. That's in here.

Lynn Hurtak

3:23:20PM But the pedestrians aren't.

Carl Brody

3:23:23PM Pedestrians aren't in here and here is why. Just from a legal perspective, we have to have reasonable basis for anything we do. We received complaints about bicyclists. We know that is a problem. We've observed them. So we have a reasonable basis behind putting an ordinance together to address that. We don't have the same for pedestrians. We don't have folks telling us -- I mean, you have said that.

Lynn Hurtak

3:23:49PM I will call you every single time if I need to.

Carl Brody

3:23:52PM You have said that. But as compared to the complaints we're getting about bicyclists, it's a thousand to one, maybe even more than that. That is the problem. We have to have that reasonable basis in order to pass the ordinance.

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:07PM To me, it is a fairness issue. Council member Viera's turn.

Luis Viera

3:24:11PM Thank you, madam chair. Question for you, Mr. Brody. Councilwoman Hurtak brought up the issue of some sort of progressive going higher scale on penalties. I think that's reasonable. We could start off at 20 and perhaps go up to 75. Is there some sort of legal or major policy issue with TPD where that would be unwise.

Carl Brody

3:24:33PM This is why we have mike Schmid from TPD legal here with us. Mike Schmid. Originally, when I started in 2013, I served as municipal prosecutor. So I'm very familiar with our different fine system and things like that. Currently under our code 23.5-5 is what sets out the different fine amounts that we have for civil citations. We have four classes of fines right now. Class one fines are a violation of $75. Class two goes up to 150. Class three is 300 and class four is 450. It can go up to $500 for civil citation. These are essentially like a parking ticket in some way. What happens is, once you get a fine, you get issued a ticket. The ticket goes to county court. County court judge can give you as long as you need to pay. They can give you a payment plan. So I've been in there numerous times. I've seen county courts give 180 days for someone to pay something. On a $75 citation. But $75 is the lowest fine amount that we currently have set in our designated schedule of fines. The reason it's important to stick to the fine schedule, those get uploaded into our database for the violations so that the vendor, which we currently use is a system called tracks. The officers use the system and it populates the fine amount based on the class level. While in concept it could be done, 23.5 in reality sets out the different class levels and those are supposed to be followed. That's what we do. Try to keep them uniform, concise, consistent, based on the fine schedules that we have currently set out through City Council.

Luis Viera

3:26:29PM Number one, you said in concept. Are our hands tied -- your hands are not tied is the answer. No, they are not tied. It makes it more difficult administratively, but can something be done, yes.

3:26:43PM There are two issues here, which Councilwoman Hurtak talked about community service. I bet you that the objection to that was because of the administration or compliance with it. I understand that. First time at $25, $20, going up to 75, I understand there would be some more administrative work for people. I'm very respectful of that. But I think the juice is worth the squeeze on this I do. Because $75, if we are dealing with a young person, that is a lot of money. By the way, maybe 25 bucks is a lot, right? I worked at wendy's for $4.25 when I was a kid. Who knows. I'm willing to support that. I do think the juice is worth the squeeze. If we can do it legally, hundred percent for the first time. Again, we should pass something with teeth, something that's going to make a difference in these areas, but I do think that we should look at taming the potential excesses of it. I do think that scale that Councilwoman Hurtak talked about that I'm willing to support is reasonable. I'm all for that.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:49PM In an effort to move this along, I know people want to talk more, is there consensus to reduce this to $25? $20. Would there be support for that to move this along? And then up to 75 for second offense.

Guido Maniscalco

3:28:03PM 25, 50, 75.

Lynn Hurtak

3:28:06PM 20, 30, 50, 75.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:12PM Do we need any more comments on this?

Guido Maniscalco

3:28:15PM Yeah, I have a couple of things to say.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:17PM I'm trying to get us out of here by 6:00. We have consensus on the fine schedule?

Martin Shelby

3:28:35PM Just a reminder, your policy is to take public comment --

Alan Clendenin

3:28:39PM I understand. I'm just saying, before we get public comment, to guide this along if we'll reach consensus on this. I didn't ask for a vote. I asked for consensus. How about we have a motion to continue this then? If you want to rework this.

Luis Viera

3:29:00PM This is first reading. We can pass something on first reading to at least get the ball rolling. We have people here. Officers here, attorneys here. I think we do have some consensus. Again, I'm all for 20, 75, whatever. I'm good with that.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:19PM Let's think about this for a moment. Further discussion. Councilman Carlson, Councilwoman Young --

Lynn Hurtak

3:29:27PM No, him, then her and me. Carlson, Maniscalco --

Alan Clendenin

3:29:37PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

3:29:38PM Just clarifying question. It says city parks, Bayshore is included?

Carl Brody

3:29:45PM Absolutely.

Bill Carlson

3:29:48PM That's one of the main areas I've heard complaints. I share the concern that council member Hurtak has about teenagers. One of the big things about biking while black is that kids when they grew up, if they threw the ticket away, they might not be able to get a driver's license and job. A question, is there a formal warning as the first time?

Carl Brody

3:30:13PM The way this will work, again, first 30 days, won't be any citation at all. Just education, inform them there is a new ordinance in place. No, there is not a process for a warning first.

Bill Carlson

3:30:25PM Does our system enable a warning at all? Even if it is a $20 fine, if the kid throws it away and throws away two or three of them, then they won't be able to get a driver's license. Provide warnings. The system we use for the citations in these systems has a warning option, it's frequently used. I was looking at the stats earlier, and I think -- I mean, out of like, if there was approximately -- I'm just trying to remember, off recollection, 700, for example, bike offenses, I think 500 plus.

3:31:05PM I don't know if it is possible to add that as a line in the ordinance, but to say first -- I don't know how you ID somebody who is under age. It gets very complicated to know whether or not somebody --

Lynn Hurtak

3:31:20PM Doesn't have to be an age thing. Warning for everyone.

Bill Carlson

3:31:28PM If somebody doesn't have an ID, I don't know how you track. If somebody has a driver's license, you can track it in system. I would rather have a formal warning process. This goes back to the discussion about skateboards where somebody was trying to ban that and several of us who used to skateboard said, no, we don't want to do that. I'm not against kids doing wheelies. I never heard a complaint about kids doing wheelies. It is the groups of people intimidating people. If a single kid is doing a wheelie, I don't think they should get a ticket. If a group of people are doing it or one or two kids or adults are doing it in an intimidating way, like the complaints we've heard, they are going up to people and doing it in front of them, the intimidation is the thing I think they should get tickets for. The last thing I'll say is that I would rather have a continuance to address some of the issues. Back to biking while black, the justice department did condemn the City of Tampa for that. And they condemned us for renting while black. I want to make sure we don't get condemned again. It wasn't police officers' fault. It was a policy made at the top. Chief Bercaw has been very responsive and all of his team very responsive on this. Created a task force to address the groups of people on bicycles. And the constituents really appreciate that. The difference now between now and the biking while black time is during biking while black, sometimes they would pull kids over because they didn't have lights on the bicycles. The police the last seven years, police officers give out free lights to kids who don't have them. Huge difference and approach now. That is a difference in the administration. As I've talked to police officers, they would much rather give a kid a free light so they can be safe in the neighborhood rather than give them a ticket if they are not doing anything else that is dangerous.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:29PM I'm watching the sentiment of the council and I don't see more than two of us firmly committed on voting on this this afternoon.

Guido Maniscalco

3:33:44PM I'll be quick. Suggestion, comment. Two weeks after I got my driver's license when I was 16 years old, I got a speeding ticket. February 2001 on euclid and dale mabry. It was $158. I cried to the cop. Nobody felt sorry for me. I told my parents. My punishment was, good, you're going to pay for it. $158 and I was making 40 bucks, 50 bucks a week back then was all the money in the world, number one. That taught me a lesson where I didn't get a speeding ticket for ten years or something after that. Second, in regards to the people that walk, several people have suggested to me, why don't you put arrows on the riverwalk, this way and that way. Psychologically -- psychologically and I would follow this, like you are driving. Walk on the right. At least there is a pathway. The way it is now, looks like a free-for-all. Not cite the people walking, but the arrows might be helpful. We know somebody will come the other way, mind the gap kind of thing. Those are my comments.

Lynn Hurtak

3:34:53PM That is a great suggestion. Even better would be a line down the middle. Pretty much how everything is done. I have a couple of suggestions with this. First, I'd like the education to be 90 days instead of 30 days. 30 days is not enough time really to hit the people it needs to hit. The thing I don't like about this that I think seems to be what I hear from people is the bigger concern also is that groups of cyclists surrounding cars and not riding two abreast on the road. So if we don't already have rules for that, is there a way we can put rules for that in this? Regulations. We took those biking regulations and pretty much copied most of those into this.

3:35:40PM We already have the rules. Roadway.

3:35:45PM That's what I thought. I do like the ten mile an hour, so I think that's really good. I appreciate the rest. The 90 days and $20 fines, thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:36:02PM Yes, sir.

Carl Brody

3:36:05PM Very quick. If the concerns are the 90 days and 20 dollars, I think we can address that in the interim period between first reading and second reading and get this in place. I think that is the concern, get this in place, especially with the holiday season coming up, to have these rules in place and let TPD have some kind of enforcement authority to start this education campaign. We can't start the education campaign until an ordinance is in place.

Lynn Hurtak

3:36:37PM I'm fine with that. Only thing I ask between first and second reading, at least for me personally is a personal meeting. An update. I think the rest of us might. I don't know. I want one. I can't speak for others. Sounds like Ms. Young also wants one.

Bill Carlson

3:36:58PM We want to put some of the safeguards in that you talked about. The purpose of briefing us is not just to brief us to make modifications between first and second. I think the consensus is we don't want to repeat biking while black for sure. We don't want to have --

Lynn Hurtak

3:37:11PM I'm not worried about that.

Alan Clendenin

3:37:13PM Can I get -- we need public comment first.

Lynn Hurtak

3:37:26PM It's already difficult. We have to change an entire code section --

Alan Clendenin

3:37:30PM That's why a continuance.

Lynn Hurtak

3:37:32PM I agree. We'll have to modify a whole different code section, that is the fines. And that's going to take time as well. What we could do is make a subparagraph in there that says specifically for this ordinance, the fines shall be xyz. We can line item this one out essentially as a unique circumstance.

3:38:03PM I will go -- we had a second reading where it turned into a first reading again. If we have to do that, we have to do that.

Alan Clendenin

3:38:14PM Okay. So that concludes. I'll go to public comment. Any comments and then make the modifications when we read this. Anybody wishing to speak to this item, line up behind Stephanie poynor on the wall. Stephanie poynor, go ahead. Start with your name please. I taught kids for 18 years of my life. Mostly middle schoolers, then taught at job corps, 18 to 24-year-old high school dropouts, between d.c., baltimore, annapolis. Their frontal lobes are not fully developed until 25 years old. Remember that. It takes a while. My big thing is warnings first. I don't have a problem in the world with community service. They can do it at school, neighborhood meetings, lots and lots of places. They know how to do it especially in high school because they have to do it with bright futures if they want to get anywhere. $75 is a lot of money, not at my house. It's not at my house. But it is for a lot of folks. You can't wash that to the back of the room. Kids need to learn. You can't start out by smacking their hand. Lady from riverwalk this morning said this is just going to match the state statutes. Where the hell are the state statutes? I hear 7th avenue. All the TPD officers by the 7-eleven. Then, oh, the police officers are together. They are not interacting much with the folks. I would walk into a pack of all of them together. I don't have a lick of home training, not a lick of sense. Took a bus full of kids to the dmv by myself and never had an issue because I had expectations. If we are not teaching those expectations now, you don't have to write a warning. You don't have to give somebody a ticket. Doesn't have to be against the law to have a conversation with a child or even a young adult and say this is why you shouldn't do this. My biggest concern, where can they do it? Can't do it in the streets. They'll get dead. This is the safe place. Signs along the trail on manhattan. Long time ago since I've seen them. They do say something, one group stays to one side, one group stays to the other side. I'm kind of confused at how this went from zero to 75 bucks a pop. That's not fair. These kids are outside. They are not sitting at home in front of a freaking computer. Not sitting on their phone. They are outside moving around. We have to figure out how to corral that. Two parks in a city this size despicable. It's shameful we don't have more places for -- a teen party that was put on at a church. Don't tell me it doesn't happen.

3:41:37PM Did you want to speak to this item. Speak to you from personal experience. It doesn't have to do with trails. It has to do with public rights-of-way. I was riding on Davis island when this group of probably 40 or 50 young people, they were not kids. They were young people. Probably 18, 20, maybe older, and they decided they were going to block all of east Davis all the way out to the airport. They intimidated the drivers. They forced them to pull over. What I saw were moms with soccer kids or baseball kids, forced them off the road, and they tried to force me off the road, and I rode right through the middle of them and said touch me. Go ahead and touch me. I got to the end of the road down near where the commercial center is, and there were two police officers there. I said, hey, these people are out here all over the place. Look at youtube on Davis island bike riding. You'll see it. It's epidemic. It is distracting and it's destructive. I'm not saying that they all should be punished, but you need to give these law enforcement officers some tools, some kind of tools to try to enforce this because they don't have them. When I stopped with the officers, they said we can't do anything about it. I guess it evolved to eventually the officers have some tools where they can stop it, but these groups, they go to soho, they block the traffic there. They go over to dale mabry, over by the publix and they ride north up there and they stop the traffic up there. Law enforcement has finally had some tools, I'm not sure exactly what they are, but if you can't go to a park and can't enjoy yourself because bikes get run over, where are you going to go? I agree with Stephanie, we need to have some other alternatives, but those parks are way up north and outside in the county. Lower 48. Maybe that is an ideal location for something, to have some trails down there. Some bike riding trails. It is a big problem and it is unsafe and it causes other people to have serious other accidents and problems. I don't know if you remember this, but a woman in Hyde Park that had to be rescued by the police because she was so intimidated and in tears because she could not get her kids. She had her kids in the car, couldn't get them home. It is a problem. Thank you.

3:44:24PM Can I get a motion to close?

Lynn Hurtak

3:44:26PM No. I have something I want to say. I just want to make a point that Mr. Michelini, what he is talking about is completely separate. I also agree we need to find a way to figure out what is going on on the street. If there is a way with drivers, because we don't have laws for that, we need to have laws for that. So I think we're -- those are two separate issues. I think we need to find answers for both of them. This is just simply for multiuse trails and parks, correct? Correct?

Carl Brody

3:45:03PM Yes, that's correct.

Lynn Hurtak

3:45:04PM Is there anything we can do about the streets?

Carl Brody

3:45:07PM The streets regulated by state statute. So we have those rules in place, what's in statute. And that's why we brought this forward, because we want to try to align them and provide few extra protections for our multimodal trails, specifically riverwalk and Bayshore Boulevard.

Lynn Hurtak

3:45:26PM That's not my question. My question is about the streets.

Carl Brody

3:45:30PM That's state statute.

Lynn Hurtak

3:45:31PM So we can't make that any more stringent on our streets.

Alan Clendenin

3:45:36PM Just have to enforce it.

Lynn Hurtak

3:45:38PM But that's what he is saying. He is saying he ran into the officers in that very instance and he said that the officers weren't able to do anything. And that is the issue.

Carl Brody

3:45:55PM The statute does have protections in place that can be enforced.

Alan Clendenin

3:45:59PM Let's move on. This is limited to the item before us today is about Bayshore, riverwalk, and multimodal trails. Can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? What is the will of council? I see two things happening. We can continue this to February 5, which is open, or if you would like to move this today with amendments because I don't see that there are four votes as-is, we can move this with amendments. What is the will of council?

Luis Viera

3:46:38PM I suggest we move it today. We'll have second reading to have another bite at the apple. We can make the changes now. February 5, folks, we're in November. That's three months away.

Alan Clendenin

3:46:49PM What I'm hearing, is there a will to move this with the consideration of 90 day education period and then the amended fines? Is that the issue? Councilwoman Hurtak, would you like to define your wish for that.

Lynn Hurtak

3:47:00PM I think $20. And then I'm fine with 50 and 75. Then fine. 25, 50, 75.

Alan Clendenin

3:47:14PM What I'm hearing is there is a will to move this ordinance today with the amendment of a 90 day education period and all the other things you said for signage and all and amend the fine schedule to 25, 50, and 75.

Bill Carlson

3:47:32PM Can we also formalize the warning?

Lynn Hurtak

3:47:36PM Two warnings. One warning? Two warnings?

Alan Clendenin

3:47:40PM Isn't any way of tracking this. They don't have a driver's license.

Lynn Hurtak

3:47:48PM Doesn't matter if they have a driver's license, if they have a fine, they'll have to give some sort of identification. A warning, generally, when I've -- generally they take information.

Alan Clendenin

3:48:01PM You've been warned once, you've been warned. You know there is a law, a penalty with the law. I would like to see this moved with those two. Single warning. Who would like to read this?

Naya Young

3:48:23PM Just for the public outreach, I would ask that you all really like go all out for the public outreach, down to your schools, nonprofits, bike stores, find groups, bikers right now so that everyone is aware that this is happening, because I really -- I agree. We have to do something, but, please, let's make sure we do it the right way.

Lynn Hurtak

3:48:57PM Do you want to make that part of the motion?

Naya Young

3:49:00PM To have extended public outreach, yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:49:06PM Councilman Maniscalco, why don't you take a bite at this, read that with the three items and see where we go from there.

Martin Shelby

3:49:12PM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney, with regard to the outreach, that is not necessarily part of the ordinance. It would be a separate motion.

Carl Brody

3:49:20PM I would assume that would not be part of the ordinance. The ordinance really -- Carl Brody, Legal Department. The ordinance is in place to provide requirements for the police to comply with. This would be separate. This would be something would just request the parks and rec department and the Tampa Police to take the next step to go ahead and do that and to do that outreach.

Alan Clendenin

3:49:49PM Councilman Maniscalco, would you please read this with the two amendments and 90 days and then the fine schedule.

Guido Maniscalco

3:49:55PM I have an ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending City of Tampa code chapter 16, article III, section 16-53 regulation of vehicles within parks and chapter 23.5, section 25.5-5 schedule of violations and penalties; said amendment providing for prohibitions and fines for improper operation of authorized motorized and nonmotorized vehicles on multipurpose trails within city parks; repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith; providing for severability; providing an effective date. With these changes between first and second reading. First, you have a warning. Then it is a $25 fine, $50 fine, and finally a $75 fine. And for the first 90 days, that is when you educate the public. Before you even get into the warnings for the first 90 days, hey, you're not supposed to do that. Hey, we have new rules in place. Let people know for the first 90 days.

Alan Clendenin

3:50:58PM Okay. We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Viera. Any further discussion on that motion? All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

3:51:09PM Nay. I can't vote for it until I've talked to my community, until I have reached out to the biking community and see if this is acceptable. This one is really hard for me. You know what, I'll vote yes, but I'm really going to reach out. I'll get people to call you about the pedestrians because I want that added between first and second reading.

Alan Clendenin

3:51:44PM Are we okay with the unanimous vote on this?

Martin Shelby

3:51:47PM If I can --

Bill Carlson

3:51:48PM We can change our votes next time.

Martin Shelby

3:51:50PM I would like to address what Councilman Carlson was just alluding to. This is a legislative matter. It is a policy decision. The purpose of having the two readings is to have a public hearing afterwards. So you have the opportunity for the community and the outreach. You are not bound by your vote at first reading. In effect, when you do a first reading, technically what you are really doing is moving it to a second reading and public hearing and an adoption hearing. It is just the process of the two readings.

Alan Clendenin

3:52:20PM Very good. Passes unanimously. I'll recognize -- I know it's new business, recognize Councilwoman Young to introduce --

The clerk

3:52:30PM Motion carried unanimously with Miranda being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on December 18, 2025, At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

3:52:44PM Councilwoman Young, you have a motion.

Naya Young

3:52:50PM I motion for extended --

Martin Shelby

3:53:00PM Sorry to interrupt.

Naya Young

3:53:03PM I want to make sure I get it right.

Martin Shelby

3:53:05PM What you said before was good. Now we have to put it in the form of a motion that will show up in the minutes which will go to the administration to implement. You're going to be requesting of the administration and fill in the blank.

Naya Young

3:53:19PM Requesting staff to provide extended public outreach for the new ordinance, including Hillsborough County Public Schools, nonprofits, organizations, churches, bike groups, biking shops, social media, tv, flyers, radio. All forms of communication.

Carl Brody

3:54:07PM Just very quickly. We are going to put this on the city website, TPD website. It will be there, but it will be in addition to all of the other sites that you just requested.

Naya Young

3:54:19PM Yes, please.

Alan Clendenin

3:54:20PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Mr. Shelby, do you have anything to add?

Martin Shelby

3:54:26PM No. I'll do it off-line.

Alan Clendenin

3:54:27PM We have a motion and second. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:54:32PM I know I've talked about doing this, but I'm going to ask my aide kelly scharf to come out. I want to join you all on the riverwalk or wherever as a cyclist so I can see it so we can talk more about it. I want to make this work.

Alan Clendenin

3:54:51PM Councilman Maniscalco, anything to add?

Guido Maniscalco

3:54:56PM I'm sorry.

Alan Clendenin

3:54:56PM Are we ready to move on? Whoo-hoo. We'll go to the items we pulled.

Luis Viera

3:55:07PM For item 74, I really do want to speak about this. I really, really do, but I don't want us to be here for an extended amount of time. What I propose is that we put it to the next available one and cap it at ten minutes. It would require a waiver of the rules. This is not going to take long.

Alan Clendenin

3:55:28PM We have a motion from Councilman Viera to move item 74 to December 18. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, with a ten-minute time restriction.

Luis Viera

3:55:38PM Mr. Suder, Parks and Recreation, you are hereby released.

Lynn Hurtak

3:55:42PM No. we have another parks item.

Alan Clendenin

3:55:45PM For item 74, a motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco moving item 74 with ten-minute restriction. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you, item 74 has been continued. Anybody else want to continue something or move it? I have one other thing. Item number 70, there will not be staff here. Posted as a requirement. Two public hearings subsequent to this. Motion to receive and file item 70. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilwoman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Anything else to take off the agenda? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

3:56:22PM Sorry to interrupt, this gentleman I believe is about to leave and you want this distributed to City Council?

3:56:32PM Part of a presentation you were going to make.

3:56:38PM Step up to the microphone. Your name, sir.

3:56:44PM Member of the public or part of the presentation?

3:56:48PM You're asking this to be distributed to City Council.

Alan Clendenin

3:56:51PM Motion to receive and file the documents associated with 75. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor say aye. Opposed. Ayes have it. When we get to item 75, we'll have that admitted. Just a reference. Thank you.

3:57:10PM Let's go to 24 and 28.

Martin Shelby

3:57:23PM Did you move all of those yet that did not require? My suggestion is probably members of staff and big-ticket items.

Alan Clendenin

3:57:32PM Hanging by a thread.

The clerk

3:57:42PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

3:57:43PM 68, 69 and 71. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera to move those three items. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

3:57:59PM 70.

Alan Clendenin

3:58:00PM We just did that one.

Bill Carlson

3:58:02PM I pulled item 39. Can we go ahead and receive and file.

Lynn Hurtak

3:58:08PM I had questions about that one, too.

Alan Clendenin

3:58:21PM 24 and 28.

Lynn Hurtak

3:58:30PM 24 and 28, we got some e-mails from our City Council budget analyst about this. I just want to -- first, I have some questions about what is in this gadsden park part of the plan. I pulled the appendix for the parks master plan, and it's not specific as to what the money is going to be used for. I can't match it. My first question is, is someone from parks and rec that can talk to me about what projects are actually going to be done for this item.

Alan Clendenin

3:59:14PM Is there somebody online from parks and rec?

Lynn Hurtak

3:59:17PM That makes this easy. Give me a second. Yes, I'm at 24. So one of the things that we were concerned about was the fact that this $1.1 million is coming out of a small neighborhood parks fund that actually doesn't have 2 million. Currently has 3 million because it has a little bit left over from last year. But the concern is Julian b. Lane is not a small neighborhood park. Fixing the dock given to us is not one of the priorities we're hearing about. We're hearing about other parks that haven't been touched in 15 years needing things. Julian b. Lane hasn't been open that long. Personally I have no problem funding gadsden park but I still want to know what it is for because I can't find the information. I would move to not support fixing the dock right now and moving that money toward a small neighborhood park.

Guido Maniscalco

4:00:25PM You don't want to fix the dock --

Lynn Hurtak

4:00:27PM It's already in small neighborhood parks. To me, Julian b. Lane is a large park. It's like robbing peter to pay paul. We need a lot of work with parks and rec. I think what we have heard overall from this council, the last few sessions is that when we get this FY '25 budget left over, that we want to spend it on parks. So I have heard that we do not -- I believe I asked if this is something that had to move right away today. And from my understanding, no. I would prefer moving this to January -- well, maybe not January because of gadsen. I am concerned no one is here to talk about this today. I have concerns. I want to know what gadsen park is. I don't want to move money to Julian b. Lane when we have other small parks waiting for years.

Alan Clendenin

4:01:25PM Motion to continue item 24? Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

4:01:30PM How much of the 1.1 million is going to the Julian b. Lane dock repairs?

Lynn Hurtak

4:01:36PM 350,000.

Guido Maniscalco

4:01:37PM The thing is, that park was built and opened in 2018. It's fairly new. I know those docks are used and see people rowing all the time. I understand. Okay.

Lynn Hurtak

4:01:51PM Ian, I want to be able to move the gadsen money but I want to know where it's going.

Luis Viera

4:02:00PM Can we get that answered now really quick?

Alan Clendenin

4:02:03PM Anybody from parks and rec listening?

Lynn Hurtak

4:02:06PM Why don't we hold this until the end. Ms. Scharf if you can find out. She'll come to me and let me know when we have the answers to what the money is being spent on.

Alan Clendenin

4:02:16PM We'll hold 24.

Martin Shelby

4:02:24PM Number 24, ultimately, once you get your answers, it will still require amending the resolution.

Lynn Hurtak

4:02:29PM Correct.

Alan Clendenin

4:02:30PM 28.

Lynn Hurtak

4:02:31PM It may, may not. 28 is -- we're holding 24. 28 is, again, appropriating $320,000 from the parks and rec citywide maintenance and repair project to the Lowry Park shoreline improvement project. My question for staff was, do we have -- have we applied for a grant for these shoreline improvement? Oftentimes, we have grant money for this. My concern again is that parks and rec citywide maintenance and repair, I don't know how much -- Ms. Kopesky, do we know how much money is in that budget or Mr. Rogero who is here to maybe help. If we have $350,000, that should go towards the yellow jackets, to be quite frank.

Bill Carlson

4:03:24PM There needs to be more transparency. The other thing, we need to go back and maybe talk to marty about this. But I think the administration is out of compliance on several positions, including the parks and rec because they have been open more than 90 days. Not having a director of some of these departments is really hurting our ability to move forward on many projects.

Lynn Hurtak

4:03:47PM I agree.

Hagar Kopesky

4:03:49PM Approximately 850,000 in the maintenance of which I think they are requesting to move 350.

Lynn Hurtak

4:03:58PM 320. Again, I just want to know because it is such a small budget, $2 million -- I'm sorry, $800,000 is nothing, and we're moving over a third of that. And this very well may be a project that has to get done, but is it the priority. So I am concerned -- oh, good. We have someone from parks and rec here. Again, if possible, I would like to postpone these until after we find out what is left over in the '25 budget because we have stated as a council multiple times that we want this to go to parks and rec, but I don't know how much money is there.

Alan Clendenin

4:04:46PM Tony, are you able to speak to -- let's start with 24. Are you able to speak to 24?

Lynn Hurtak

4:04:52PM Gadsen park. What is being done with that $800,000. So we have to figure out the best use of the money. There are drainage issues out there. There are some bathroom issues. I think -- if you do postpone, you might get better information. I'm filling a seat. I'm trying to do the best I can to answer.

Alan Clendenin

4:05:19PM Heard and noted. Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

4:05:21PM My other question is, we actually have a line item in the city's budget for ADA compliance. I'm curious why this is being taken out of the parks budget when it can also be taken out of ADA compliance budget. I'd like to be able to talk about the balance there.

Alan Clendenin

4:05:38PM All I keep hearing is this item should be continued for additional information. 24 and 28, willing to listen to a motion to continue items 24 and 28.

Lynn Hurtak

4:05:48PM Hate to move it to the new year, but I want us to talk about money.

Bill Carlson

4:05:53PM People interested in gadsen park, we're not trying to delay. We're trying to make sure the city will spend on the things you want them to spend on.

Lynn Hurtak

4:06:00PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

4:06:01PM Ideally, the Parks Department would have a meeting with the neighborhood to talk to people about that.

Lynn Hurtak

4:06:08PM I will say January 8, just because it is the first one back. Obviously, we want to get the gadsen park stuff done as quickly as possible. My motion is to move 24 and 28 together -- well, they can't be together because they are separate money movements, but I want to move that they be moved to January 8, 2026 to include a description of what's going on at gadsen park, to pull out the Julian b. Lane. I don't think anybody will disagree with me on that one, and then to find out if there is money in the ADA budget to help, maybe not the whole, but to help with the ADA compliant restrooms at gadsen park.

Guido Maniscalco

4:06:49PM I have an e-mail regarding -- [inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

4:06:55PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. We have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. This is for items 24 and 48 to continue both items with the proposed changes to January 8, 2026. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Through that now. Item number 39.

Martin Shelby

4:07:24PM Did you do 36?

Bill Carlson

4:07:26PM I don't know if Ms. Glover is here. There were some concerns raised about the processes at the Convention Center. I think we need to set it up as an enterprise fund and have a sound p and l on it. As I look at the numbers, it's hard to see what the real revenues and expenses are in the Convention Center. Obviously it's going to have a loss and we'll have to -- we'll look at the economic impact of it. But we need to put all the expenses in one place and all the revenues in one place so we know what it is. Right now we're taking some from CRA and other places and we need to know what the expenses are. This looks like -- in the audit it looks like some of the processes need to be fixed.

Alan Clendenin

4:08:15PM For this particular item, I think that's out of order. I think that would new business. This is just referring -- transmitting the audit to us as information only to be received and filed. I think that may be a catalyst discussion for new business. This particular item --

Bill Carlson

4:08:31PM I was mentioning that as backdrop to the question about the processes that were not up to par.

Alan Clendenin

4:08:40PM Christine Glover, would you like to speak to item 39? You are muted. Still muted. Is she self-muted? Yeah, it's on your end. Councilwoman Hurtak, you wanted to speak to this item?

Lynn Hurtak

4:09:17PM I had the same questions, Councilman Carlson, about the Convention Center for quite some time. I think we could accept this, but maybe if you make a motion to put this on one of our workshop dates to really discuss the possibility and what we're doing, I would support that.

Alan Clendenin

4:09:34PM I think that would be appropriate.

Bill Carlson

4:09:35PM I'll make a motion in new business. I'm not against it. The public wants to see all the information in one place so they know what the true cost is.

Lynn Hurtak

4:09:43PM Agreed.

Alan Clendenin

4:09:45PM Motion to receive and file 39? Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you, Christine. Sorry we couldn't hear from you. See if you can because we'll get to that in new business. 72. Let's talk stormwater.

Bill Carlson

4:10:14PM I think we ought to say at a maximum we'll leave here by 8:00.

Alan Clendenin

4:10:19PM You're not going to see me past 6.

Lynn Hurtak

4:10:22PM We have an event to go to. Are you going? It's transgender day of remembrance at rivercrest park at 6:30. Yuan Li, utility stormwater. After back-to-back storms last year, hired black & veatch to perform an independent analysis on flooding in the region as well as make recommendations of the improvements that can be implemented in the stormwater program. This effort started December of last year and was completed early summer this year. Funding and recommendations were presented to the BOCC in July and recently presented to City Council Temple Terrace. I wanted to emphasize a couple of things. Public engagement was a critical component of this assessment and a total of 8 public meetings were conducted countywide between April and may. Many residents, many city residents and the council members attended some of the meetings and shared their firsthand experience. A second emphasis, this effort was fast tracked, completed within six months. And this is just initial step of many steps being planned or have started. We are very fortunate to have Jon dinges here. Jon is the regional water resources lead of black & veatch and is a registered professional engineer and has more than 30 years of experience working for both public and the private sectors. Appreciate the opportunity to give you a report of our post-hurricane regional stormwater assessment. We have a slide deck associated with that. I'll give it just a moment while it cues. Again, Jon dinges with Black & Veatch Corporation. By way of introduction. Thank you, yuan, appreciate the introduction. The county commission charge to us was to perform an independent stormwater evaluation. Of course, independent meant that we were taking a fresh look at what had happened as a result of the hurricanes, but yet we were operating independent in the sense that we were bringing our own analysis and evaluation to the table. With that, we can move to the next slide or I think I can do that here. By way of review of the objectives, our objectives were to evaluate performance of the stormwater systems across program areas, determine what the needs are based on that and develop findings of recommendations moving forward so we did exactly that. All that had to be done against the backdrop of what was a record setting rainfall year in 2024. This slide really tells the story very well. This is one rain gauge in northeastern portion of Hillsborough county, but similar rainfall patterns were observed across Hillsborough county in 2024. So you had a very wet season. There were multiple tropical storms. Way above normal rainfall and then had a really catastrophic rainfall event that led to significant inland flooding all across Hillsborough county. The total 2024 rainfall was a new record since records started at the Tampa international airport. Over 80 inches of rain, which is 22% more than the second highest rainfall total of the year. So I hope that helps everybody understand the unprecedented nature of that flood event. It hit at a time when things were completely saturated. Our approach to conducting that assessment in concept was to go get the data. In addition to collecting technical data, have a robust public engagement process and stakeholder engagement, which included interviews with members of this council, and that helped us form our database that we could use for that assessment. We then use the data to evaluate program components, develop key findings that came out of that, develop recommendations and summarize those, which I'll give you very high-level summary today for the interest of time. We did produce a summary of findings report and then a very detailed, very large project report to go with it. Our data gathering was very comprehensive. I will say that not only did we work collaboratively with the staff of Hillsborough county, but your staff as well were very helpful and instrumental in collaborating with us to provide all the city data as well. That was very helpful for us. We did the same with the city of Plant City, Temple Terrace. We wanted to make sure we had all the information we needed to perform the assessment. Everything from spatial data reports. We did interviews, collected permits, thousands upon thousands of flood event photographs. Stormwater models, and that really constituted the exhaustive nature of our data collection effort. To touch on the engagement piece just for a minute, the neighborhood meetings I think were kind of an interesting component of our assessment. We did not just take our data and run into a room and spend months on end crunching it. We wanted to share our findings with the public, but then receive comments. So we worked with Hillsborough county and opened up those public meetings as well as their engagement hub. We received a tremendous amount of public data that came in through the engagement hub in addition to the eight public meetings. You can see by these numbers, we had very good participation in that process. We heard a lot of good comments. They were glad that we did that. And one of the items we presented to the public, we began to see trends emerging from the data of flood-focused areas across Hillsborough county, several of which are partially within the City of Tampa and within Hillsborough county. I will point out that we did not try to highlight storm surge areas because we were looking at an inland flooding from rainfall event. That is what drove our analysis. Storm surge flooding is well documented and was not part of our analysis, simply because storm surge is already well established and there are flood zones where everybody knows that you have storm surge. So these flood focus areas helped us to really drill into where the emerging problem areas were all across Hillsborough county and some, like I mentioned, in association with the City of Tampa. So when we put all that data together, our findings can be summarized as such. When it comes to flood modeling, we found that these predictive models of storm events really correlated very well to documented flood information. That is good that it validates the floods. Our recommendation from that was to continue updating those models to continue to refine the data and information that can be shared with members of the public. Coupled with that, the models produce information in the form of maps. We found quite a few comments from the members of the public that, hey, I was not in a FEMA documented flood zone, but I still had flooding either on my property or in some cases within my structure, what's going on. Turns out the county really has much more refined models. It's based on better data and information. Our recommendations were that, and already done this, was to publish that additional data and make it fully available to members of the public. Okay. On the infrastructure side, we looked at their asset management program, and we also included the city's, all three municipal governments. We did pull that data in so we can get a feel for it. We saw common themes emerging from the analysis. So there is a public perception, for example, the ditches are not well maintained. Sometimes it's just because they don't look very nice. But the ditches overall were in fair condition. In some cases good condition, across the Hillsborough county and for the City of Tampa. But overall, functioning quite well. In many cases, though, they just needed some more maintenance. That was one of the big ones, ditches. Pump stations. A lot of conversation about pump stations, and we find that they have been nearing the end of their design life. And our recommendation to the county and I think it would be a similar theme for the City of Tampa is continue your program of renewing your infrastructure around pump stations. So that -- I know that's well underway, and that's good. We can validate that recommendation. That will address many of those challenges moving forward, with your ditches and pump stations. On the development standards front, we did take a look at development standards across Hillsborough county. One important concept to remember is you can't design stormwater systems to handle the biggest storm you would ever see simply because it's not -- it's just not feasible economically or technically. You pick a level of service and the stormwater design are based on the level of service criteria. We did hear and see development review staff resource limitations. We all know this is a very busy area for development. So there tends to be a crunch on development reviews, and in addition, additional staffing levels can be a very important part of improving that program as well as standards sufficiency reviews in flood-prone areas, hey, are the standards really where they need to be? Coupled with improved intergovernmental coordination, because if you have different standards across jurisdictional boundaries and you can have inconsistent application. What that leads to is water doesn't necessarily see a political boundary, right? I think that intergovernmental coordination is very important. Moving along on that theme, we did see an opportunity for improved coordination, which I believe is already underway. Quarterly working group meetings, improved coordination between the entities that are highlighted here on this slide. Consolidating functions, we talked to county staff about consolidating their functions to really focus in on stormwater improvements and consider how coordination, for example, with F.D.O.T. Could enhance their program. And also coordinate with adjacent counties. Because many of these watersheds, they are up the hill from Hillsborough county, if you will. You have water flowing out of other counties into Hillsborough county, and regional flood mitigation projects could be feasible in the future. They are not cheap, but they may need to be examined moving into the future. Public awareness and support, one of our findings was that the detailed work program was there. It was in place, but it had not been well conveyed to the residents. There was not good understanding with the public of what projects were proposed, where they were proposed, where maintenance occurs. So our recommendation was to enhance the public awareness campaigns and continue to develop a comprehensive communication strategy for the stormwater program and for future resilience efforts. On the capital improvement front, we noted that the county, similar to the City of Tampa, it's a common theme. Very robust work plan for capital improvements. Our recommendations were to optimize project prioritization based on risk. The reason for that, I'll give you an example, speak to this, the five-year stormwater capital improvements program for Hillsborough county is over $300 million. However, they have a funding gap of roughly 131 million. Thank you. That was very helpful. If you could see that. With that funding gap, we see that they planned out more than they can actually have funding capacity for.

Alan Clendenin

4:23:20PM CCTV, can you put the wolf projection up, please? Commissioners. I think you have a similar, again, similar theme, that you have more capital improvements in your funding capacity will enable. So the prioritization of projects is very important. And targeting your projects where you have the greatest flood risk. Because as you can see from the slide. We told the county our findings were based on their benefit cost analysis, if they were to fully implement that capital improvements program, they could potentially reduce flood damage by like $120 million. That's pretty significant. But it takes a lot of capital improvement costs to get to that point. Not sure how I get back to the slide.

4:24:17PM CCTV, can you put the presentation -- thank you.

4:24:34PM Going to need. It's not there. CCTV, it's black --

4:24:41PM How about the wolf? Go back to the wolf, please. Beneficial flood management program, providing significant benefit. Common theme across all the local governments and Hillsborough county here. Flood modeling and mapping, regulation and capital improvements were key program strengths. Asset management, including ditches and stormwater pump station maintenance and improvement, those were points of opportunities to continue improvements as well as interagency coordination, public awareness, those were opportunities for program improvement and alignment. The public outreach, we conclude, was very successful for the project and continued to enhance that outreach program. The program funding needs elevated consideration to fully implement the program improvements. That speaks to the funding gap that I was just mentioning on the prior slide. Remember, record flooding leading that was caused by record-breaking rainfall. Those are very infrequent events, but very difficult to deal with. Finally, a majority of the assets were built out there prior to regulation. There is a whole lot of systems in the ground right now that were built before the 1980s, and they don't meet the current level of service standards. You kind of got to keep in mind that that rainfall event falls on all kinds of systems, those that meet current standards and those that don't meet current standards. That's part of the issues with flooding. That's the presentation. Thank you for the opportunity to give it today. And thanks to staff for collaborating with us. Glad to answer any questions you might have.

4:26:37PM Now it is time for rapid fire. Hurtak, Carlson, Maniscalco.

Lynn Hurtak

4:26:41PM So my first question is about slide number 7 and the flood focus area, because I attended these meetings. The folks that went to those meetings clearly said that the peninsula of South Tampa has nothing on it, and that was definitely not -- that was freshwater. That was rainfall flooding. So I'm concerned that we don't have that here because I think that will hurt people looking for flood relief, all those things, why isn't that here? Approved by the county and spend their dollars focusing on predominantly the county's flood areas. And that included focusing on areas that were both across political boundaries, coordinated across city and county where flood zones were jointly across the political boundary. So the details within the City of Tampa, the time and budget were not part of our scope to go into great detail within the City of Tampa.

4:27:46PM Okay. So this really wasn't -- this is a county project. My other questions don't relate. But thank you very much. Because it seems based on this that the city has done a great job overall predicting and Planning. Fixing the pump stations, doing a lot of the things on this list already. I think this is a nice way for us to feel confident in some of the things that we've done, although it is a good reminder of the things we have yet to do. So thank you.

Bill Carlson

4:28:20PM Anybody watching, you are working for the county, not the city, as you just said. At the public meeting, one of the public meetings in South Tampa, constituents came up to your team and said tell us what's happening in the city, and this is what six months ago or so. Your team said the City of Tampa has not shared any data with us yet. Did you all -- you just said that the City of Tampa did share data eventually, but did you all have sufficient time to analyze the city data? And data collection started in December of last year when we first kicked the project off and actually continued almost all the way to completion because it took so much time.

4:29:03PM When you say data collection, I'm not trying to be tough on you, they cut me off with time, if I go fast and cut you off, I apologize. You all did not collect any original data. You didn't go out and analyze pumps or ditches. You used the city's data. If the city's data was flawed, you wouldn't be able to check whether it was correct. We collected all existing data. No time or budget to create new information.

4:29:29PM If you say the city has done a good job maintaining ditches, you did not look at the ditches. You are just using the city data that said they did a good job. Used asset management data and analyzed it against performance indicators.

4:29:45PM We know, for example, in the area around Palma Ceia Pines, the public has pulled lots of public data on that area and done analyses, former analyses of the area. And they said that the two retention ponds there did not have up to date permits and had not been properly maintained. Would your analysis have just relied on what the city provided or in that case would you have any separate analysis of that? Trying to do. If there was a compliance issue, we would hand that off to the regulatory entity to further investigate that. That came up several times during the analysis. We had to solely rely on the data we received from the county and from the municipal government.

4:30:31PM Level of service standard, as I looked it up, I can't find like a set standard across the board. Considering now that a lot of communities use hundred-year event, now we've had milton, which is 11 inches, what is the level of standard measure that you used? Did you use the one that the city created or did you use one from your background experience is a set standard? Is it different with the one South of Gandy different than the one in Palma Ceia Pines or in New Tampa? We simply looked at the county's existing level of service standards and compared that to the municipal government to see if they are consistent and how are they being applied. So existing level of service standards and we did not recommend any new standards. We simply evaluated what was in place.

4:31:24PM You talked about public awareness, that the city has a plan and the city might need to do a better job of making the public aware of it. But the folks that have looked through the plan and the neighborhoods, especially areas like Palma Ceia Pines, feel that the city does not have a sufficient plan or has chosen the wrong plans or wrong priorities, you all looked at what the city -- I'm not asking this to be argumentative. You all did not look at it independently. You just looked at what the city set as a priority and said, okay, that priority -- we took the data and assessed it based on our professional experience.

Alan Clendenin

4:32:08PM Just a reminder, I don't know if you remember when this was first discussed, cooperative agreement between the city and county. But it only took, they were talking about the areas like what happened in Forest Hills, where water from the county flowed into the city. That's why areas like Councilwoman Young was talking about other areas in the city, why it's not identified in this report because it was outside of their scope. Palma Ceia Pines was outside of their scope.

Bill Carlson

4:32:37PM I understand. There are comments made about validating what the city said. I think we need to clarify for the public that they didn't do an independent analysis.

Alan Clendenin

4:32:45PM You wouldn't even look at the Palma Ceia, internal, middle of the city. Just looking at those identified areas on that map.

Bill Carlson

4:32:53PM If you look back at the statements that were made here, it looks like they are endorsing what the city has said. And I'll jump ahead since I don't have time. The public does not trust or support, for the most part, what the city has claimed on stormwater. And in particular around the Palma Ceia Pines area, they believe that a separate Palma Ceia Pines project should be done, not the one that goes down Howard and all the science and previous research seems to indicate that's true. But again, it was not within your scope. The last thing I want to ask is, you talked about the deficit of funding for the C.I.P. For the county. Also seems to be that for the city. How is the county going to fund that? Funding analysis. There is a separate rate study going on that will inform that process. The county has undertaken that. As far as I know it is still in the works.

Alan Clendenin

4:33:48PM Anybody else have --

Luis Viera

4:33:51PM I was going to say, since -- just as a courtesy, Councilman Carlson had his district significantly flooded, would it be appropriate, if he so wishes to have an extra two minutes.

Alan Clendenin

4:34:07PM It went past it. I didn't call him out on it.

Bill Carlson

4:34:12PM The public asked me and these are questions the public asked me to ask. One, is there a very detailed report that you all gave the city and is it possible to add this to onbase so the public can see the detailed analysis? We delivered to the county a key findings report, which is executive summary. And there is a very large report with all the information.

4:34:35PM Is it possible the clerk can get that and we can put it on onbase so the public can see it? The second thing is, the county, I think, using your data has a very interactive website where people can look if somebody is trying to buy a house, they can look and see whether it might flood or not. Yuan, do you know if the city is looking to doing something like that similar to what the county has done. That is our next -- quarterly update on the master Planning process as part of the process, public engagement will be a critical component. Again, once we have the flood risks identified, we'll post all the maps.

Alan Clendenin

4:35:20PM Anybody have additional questions on this part of the presentation, on this part of the presentation?

Luis Viera

4:35:24PM Yes. If I may, a couple of things I want to say. Thank you, sir, for your presentation and hard work. I always remind people, that people from the hurricane a year ago are not all right. They are not doing well. They are emotionally battered, economically battered. People are traumatized for what happened. I think we have to salute the bipartisan work that went into making this. Always want to salute county Commissioner Harry cohen and county Commissioner Christine miller who represent areas, town n' country, as well as North Tampa with harry and with Commissioner Miller, east county that were really, really battered. I like what you said about the pump station program. I want to focus on the North Tampa area, zone x that got flooded. A lot of different issues. I want to start with the idea that there is a difference between a single and a home run. That to say if the issue is would they have flooded, would North Tampa have flooded with proper pump maintenance, proper pump generators, et cetera. I don't think that is the proper question to ask. I think the proper question is the level of flooding. Would flooding have been in Forest Hills, overlook, timber hills area, had there been backup pump generators. Again, there are questions that people in these communities want to have answered to the best you can. I feel that if the questions can't be answered then we have to further make inquiries. You were a welder, public school teacher, first responder, in North Tampa and lost everything, you sure as hell would want answers because you pay your taxes and want those answers. My question is, you know, there were statements made early on that with generators, it could have helped the situation out in Forest Hills. Those were statements made. My question to you, sir, had there been proper backup generators and proper pump generators in the North Tampa area, would that have made any difference given, again, this was a once in a hundred year -- god willing, right -- type of storm. Helene and milton, back to back. The tragedy of all tragedies for our area. But with that issue of some of these pump stations going out and not having proper backup generators, et cetera, would proper backup generators had made any difference in the level of flooding that the North Tampa Community sustained. Was to help recover flooding, not prevent it. So the benefit to having them operational would have been a little bit quicker recovery from the flood event, but we learned very quickly, examining all the information that those systems were not designed to prevent the flooding from occurring in the first place. Now, that is a very fundamental design criteria and policy consideration that affects funding that needs to be examined. I cannot stand here and say it would have improved the flood condition if they were working, simply because of the design criteria.

4:38:28PM Had the pumps had proper backup generators, they not necessarily would have improved the situation, because the pumps themselves were never made to sustain such water that came down from helene and milton back to back.

4:38:42PM Would you agree with the idea that the city should invest in additional pump infrastructure in areas like Forest Hills and throughout the City of Tampa, like you said before, that can respond to such storms as we had in 2024? Level of service and examine the feasibility of doing exactly what you said, but the cost and where do you move that much water. Affordable and feasible to move that much water at one time. It's not an easy question to answer, but it is one that can be looked into for certain.

4:39:19PM I know when we talked about this maybe two months ago, that's what you all told me. I want to make sure the public knows about that. That's very important. I also read that you indicated, please correct me if not you, black & veatch had indicated that you don't believe that Hillsborough county has enough money set aside to address its needs with stormwater and hurricane related issues in the future, is that true? Value of the plan or the cost of the plan and the funding, there was a gap. So the funding capacity did not reach that. County commission very aware of it. It is a common theme that we saw. The project's plan exceed funding capacity and decisions that have to be made about how to close that gap.

4:40:03PM Is the same true for the City of Tampa?

4:40:08PM Great. Thank you. Also saw that Hillsborough county fees for stormwater were in the lowest 25 percent of the state.

4:40:14PM How about us, City of Tampa?

4:40:24PM We can find that later. My big issue is we do really need to look at robust solutions long term on infrastructure for stormwater and resiliency with hurricanes and so forth because this can never happen again to the communities, whether our friends in South Tampa, whether North Tampa, whether it is our friends in town n' country and Plant City out in the county. We have to do our best. We have the information now. We have the information. The issue is, how are we going to respond. But thank you, sir, I appreciate you.

Alan Clendenin

4:41:00PM Cost benefit analysis, how much money are you willing to spend to save x number of dollars on property? Spend a billion dollars to save a hundred million dollars worth of property? It really gets down to how -- again, I know we overuse the term, once in a hundred-year event, which we're having every five or six years, hundred-year events, but at what cost and who is paying that cost? Are we willing to tax those very same people that are struggling to get by? It's a really complicated discussion. Yeah, it's a balance. It's complicated. Pick up the City of Tampa and move it to polk county. Councilman Viera -- or Councilman Carlson. I'm getting tired.

Bill Carlson

4:41:47PM We need to have authentic conversations with the public and not selling them on a project like was done with the South Howard project. It was not the engineering side. It is the selling of it that made people distrustful. Then they started looking at public records and they found things they were told were not true. Seeing the lack of maintenance, the warnings that go back to 20, 30, 40 years, to the 1980s in Palma Ceia Pines, the corner of horatio and habana was identified in like 1983 as a flooding area, even though the people there say it is a flood zone x, it is a bowl where the water pours in and the city knew it, and it has that -- solving that problem has nothing to do with the South Howard project. That was conceived and analyzed way before the South Howard project was proposed. And there are solutions to the way -- anyway, there are all kind of things the public has seen. We need to trust the public that they understand what is going on, not sell them -- not talking to you. Talking in general. We need a full engagement to look at the options and opportunities and let the public come back to us to talk about this because we can't solve everything. One last question for you. Happened to run into whit remer, former sustainability go away in the city, I asked him, what solutions are there for storm surge? If you look at the GPS map, GIS map of South Tampa, almost everybody was hit and flooded was by storm surge, and we're not even talking about that. He gave me one idea, which we'll talk about another time. But do you guys have any ideas? Is the county looking? You have the apollo beach area. Are there any ideas for storm surge? Trying to get people out of harm's way is -- I think that is the way it is managed currently. In terms of preventing structural damage, I think you have to over time upgrade structures to where they will be resistant to that damage, be more resilient. That is really the strategy we see being used all throughout the State of Florida in coastal areas.

4:44:06PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

4:44:08PM So we continue to -- you have another presentation?

4:44:13PM Okay. Good. We have a whole other person. Quarterly report --

4:44:35PM We're on 73 for those following at home.

4:44:45PM CCTV, can you bring up the other slide deck, please? We want to share with you our progress on the same topic that --

4:44:58PM Item 73 is what we're waiting for. Process. What percent complete we are and what's coming up next and when we expect to be completed with the program, which is what everybody wants to know.

4:45:15PM We're still waiting for CCTV. Loading. If we had apple, it would be faster. They don't have it. Does somebody have a hard copy?

Lynn Hurtak

4:45:53PM Take the staple out.

Alan Clendenin

4:45:54PM And throw it on the wolf.

4:46:11PM There we go. I'll be very brief again. Give you a recap of where we are with the program and our expected dates to finalize the effort and next steps. And one of the things that we've talked about before and John alluded to in his presentation, is that we always like to remind everybody that we talk to about where we are in the process. This is the same process that Hillsborough county follows. This is the same process that manatee county follows, and the beauty of it, it's not just for stormwater. This can be for any public project. It could be given the limited resources, human and capital, that cities and counties and municipalities in general have, we have to be spending money on problems and that's what the first item is, a problem definition and from that, we go to doing the modeling, which is where we are right now. Then we go to design, construction and then maintenance. And following that, you have on the other slide, these are all the city basins that we have. Total of 46 basins. We overlay the districts on that one as well. The blue basins are the basins that have been previously studied. The ones that have been previously studied, they took lower priority and then we focus on the ones that have not been studied yet, which are the ones that are underway and we shared with you in the past. Let's see. Beautiful. So we have six engineering firms, local and national engineering firms that have been retained by the City of Tampa to work on this effort. And these are the basins working on. Some of them, for example, like lower peninsula, is being updated, because of the development we have in there. Jumping right into where we are in the existing studies, this shows the percent complete, where we are as of last week with each one of these studies. And we are happy to report they are all on track, as you see, the majority of those are above the 50% level, and we are looking to wrap up phase one for this group one by February of 2026. From a budget perspective, also we're still tracking on budget. And we will estimate that by February 2026, we have expended about 47% of the $5 million that has been allocated for this program. The next step is group 2, which is our next priority. And group 2 -- actually, in the process of negotiating those scopes of work for all 6 items, some consultants already have theirs -- no, I'm sorry, not these yet, but we're in the process of actually getting these on board. I have a date here that's shown as August 2026. And this is when we're going to finish all group one. Projects identified by then, this summer. Also to the point that was brought up earlier regarding coordination with the county, we are looking at all these areas that are basins that start in Hillsborough county and drain into the city. Curiosity creek, Hillsborough River, duck pond and Drew Park, northwest, those are areas we'll also be including in our effort coming up. The beauty of this is once we finish those updates, we'll be over the 50% threshold that would be needed by the city to get our new CRS rating with that program. That would allow us to get a discount. That would allow us to get a discount once we are done with that program. We are looking to finish -- speaking of the program briefly, we are right now at -- CRS rating of 3. The 50%, it looks different when you are doing it with slides than paper. Slides would have been cleaner to show. When we go over the 50% threshold, we will be at the CRS rating of three, which will give us the 35% discount and the eighty -- $8.3 million overall savings, which is something that everybody is looking for. From the timeline perspective, we're looking to finish the entire program by December 2026, which would be this time next year. So fingers crossed we will continue on that base. And more importantly, still forecasted to be under the $5 million that was allocated. That is a key metric there. Some examples of ongoing projects, the el prado outfall. Starting to see the beginning of some proposed projects there. Same thing with, lower peninsula. Here is the lower peninsula. We're updating lower peninsula as well. The city just finished building some of those areas and now updating the rest to see if anything needs to be changed from the original recommendation. You've seen also Manhattan Avenue construction that is underway. Avoid manhattan whenever you can. About this, we would take any questions that you may have.

4:52:41PM Council have any questions on this update?

Bill Carlson

4:52:48PM Just a statement and we can talk about this off-line, as we mentioned in the last session, the neighborhoods, and this is not the businesses, neighborhoods have done an extensive study of Palma Ceia Pines and it has a western outflow down cleveland, which has been studied multiple times. Outside engineers consulted by the neighborhoods have looked at it and believe that, a, that the city can and should have a Palma Ceia Pines study that would be done separately, because now we're being told that Palma Ceia Pines is in phase two, so it might be five or six years before there's any relief. Somehow folks in Palma Ceia Pines and Parkland Estates has been convinced this will help them in some way in the short run when it's not. We don't have to have a long discussion about it now, but I hope that we can have a dialogue about it. I hope you as outside engineer can help us. There was information that was presented in the last couple of yores that does not match with what we're finding in public records. And so what I'm hoping is that we can come back to City Council with an honest, thorough analysis to say that the city would save money by having a Palma Ceia Pines project first. And that would help Parkland Estates because the water would not flow in. What appears to happen is two retention ponds not permitted not maintained overflowed and because the cleveland outfall has flaws in it and problems with it, that the water flowed into Parkland Estates. It appears and the public believes that for some reason the administration just wants this Howard Avenue project, which seems to not make sense. My only question to you, from our analysis looking at the bond documents, it appears that the city does not have the cash flow to pay -- for some reason, the number for South Howard project is 65 million, but we're being told privately it is a hundred million plus interest. The last presentation was about the C.I.P. For the county. We know we don't have the cash flow for our C.I.P. Overall, but just for the South Howard project, from all of our analyses, it appears that the administration is going to have to raise the stormwater fee just for that project. Does anybody have an answer for that? Can we affirm -- some people in the community are being told that, no, the administration has the money without raising stormwater fees, but it doesn't look like the city has the -- even the, four, five million dollars of excess cash a year, doesn't look like the city has the money to cover any additional debt either for that project without raising stormwater fees.

Alan Clendenin

4:55:32PM If you want to bring it up in new business, as far as this particular report --

Bill Carlson

4:55:37PM This is a subset of the thing. There is an outside party looking at all of it and this is a small subset.

Alan Clendenin

4:55:43PM They are not looking at the funding side.

Bill Carlson

4:55:47PM Since he is there, can I get him to answer the question? Don't mean to intrude, but you did ask can anybody ask the question. Could you restate the question?

Alan Clendenin

4:55:58PM Start with name.

Dennis Rogero

4:55:59PM Dennis Rogero, chief financial officer. Good afternoon, council.

Bill Carlson

4:56:04PM We funded $7 million in the South Howard project. I'm being told privately it could be up to a hundred million plus interest.

Dennis Rogero

4:56:14PM I thought you said 7 million.

Bill Carlson

4:56:16PM 7 million for the design phase. That's allocated already. But the next stage 20, 30 million, et cetera. And it appears in looking at the cash flow, out of 15 or 16 million, I won't remember the numbers because it is late in the day, I think 11 million is allocated toward paying the current debt of which I think we figured out we have about 20 million left over. It doesn't look like we have the cash flow to pay any additional debt for the South Howard project or any of the other additional C.I.P.s, that they might prioritize. Without raising the stormwater fee.

Dennis Rogero

4:56:55PM Understood. What I can state is this, and I hope this answers your question. If it doesn't, please let me know. What I can state is this, we don't anticipate increasing the stormwater improvement assessment fee for anything that's not already in the plan, including South Howard. As I think council and the public knows, we don't have the guaranteed maximum price for the South Howard project now. The 2022 price or estimate, excuse me, was about $65 million. We have not identify all of the funding for that. What I can tell you is we have no intention nor plans to increase the stormwater service assessment for that project.

Bill Carlson

4:57:37PM Since it is an enterprise fund, either has to come from existing revenues or debt which is paid out of existing revenues or it has to be paid out of increase. It appears -- I can make a motion to have you come back another time. Appears no cash flow to pay for additional expenses above that.

Dennis Rogero

4:57:56PM Agreed. At this time we do not -- we have a number of potential funding sources but we don't have certain --

Bill Carlson

4:58:02PM Maybe you are talking like a federal grant.

Dennis Rogero

4:58:05PM Yes, sir.

Bill Carlson

4:58:06PM But it's not confirmed yet.

Dennis Rogero

4:58:08PM No. thank you. Again, I just wanted to answer the question.

Alan Clendenin

4:58:11PM Hearing nothing else, that would be the completion of item 73. Thank you for your report. We'll look forward to hearing another one in February. Very good. We'll move on to 75. Let's talk mobility fees. And the fun keeps happening. You are second to last. I'm here tonight to talk about the multimodal impact fee and what we hope to accomplish tonight in this decision is to identify the rate of assessment that we can move forward into an ordinance that will then be heard in December. This is our fourth presentation with City Council. We started discussing this with you back in July. We had two workshops in September and October where we discussed extraordinary circumstances. Following that workshop in October, in the discussion here, we were able to complete our report, and we issued that report or drafted that report on November 6. We submitted it to council via e-mail. We also engaged our stakeholders and sent it to the Tampa Bay builders association and other stakeholders via e-mail and posted it to the city website, the same day. So everyone has had at least two weeks to take a look at that report. And come here today to discuss it. I wanted to discuss one topic. Some discussion in the past that City staff was withholding information on the multimodal impact fee. And not conveying that effectively to the stakeholder team. A letter specifically noted a meeting on October 28 where information was not available. The reason the information was not shared with the stakeholders on the 28th is because it was not available. We had a draft internal table that we used for discussion within the City staff. That information was known to be not fully updated and required additional updates. We received those updates on October 29 and then brought that information to council on the 30th. So the progression of those events was that we met. We got additional information, and we presented it to council and the public at the same time. We actively engaged our stakeholders. We started meeting with stakeholder groups back in July and have continued that engagement throughout the workshops and since we've had additional meetings with the builders association and other stakeholders and hope to continue that active engagement. Tonight, we're going to have kathrin tellez from Fehr & Peers walk us through the report provided to the council and to the public to set us up for the discussion on rate adjustment. With that, I'll turn it over to kathrin.

5:01:31PM CCTV, do you have the presentation for item number 75? I didn't want to waste paper.

5:01:53PM If you can get the wolf up on the public monitors. A brief recap on things we already talked about for the benefit of people who might be hearing this for the first time. An impact fee is assessed by local governments on new development to help fund the cost of infrastructure needed to support that development. Fees are typically paid at the time a building permit is issued and they are designed to offset the financial impact of new development on that public infrastructure. Today, we're only talking about the multimodal impact fee. There are a number of other types of fees that can be assessed, but for today, it's just the multimodal impact fee. And this is a one-time fee that is assessed. So we've talked before about the history of the fee in the City of Tampa and how it was first established in 1989. And then it was most recently updated in 2014 to change it from a roadway impact fee to a multimodal fee. But at that time, the fee schedule itself was not updated. We're still imposing those 1989 basis rates on new development today. So you all had a copy of the report provided. We'll walk through various different things. It is organized into six chapters. I do apologize, the report is a little long itself. We tried to put as much as we could in the technical appendices so that way all the information was there, but we tried to keep that main report pretty succinct. Just kind of go through some of those key items in the report tonight and then we'll get to the fee tables. One of the first things that we just wanted to highlight is the demonstrated needs study that was prepared that outlined some of the extraordinary circumstances facing the City of Tampa and if a finding of extraordinary circumstances is made, it would allow the impact fee to be increased beyond the phased in limitations. We had the two workshops to discuss those. So we won't go through all of that again because those are available online if folks wanted to listen to those presentations. The component of the multimodal fee, at a high level, it's fairly simple. We're really looking at what is the new demand on the transportation system. How much is it to actually build that system, and then we want to avoid double taxation, so there is a credit component to account for gas taxes that are paid. Then we do some math based on trip lengths and other travel characteristics, and we come up with a maximum impact fee. Just because we calculated that as the maximum rate, that does not mean you have to set it at the maximum rate. It just means you cannot set an impact fee rate above that maximum. So, for the demand component it includes a number of different things. So how many trips does a new development generate? And we're looking at multimodal trips, and this multimodal impact fee, the basis of it is a person trip generation calculation. So one of the sources we used to establish how many trips was the institute of transportation engineers trip generation manual, which documents travel characteristics from a host of land uses. We then also look at, well, how long are those trips? Because not all trips are the same length, and you might drive much farther for work than you might to go grocery shopping. So we wanted to acknowledge that not all trips have that same length. And then there are other factors that are included, too, such as the percent of new trips. So we wanted to account for some of the trips being a pass-by trip. So, for example, for a day-care center, you might have a working parent dropping their child off at day care on their way to work or for a grocery store or shopping center, somebody might be dropping off on their way home from work to pick up some groceries. We then look at the cost component. So this includes a number of different factors. So the design of the infrastructure, if right-of-way is needed, how much it actually costs to construct that facility, so that's your, the labor cost, asphalt, all of those things that go into it. And then we also included some transit costs as well. And this table here just kind of shows the cost escalation and all of that is documented in the report. Then there is the question of, well, what can we build? We went through this list at the last presentation we had, so we made a couple of refinements to the text based on the feedback. But there are a lot of different things that can be built and really based on the legislature, it needs to be a capital improvement and it needs to have a life span of at least five years. So we went through the Tampa moves report that was put together, that has a list of a host of multimodal projects that are planned throughout the city. So we just wanted to highlight a couple of examples and how the multimodal impact fee could be used to help advance those projects. So, the first project example is on North Jefferson Street between channelside and Cass Street. So the project that's identified in Tampa moves proposes to modify the corridor to provide a separated bike lane, add a turn lane, implement some speed management, add additional crossing treatments. So these improvements would increase safety for people walking and biking, as well as driving. It would also make walking and biking travel modes more attractive. It would reduce the frequency and severity of collisions with the speed management. And that would decrease the potential for nonrecurring congestion that happens when there is those traffic crashes. And that would overall improve the travel time reliability along the corridor. And then coupled with some of the crossing improvements, that would increase overall access to destinations along the corridor. So as more walking and biking trips can be accommodated, those offset the potential capacity decreases for people in a vehicle. And the intersection improvements add some turn lanes and improve overall traffic signal operations, would improve the overall intersection operations and, again, increase that travel time reliability along the corridor. So the multimodal impact fee could not pay for the entirety of that project, but it can pay for portions of the project, such as roadway reconstruction to add the separated bike lanes and the associated drainage and utility improvements that might need to happen as a part of that. It could construct the turn lanes and right-of-way acquisition if any was needed at any of the corners. And it could also fund the crossing improvements and some of the speed management treatments. The other example we had was in the Interbay district that would add a trail, add some pedestrian crossing, some speed management and signals. Some of the same rationale behind that project just in terms of adding overall person capacity, adding capacity at the intersection by providing the signal. The speed management, improving overall safety and reliability. And the impact fee revenues could be used to fund the trail, the crossing, speed management treatments, traffic signals, associated drainage and utility relocation and right-of-way acquisition if that was needed. Does the impact fee apply to all land developments equally? No. we went through this in our last presentation, so we'll jump ahead to what everybody is waiting for. As we noted in our last presentation, the overall fee increases, they vary by location. There is no one answer. It's not a one size fits all with factors beyond just construction costs really contributing to how rates have changed. The trip rates and trip length data played a large role in that. The next few slides we'll just kind of show where things are landing. We also updated this to include some comparisons to some of the largest cities in Florida. So this table here shows the current average fee for all districts for sort of the five most common land uses. And then we looked at just construction inflation. If we just updated the current fee based on construction inflation, what would that fee be? And then we compared it to the average of the maximum fee that we calculated across all of the districts. And then we pulled, as I mentioned before, the fee comparison to a number of different communities. This one focused on the largest ones. So this slide here is showing jacksonville, Miami-Dade County which includes miami, city of Orlando, and so we can see there's kind of a wide variation. Just want to note that the city of jacksonville actually has ten different zones and it's very difficult to come up with a really great comparison there. But they are lower in jacksonville. And then Miami-Dade County for the most part, it is a lot higher than the maximum rates that are being calculated here. And then we already shared Orlando before, which is kind of in the same range. Then we looked at the next set of cities. So with this, we have st. pete, port st. lucie, cape coral and hialeah. And just want to note that, again, it's kind of all over the place. Some of them are lower. Some of them are higher. In st. pete, they are undergoing an update that was paused, but when that resumes, it is likely that their fee will be increased. The port st. lucie fee was last updated in 2021. That's coming in slightly lower than City of Tampa. Cape coral was sustained in 2005. They are currently undergoing an update and their updated fee schedule is not yet available. And if you happen to be developing in hialeah, they not only have a city fee that is imposed they also have a county fee that's imposed. Those two numbers are additive. As I mentioned, the comparisons that are kind of all over the place with each jurisdiction being unique. Let's focus now on what's happening here. Just looking at some of the fee districts. So there are six overall fee districts. Don't worry, we're not going to go through each one in copious detail, but we'll go through a couple of highlights. This one is in the central business district. This chart is showing kind of those five most common land uses. It's showing what the current impact fee is, the inflation adjusted fee and then the maximum impact fee that was calculated. And then over here on this side, we're showing what that impact fee would be if you do not make a finding of extraordinary circumstances and the fee increases are limited to no more than 50% of the current fee phased in over four years. So that's what this chart here is showing. I just want to highlight that the fee for office and warehouse, the maximum we calculated is actually lower than the current fee based on all the travel characteristics and everything else. So that new lower fee, unfortunately, would not be phased in over the four years. It would go into effect immediately.

Martin Shelby

5:14:56PM Mr. Chairman, if I can interrupt. If you could just state your name again for the record so we can note who the evidence is coming from.

5:15:08PM You are from the firm of.

5:15:15PM Thank you. Sorry to interrupt. It has a lot of the same information, but this is if you make that finding of extraordinary circumstances, would the maximum allowable fee set at the maximum we calculated. Then you could see how that might look if that was phased in over a four-year period as well. We did these for all of the districts, and they are all in the report. So this is just an example from the Interbay district, so you can kind of see that similar logic there. This is what the fee increases could be with that extraordinary circumstances finding. And then, again, what that might look like if it was phased in over a four-year period. Wanted to share a couple of real-life potential examples before we wrap up here. So the first example calculation seems like it is a pretty common sort of redevelopment type scenario, where somebody buys an existing home that maybe let's just say it is about a 1200 square foot home, so that falls into one impact fee rate category. And let's say there is a developer who plans to demolish that home and build a 3200-square-foot home. So they would get a credit for that existing structure that's on the property. Since there are different fee rates for different size homes, they would get one fee credit for that smaller home, and then if they built that larger home, they would then be imposed the higher fee. But what they would pay would actually just be that net difference. Their overall impact fee, in this instance, would be about $2,300. An example, calculation 2, this is sort of an imaginary project in the central east district. Remember, each district has their own fee schedule. In this example, it's a vacant lot, and somebody wants to come in and build a 200-unit, six-story apartment building. So there would be no fee credit for that existing use, and they would be assessed $2,802.98 for each of those 200 units. So that would be a little over a half million dollars in impact fees that they would be assessed. But developers, they are SMART, and they want to build things that people want to rent or buy. In this instance, let's just imagine that the city had done all these investments in a multimodal transportation system where the developer didn't think that people would actually lease all of the parking spaces. So they apply to get a variance, have a parking reduction based on the code. They could reduce that parking supply by about 20%. If this was parking that is structured parking, then that could actually save them over $1.5 million if each of those parking spaces costs about $25,000 to build. Again, this is just a hypothetical example. The last example calculation we have here is a retail development. For this one, it's 125,000 square foot of retail center that has a grocery store, that type of development will generate about 12,000 vehicle trips a day. And that rate, the impact fee rate for that is a little over $31,000 a square foot. So that would equate to almost four million dollars. So with that level of fee assessment, the city could construct some traffic signals at adjacent intersections. They could add some turn lanes, and they could add some trails and sidewalks and other things to help people walk and bike and drive to this type of development. With that, I'll hand it over. A couple of key points before the discussion on rate. First, the action we're taking to modify the impact fee is rate only. We're not modifying the policy. The policy of what you can -- what projects can be implemented under that program was established in 2014 and has been in place for more than a decade. We're not changing what it can be used for. What we're changing is how much the developers have to pay into the impact fee as part of their action. Also, we've had a few more discussions, and wanted to get some more local examples of what the impact fee can be used for. Here is an example. Cleveland street at Rome, you can see down in the bottom right-hand corner, that's what it looked like in 2014. It was a large parking lot with some retail or office space associated with it. And since 2014, there's been a four-story condo built. And now with impact fee funds, what do we anticipate to build at this intersection but a traffic signal. And that traffic signal is being funded through impact fees. That is an example of the kind of infrastructure that development is paying for. Also, elsewhere in the city, the green artery project. Green artery segment e has been constructed. That project is a much larger project. It costs $1.88 million for segment e. But about $225,000 of the funding for that project came from impact fees. So we can do a range of things. It's not just green artery type improvements. It's not just bike-ped focused. It is traffic signals and bike-ped. There is a range, like kathrin said, there is a range of different activities that can be funded through this. Why now? And why use the extraordinary circumstance and exceed the 50% threshold on this fee? Because if we followed the state statute, and we followed the less than 50% of the existing rate, our current impact fees are so low it would take us nearly 20 years to catch the cost of construction. It's been 36 years since we increased it last. If we follow the state statute, it will be 20 more before we catch the cost of the construction. So that's why staff has been looking at this, and that's why we have advanced these kinds of figures. We understand that a sizable increase has the potential to shock development. We heard that this morning in open comment, that there was concern for impact to the development activity within the city. We've had conversations with the home builders where they have expressed those concerns. We've had conversations with council where they have expressed those concerns. We came up with some ideas on how we could help mitigate that. One of them would be a delayed implementation of the program. The state statute says that we can implement it no less than 90 days after the second hearing of the ordinance. And adoption. But we can push it out further. Staff would recommend we consider a time frame of somewhere around six months, delay it until June, and give the development community more time to react to it. We would also suggest that we phase it in. That is the handout that you just received. We received additional feedback from council that they would like to see some percentage implementation of the fee. Again, I want to make the distinction, the state statute says it's 50% of the existing fee, which in the case of multifamily and central business district is $373. So if we did 50% of that fee, that would be the maximum that we could raise it over four years under the state statute, which would take a very long time to catch up to construction cost. What we're looking at is the maximum fee. And then you can see the lines below, that that is, if that maximum fee were implemented at 75% of the maximum fee or 50% of the maximum fee. And then what we would propose is that it be walked in over four years, and these figures show what that annual fee would be if it were walked in over that period. With that, I think we send it to public comment, but then I'm here for question and answer.

Alan Clendenin

5:24:13PM No public comment on this one today. One, I want to thank you, because I think you captured exactly what needed to be done here per our conversations. I think a June 1st implementation gives people time. I think staggering this over four years allows them to adjust their business plan and their business models to appropriately react to this. As I spoke -- we can't talk about it -- sometime between now and June 1st talk about a carrot approach of maybe reducing these for construction of multifamily on transportation corridors and affordable housing of 80% AMI and below, so that we have a carrot approach as opposed to stick as well. But for today, I think we need to move forward with this plan of implementation and the delay until June 1st.

Lynn Hurtak

5:25:03PM I agree in that I believe we already have things in the code for affordable housing reductions, do we not? That doesn't really fall within the purview of mobility. That might be Eric Cotton.

5:25:20PM I definitely agree with you. I think we need to discuss that. But for me, the thing that hit it home and if you could put it back on the screen, the image of the apartment complex.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:32PM The one on cleveland.

Lynn Hurtak

5:25:33PM Yeah, that just did it for me. Because I know how expensive a traffic signal is. It's like a million dollars.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:40PM It's crazy.

Lynn Hurtak

5:25:41PM It's a million dollars to put a traffic signal here. We can't do it with $955.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:52PM I agree. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

5:25:53PM You both had mentioned delay till June.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:56PM June 1st implementation. That gives the community opportunity. They have projects in play. Things going on. It gives them time to adjust their business plan and project their models and having to stagger buffers the impact as well.

Guido Maniscalco

5:26:13PM The top line of implementing it gradually over the next several years.

Alan Clendenin

5:26:20PM Starting June 1st.

Guido Maniscalco

5:26:22PM But giving them until June to, like you said, recalibrate, reorganize.

Alan Clendenin

5:26:27PM I think this is really a good compromise. I think it's really -- I think the development community, a good friend of mine sitting there in the back ROW, I think the development community should be able to adjust to this as well. I think with the delayed entry into June and then having it staggered over four years, and then we can look at things between now and June, too, but I think this is a good leap forward for the City of Tampa.

Guido Maniscalco

5:26:48PM Yeah. I'm not going to talk a long time on this, but I was talking -- I talked to a lot of people about this. Development community, neighborhood people, and we were comparing this to like the tariffs. Because there was an initial boom. My background. Some tariffs, Switzerland, for example, they make watches. In august, it was a 39% implementation and it just -- now it's been reduced to 15. Anyways, that initial shock all at once, it sends a ripple effect. So in this case, if we do delay it until June, if we implement it over several years, we will be reaching our goals, but we're not just sitting everybody all at once. I can understand that.

Alan Clendenin

5:27:37PM What do you need from us? Rate over a four-year implementation time frame delayed until initiation on June 6. I think that's it. Councilwoman Young, we had a conversation about wanting to put those carve-outs in, the use exceptions, and that's something that we can work over the next six months as it lines up, that we can get those in place. It can be figured out in that near-term time frame.

Lynn Hurtak

5:28:10PM I would be interested to know about that, too.

Alan Clendenin

5:28:12PM So you want a motion on this? It's more of a presentation. What is good for your comfort level as far as moving this forward. I just wanted to come up here and ask a question because I will be going back to my office this evening and making some changes to the draft ordinance. If you all are satisfied with the direction that we've been given, that's fine with me because there will certainly be opportunities to vote on what we will come back with. At first and second reading. Just to confirm my understanding, we're going to go with the maximum rate as established by the study. Phase it in over four years.

5:29:11PM Starting June 1st, a Monday. Okay. Thank you.

5:29:20PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

5:29:23PM Would you be able to provide a timeline for first and second readings for the calendar just so we're able to plan?

Alan Clendenin

5:29:30PM We can block it out.

Martin Shelby

5:29:39PM It has to happen.

Alan Clendenin

5:29:44PM Take a motion now?

Martin Shelby

5:29:46PM Actually, you could make a motion to have the first reading placed, following the direction that you've received.

Alan Clendenin

5:29:53PM I'm willing to hear a motion.

Lynn Hurtak

5:29:55PM So moved. Put it on December 4 and December 18. So moved.

Martin Shelby

5:30:02PM Put it on December 4 and then we'll be able to --

Lynn Hurtak

5:30:06PM First reading on December 4.

Alan Clendenin

5:30:08PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it with those understandings. Thank you. Good work on that. Mr. Shelby, bring us home.

Martin Shelby

5:30:25PM Yes, I'll make this brief. You have the substitute substitute. Basically, it is changing one word in 3b from above to aforementioned. But putting that aside, you have in front of you pursuant to your direction from the special called meeting. You had it for your review. You have the timeline of mile post section 7. I will tell you that I've been working with the clerk, and Ms. Lucas Harris can address this. But my understanding is that once this is passed, and it becomes official, the online application will be available to your nominees early next week. So that means that they can get started. And I believe Ms. Lucas Harris, would you be able to notify City Council when that goes live? And then also ask them please to forward to you the e-mail address of your nominee and the reason that that is asked is because they need to receive the form one financial disclosure to be able to submit that. Now, what happens is when the application is submitted, it gets forwarded to a background check. And just to let people know, we don't know if -- we will find out -- it is a yes-no. They either pass the background check or don't. We don't make inquiries as to why or what is the reason. But you'll have that. Now, I recommend, if you look at the last page for the time line -- [cell phone]

Alan Clendenin

5:32:13PM Okay. You got to kill that.

Martin Shelby

5:32:17PM If you look at page four, actually, December 18 is the date for the adoption of the resolution, tentative date. Again, says the following timeline subject to change. If we want to get them up and running and begin Planning to have them in January, December 18 adoption of the resolution appointing the members and designating facilitator and legal counsel. So in order for us to have that resolution prepared, I recommend a deadline for submission by December 11, a deadline for your nominees to put their names in and have. So that way it allows time for the background check to be done, and in worst-case scenario, if whatever reason we don't make December 18, we could move it to the first meeting in January, but I prefer not.

Lynn Hurtak

5:33:08PM I recommend that we have our nominees in by the 5th. December 5th.

Alan Clendenin

5:33:13PM We're dependent on --

Lynn Hurtak

5:33:17PM Once you have the --

Alan Clendenin

5:33:29PM I know who mine is already.

Lynn Hurtak

5:33:30PM Me too.

Martin Shelby

5:33:31PM Just for now, to take a look at what happens after everything happens, you'll see a deadline for them, the Charter Review Commission to give you the recommendations. The following week, even though the calendar does not go out to September, I'm recommending your initial review, you'll have a week to look at it on your own and come back for a workshop, October 1st would be your approval of that. And then on November 5 of 2026, the first reading. If this is acceptable to council, your next step is to move this resolution and let's get the ball rolling.

Alan Clendenin

5:34:11PM The substitute resolution.

Lynn Hurtak

5:34:12PM So move the substitute resolution.

Alan Clendenin

5:34:14PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to move the substitute resolution. A second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Actually, would you like to talk about the attorney?

Martin Shelby

5:34:34PM Actually, Mr. Chairman, I was wondering if you were going to do that under new business.

Alan Clendenin

5:34:38PM I think it's appropriate to talk about it now.

Martin Shelby

5:34:41PM That's very good. I have done research. I have made inquiries in the local bar, and I have --

Alan Clendenin

5:34:54PM Anchor bar. [ laughter ]

Martin Shelby

5:34:58PM Don't give me any ideas. But what I did was I brought a particular attorney to the chair's attention, and his name is Kenneth tinkler. He is a partner at carlton fields.

Alan Clendenin

5:35:17PM Why is carlton fields important? Because they don't --

Martin Shelby

5:35:21PM They don't have a -- they don't have much of a relationship at all with the city. And they are not part of the group that is on the list that has job orders with the city attorney's office. And we were able to get a rate that is in line with what the city attorney would pay for a specialty attorney. The chair had an opportunity to invite him into the office this week, and they spoke. And what we can do, if that would meet with your approval, council, is I can forward you his biography after this meeting, and we can invite him to the next regular meeting of City Council where you can actually do what -- have the same interaction that you had with the facilitator, a similar, meet and greet, get to know, ask any questions that you might have. And then if you look at the timeline, again, the timeline for the adoption of the resolution, engaging both the facilitator and council, come back to you on the 18th.

Guido Maniscalco

5:36:29PM Did he pass muster.

Alan Clendenin

5:36:33PM He did. He does not live in the city. Not a voter. He has extensive experience with government and charters. So he is a subject matter expert. Doesn't live in the city. There's no conflict. I asked about personal relationships with people. He passed the muster with that as well. He knows people but only in passing, casual.

Guido Maniscalco

5:36:54PM Because we had an attorney 20 something years ago say I don't have a dog in the fight. Did you say that when you came up here?

Alan Clendenin

5:37:04PM Very similar. I pretty much grilled him. You all have the opportunity as well.

Martin Shelby

5:37:08PM Also, if I could add to that, he has done work with the Charter Review Commission for Hillsborough county when he was an assistant county attorney. And also he does work with lee county, pasco county, I believe.

Alan Clendenin

5:37:26PM Interesting thing, again, for this type of subject matter, there are not that many people that have background or experience. We talked a little bit about the role between himself and the facilitator and how these meetings, what his role is, and, of course, incorporating the conversation into legalese language to get this stuff to us then to go to the ballot.

Martin Shelby

5:37:49PM Also that I have had personal experience with him -- [ laughter ] he is also board certified as I am in city, county, and local government law with the Florida bar, which is why I knew of him for many years.

Alan Clendenin

5:38:11PM We'll invite him and add him to that next -- I don't think we need a motion for that. Add it under agenda review, just add him to that.

Martin Shelby

5:38:19PM I will get his bio to the council.

Alan Clendenin

5:38:22PM I am totally blanking out. We did move the substitute resolution. We're at new business. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

5:38:27PM Yes. Don't get mad. Just want to wish a happy birthday to kelly scharf, your legislative aide. I saw that back there. I know she does a wonderful job.

Alan Clendenin

5:38:41PM Happy birthday to you. [Singing "happy birthday"]

Lynn Hurtak

5:38:56PM Funny story, she asked me not to have any desserts for her, but I think after being serenaded by us, I think next year she will change her mind.

Guido Maniscalco

5:39:06PM Happy birthday, kelly. More importantly, happy anniversary to my wife. It is on Thanksgiving Day this year. It is our four-year anniversary.

Alan Clendenin

5:39:14PM Four years of putting up with you.

Guido Maniscalco

5:39:17PM Yes. She's very patient, so is my legislative aide and several of my friends. I'm not the easiest.

Alan Clendenin

5:39:29PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

5:39:30PM Thank you. I had just a couple of things. Did you want to talk about HART? We just found out today that thanks to our wonderful congress woman kathy castor, HART got $32 million for 33 new buses that are replacing the aging diesel fleet. And we will be the first transit agency in Florida with hundred percent low emission CNG fixed route fleet. It's really cool. It's not, unfortunately, anything that can be done like brick and mortar, but we can take the money and not have to replace buses --

Alan Clendenin

5:40:09PM Buses that need to be replaced.

Lynn Hurtak

5:40:11PM Desperately need to be replaced. Each bus they are replacing averages 688,000 miles already ridden.

Alan Clendenin

5:40:18PM And high maintenance.

Lynn Hurtak

5:40:20PM And high maintenance. I believe your aide, sam, has something also that I think he was going to come up and put up for me.

Alan Clendenin

5:40:31PM Sam, do you have something to put up? We can circle back.

Lynn Hurtak

5:40:35PM Basically he wanted to put up, today or tonight at 6:30 is the transgender day of remembrance. And there will be a vigil at river crest park. He's got it. He'll pop it on the wolf for me. If you have a moment to attend, it is a wonderful event and it's something that some of the public comment today talked about making sure that we let folks know that we are paying attention and we care about the things that people care. This council and board very clearly has supported the lgbtq+ community. So I think that even just sharing this and making sure people know about it is one of our commitments to that transparency and support.

Alan Clendenin

5:41:21PM Very good. Councilwoman Young. Any new business?

5:41:30PM You don't have to. No. very good. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

5:41:36PM I don't know if I can make it tonight because of a commitment I have to my son. Thank you. That's obviously a wonderful reminder. Couple of quick things, if I may. You all had gotten a memo. I wish Charlie Miranda was here for this. Tony garcia, who had worked with our Planning Commission, his late father, an amazing man, did -- I think it was 30 years as the head of the uso here and wonderful veteran advocate and great West Tampa leader. I motion for staff to return with a presentation regarding a request for a street renaming to honor the late tony garcia, junior to return on January 22, meeting with a staff presentation. The memorandum and corresponding documents were sent some time ago about a month ago, and I wish, again, Charlie was here for that.

Guido Maniscalco

5:42:23PM Second. You're talking about tony's dad.

Luis Viera

5:42:29PM Yeah, not tony.

Guido Maniscalco

5:42:31PM Sit down with tony. The stories are unbelievable and the pictures, the proof. Yeah, second. Absolutely. Ask anybody, anybody knows, he was always doing something in the community good. Councilwoman Hurtak, you had a question.

Lynn Hurtak

5:42:55PM Quick question for the clerk. I made a motion a while ago for a place holder for the proposed ordinance on raising the multimodal transportation fee. Can I now take that off the agenda and have it replaced by -- they are bringing a motion forward. So we went ahead and made a place holder so there would be a spot. Can I now take that off?

5:43:20PM I'll just go ahead and remove that place holder for the multimodal transportation fee for both December 4 and 18 because they are coming as ordinances and not staff reports.

Alan Clendenin

5:43:32PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Viera, something else? We have a motion from Councilman Viera, a second from Councilman Maniscalco on the -- all those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it thank you.

Luis Viera

5:43:56PM Really quick, every year, I invite the jewish community federation to come on national holocaust. January 22, 2026.

Alan Clendenin

5:44:06PM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor say aye. Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

5:44:13PM Lastly, Morris Lopez, the late Morris Lopez, a Tampa Police Department officer who had given all in 1949 was on 7th and 16th street, paul guzzo did a wonderful story on him in Ybor City. We already voted on this, for TPD to be working on a marker. They are going back and forth on it. I potentially have something for a plaque, a plaque to be put there. This is my motion, because I think it is an important. That's an area people go to party. I would love for them to see a man with the Tampa Police Department gave everything and also saved the life of a newspaper boy there. Amazing story. I want a written staff report on that on December 18 and then if I'm not satisfied by said written staff report, which I'm sure I will be, a place holder for January 8 of 2026. So again written staff report I'm sure will be fine. Just in case because I'm only here for another year. Mr. Lopez who was here I promised him I would do that some time ago.

Alan Clendenin

5:45:28PM Motion from Viera. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

Luis Viera

5:45:33PM I was asked as well for fire station 24 report to be heard first under staff reports on December 18 to accommodate the project manager coming from out of town.

Alan Clendenin

5:45:45PM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

5:45:54PM I just wanted to sheriff been going to a lot of different events and things within the district which has been really awesome. You think you know the district and then you go out and you learn even more and meet a lot of people. One event that I had an opportunity to go to, it was in Sulphur Springs. 813 stop the violence by someone -- she's known as trinidad. Her name is LaChone. She had an event at George bartholomew center. It was amazing to hear some of the stories of some of the moms and dads that had lost their children or loved ones to gun violence. But thinking overall, I had made a post -- I posted something on my social media about just the motion that I made about having the report for our next council meeting, and at the end I had posted something that I just wanted to read. It says, our community has experienced some very tragic recent losses that have left families in pain. Many of us cannot even imagine. Please let us remember to be sensitive to that and continue to keep those families in our thoughts and prayers as we navigate their healing. Times like this remind us how vital empathy and compassion are and not just in our policy making but in how we show up for one another each day. I think that is important. There are a lot of things that are happening. But I will echo the sentiments of Councilwoman Hurtak, that we are up here and we see and we hear and we talk to a lot of people, and we're hearing you, and we're listening, and we're doing the best that we can. I just wanted to make those sentiments.

Alan Clendenin

5:47:39PM Thank you. Very well said. Get everybody out at 6:00.

Luis Viera

5:47:48PM I can't say this in front of folks. When I became CRA chairperson, I indicated that once we get a district 5 person, I would allow -- not allow, not the right word -- I would be amenable to him or her whenever ready taking over as chairperson. Councilwoman Young, I say that, whenever you feel ready, please during CRA let me know. I do not care. Whenever you're ready, let it be known, if you so wish. Don't have to say yes or no. just let me know. Thank you, ma'am.

Alan Clendenin

5:48:20PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

5:48:23PM I'm tired. A couple of things real fast. I've been asked by the public to get a written update on the construction fees study and land development fee study. Make a motion to get a written update on the construction fee study and land development fee study since the written report, can we do December 18?

Alan Clendenin

5:48:48PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco for the December 18 meeting for the written reports on the two items. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

Bill Carlson

5:48:59PM I'd like to have -- you all recommended a workshop. I don't know if we can do January or February. But I'd like to have a discussion at a workshop about converting the Convention Center to an enterprise fund and/or reporting the cost and expenses in a unified way.

Lynn Hurtak

5:49:26PM I think January is too soon to have that kind of discussion.

Martin Shelby

5:49:30PM February is pretty booked.

Lynn Hurtak

5:49:31PM We don't have one in March. April is probably what they will tell you is a good time. April 23, nothing on that.

Alan Clendenin

5:49:42PM We have a motion for that workshop agenda on April 23, 2026. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you.

Bill Carlson

5:49:52PM Last thing as they are turning off the lights, I've asked several -- this is council member Young's district, but I've had several, it affects my district because Harbour Island is here. I've had several times you all have allowed us to have staff come before us to talk about the traffic jams in downtown. On Friday night I went to an event at the addition, it took me an hour to get from inside downtown to inside the parking lot of the addition. Took me an hour to get out of downtown. The reason is that they are shutting down roads. You pull out of the addition, you turn left, hard to get on there. They shut down the road, won't let you get back on the sell moderate chop. Vik Bhide when he was here said publicly and privately, if they would stop shutting down the roads and let the lights work, everything would work. I would like to pass an ordinance that prohibits them from shutting down the roads. Instead, what I would like to do is maybe ask them to come one more time. I'd like to make a motion to have City staff come before us as soon as possible to tell us how they can prevent the traffic jams in downtown. It's completely debilitating. Several events, the traffic again backed up all the way to Rome.

Alan Clendenin

5:51:16PM I would second this wholeheartedly because I observed the same thing. Okay. Good. I second that with two thumbs up.

Lynn Hurtak

5:51:24PM We don't have a date until the new year.

Bill Carlson

5:51:29PM 5th of February.

Lynn Hurtak

5:51:33PM There's room in January. January 8 has room there's a motion from council member Carlson, there's a second from Chair Clendenin. Any more conversation about this?

Guido Maniscalco

5:51:51PM I park here and walk there and avoid it. I understand for the general public, it's awful.

Lynn Hurtak

5:51:57PM They would have to come this way.

Bill Carlson

5:52:00PM You expect the roads to be a certain way --

Alan Clendenin

5:52:05PM They force you into worse traffic. Near the arena. It's idiotic what's happening. I don't understand why they do it. And we have a shortage of police officers. We'll talk about it then.

Lynn Hurtak

5:52:17PM I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Any opposed? Ayes have it.

Alan Clendenin

5:52:24PM Mr. Shelby, you would like to delay our departure further.

Martin Shelby

5:52:29PM Yes, for your health and well-being. Councilman Viera, to get back to his discussion about the CRA, I've had an opportunity to talk with them, Cliff Shepard, your CRA attorney, and looking at your bylaws. Just to let you know it is City Council that makes the appointment, not the CRA. And in the interests of transparency and notice, I would ask that it not be done under new business, that it be an agenda item when the time should come that we are able to put it on the agenda to give the public the opportunity to know about it in advance and comment on it, if they wish.

Luis Viera

5:53:13PM This is the right thing to do. May I just for 30 seconds? I forgot to say this, that if you all know rich reidy, who was Commissioner Ken hagan's aide, he passed on. Just our sincere condolences to him and his family. He was a member of idlewild baptist, if I recall. He was always a nice guy. He was a pro. He really was. Commissioner hagan and everybody in the county and Mr. Reidy's family, just my condolences.

Alan Clendenin

5:53:44PM Clerk, are we done with our full agenda? Checked off all the boxes? We have a motion to receive and file from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, aye. Happy thanksgiving, everybody! We are adjourned. [ sounding gavel ] disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings may need to hire a court reporter. ▶ meeting video the information contained in these pages represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Persons requiring a verbatim transcript may need to hire a court reporter. © - City of Tampa (813) 274-8211