City Council — February 19, 2026 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:10:13AM Good morning, everybody. Thank you for your patience while we resolve some technical issues. I would like to call this meeting to order. I would like to recognize Councilman Bill Carlson for invocation.

Bill Carlson

9:10:30AM I had someone this morning, a preacher coming this morning, and he had to do something else. I grabbed someone from the audience. Gary Hartfield. So I want to invite Gary up. He has a long bio. I put him on the spot. Sure hell do a great job. He just found out about three minutes ago. He has a long bio. He has several businesses, successful entrepreneur. I think hes written one or more books, gives speeches, and is very philanthropic in the community. If you all could please stand for the invocation and the pledge, and, Gary, please proceed. Members of the Council and to staff, Administration. Thank you for this opportunity to give the invocation and invoke gods presence into these proceedings. If you will, please bow your heads with me. In this moment, let US pause. We gather today entrusted with responsibility, responsibility to lead with wisdom, to serve with integrity, and to decide with fairness. God, grant US clarity in our discussions, patience in disagreement, and courage to pursue what is just and beneficial for the entire community. May we remember that every policy represents people, families, businesses, neighborhoods, and futures. Help US listen well, think carefully, and act honorably. May our work today, father, strengthen the city we are privileged to serve. IT is in your sons Jesus name we pray, amen. [Pledge of allegiance]

Alan Clendenin

9:12:34AM Our community and City Of Tampa experienced a great loss this week. I would like to recognize Councilman Luis Viera.

Luis Viera

9:12:40AM Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. Many knew the late Joe Caetano who was our Tampa City Council representative in district 7 from 2007 to 2011, Joe was. Ill talk more about Joe later on, but we mourn joes loss. Joe was one of the -- I had a friend of mine, Jim Davidson run against me in 2016 text me and say Joe was one of the founding fathers of New Tampa. He really was. He started his first business out there in 1987. Joe was fanatical for New Tampa, I mean that in a Good Way. Fanatical in a Good Way. Again, ill deal with this issue some more later on. Lets have a moment of silence for Joe Caetano, former law enforcement as well as United States Marine. [Moment of silence] thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:34AM Thank you, Councilman Viera and thank you Councilman Carlson. Thank you, Gary, good to see you in City Council chambers.

9:13:43AM Clerk, can you call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

9:13:46AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:46AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:13:47AM Here.

Naya Young

9:13:48AM Here.

Luis Viera

9:13:49AM Here.

Bill Carlson

9:13:50AM Here.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:51AM Here.

The Clerk

9:13:52AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:54AM Thank you. ID like to have a motion to approve the minutes from the regular session held on February 5, 2026 and the evening session held on February 12, 2026. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Two walk-on items. One is for the settlement agreement. ID like to add that to the consent agenda under the Finance Committee. We have a motion from Councilman Viera. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. We have an -- we have a walk-on item from staff. Okay. So, lets go through the agenda. Anybody have any requests?

Naya Young

9:14:57AM I do. I would like to request if We could move item number 60 up. I got a lot of requests from Constituents who are here today, if We could move the item up. If that is possible, maybe after public comment.

Alan Clendenin

9:15:16AM We have a motion from Councilwoman Young, a second from Councilman Maniscalco to move staff report number 60 up to be heard after public comment. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Luis Viera

9:15:35AM The one on Tampa Firefighters Local 754, due to some scheduling issues, May we have an approximate time certain? Perhaps 30 minutes after lunch, what have you, something just to give them some guidance.

Alan Clendenin

9:15:51AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

9:15:53AM Those are all written staff reports this week. Theres nothing coming in front of US about Station 24.

Luis Viera

9:15:59AM No, no.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:01AM Which item are you talking about?

Luis Viera

9:16:03AM 56. By The Way, this is incorrect. We sent -- okay, yeah. So this is incorrect put on the agenda. Supposed to be Local 754 present under public safety plan, not just k-bar ranch. IT was corrected by memo, I believe. That I do request a time certain for that. This is for Local 754 with their public safety plan to have a handout for Tampa City Council. I do wish to have a time certain for that because of some scheduling issues with some of the members that wish to be here for that. Thats 56.

Guido Maniscalco

9:16:45AM [Inaudible]

Luis Viera

9:16:48AM Lets do 2:30.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:50AM We have a motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. To have a time certain to hear item 56 at 2:30 pm. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Very good. Everybody is good with the consent agenda.

Bill Carlson

9:17:08AM Mr. Chair, ID like to pull item 28 for comment, separate comment, and then item number 34 for separate vote.

Alan Clendenin

9:17:19AM 28 and 34.

Bill Carlson

9:17:20AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

9:17:26AM ID also like to just have comment about item 10 as well.

Alan Clendenin

9:17:48AM Lets move to staff reports. No administrative update. Is that still true? Okay. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

9:18:08AM Chief Bennett, I know that you have had conversations with T-Tag Folks, so some of the tree resolutions have changed. And I dont want to get In The Way of what they are changed to, so if you would like to speak to that. So we could fix IT from the agenda, that would be great. Items 50, 51, 62.

John Bennett

9:18:43AM Good morning. John Bennett, chief of staff. Good morning to Council and to the public. Yes, following councils conversations with the public over the last couple of months, weve had a couple of listening sessions with the community, specifically the T-Tag Group, the Advocacy For Trees. Some of the than leadership. And what we are proposing is that in hindsight of this last project, and, of course, there was another continuance. We appreciate Councilman Carlson's bundlings with that. I have a memo in for that which well talk about separately later on because IT is bigger. Essentially, what we are asking for was to take the money that was slated for the general fund in the resolution, take IT out of the tree trust fund this time, and then we are going to create a series of focus groups between now and the April workshop on trees, and then come back with a holistic plan that will help, again, protect the goal, which is the tree canopy, and then also do some things either with the code andor the budget for FY '27. I socialized that with a group, got some, I thought some welcome feedback on that. But specifically to the resolution, if Council agrees with that, then wed have to make a motion to amend the resolution and then bring that back.

Lynn Hurtak

9:20:04AM Okay. I know that Folks From The Public are here today to speak to that agreement. So what im going to do is just ask that we continue item 62 to April 23rd.

Alan Clendenin

9:20:18AM We have a motion to continue item 62 to April 23, 2026 from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Lynn Hurtak

9:20:27AM And then I think 50 and 51 we should probably make that motion after we hear from the public so that the rest of Council understands what they are asking for. And then im asking for item number 59 to be withdrawn because the draft ordinance is on earlier in the agenda. So they actually did come -- its item number 48, so its already there.

Alan Clendenin

9:20:51AM We have a motion to remove item 59 from the agenda from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Go through one by one to make sure. We covered 50, 51. 53. I thought We just covered that. Maybe We didnt.

Martin Shelby

9:21:14AM 52 is a 2:30 time certain.

Lynn Hurtak

9:21:19AM No, thats 56.

Alan Clendenin

9:21:23AM No Staff for 52. 53, no. Theres going to be a verbal presentation from Staff on that. They are prepared. Verbal presentation on 55. Discussed 56.

Martin Shelby

9:21:37AM If we can slow down so that Staff can keep up. 54 you want Staff present?

Alan Clendenin

9:21:42AM Yes. Well have Staff for 54, Staff for 55. We discussed 56. Going to be a time certain at 2:30. There is going to be Staff for 57. For 58, written report, can We --

Bill Carlson

9:22:02AM I dont know if Chief Of Staff wants to be here, but I want to discuss IT if possible.

Alan Clendenin

9:22:07AM So yes. Which removed 59. 60 is being pulled.

Martin Shelby

9:22:16AM So that being the case, then You anticipate Staff having to be present here for 60 after public comment.

9:22:24AM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:22:27AM 61 yes. 62 is gone. Now we have written reports. Can we get a motion to receive and file 63 through 66? We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Very good. Any other changes to the agenda? Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

9:22:48AM I want to wish our attorney Martin Shelby a very happy 39th birthday. [ applause

Alan Clendenin

9:22:56AM There is enough of that. There will be no happiness in this Council Chambers. We have a motion to approve the agenda from Councilman Maniscalco, a second from Councilman Carlson. All those in favor aye. Opposed? The ayes have IT. Very good. Thank you. We are moving on to our commendations and presentation. We have a commendation, Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

9:23:43AM Councilwoman young for the record. This is really exciting. This will be my first in-house commendation, so I am very, very excited to be able to do this, especially for two very amazing, brave young men that are with US today. Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton. Shakur McCrone is 18 years old, and he attends Icon Preparatory School, and he is dual enrolled at Arizona State College, a drum major and fashion designer. In the fall, Shakur will be going to nursing school. And Carnell Barton is 17 years old and attends Icon Preparatory School, and he is set to enroll in auto mechanics. Carnell is a hands-on mechanic and computer tech. So just hearing that alone, I am very excited for you two to be my first in-house commendation. Just a little bit of background, well, if you were at the firefighters banquet, these two young men were honored. Just to give an account for those that were not there, this is from Tampa fire inspector johnny. Approximately 10:25 am., Noticed a huge rising of smoke. He headed towards the smoke to investigate what was happening. Once he got there he witnessed there was a home engulfed in flames. While he went there, called 911 while also calling the fire Dispatch. After contacting Dispatch, neighbors informed him that someone was still inside of that structure, inside of the structure west of the burning home and IT was starting to ignite because of the closeness of the home to the house on fire. Fire inspector Johnny Primus and Carnell Barton went to the front door and banging on the door and shouting for anyone inside to evacuate. They were told by a Resident that the woman was probably still in her bedroom at the rear of the house. Tampa fire inspector and Carnell proceeded to the back of the house, banging on the door and window to try and access the rear door. During this, TPD sergeant Danny Rhodes had arrived. He and Shakur McCrone were at the front of the house where they were kicking and banging on doors and windows attempting to alert the homeowner there was a fire. Resident finally responded to the shout and made verbal contact with Carnell and informed that the house was on fire and needed to evacuate. They moved to the back, to the front of the house where they confirmed the Resident had been evacuated from the home with the assistance of mccrone and sergeant rhodes. She was Across The Street to safety. These two young men were very, very brave. Didnt think about anyone, didnt think about themselves. There was a Resident in the home that needed to be saved and they quickly acted. IT gives me great pleasure to give you this commendation today. I want to thank you both for your bravery. We have a few people here that would like to speak. We have our Fire Chief Barbara Tripp, also Tampa Fire Rescue inspector Johnny Primus. You have your Principal here who would like to say a few words and a few business partners that would like to recognize and honor you guys today. [ applause well have a few words and then ill do the commendation at the end.

Chief Tripp

9:27:38AM Barbara Tripp, fire chief for Tampa Fire Rescue. Ill be quick because we have a lot of people. On behalf of Tampa Fire Rescue, we want to thank you guys. You always talk about who is a hero, who is a true hero. You are true heroes because you are ordinary people who found the strength to persevere and overcome some of the obstacles that we deal with on a daily basis. I want to thank Inspector Johnny Primus. Thats what life is about because made a difference in this individuals life. You put yourself to the side and thought about saving someone else. On behalf of the men and women of Tampa Fire Rescue, we thank you for what youve done because, of course, that helped US once we got on scene to actually have someone thats out for safety and we didnt have to change our tactics of putting out the fire. Of course, life safety is top priority, so we would have to change that. Because of you and inspector primus, that changed our tactic so we could put that fire out. Once again, congratulations, you are true heroes, and we are hiring. [ laughter even though I know you have plans of being a nurse, but im a firefighter, we can do both of them, same thing with mechanics. If you ever need anything from Tampa Fire Rescue, please feel free to come out and more than happy to help you. [ applause of course, when I pulled --

Alan Clendenin

9:29:08AM Start with your name. When I pulled up on the fire scene, automatically my instinct, training and experience kicked in, so I knew what to do. However what kicked in for these young men was love of their community knowing they had a neighbor trapped inside. The motto I live by is what they are the epitome of -- people helping people. Thats all. Thank you. [ applause

9:29:39AM Start with your name. Tony Rokita from the Florida Aquarium, along with Rita Coley, our longest tenured employee, celebrate 30th season. Really, we couldnt be prouder of You two, Shakur and Carnell. We have a special commendation. We did something exclusive for You. We put together a golden ticket for both of You to come to the Florida Aquarium. Youll have a one of a kind experience. Well show You the power of water over fire. Officers, thank You for your acts of bravery and selflessness. Were going to have an amazing day, bring whatever guest and also become members of the Florida Aquarium as well. Thank You for your bravery. [ applause good morning. I am ingram. Here to represent the CDC Of Tampa on behalf of our president and CEO, Mr. Ernest Coney, we are super proud of You and your story. Im fortunate to have had great conversation with You this morning. We would like to bestow upon You an invitation to Shakur and Carnell, we would like to invite You to a premier event that Will Take Place on next Friday, February the 27th at 9 am. And that is where I will suit up and show up event where You will receive a custom-tailored suit. [ applause we are super proud of You, and we are looking forward to seeing You In The Place. And were looking forward to You going higher in your endeavors. Congratulations. [ applause Darrick Fullwood, representing Triple A Builders community business partner of Tampa, Florida. Im just so proud to be able to have this opportunity to honor these two young men. I want to read real quick. In recognition of extraordinary courage and selfless bravery for heroically pulling a woman from a burning home and demonstrating exceptional valor and compassion and integrity for others, Shakur and Carnell on behalf of Triple A Builders, $300 voucher each to get a tailor-made suit made -- laughter -- so You will be suited up for success. Here is a gift bag. One of them has a nice -- applause I think the chief whispered to me she wants one of them -- I dont know if IT was the suit or dinner. Well get some dinners here. Steve Michelini, here on behalf of a couple of different folks who would like to honor these two gentlemen. First, ill read this commendation that ill present to them. Who are heroes. Heroes are ordinary people pressed into extraordinary circumstances. Heroes are those and those extraordinary circumstances when they are presented with those, they do extraordinary things. A hero is everyone and anyone who makes that choice when faced with those conditions. Every time a first responder responds to an incident, they are a hero. Trained to do extraordinary things when they are faced with adversity. But these are ordinary individuals who are faced with extraordinary circumstances and had no training. ID like to start a story with You about a young hero who did extraordinary things when faced with adversity. And without the advantage of age, training, honed skills, IT was based simply upon the need and being present and the need arose and the willingness to accept the challenge. And in the face of IT, they did not retreat from IT. Heroes come in every shape, size, color and every gender. They know no age, no country, No Place of origin. History is filled with them. Some are known and some are not so well known. Here is a story that recognized a grateful community for Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton. Ordinary individuals are faced with extraordinary circumstances and rose to the occasion saving a life. Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton are those two individuals who we applaud for their rushing into danger for someone else instead of running away. I can assure You that having saved a life is an experience You will never forget. Im here with Mike Mcarthur who is with stepps towing who is also going to be presenting for stepps towing. Yummy House China Bistro, were providing You with your choice of lunch and dinner for both of You. Individual certificates, so take these letters with You. For daily eats and Ciccio Restaurant Group, breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Stepps has offered passes To The St. Petersburg grand prix in the paddock area. Let me put this on the wolf. [ applause You will be treated as honored guests there. And You will receive the vip treatment. [ applause theres one for each of You. Again, we applaud You for rushing in when other people rush out. Thank You. Congratulations.

Naya Young

9:36:20AM Wow, that is nice. One more.

Alan Clendenin

9:36:24AM More swag. Fire inspector Johnny Primus. This is just on behalf of visit Tampa Bay, but one other thing I wanted to point out is that on that fire scene, I dont know if IT was said or not, but these individuals actually made the initial 911 call as well and didnt just leave IT at that. Then continued down to the home because they knew their neighbor needed assistance. This is on behalf of visit Tampa Bay. Again, we ask that our young people in society step up and do the right thing and take a look at them. [ applause

Naya Young

9:37:07AM I think we have Tampa Housing Authority wants to say something as well. And then I will present you all with your commendation, and then you guys are going to speak. Barbara Lee Thomas, case manager for the Tampa Housing Authority. I am overwhelmed this morning to hear the things that these two young men have done. Ive known them for quite a while. They are very, very respectable children. They dont give their mother any trouble. I was the one that made sure that if mom came and say they didnt clean their room, I would get a visit to them. Im very proud of you guys, and its very important that the community see the importance of embracing our young men. [ applause IT wasnt by happenstance that these young guys was where they were when they were where they were. They live right on the corner. Maybe a house, maybe two right from where the fire started. And they are good kids. They do well in school. Yeah, this one, too. Im just so proud of them. I treat them as they are my sons. And today is a very, very proud moment for me and on behalf of the Tampa Housing Authority and the case management team, we are extremely proud of you guys. I was going to take them to lunch today, but -- laughter well save IT for another time. Thank you for your time. [ applause

9:39:11AM Mom, did you want to come up? My name is Angela Bellamy. I am the mother and grandmother of these kids back here. I just want to say that I want to bring light to the floor here that we come from Public Housing. And im honored to let you know that this is what can come from Public Housing. [ applause not just Public Housing, but Robles Park Residents. This is Robles Park Residents. -- this is Robles Park Residents. Im proud, and thank you. [ applause and I love him dearly.

Alan Clendenin

9:40:23AM I want to let you know that the gentleman to my far right also came from Public Housing, Councilman Miranda. Councilman Miranda grew up in Public Housing.

Naya Young

9:40:34AM I told you guys dont have to speak long. Do a minute, 30 seconds, but if either one of you want to say something. Im Shakur McCrone. I would like to thank everyone here today. This is not new to me, I guess ill say, but I thank everyone in here today. Thank you. [ applause im Carnell Barton. I also want to say its an honor to be in front of all of you getting recognized for saving someone, not knowing that saving a lady from a fire would bring this much recognition to US, but its kind of a good feeling at the same time knowing that we did do something good and helped somebody at the end of the day. Thank you. [ applause

9:41:39AM Lastly, so you both will get one of these commendations, Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton. Tampa City Council is honored to recognize Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton for their extraordinary courage, selflessness, and swift action in saving the life of a neighbor during a house fire. On December 16, 2025, two brave young men from the East Tampa community responded without hesitation to a dangerous residential fire. Upon calling 911, these two courageous young men realized a neighbor was in imminent danger. Shakur and Carnell, without regards to their own safety, entered the home which was filled with intense heat, flames, and smoke to rescue a neighbor. The bravery, heroism, and sound judgment displayed by Shakur and Carnell in a life-threatening emergency demonstrated that true courage is measured not by age but by the willingness to act when others are in need. On this 19th day of February, the City Of Tampa with great admiration and respect is pleased to recognize Shakur McCrone and Carnell Barton for their phenomenal act of service. I would just like to say as district 5 representative, I am extremely proud of you two. I know that you are going to do great things and continue to do great things for our community. [ applause thank you so much, council.

Alan Clendenin

9:43:33AM Thank you all so much. Have a beautiful day. Were going to take a moment for them to take pictures outside on the stairwell. Traditional stairwell pictures. Councilman Viera, im teeing you up.

9:43:54AM Councilman Viera, whenever you are ready.

Luis Viera

9:45:17AM Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Do any of you recognize Donald from Hanna? Donald is one of our security guards who works over at Hanna. I met Donald when he was working --

Alan Clendenin

9:45:33AM Councilman Viera, hold on. [ sounding gavel can everybody settle down and no talking, please? Im looking at you.

Luis Viera

9:45:41AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I met Donald over here at city hall one day. He was wearing his Vietnam Veteran and United States marine hat at the time. We became friends. I found out, we have a short 40 second video on this, Donald took a very meaningful trip to Ghana to see various steps of the slaves when the folks in africa were enslaved and brought many to the United States and different places. In terms of donalds background, originally from saint louis, Missouri. He would serve in Vietnam in combat as United States marine from 1968 to 1969. Before I go on, lets give this Vietnam Veteran a round of applause. [ applause your father was Navy, and well see a picture of him in a little bit. Son a marine, served five years. His grandson recently signed up as United States marine. Comes from a very, very proud military family. Well watch a short video about donalds time in Ghana. He went to the first bath of return, which Is The Place in Ghana where many folks and africans before they ultimately went on and enslaved and taken into ships, places to the west and United States, they would take their last bath. We know in the middle passage about 1.5 Million africans lost their lives at the time, a threw western Holocaust. Donald would be given an african name and adopted into a tribe and would have a ceremony for himself over in Ghana, something very, very meaningful for Donald because his great, great grandmother was enslaved. Very personal journey for Donald. Before we hear from this wonderful, wonderful guy, we have a very short video on his trip. Were doing this for Black History Month. [Video shown] there you go. Folks, another round of applause. [ applause this was a great trip of a lifetime for Donald. I just wanted to give him space to talk about IT. Go ahead, buddy.

Alan Clendenin

9:48:39AM Start with your name, please. Security Guard with the City Of Tampa, Contractor. This is a trip I always wanted to make back to mother land where my ancestors came back from. I was able to get back there. I wanted to see how they lived. I visited the slave, where they kept the slaves, which is really -- the deal they went through. Visited some of the places where they make factories where they make necklaces. I brought a sample of the water from the river where they took the last bath before they were told into slavery. I brought back some little artifacts that they make by hand. They call IT the jewelry factory and beautiful sculptures. One thing I found out, dealing cash there. They dont use too much credit cards. Cash. Another thing, the cell phones that you turn in, thats where they go, that you trade in for newer phones. They said the new phones, they dont get them. They sell them inferior phones. Thats where they are recycled to. Very friendly people. Speak 80 different languages. IT was really an experience that I said when I was in the military, strait of Gibraltar and I could see africa from a distance. One day ill get back there and put my feet on the soil. I was able to make that trip. Just wanted to bring back and show you.

Luis Viera

9:50:53AM Thank you, Donald. Give him a round of applause. [ applause I have a gift for Black History Month. IT is a picture of the night president Barack Obama was elected with his family over here. We spoke last night, I know you are a big fan of our former president. 44th president, I believe IT was. 44. There you go. God bless you. Lets give this man another round of applause. [ applause

Alan Clendenin

9:51:27AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

9:51:31AM I have to say that before I became a councilwoman, I worked in west africa. Ghana was my very favorite country to visit. When I was in cape coast, I toured the cape coast castle and the door of no return, all of that was probably the most emotional. IT still stays within me just the horror of IT. The Ghanaian People have done a wonderful job with not masking any of the horror. Its very clear, folks do not want to forget that. I think thats so important. Youre right, ghanaian, phenomenal, phenomenal, welcoming wonderful people, wonderful country. Thank you so much for sharing with US today. You just brought me a lot of joy this morning. Just one of my very favorite places in the whole world, cape coast, Ghana, just one of my very favorites. Anybody has an opportunity to go, please go, if you ever get a chance to go.

9:52:37AM Agreed.

Alan Clendenin

9:52:38AM I would love to see a program for folks graduating from high school to be sponsored to go to sub-saharan africa. Its a life-changing event and you realize, one, by the happenstance of birth the difference, you meet people, speak five different languages. Incredible people. Happenstance of birth find themselves in sometimes some really difficult and tough situations. One of the most beautiful -- sub-saharan africa one of the most beautiful amazing places. Beautiful people. I can feel you because I was touched by IT. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Luis Viera

9:53:16AM Thank you, Council. [ applause

Alan Clendenin

9:53:31AM I would like to my good friend, Greg Slater, CEO of the Tampa/hillsborough Expressway Authority. THEA. Good morning, council Chair Clendenin and members of the council. For the record, my name is Greg Slater. Im the executive director of the Tampa/hillsborough Expressway Authority. Come to you this morning first following the two toughest acts ive ever had to follow with the two amazing young men and mr. Donalds trip. But I want to give you an update this morning on our south selmon Reconstruction project. We have to reconstruct the entire south half of the Lee roy selmon expressway. I want to give you a kind of sense of what our Community outreach plan is for that construction and introduce some of our Team in case you have questions from either your offices or your constituents. First, a little bit about THEA. We are an independent special district of the State of Florida. So We report to a board of directors of seven. We generate our revenue off of the Lee roy selmon expressway. We own, operate, and manage the Lee roy selmon greenway, the Lee roy selmon expressway, Meridian Avenue, And Brandon Parkway. A little bit about our project, its a 362 million dollar construction project 100% funded by the toll revenue off of the Lee roy selmon expressway. We dont take any tax dollars. All of that revenue comes in. We invest IT directly back into our Community rather than that money kind of going in other parts of the state and then coming back. Our project area is really from the Hillsborough River bridge, which is around the convention center, All The Way down To Gandy Boulevard. What were going to do is We are going to reconstruct all of that expressway, rebuild all of those bridges, including that Hillsborough River bridge by the convention center where the pendry construction is and all of that, the west riverwalk connection underneath there. Were going to redo all of the underpasses. Were going to construct everything within the existing right-of-way that We own today and then create some additional Community features. We awarded the construction project in September of this year of '25. Were in the design phase now getting ready to kind of get out there to start to see preliminary activity around the expressway, Surveyors, those types of things around the early spring, and then well get in there. We have an incentive in the contract today. $5 million incentive that they start in the downtown area by the convention center and then get out of downtown. We want to kind of minimize that disruption in downtown and be out of that area. So the benefits of the project today, youll see certainly increased traffic or increased improved flow. One of the things that We want to do is were going to add lanes in each direction. One Lane in each direction. IT will be on the inside of the expressway. A lot of that pavement is there. We have to close the gap in some of the bridges. We want to take the exit ramps and entrance ramps and make those merges a little bit bigger. When they originally constructed the expressway, the standards were much different. A lot of short merge areas on those sections so We want to make them a little bit safer and create better transitions into the neighborhoods when you get off of the expressway. We are going to alleviate some of that growth so that will minimize the cut-thru traffic. As We start to see congestion on the expressway, We start to see a ripple effect over on Bayshore, Dale Mabry, and some of those other areas. So We want to certainly keep the traffic on the expressway. Were going to create a signature bridge. Ive been poking at our Team a little bit, sick of watching Monday night football and seeing the sunshine skyway bridge. We need to show off downtown Tampa. So We need to have a bridge right there by the convention center that is really a focal point for what were doing. Well create a footprint for the latest and greatest safety technology and give US visibility to be able to react in real time, not only help integrate with the signal systems and technology like ai. But also visibility with camera systems and adaptability to improve the flow. Upgrade all of the stormwater management features along the expressway. We are going to be installing noise walls on all the residential areas throughout the south part of the expressway. We are going to enhance all of those underpasses. Underpasses today, 14 of them, were going to redo all of that, provide wide sidewalk infrastructure, pedestrian lighting, aesthetic features. Today, We have a lot of those features on the Hyde Park kind of area but well do that in all of those areas. And were really looking at some other areas that We can create Community-Based features, maybe history plaques and things like that. And then create the area, underpass at bay to bay where We have a lot more space, well have to store some construction equipment there for a little while, so when We get out of there, kind of give a thank-you to the Community. We have a plan in there go in and create two new dog Parks under there, recreational areas for the neighborhood. There was some pickleball courts. Well stick with that, but reengage with the Community in a couple of years to make sure they still want the pickleball courts and work through that. Community engagement to understand what the Community wanted there. Really what they wanted was open area recreational space. Well reengage them. A lot of new residents in the area, so We want to make sure that were going back to them in two, three years before We start that construction to make sure they are still getting what they want. We have a really in-depth Community outreach plan. Weve been focused on kind of reaching out to the neighbors. Really connecting with the Homeowners Associations. A lot of the groups around the area. Were going to do a Community open house. As We start getting into some of those areas, just kind of being out there and canvassing, just trying to connect with the neighborhoods, knocking on doors, those types of things so they understand. The challenge given the Team, want the Community two steps ahead of the construction. When they start to see things happening, they know exactly what IT is and our Team will be out there and engaged the entire time. We have two main points of contact. Brian Mcelroy, an amazing young engineer that works on our Team. He will be our project manager. And then We have Laura Crouch. Some of you May know her from her days working at TECO. But she will be our really point person for Community outreach. And, of course, all of you that have worked with me in the past, I am always accessible if you need something from me at all. With that, I will take a pause. Im happy to answer any questions that you May have. And continue to have dialogue about the project as We start to make some improvements.

10:00:02AM Say on behalf of the City Of Tampa and people who are listening that dont know you and dont know your work on the expressway authority, we are so lucky to have your leadership in the City Of Tampa and what you bring to the City Of Tampa. These are the things that you dont have to have the type of in-depth involvement. This is good leadership, and we are so lucky to have you guiding this project Along The Way. I saw Councilwoman Hurtak and Councilman Carlson.

Lynn Hurtak

10:00:26AM Thank you for this. Thank you for coming forward. Thank you for talking about the plan youre going to have. So important for the residents. I dont want to speak for all my colleagues, but I do sort of. Add US to the e-mail list. Dont wait for US to ask. Go ahead and add US. Feel free to add US -- I mean, just send US all the information when you are having the meetings. If nothing else, we just know about IT. Personally I always err on the side of more information, so I love that. I do want you also, I know its sort of part of this project, if you could talk a little bit about whats going to go on with the Selmon Greenway downtown. Just briefly. Thats really exciting, and I want the public to really know, not only are we getting some benefits in South Tampa to some of the underpasses, its really coming downtown as well. Really re-envisioning what an urban expressway can be. We laid out a master plan along the Lee Roy Selmon Greenway, which is about a two mile, mile and a half, two mile bike and pedestrian greenway through downtown, but there is a lot of space around IT underneath of IT. Several years ago, were actually coming up on the anniversary of the officers death next week, we built a dog park in channelside. And there are 24 hours a day, there are people in the dog park. One, its shaded. Two, its lit. We provide some amenities there. So parking. They can get there. What we want to do, we saw that as a real opportunity to really grow our footprint. What we have done is laid out a master plan for a series of Parks, community spaces. Weve got pickleball courts to even places where you can have public meetings outside. Enhanced stormwater management features. For instance, downtown next to Tampa union station, there is this old stormwater management pond on the back. Weve got a plan, 12th street park, to redevelop all of that, create that more of a water feature with a boardwalk around there, connect all of those park spaces All The Way to 12th street, transitioning into Gasworx and then ybor harbor, same thing, community spaces feeding into that. Downtown, weve got a section by camels that were redeveloping, around the Lee roy selmon statue. And then we worked with Embarc Collective, for instance. Went in and spoke to that group about what they would like to see in that area back behind their offices. They said they would like to see quiet spaces where they can walk and hear some White noise a little bit and try and think. What were trying to do is create sections of community space in the different neighborhoods and sections that the expressway goes through and activate that space underneath of the expressway in an attempt to connect the communities on either side of IT to really activate what were seeing there.

10:03:13AM Thank you so much for your visionary leadership. We really appreciate you.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:17AM Councilman Carlson and Councilman Miranda.

Bill Carlson

10:03:20AM Yeah, and thank you for doing this, your colleagues to come out. Just to echo what Chair Clendenin said, you were the head of Maryland DOT. Or something. You were the head of all transportation in Maryland, not just an expressway. Ive been in this business for 30 years. Im a planner by trade. And so I ran Maryland State Highway, bwi, thurgood marshall airport, port of baltimore. Rail systems between baltimore and dc. On the board of directors for D.c. Metro and Baltimore Transit for many, many years.

10:03:55AM We are really lucky to have you there. You also sit on the tpo. Lucky to have you on that as well. You mentioned briefly the independence of expressway. I just want to reiterate to everybody about 15 or so years ago, Florida Department Of Transportation took over a bunch of these types of facilities in other cities, and then IT looked like they tried to do this about 15 years ago in Tampa. The business community, the community pushed back and said this is our money. We want to keep IT here. Dont want IT going somewhere else. Because of that, the expressway authority is still independent, which enables US to do things like that. They ended up getting the i-4 connector, but we were able to keep the rest of IT. I think we need to continue to be diligent about that, just like every ten years or so, Department of Defense threatens to do something with macdill, we always have to be mindful and appreciative of all the hard work thats come before US. Thank you for mentioning public engagement and thank you for getting Laura involved. Ive had a lot of conversation with her and you about this. Mostly IT all goes through my district, I think. And if I can help In Any Way with the neighborhoods, as my colleagues said, whatever information you have, please copy US. But as you go through the neighborhoods, im happy, if im available, to sit in any of the neighborhood meetings and help with the discussions. You hit the high points about stormwater, which was a concern in some areas, and you all have been helping with that like in the concordia area, but happy to sit in those meetings. One thing I want to remind you all, 1998, Ed Turanchik had a test of a commuter rail down the CSX track called the regiosprinter. There was a bus train stop at howard under your overpass, and then there was another one at bay to bay and macdill. And so as we discuss dog Parks and pickleball courts and all that, please reserve space for train stations because were going to get that within the next few years despite all the political challenges. And weve got to maintain that space. In South Tampa, other Than Your Road, we cant widen the roads. Neighbors dont want US to. Neighborhoods dont want US to. The only hope we have in the future of getting in and out quickly, besides your expansion, is to have some kind of rail going through there, so we need to make sure we continue that. Last question, I ride the selmon every day. When im trying to get here for the 5:00 meetings, last week or week before, we talked about congestion in downtown which im hoping the Mayor's Office will fix. People are very frustrated because IT gets backed up. Downtown events get backed up in half of South Tampa. Folks take the selmon, but the selmon starting around 3:30 until 6:00 or so gets backed up from Gandy really All The Way to ybor. Can you give US any hope about how to relieve that congestion? IT seems like this huge bottleneck around downtown. Is this going to open IT up so that people can flow freely? Keeping in mind there are people Coming From St. Pete and pinellas through South Tampa going on this as well. So we started to see over the last year those backups coming in. That is the success of downtown thats driving that destination trip. Theres really three projects, two of which are part of this one. The next one will be coming on the heels of that one. First, we have this south selmon project that will start. That is going to include a lot of technology, kind of traffic sensors, those types of things. On the heels of south selmon capacity, we have Our Whiting Street project. What The Whiting Street project is going to do, its going to remove the ramp over by Benchmark Arena. And its going to take that ramp and relocate IT over by Embarc Collective, kind of where the arena parking garage is, and its going to reconnect that grid across To Meridian Avenue, creating another east-west connection, along with walton and finley that Spp is constructing today. That new ramp accommodates 100% of that evening traffic thats coming in kind of as a destination. And then we also have this project that we call the Downtown Brain. Essentially equipping the system with the right intelligence and then interconnecting with the signal systems around IT to be able to relieve the flow as IT starts to trigger and sensor the traffic. For instance, if traffic starts to build and maybe one of the ramps starts to back up, then we can start extending some of those green times and push that traffic through a little bit.

10:08:26AM One last point, a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about downtown congestion, one of the problems is I personally coming out of The Water Street parking garage, I need to get back to South Tampa. All the direction that mobility and TPD giving is sending people north. But that means that people from South Tampa have to go up to 275, across, and then down Armenia or down dale mabry or somewhere to get back to South Tampa. IT doesnt make sense. So many times ive been signature on cumberland where the entrance to the expressway is like a hundred yards away and they Block The Road and I cant get. Can you please help US advocate for them to open that? Its ridiculous that the last time I was there, I had to go All The Way to Ybor City to your entrance on 22nd to be able to get back to South Tampa. IT took me more than an hour. I get complaints about this every day. They need to open up cumberland and let people on your ramp to get out. IT would be The Fastest Way for people in South Tampa to get out of there. Happy to take a look at that. Ive been a little bit of an advocate across the city that we all need to be thinking about a system and not just who owns what roads so we can all work together. That is a challenging entrance because IT is that left entrance anyway. So weve had more and more people that go up to kind Of Tampa Street and try and jump on there. But certainly happy to advocate for that.

Alan Clendenin

10:09:44AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:09:45AM Thank You very much, Sir. Im listening here and really appreciate everything You say and done. Things were built back when the selmon expressway according to what You have and population. Now youre thinking about tomorrow. Four words that guide me. Yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever. My problem with myself is not You folks. Youre trying to do the right thing. Giving the amenities of the expressway, so forth and so on. When I think out loud to myself that nobody can hear because IT is just within me. I tell myself, what in the hell are We doing? We have got to change our mode of transportation. First of all, your project is fine. Its wonderful. There is a need for IT today and maybe tomorrow. But what happens for the future? We cannot continue to expand expressways. We cannot continue to do things because they cause many defects to nature. One, pollution, and, two, the environmental water runoff that causes possibility more storm charge and more decline in the water saturating down to the ground and back to the aquifer. What im thinking of is We have to change that to something like the airport model has that moves people aboveground. You cannot go at ground level because the streets are all saturated and all youll do is cause more chaos. Im not an engineer. Im not bright. Im not smart. And I come from the Housing Projects. All those things that I know that im not, but what im trying to say is, if We dont think about yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever, that yesterday for tomorrow and forever are the two keys that We are not following up on. Were building for todays necessity, not forever. Unless We change the model of transportation, We will fail. Not only We, all of US will fail. Unless We change something for the environment, You dont have to worry about tomorrow and the future because there wont be one. Im not here to hound on You. I appreciate what youre doing, You and your staff, but I also think that were doing the --

Alan Clendenin

10:11:46AM President Miranda, IT is not Valentine's Day but whispering sweet love language in my ear advocating for Mass transit. Thank you. President Slater, always a pleasure. Thank you very much. Appreciate IT. Good presentation. Thank you for joining US in council chambers this morning. [ applause now we move to the main event. Public comment. Lets start with Michael Randolph. Is michael online? My friend Michael Randolph. My name is Michael Randolph. Im also from robles park. Todays presentation is persons. Comes from a real conversation with at-risk youth, who feel The Only Way out is crime and drugs. Our technology of wealth building and job creation center assists to change that by giving young people the tools and pathway to build wealth legally and safely. A core mission of the center is reducing crime by expanding real economic opportunity. Ai. Lets youth create their own critical digital product, replacing risky activities with real income. So youth can own their own choice. Globally, start microbusinesses at minimal cost and protect their worth. Young people facing barriers, this opens doors that never exist. Also financial literacy, and investing so young people learn to build wealth and not according to consumer habits. This is just the beginning. We are using ai. Web to transform stressed communities to stress-free communities where no one is left behind. We are facing an immediate challenge. Because of potential impact on our community, we have requested a dedicated session with the Planning Commission. And they agreed to meet with the West Tampa community virtually on February 20 at 5:30 pm. This meeting will shape our political voice and form representation. Residents who want to get an invite, please e-mail US at westtampacdcgmailcom. Finally, we must address the declining business -- report services low quality and inappropriate display. Our community deserves responsible businesses that uplift the community and strengthen neighborhoods. Thank you.

10:14:39AM Thank you, Michael. Next speaker is Mr. Briggs. Is Mr. Briggs on? How about Adrianne Rodriguez? Good morning, my friend. You have to unmute yourself. Good morning, Tampa City Council. A very happy birthday to Mr. Shelby. Im speaking today about the protection of sacred ground at the cemetery. There is a saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat IT. That warning feels especially relevant right now. Roughly four and a half decades ago, shopping centers were built at 2800 north macdill and 3115 and 3117 West Columbus Drive. I dont know who was on council at the time or exactly how those approvals are granted, but I do know the outcome. Construction occurred over unmarked graves. Marty section, inaccurate memorial marker On Columbus Drive states that the city owns both cemeteries. What remains visible today is colon cemetery but stands on land that once included marti as well. Eight years ago I joined this fight alongside community advocate Missy Martin when development threatened the rear portion of colon cemetery. Shes worked tirelessly to defend this sacred space three times in eight years. Thats three times too many. Now once again, the community finds itself fighting for the same ground. This is the third time in eight years that residents have had to mobilize to ensure respect for those buried here. That pattern is deeply concerning. Whats at stake is not just land. IT is a legacy. This cemetery holds the remains of people who built West Tampa, cigar workers, immigrants, Black and ground families whose labor shaped this citys history. The city that so many enjoy today. While I May not know who made the decision decades ago, I do know who holds responsibility today. I also want to speak frankly about Patrick Thorpe once viewed as a hero protecting the land he has now shown himself to be a traitor to the community. He intends to build on sacred ground and he did find a loophole that avoids any decision by City Council. He May have won a battle but he has not won the war. Perhaps he might learn something from Aileen who has raised her son to respect sacred ground, unlike the example thorpe is setting for his own children. The community respectfully asks that Tampa City Council intervene and pause all construction and utility work on this land until IT is 100% proven that there are no bodies present. Sacred ground deserves nothing less. Each of you has the power to ensure that past mistakes are not repeated. You also carry accountability that comes with public service, your constituents history and the dignity of those who came before US. Ill close with the Words Of Dr. Martin Luther King, jr. The time is always right to do what is right. The time is now, council, to protect sacred ground, to honor the community, and to make sure Tampa moves forward without repeating the harms of the past.

10:17:57AM Thank you, ms. Rodriguez. Thank you. Have a beautiful day.

10:18:00AM That concludes online public comment. Were moving to in-person. The first speaker will be Pamela Cannella. The first group of speakers will be for items on the agenda. Item 54 and 3. Followed by Michelle. Good morning, pam. Start with your name, you have three minutes. Good morning. My name is Pam Cannella. Almost two years later and the neighborhoods are still concerned with the lack of maintenance and the fear of flooding again. Nothing much has changed. Palmira ditch is still in need of cleaning, excavating because the soil erosion restricting stormwater flow needs a more permanent fix. I started reporting this in 2015. You can see right here, this is the only flow thats going through. There are many -- well, storm drains are still filled -- whoops, excuse me. Storm drains are still filled with leafs, trash, and asphalt. The Stormwater Department still lacking in manpower? There are many storm inlets that are crumbling, have not been addressed in SIX years or longer, still waiting. For two years, ive asked for AMI hospital pond to be addressed and cleaned. Conflicting answers as to whether the pump is working. Mobility department told SWFWMD. IT was, and the whole system was working because I asked SWFWMD. They said everything is working just fine. Yet Stormwater Management just drained the pond January 12, 2026 and inspected IT. Still waiting on trash and sediment and muck to be cleaned out. I dont think the City Of Tampa, especially South Tampa, is ready for the fast approaching rainy and hurricane season. Palma Ceia pines on that pump and pond drainage system is needed to prevent flooding, not the Howard Project. Engineers on the Howard Project have not done their due diligence. Here is a map of that area. And you can see all the lines that show where the drainage comes to audubon. So if they put a 10 by 12 culvert, box culvert on audubon to that -- to the hospital pond, this is all going to be blocked. This whole drainage thats from horatio north and Armenia to the community there, and this vault right there. Engineers on this pond did not know about audubon. They thought all areas were connected to the hospital pond system. Where is the due diligence? The eagerness to push this Howard Project even through, even though there is no funding, no transparency, and a haphazard plan that is lacking the necessary elements for success has now left Palma Ceia pines and parkland estates facing another year of fear and possible flooding. Thank you.

10:21:39AM Thank you. Next speaker is Michelle Mastrototaro. The next speaker will be Larry Duke. Happy birthday. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. Im here talking about stormwater and lack of maintenance. I had put in a request in 2024, and its still an open ticket. This is the one that I just did. They never came out yesterday. My system doesnt work going out to the ocean. My system works because George Cox built this system. IT goes out to a pond that goes over here, and the pond is filled to the brim. They are all getting filled. There is a pond. There is a big -- there is this pond right here that a couch was put in. This is what im dealing with. These are our retention ponds. This is back in 2020 when they re-did The Road to reroute IT because of the apartments. This is what we got now. And this is the opening. That little opening that goes right to a pole. They need to fix this. This is sad. We need help in our area. This area has been so neglected for 15 plus years. Here is the pond right here. And IT is filled to the brim. This system should be working. I spoke to George Cox. That is the pond. IT is full to the brim. Its not going out and its not coming in. They are half full of dirt. They have not been maintained. Full of rocks. South sherill needs help. I cant go through another hurricane. I would lose everything. I want to know also how those apartments were ae flood zone and IT turned to an x. They built up flooding US out on each side. I need answers, and they say I had seven feet -- seven feet in my home. I lost everything. Please, when youre thinking about overbuilding in south of Gandy, think about US. I pay taxes. I pay taxes for people that I dont have a drainage. Im paying for people that are north of Gandy or nearby. I have nothing. And I need help. I really need you guys to help US.

10:25:01AM The next speaker is Larry Duke. Speaking on agenda item, doesnt say which one. Chairman Robert Sherman will be next after Larry. Larry Duke. Is Larry in the room? Good morning, mr. Duke.

10:25:34AM Its one at a time. Did you submit a card? Are you Sherman? Larry Duke and Robert James. We both submitted cards.

10:25:48AM Start with your name. If you remember, we were here two weeks ago. We talked about this urgent project that we were presenting to the city as a no-cost deployment to the city. We talked about Mayor Castor's problems with the achilles' heel of Tampa and how we want to solve those problems.

10:26:27AM Can you stop for a second? Is this an agenda item?

10:26:33AM Larry had, yes, agenda. Ill ask you all to stay seated and then come up after. Thank you. Sorry about that. The next speaker is Robert Sherman. Followed by Johnny Johnson. People who want to speak to agenda items go first. People who dont want to speak to agenda items come second. Chairman, followed by Johnny Johnson.

10:27:18AM Almost.

10:27:22AM Start with your name, please. Panther Party. We are here to discuss, and IT is ironic that we are here to discuss the enforcement of laws because the product of two young men is what were trying to protect with these communities. We have stores that are just disregarding the law. If you read 8470125, IT completely says they are not allowed to sell, distribute, or public display sexual toys or drug paraphernalia. Now, as soon as you walk in these stores, this is the first thing that you see, and everybody look at this and say, oh, you know what, these are big problems to things going on out there. Every penny adds up to a dollar. Every penny adds up to a dollar. So if we want to talk about producing young Men The Way weve been having stood up here today, we need to protect our youth. We need to start encouraging people to abide by the law. The Panthers are here to say were here demanding that the law be enforced, not what we assume, not what we personally feel, but what we assume is the law. Then when you go assuming, that means you really dont know. But here is the law. Were reading IT. IT is defined. IT gives definition of what needs to be done, what should be done, what should be upheld and what are the penalties. If I go out there and break a law right now, I face the penalties. So why they are being able to buck the law and do as they please? No. If you want to a sex toy, you go to a sex store where its 18 and older. This is what is described in the law. No convenience store is supposed to be selling sex toys or drug paraphernalia in IT. I refuse. I bet you cant go on davis island and find IT. So why can we go in my community and find IT in every corner store around. Why is that? If we really about our youth and about our future, we need to effectively target this asap. I really mean this and tell you all and I say this to you all, united we stand, divided we fall. All power to the people.

Audience

10:29:58AM All power to the people.

Alan Clendenin

10:29:59AM Everybody, so this is not like a respond. We listen to public comment. Everybody just respectfully listens. We dont clap, applaud, respond back. I get IT. Thats not what happens in Council. I assume you are Johnny Johnson followed by Steve Michelini. My name is Johnny Johnson. Im down here to speak on item 60. Located at 4330 north 40th street, name of the store is silver dollar to be specific. Im down here to speak as a concerned citizen. I stay just two blocks east of the store. Im down here to speak on ethical and moral values. The definition of moral is related to the principle of right and wrong. For this store to have sex toys where kids shop and visible is very unethical. Moral is defined as the conduct. The store conduct is very unacceptable. Synonym for moral, decent, ethical, right-minded, righteous. The behavior expected of our community stores are high as to provide a righteous And Safe Place to shop, that has general customer service and moral respect for all customers. The right thing is to remove all unethical items out of moral respect. Just to remember, not everything We face We can change. We cant change nothing until We face IT. Lets not let our kids down. Lets do the right thing. Were in a position to do something great, make changes when our society is so filled with chaos. Nothing get solved in chaos. Again, enforce the laws because where I come from We know the laws by heart. Thats why were standing up trying to make sure that everyone follow the law. Thank you.

10:32:09AM Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

Bill Carlson

10:32:13AM Can I say something real fast? Mr. Johnson, in the hallway, he was telling me, you all remember that one of his sons passed away from gun violence but he was telling me in the hallway that another son has been seriously ill the last few months. I want to ask everybody to please pray for him. I am the vice president of a Local Organization rise up for peace. Ive been diligently fighting in the community for rights and equal values for US all for the last going on ten years, January 27, ten years that I lost my son to senseless gun violence, sadly to the stand your ground. I was dealt another blow. Thats why I took all of '25 off from the organization and not being in the community because I found out another one of my son had a brain tumor. The last two years, weve been taking chemotherapy every Monday at john hopkins hospital fight with my son to save his life. Amongst all the things that we cannot control in our society, this one thing we can control. So I look for these small wins as inspiration to keep fighting. Again, I ask that you guys do the right thing because there are a lot of things dealing with. So many variables that we cant control in our community. This one thing we can. So lets do that. I appreciate that, Mr. Carlson.

Alan Clendenin

10:33:39AM Steve Michelini, followed by Carroll Ann Bennett. Your three minutes has already started. [ laughter Steve Michelini. You all received an e-mail regarding stormwater issues, and IT included backup material which clearly shows that the city is not receiving $25 million. They were denied this prior to your meeting a few weeks ago and they knew IT. They also did not receive the $25 million from SWFWMD., And they have known about that for over SIX months. IT keeps showing up on your budget as pending. Its not pending. The denial letters are included in the documents that we submitted to you. This raises serious questions about transparency and accountability. And you are leading people by continuing to do that to believe that somehow this budget is nearly fully funded. Its not. Its time for them to start telling you exactly what the truth is and not hide behind these, well, maybe well apply for this, maybe well apply for that. The money is not there. This project has escalated in costs. They tell you one number in private and then when you come up and you ask them for that number in public, they dont have IT, and its amnesia. Over the past several months, the public has been subject to contradictory statements regarding this project, that this is included. Theres never a discussion about full and aggressive maintenance, which is the first step and should always be the first step in getting this issue under control. Bypassing this system and creating a new system is going to create more havoc, more destruction, more disruption, and become more expensive as we go along. Were now admittedly at a hundred million dollars project and privately they are saying IT will cost another 60 something million dollars to add Palma Ceia pines. That is 160 some million dollars. They dont have the $50 million. They just transferred $20 million into the account, and thats probably the most of the extent of whats there. I would urge you to look through the documents. Weve given you backup documents in the e-mail from De La Parte and Gilbert, as well as a statement from individual members of the City Staff who have said, ignore the facts, look at the photographs. To me -- and youve said before, the council has indicated, show me the engineering. The engineering is there. These other agencies have said you do not qualify. This project costs too much for what the benefits are. I urge you to look at that and respond accordingly. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them.

10:36:44AM Carroll Ann Bennett followed by Daryl Hych. I just recently had a meeting with Chief Bennett. IT was a wonderful meeting. I feel like we made a lot of progress. I acknowledged the Water Department did nothing wrong when they plan type three trees but we were very worried about the precedent IT set. Chief has assured me that the lesson has been learned and going forward thats not going to happen again. Its very important. We discussed several important things. One of the most important was that Tampa increased its budget for trees almost 700 municipalities have higher budgets than we do proportionately, and thats in a City Of Tampa report. So I look forward to working with the Chief on the FY '27 budget and supporting his proposal. One of the things we talked about was finally making tree cutters responsible for illegally removing trees. They are professionals. They make a living. Most people will remove a tree once in their lifetime. They dont know the rules. We recently had a citizen who followed the rules, hired someone. In the contract IT said would pull the permits and then all of a sudden a Code Enforcement violation and a huge fine. They gave the contract to the city and said this is the guy who cut the trees. He said he was getting a permit. And they still havent fined the tree cutter. We were promised two years ago by JC Hudgison and Whit Remer that would happen. Chief has assured me were going to fix that problem. One of the other things we talked about a little bit and I think its very important is the reporting on the trees. This is reporting thats required by the code. So this is a powerpoint that was presented by Staff in November. And one of the reports that weve been asking for, they said was complete, but we dont have a copy of that. Ive asked for IT and I cant get IT. We would really like to get that. Another issue on the reporting -- this is also from staffs powerpoint in October point they said that they spent 151,000 out of the Central Tampa Tree Fund, that is the New Tree Fund and specific reporting requirements on how money is spent out of the New Tree Fund. I would like to see a report on that, too. Anyhow, like I said, IT was a great meeting. I agree with the chiefs proposal that you go ahead and pay for the -- reimburse the Water Department for the pipes program out of the Tree Fund this one time, and from now on we do better. And postpone the motion on limiting and not using Tree Fund money for type three trees until after the tree workshop. Thank you very much. Thank you, Chief.

10:39:37AM Darryl, followed by Alison Hewitt. Daryl Hych. I want to talk about item number 34. My presentation just disappeared off my phone. Item 34 the Economic Development Council is asking for $1.2 Million from the city to provide -- for the services that they provided. I posed a question on their powerpoint that they have. The powerpoint that they are presenting, they said that the average income that a person has received from the jobs that they brought in is $88,000 a year. Ive been here for about ten years, and I havent met one person In My Circle that has said they have gotten hired at $88,000 or more. What I see is they are doing a dog and pony deal. They are bringing in organizations and corporations from outside of the city -- New York, California, Massachusetts -- who have high-income earners, and they are bringing their staff down here and they are the ones who are maintaining that median of $88,000. So I really ask that you really consider that because no one in the population in the circles I move in have ever been paid $88,000 at an average about 50,000. So thats one thing. Secondly, I went into a meeting about three weeks ago for two weeks in a row with the Equal Business Opportunity Advisory Committee. Let me say that one more time. Equal Business Community Advisory Committee. This is a committee that is designed to talk about how they certify the different businesses and how businesses receive procurement funds throughout the city. Advisory Committee. They are to advise and present before council here shortly some information on how they believe businesses should receive procurement in terms of funding and how they do business with the city. My question that I have to ask is what is so different from that committee than the Racial Reconciliation Committee that was designed and canceled in September 2025 when the City Attorney told US that we could no longer based upon -- I just want for your reading pleasure, because I thought that was very disenchanting that she would say after careful consideration of the policy changes outlined in the presidents executive order, we cannot continue with this process. Whats the difference? Equal Business Opportunity Advisory Committee, they are giving advice on how they want things to be done. We were given advice on how we wanted things to be done. How in the football are they able to continue to say Black, Hispanic, Asian, lgbtq, its all in the report they will be rendering to you. I really ask that you consider that because something dont smell right. IT doesnt smell right. Thank you.

10:42:45AM Thank you, Daryl. Alison Hewitt followed by Connie Burton. Alison Hewitt. East Tampa resident and business owner. I want to speak similar to Daryl, item 34, the Edc. When we have grants in East Tampa for $10,000, you have to submit your receipts. You have to submit pictures. You have to submit just everything. When we are looking at this report for $1.176 Million, where is the documentation for the jobs that they created? Where is the definition of whether they created a job here or did they bring the jobs down? When I worked in Manatee County, they had actually forms that they had the companies fill out for the definition of the jobs. Now, since then, Manatee County has ended their contract with the Edc because they could not track whether or not this was not elevating gentrification by bringing more people in and not helping there. Also, they did -- they, the Edc did an industrial report in East Tampa. That has not been distributed publicly or what the plan is to help the industrial portion of the East Tampa CRA. What did come out of IT is they applied for $9 million for affordable housing, but how do we make sure our industrial area in East Tampa CRA are going to be able to help create jobs and actually to beautify that neighborhood. The next item I would like to talk to you about, this is more primarily to the administration. Sheltered markets are still alive and well for the contracts they are able to do for small businesses. Since we no longer have the minority or the Hispanic small business set-asides, if we can maybe do more advertisement of the shelter market opportunities to make sure that our smaller local businesses know and are aware and how to participate in the shelter market because there are a significant amount of shelter markets out there. But if you look at the reports of the businesses that get those contracts, they are pretty much the same. They are not really diverse. So if we had to not do this, and we already had shelter markets, can we put money in to go out and have the Business Navigator be able to tell the small businesses out there that we have shelter markets out there and should go after those contracts as well? Thank you.

10:45:20AM Fyi, probably 40, 45 minutes left of public comment. Connie Burton followed by Bishop Michelle B. Patty. I want to first thank you for the presentation of those young men this morning because I could hear my life story. College Hill Projects All The Way to robles park village. Life learning examples that if given the opportunity what young people can do, 2019, I made my return to Ghana. I really want to bring attention to the life work of Reverend Jesse Jackson that we just lost. His mentor was 12 years older than him, yet he lived 45 years Older Than Dr. King, living through Jim Crow, having to develop policies that we can still see in action today, but some are under attack. So Reverend Jesse's simple statement that I am somebody, we are beginning now to feel that in the air inside of our community, being able to stand up to power, and making demands in what we truly feel that has been disrespected toward the African Community. Item number 10. Good intentions, I dont trust none of IT. We have too many surveillance cameras already inside of the African Community. Item 10 might start off with good intentions, but where would that data go? Who is going to be in charge of making sure, start off we are doing IT for the protection of schools, security, and people that driving too fast. But im looking at cameras now already being installed inside of our community. Item number 34, youve heard IT, just because -- and let me just say this to mostly the White council people thats there, just because somebody say they are representing the interests of poor and impoverished community and we are not able to eat. We are not benefiting from IT, dont be fooled by IT. You should be asking for the receipts for the longevity that this organization has Been In Place. How has IT helped the impoverished community? Item number 57, outside of the mayors office and maybe fire departments and paramedics, nobody in this city organization should deny young people from having that experience through the summer job work program. We ask for 70 jobs. We expect to see 70 jobs or more. This city has the money to do IT. We are all taxpayers. We want to see just like those young men able to present themselves this morning, we believe that we have 70 more in our community can do the same thing. Thank you.

10:48:26AM Thank you, Ms. Burton. Bishop michelle b. Patty followed by rick. Valerie. Go ahead. Valerie, you want to go next? Go ahead. Its how they pull them out of the box. Good morning, council members. My name is Valerie Bullock from ponce de leon and college hill. I would like to thank the councilwoman Naya Young for representing shakur and carnell. I felt so much pride in the room. Like Angie said, our goal wasnt to grow up and sell drugs and go to prison. Some of US learn and we are here standing proud today. I want to talk about number 34, the Economic Development Commission. They sure get a lot of money, but IT never makes IT to my neighborhood. I havent seen any economic development on 29th, 34th, 40th or 22nd street. And I say, say no to giving them the money. I look at where the Tampa port is at. I look at where East Tampa is at. Out of all the neighborhoods, we got the most lots that industrial, not lots, and IT would be logistically correct for Edc to promote manufacturing, warehousing, distribution centers in our neighborhood. They unload the cargo off the ships at the dock. They can take IT to East Tampa to the manufacturing warehouse, and we know IT wont be a hundred thousand dollar a year job, but IT will be a job, and we have to start somewhere. We would like to work, live, and play in East Tampa. I like to walk down 29th street to the new warehouse, clock in and do some work and go home and get off of work, go to the liquor store and get me a bottle of wine. Everybody else want to live, work, and play in they neighborhood. We want to live, work and play in our neighborhood also. I would like to see manufacturing plants The Same Way they got in touch with the Tech Company and paid the Tech Company to move down here and brought their people, IT will be less cheaper. You have Amazon. Okay, lets put one right there On Columbus Drive. That is the industrial area. Lets bring in a solar manufacturing plant. These jobs with these centers will offer entry paying positions. That means you can come in Off The Street and well teach ya, and you can learn and work right there. And that would be good because downtown Tampa had a straz. Channelside have the aquarium. And Ybor City had a strip. We have nothing but vacant land. And Edc want millions, give IT to them and earmark IT for East Tampa. And for the summer youth program, please, please, please lets get 70 plus students. Last year, we had people from davis island, Plant City, and riverview, but East Tampa CRA was doing the funding. IT shouldnt be like that. IT should be first come, first served. Oh, what about the background? 14 years old, why are we worried about a background check. First come, first served. Thank you all very much.

10:51:59AM Bishop Michelle B. Patty followed by Rick Pfeiffer.

Luis Viera

10:52:06AM Chief Bennett, can I ask you a question outside really fast?

Alan Clendenin

10:52:11AM I have to start going by the cards. Otherwise im afraid I will be picking through paper. My name is Bishop Michelle B. Patty. On the February the 4th of this month, Chad Chronister, our sheriff, arrested a 14-year-old child for having guns. But what was most disturbing, the fact that he had sex paraphernalia videos on his computer that depicted children having sex with whomever. Talking about toddlers and babies. Also, on that same day, later on, we know he had guns. On November the 6th, Chad Chronister, the sheriff, he raided all these convenience stores out in the East Tampa community that was selling guns, drugs, sex toys, the whole nine yards. We see that the $7 store, that was raided, was shut down for a few hours. Around that perimeter, theres 132 registered sex offenders that is there, thats on the website of the FDLE. What were here saying, the statute has spoken loudly, that there should be an ordinance done by the city to make sure that the sex toys and drug paraphernalia and different things in these stores, convenience stores be removed. So thats why these people have come. We the community is standing firm that you all should make today, make an ordinance to give some teeth to our Police Department so they can go in and do their job. One of the things that sheriff chronister said, when convenience stores turn into criminal enterprise selling poison instead of products, you will be found shut down and held fully accountable. Our deputies will continue to dismantle every operation that prioritize profit over the safety of the Hillsborough County citizens. These stores is a nuisance. Our youth are being -- they are being exposed to sexual things that they should not be exposed to. Florida is the third in the nation, the third in the nation for sex trafficking. You wonder why we have so many issues out in East Tampa when you allow these convenience stores, right there from the counter to sell drugs or go in there, they have all these drug paraphernalia. They are doing everything, and IT is documented. The Sheriff's Department has done their due diligence to raid these places. Now were saying the city, what is wrong with the Tampa Police Department when we made calls for them to come out and do their job. They told US to go to Code Enforcement. Code Enforcement told US to go to the health department when clearly the statute reads that each municipality is supposed to create their own ordinance. And we want an ordinance with teeth in IT to deal with this issue. This shouldnt even be an issue. IT should be dealt with. But because IT is in the predominant East Tampa area, no one seems to care. What we the people, we care, and were speaking boldly this morning that IT be done. Thank you.

10:55:27AM Thank you, Bishop. This will be the order -- there are four speakers on on-agenda items. Rick Pfeiffer -- [inaudible] Rick Pfeiffer, 1408 hanna. Im here about item number 10, the cameras, which obviously you probably all got my e-mail because I was cranky about IT. We see whats happened in los angeles, in chicago. We see whats happened across occupied minneapolis and indeed the entire state of Minnesota. What we see has begun in portland, Maine. Weve been told springfield Ohio will be next because Trump claimed haitian immigrants were eating peoples dogs. Now you want to use tax dollars to surveil everyone that passes near a school 24/7/365. Stop. Ive been told IT is illegal to use these Cameras That Way. And in the documents that Mr. Carlson sent me yesterday, I went looking through IT. Well, down there under the Florida statute -- title 23 where IT deals with regulations in school zones, down under 15a, that last line in 15a is really good. IT appears to contain a caveat able to fill a detention center as IT expressly states those cameras can be used for purposes of determining criminal or civil liability for incidents captured by the speed detection system incidental to the permissible use of the detection system. That sounds like a real big giant loophole that some attorney is going to exploit. IT sounds like a work-around for an organization that seems hell-bent on lying to the public and acting as judge, jury, and executioner. For nearly 250 years, legitimate law enforcement has not hidden their face from the public. Who hides their faces? Historically, thats been the Klan, Militia Cooks and now a bunch of unvetted thugs ripping a page out of the playbook of Nazis used to create chaos in the republic of Germany. Kidnapping, disappearing, executing, spying and lying. Why are we merrily going along with erecting a surveillance state like Cuba, China, russia, and other authoritarian countries? No to these cameras. No to cooperating with ice. We built a monster after 9/11 in the form of the Department of Homeland Security. We thought we were purchasing safety. Well, our bureaucratic frankenstein is now marching through our bill of rights. If you dont know what each of the bill of rights say, I suggest you go back and read the words of Mr. Madison actually penned in there and not what ai. Tells you. Read what they are doing. Our leaders, you need to recall the wise words of Benjamin Franklin, you have a republic if you can keep IT and those that give up security -- liberty.

10:59:02AM Thank you. Greg, are you in the audience? Are you on an agenda item? Good morning. Greg Parks. Here on item 10. I am with red speed. We are the proposed vendor for the citys contract. Weve had the contract with --

10:59:21AM Are you -- im sorry. Go ahead, Sir. I wanted to address the issues that have arisen. We serve about 50 communities in Florida. About 70 in Georgia with school zone safety cameras. There is no taxpayer expense. They are 100% funded by violators. Weve had the contract with the county for some time now. Speeding is down 90%, less than 10% of the people get a second ticket. Its a very successful program. Its dramatically improved safety in all these communities We serve. Those results are consistent. And there are no Flock Alprs. We have no relationship with ice. Were simply in the school safety business. I wanted to clear up any misconception and let you know that I am here if need be.

11:00:20AM Very good. Thank you, sir. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

11:00:22AM City Council Attorney. Just a reminder, unless im wrong, please do correct me. I believe number 10 is still on the consent docket and has not been pulled for discussion by council. Pulled for comment, but not necessarily discussion.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:36AM Right.

Martin Shelby

11:00:41AM Its not been removed from the consent agenda and not removed for the staff report. I dont know whether You intend to stop the agenda to take up item 10 for full discussion or just comment and move on.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:55AM We will get there when we get there. John Green followed by Stephanie Poynor. John Greene. I want to start with a question. How often do you walk into a convenience store or a grocery store in your district and see sex toys on display? If you did see them, what would be your immediate reaction, thoughts, response if you had any of your relatives who are kids with you. Some of my facts that I noticed, sex toys are being sold in these stores, and we have provided you evidence of pictures that was taken in the stores. Number two, one store removed the items immediately. Another said that IT was approved by the city. The Police and other government agencies to sell them. Our question, was IT a prior problem for them to get that approval? Im just asking the question. There is confusion on what departments or agencies handle these complaints when a constituent in your district is called to complain, who can one call and where can we make these complaints? Four, Florida statute 847011 is clear on obscene materials. And this should -- and IT also speaks to knowingly selling and advertising. These stores, just to name a couple. Fifth. Most importantly, our children should be able to walk into any convenience store, local grocery store knowing that its free of sex and drug paraphernalia. All we are asking for is respect and dignity. For our children in the community. I want to thank you in advance for considering the issue in creating a pathway for Us Adults to save our babies' minds.

11:03:10AM Thank you, Mr. Greene. Stephanie Poynor followed by Ashley Morrow. Stephanie Poynor.

11:03:24AM You have 66 agenda items. And you say you want to speak to all of them. I would like to start with this. This powerpoint page is vague at best. You want a million dollars from the citizens of the City Of Tampa, I want to know, lets see, this contract, what 44 jobs, what companies came here? Im sorry, what were the 44 projects. I hope like heck they are not in sog. The jobs in line -- where are they in the occupational outlook hand book which is produced by the Department Of Labor. IT is a really great thing to learn from. But this is vague at best. I really kind of have some issues with IT. I didnt really have issues with the thing. Special events, the audit came back, but ID like to see a special events line item in the budget from now on so that we can keep up with where all the money is coming from, IT seems like IT is coming from a whole lot of different departments without a whole lot of tracking. I looked at this -- I deferred to Carroll Ann on all things tree on a regular basis. I looked at the tree list the other day, 51 types of trees on here, but half of them are type 3 trees which are poop trees. Crappy trees, not good trees. Why do we have a list of type one and two that arent as big as the three all by themselves. So I echo everything else that Carroll Ann said. We met with Chief Bennett, had a good meeting about that. I support the Water Department getting their funds for this one project ever. The sidewalk in lieu of fees on number 48 that -- oh, we dont touch other sidewalks. Well, eventually you will. Eventually you will. As I was handing out palm cards this week, I noticed all the sidewalks that started to connect with one another. Number 10, if the school cameras are only for schools, I dont have a problem with IT. But if Flock is in the contract, and they do what IT says per the contract, then we need to have that removed from the contract, no ifs, ands or buts about IT. I dont know whether well get to talk on the Code Enforcement board. I highly support ms. Fran Tate. I dont know any of the other candidates personally. But I know that she would be fair and equitable in the decisions that she makes dealing with neighbors having problems with their property. And if in doubt, if you want to know what I said, you can check out my new website that Michael Bishop made for me. IT is poynor agendareview. And read what I have to say about City Council's agenda every week. I highlight the most important stuff in wonderful, beautiful colors. We have started a new show on Monday nights at 6:30 called the agenda. And Mr. Hych went home to upload to Youtube so you will be able to watch IT later starting today. Thank you.

11:06:30AM Ashley Morrow followed by Lucilene James. My name is Ashley Morrow, and I will be sharing tampas Black history. I want to continue where I left off with Nancy Ashley's will. In 1872, she writes that she wants a respectable burial, and she leaves her belongings to Solomon Stanton, one of the trustees of Beulah Baptist institutional church. And she also leaves IT to her nieces. I believe Nancy deserves recognition not tied to her enslaver William Ashley but as one of the earliest Black women in Tampa whose words were recorded. After emancipation in 1870, since this record shows, Nancy stays with William and is listed as his cook, some people interpret that as devotion, but there are many reasons a formerly enslaved Black woman would stay. For one, she was already economically positioned through his will he wrote in 1857. Her alternate was being -- her alternate was living in poverty. So nobody wants that. Staying was not romance. IT was survival. William dies in 1871. Nancy dies two years later, 1873. IT is not lost on me that Nancy waits until after his death to write her own will. Now theres been rumors that Nancy was secretly buried next to William but the records show that there were actually receipts for her coffin, ribbons, newspaper ads going out looking for her heirs, which is highlighted here. Nancys estate passes to Solomon Stanton and one of the trustees of Beulah Baptist. After a while, there is silence. And the silence matters. Because its not until the 1820s that all of this racial violence starts -- well, IT was already going. IT really revs up because the kkk really pumps up in 1920s. At the same time, the Florida land boom collapses in 1926. Tourism is really important in Tampa, even until today. And there is a bus in 1926, as I was saying, and also a lot of racial violence going on in the 1920s. These are all from the Equal Justice Initiative, and there are SIX here, but there are many more, and there were multiple deaths in each of these. You all can look them up yourselves. The massacres, White mob lynchings. 1929, two newspaper articles distancing Tampa from lynching violence in surrounding counties. Tampa is positioning itself as a safe modern respectable space and conveniently we see another 1929 article, this is the first mention of the couple she was her slave and he loved her. Love story appears and all of a sudden we are all good and Tampa is an amazing space. We know we make up stories like pirates for gasparilla.

11:09:39AM Thank you, Ashley. We dont have real pirates? [ laughter

11:09:50AM Arghh. Lucilene James.

11:09:57AM We are on the non-agenda items now. Robert James. Okay. One at a time. Start with your name, please. Thank you so much for having US. We were here two weeks ago. Like I said, We were talking about the urgent project and all the benefits and Mayor Castor's achilles' heel that she expressed with transportation and how We can solve those problems. We talked about the technology. We talked about the immediate benefits that We can give to the city with their fleets and the other deployments weve done, the connected vehicle pilot that was done and how well expand that a thousand times by actually being able to deploy IT citywide. This is our team. So I just wanted to follow up from what We presented there with where We are at right now. IT was great that you had the heroes at the beginning of the session. I think those boys were incredible what they did saving lives. I just wanted to give all you guys a chance to be heroes like them. This is what were here for, here to save lives. Just taking a look at which one of your loved ones might be part of this. Two weeks have gone by. Three fatalities and 92 crashes could be prevented with this technology for every two weeks that goes by that We address here. We really see that this is a life saving technology that We can help you guys incorporate. Again, immediate benefits, We can put this app on your fleet vehicles, and all the Residents can have this app. Right now, were showing on the left, We got no data. Once We get data, We can start showing you exactly what speeds to go to, to hit the green light to improve fuel efficiency. Pedestrians that are in that right-of-way, be able to alert you, when non-line of sight, when you cant see behind a truck, you can still detect a pedestrian with this technology. We just wanted to share that with you and update you that We really encourage you to continue in the efforts youre doing to save lives and just We are here to help you. Again, my other colleagues will talk about other benefits of the program as well. Thank you.

11:12:11AM Very good. Ms. James. Larry, you want to go next. Im Larry Duke. I wanted to just piggyback on what robert just said. We have saving lives obviously as one of the huge advantages of the product. I want to talk about two major points here. The first one is, our solution will save the city 12 to 18 million dollars annually. So ive heard a lot about today in this meeting about different things that could use some money to help. Obviously, this isnt going to take care of everything. But its a huge start. And the second point is this. We will fully deploy and maintain this solution at no cost to the city. Here is your 12 million. Just let US get to work. Let US start saving lives. Thats one of the biggest things, right? Heres some of the data driven benchmarks, the key sources that were using. The City Of Tampa fleet data has 38 hundred and 87 vehicles. Hillsborough County crash statistics indicate 27 to 28 thousand total annual crashes. So applying that to municipal benchmarks, that is a 1 to 1.5 Percent comparison. Avl systems cost benchmarks $400 per year per vehicle in savings. Fuel efficiency savings, 8 to 12 percent reduction from Tampa fleet fuel, spend of 18 to 22 million annually. Crash cost averages are 20,000 to 50,000 per municipal vehicle incident for liability and property. So were looking at reductions of 15 to 25 percent there. And thats based on some verifiable test results that happened here in this city back between 2018 and 2020. IT was called the Tampa cv pilot outcomes. Were bringing some verifiable results. Were just expanding on IT. Incident response benchmarks, 25 to 40 percent efficiency gains from Avl, yielding a 1.5 To $3 million in overtime dispatch savings. There are so many different ways that were saving this money totaling the 12 to $18 million. Its incredible. All were asking for today is a letter of intent, which is basically a nonbinding process to start the next conversation. Thats all were asking for. Theres no commitment on the citys part. Its just asking for that formal opportunity to have the next kind of a little more formal next-step process conversation. Thank you very much.

11:15:15AM Ms. James, youre next. Start with your name, please. First, my name is Lucilene James. Thank you for listening to US. I like to make a little comment here. I have a daughter, too, that drives a lot now, and I love to know that she will be safe in traffic. I like this technology, and I feel like I can trust a lot in this technology. I like to see this go from US to go to -- you guys remember the flintstones, right? Goes from the flintstones to the jetsons. You guys familiar with that? Okay. I would like to see that IT goes from flintstones that pedal to the jetsons. When we talk about technology, and this is something for all of you to think about IT. Thank you, everyone. I believe Councilman Miranda is going to ask a question. You have to take IT off-line. Very good. We have Aileen Henderson followed by Robin Lockett. Our last speaker will be Pastor Williams. Ms. Henderson.

11:17:13AM Its working. If you want to zoom IT in, there is a wheel on the top. [ laughter good morning, Council. You know, I was told --

11:17:35AM Start with your name. Sorry. Thought everybody knew who I was. Not to be so angry, yeah, im pretty hot. So I am going to be angry. Yes, is that passion? Yeah, IT is. But im pretty ticked off. Just going to let you know. What you are looking at -- I have a lot to unpack, so ill try to get IT all in. Youre looking at here is something that I acquired yesterday. Its a Gpr for Colin for 3203 West St. John Street. Remember the gpi done when the Rabbis pulled out of the deal. I dont know if this is correct. Timeline is correct. Sorry, Enterprise wants their car back. On a whim in an inquiry to your department here with the City Of Tampa, and thats where this came from. This exists in the City Of Tampa right now. Ironically when they did that ruling and approved his application, they didnt use this. What is this? What are we looking at? What were looking at here are anomalies found on that property. 16 spots, but yet this application that was denied in 2021 was approved in 2025. But this document existed. Does IT say that there are graves there? No. IT doesnt. Thats not how gprs work. But heres what IT does say. After conducting Gpr scans, we were able to identify multiple anomalies in this one-acre piece of land. We cant determine the origin of the anomalies, but this is what we wanted, right? Council advised the Rabbis to go back and do the Gpr and they did and they quickly pulled out of that deal, let me remind you. Here is that documentation. That the graves are more than likely there, which is what weve been saying. History dictates IT. Already built over columbus. And the plaza and deadmans field. This is real. There are bodies here. He is going to get his utilities put in March 1st. This is a White Man erasing Black and brown history. And I dont care if you dont like that I say that. I dont care, because its truth. Im not making IT up. This is Black and brown history. West Tampa's history. Tampas history. Make IT stop, and you have the power to do that. I dont know who is telling you dont. As Legislative Branch, absolutely you do. 28 years of experience here with the government. I know what you can and cant do, and you can make this stop. Because if you dont, ive already reported this to the Florida master site this specific spot. Were going to get authorities involved with this.

11:20:34AM Thank you, Ms. Henderson.

11:20:35AM Robin Lockett followed by Pastor Williams and that will be the last public speaker. Robin Lockett. A couple of items. First of all, I want to identify and acknowledge those two young men. Cant remember their names but remember their effort. I grew up in robles park. Look where I am through all the travels, the journeys, the mishaps, a single mom. You know, theres survival. Theres something that you learn. Robles park was a village. IT was a village, right? Im so proud of them. The sky is not the limit for them. Convenience Stores. I find IT disturbing when I heard about the sex toys at the Convenience Stores, I find IT disturbing. IT shouldnt be, right? But how do we look at this in a larger frame, not just with silver dollar? How do we look at all of these Convenience Stores that sell bad food, that sell sex things, that sell drugs, that sell weed or whatever, how do we look at everything in a larger realm to bring them in order, to bring some type of order to them? Right? Because, again, the idea of convenience is that its convenient for the community, right? But we want quality things in the store. We want our kids to be able to go to the store and go in as a kid and leave as a kid. Not have something introduced to them like a sex toy. So I support if there is an ordinance or anything of that nature that can clean this up, but lets look at this deeper. Because its not just sex toys. IT is the bad food. IT is the expired food. IT is the dirty parking lot. Code Enforcement should be fining them. This is the only area I see that Family Dollar Convenience Stores have dirty parking lots. Trash everywhere. So we have an opportunity to make some changes in that. The cameras. Now, when I heard the first presentation of the cameras with the school zones, if memory serves me right, and I claim older, not old, IT was said that those cameras would only be on during school hours. Thats IT. During school hours. If there is an opportunity, someone read the contract, its not whether folk or whatever the groups name has a relationship with IT, its the opportunity that they, because of the wording in the contract, ice. Can get the information from them. Thank you.

11:23:47AM Thank you, Robin. Pastor Williams, youre up. Bring IT home. You are the grand finale. Make IT big.

11:24:22AM Good morning, sir. Start with your name, please. 1112 East Scott Street. You know, ive been coming down here for many, many years, and you know what? You all do nothing for me. Dont do nothing for people that come up and complain. But We are the source of everything. And you have to realize that were trying to do the right thing but you all dont want US to do the right thing. You are blocking from US doing the right thing and do what you all want to do. I came down here many years ago when things were a lot better. Now its getting worse and worser. We got to understand, I dont know what this traffic stuff, sex toys is about and dont want to know nothing about sex toy. I want to know about the real thing. This is what We have to understand. We are here to do the right thing for all people, not just me. You all aint going to do nothing for me. My water still cut off. Nobody come by there and tell me, but they are sending me a bill every month. Isnt that something? I just ignore IT and throw IT in the garbage and thats where IT is supposed to be. But We have to understand, my daughter is 65 years old. Dont say the wrong thing. What is the right thing? You all dont want to do nothing. Maybe We need to invite Donald Trump to sit In Your Place. Hell get things straightened out right quick whether We like IT or not and thats Just The Way He is. We have to understand, We are trying to do the right thing. Want you all to do the right thing, but you dont care. You dont care. But We have to realize that. We are nothing but citizens of the United States of America. I think Tampa, Florida, one of the unions, Tampa Florida, mid pacific. Still in the union. We dont get no respect. Mississippi more respect than anybody because they are doing what they want to do. God bless.

11:26:58AM Thank you, Pastor. That concludes public comment. I would like to get unanimous consent, initially during agenda review placed item 60 after public comment, but we have some board appointments, coordinate with the clerk, they asked that we move that up and flip IT. Board appointments first and then item 60, anybody object to that? Very good. Unanimous consent. We will address item 4 now because there are applicants in the audience for that. I believe our representative from the clerk is coming to the podium. Quiwanaki Ramsey, deputy assistant city clerk. Im here to present five applicants who are applying for positions on the Code Enforcement public nuisance abatement board. Council has two appointments to be made this morning. One to fill the vacant regular member position that was formerly held by board member Gilbert Torres Ruiz whose term expired on February 18, 2024, and one to replace the vacant alternate member position that was formerly held by board member James Chittenden, whose term expired on April 15, 2024. Previously, we had SIX applicants. However, one has withdrawn from consideration. Applicants are reminded that they have three minutes to address Council. And the first applicant is Ricardo Hernandez. My name is Ricardo Hernandez. Thank you so much for being considered for this important work. Its important for our community. General contractor, I hold civil engineer degree, too. Company, every day work with building departments, Homeowner Association, inspector. I know the code and I know the importance to serve and do everything compliance to the rules, to the code, and to the Florida statute 162. Serve, I am 45 years old right now. And I believe with my expertise is my stage to do more for our community that I already call home. I have a son. He is nine years old. For example, three years ago, we started a small project to take cats from our neighborhood, sterilize, spay and put in a shelter. I invite you for the next week, because we present a small project for our school. Its really, really who I am. Really, really I have the commitment, the integrity and responsibility to get this work done based to the code and the rules. Thank you.

11:30:09AM Thank you, Mr. Hernandez. Does Council have any questions? I have one question, do you currently serve on any other boards?

11:30:16AM Thank you. Thank you very much.

11:30:33AM Thank you. Ms. Tate. I am Fran Tate. I am the founder and president of the Jackson Heights Neighborhood Association and Community Safety Watch. Im also a member of the East Tampa CAC board. Today, I stand before you as applicant for an alternate seat on the Code Enforcement nuisance abatement board. Why? I am a 20-year sincerely dedicated, hardworking, experienced, knowledgeable, and understanding district leader of my district. This has inspired me to apply for the seat. I constantly witness rule breakers, building code breakers, illegal dumping, and businesses that practice unsafe behavior and unethical behavior. I listened to Bishop Patty, and I support everything that she has said today. I was able to sit in on yesterday Code Enforcement hearing and witness the process. In my community, I had a store that did unethical practicing. I was able to combat that. I want to offer my help to Bishop Patty and what is going on in that store. There is a Neighborhood Association that should be joining Bishop Patty. For some reason, I dont know, but if I am selected as an alternate, I will ask for teeth in the codes because there is a way to take care of that situation. I took care of the situations in my mom and pop store. My mom and pop store now are permanent members of my Neighborhood Association, and they follow each and everything that was asked of them. IT can be done at that store that Bishop Patty is fighting against. Thank you so very much.

11:32:59AM Council have any questions? Ms. Tate, I heard you serve on the CAC.

11:33:07AM Do you serve on any other boards?

11:33:11AM Thank you very much.

11:33:12AM Sir.

11:33:22AM John Teixido, are you in the house? John Teixido.

11:33:34AM Michael Womack. Start with your name. You have three minutes. My name is Michael Womack. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you today. Tampa isnt just where I work. Its a home. Its where ive built relationships, invested in communities and had the privilege of working alongside residents, neighborhood leaders and Local Organizations who care deeply about the future of our city. That love of Tampa is what brings me here today. In my professional work in communications and public affairs, ive had the opportunity to engage with a wide range of stakeholders, residents, small business owners, advocates, local leaders like yourselves. One thing is very clear across all those conversations. People want safe, clean, and thriving neighborhoods. They want to feel heard and they want to know that their city is responsive and accountable. If appointed to this position, my goal would be to work closely with City Staff and fellow board members to ensure the decisions are not only consistent with our ordinances, but also grounded in common sense and a love for a community. Tampa is growing. Were evolving, and we are full of opportunity. And with that growth becomes -- im sorry -- becomes responsibility. To maintain the character of our neighborhoods and to ensure that progress benefits everyone. IT would be an honor to serve in this capacity and to give back to a city that has given so much to me. Thank you for your time and consideration.

11:34:58AM Thank you very much. Council have any questions? Mr. Womack, do you serve on any other committees?

11:35:11AM Thank you. Yes, Sir.

Luis Viera

11:35:13AM Just as a disclosure, Mr. Womack has worked with my campaign for State House. Has no bearing whatsoever on my vote today. Its not an ethical issue whatsoever. I just make that going aboveboard I guess. Thanks.

Alan Clendenin

11:35:28AM Full disclosure, same. Very good. Thank you.

11:35:43AM Dylan Young, are you in the audience? Going once .. Going twice .. Gone. Okay. Again, we do have two positions. One regular member position, and one alternate.

11:36:03AM I heard Fran say she was running for the alternate spot. Handwrite alternate next to IT. Fran said she was running for the alternate spot.

Guido Maniscalco

11:36:37AM This is the Board I started on many years ago. Councilman Miranda was here. I was an alternate. So even being an alternate, I came to almost all the meetings. You do get involved in IT, and IT is a very interesting perspective into the community. You learn a lot.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:53AM Its funny because I started on the Citizen Civil Service Board. Charter Review Committee. Would you like me to sing? [ laughter

11:37:21AM Would you like Councilman Viera, what is that called? I know its not singing. Screeching.

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:29AM Speaking in rhythm. Rhythmic speaking.

Alan Clendenin

11:37:43AM Those of you that are waiting, we are going to hear item 60 and then break for lunch. Were not going to hear anything beyond 60. If you are waiting here for something else, you guys go enjoy your lunch and well see you here at 1:30. Alternate position. You have also selected Michael Womack for the position with votes that were received by Maniscalco, Clendenin, Young, Viera, and Carlson. Ricardo Hernandez also received votes from Miranda and Hurtak. Thank you, Council.

11:39:14AM Congratulations to the applicants. Now go do good work. We need a motion to direct Mr. Shelby to bring the resolution to Council on what date?

Martin Shelby

11:39:28AM Next regular meeting.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:29AM Next regular meeting. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Luis Viera

11:39:37AM Did I see Sebastian in the audience? Michael, if you dont mind, can you get Mr. Ricardo there his information. We can go out for coffee, if you dont mind. I wanted to do that. Thank you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:53AM There he is. Too late. Too late. Per our agenda review, We are now going to hear item number 60. After this item were taking a lunch.

Dana Crosby Collier

11:40:10AM Dana Crosby Collier, City Attorney's Office. Im here to address item number 60. Going to put the motion down on the screen so were all clear on what were discussing. Were responding to Council Member Young's motion to ask staff to explore options to address community concerns regarding sex paraphernalia being displayed where minors can see IT in stores, retail stores. Ive heard the public comment and I appreciate the public comment and I want to address the statutes that were discussed during public comment. But ill start first with just some basic first amendment law. First amendment, as you know, protects our freedom of expression. IT does not extend to materials that are deemed obscene or child pornography but does extend to free commerce and ideas. So in the State of Florida, regarding retail commerce and materials that are described as materials deemed harmful to minors, the state has defined that term in the statutes, its defined pretty narrowly. Extending to acts such as imitation, characterization, description, exhibition, presentation, or representative -- or representation of whatever kind or form depicting nudity, sexual conduct or sexual excitement. Retail display of material deemed harmful to minors is regulated under state law and can be enforced in accordance with chapter 847. However, sex toys as an item do not fall under the definition of something that is either obscene or harmful to minors. And, in fact, under Florida law, minors can purchase sex paraphernalia. I did want to be clear of what we are talking about. This is what would be considered material that is harmful to minors. Its a reproduction, imitation, characterization, description, exhibition, presentation, or representation of whatever kind of that depicts nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement when IT appeals to the prurient, shameful or morbid interest, patently offensive to the prevailing standards in our community, and as a whole is taken without serious artistic or political, or scientific value. Now, harmful materials, there is a statute, as was mentioned earlier, that prohibits the retail display of harmful materials to minors. As you can see, IT does require that Retail Establishments not display any book, magazine, or other printed material, the cover of which depicts material which is harmful to minors, exhibit these books, magazines, materials in such a way so its on open display or within the convenient reach of minors who May frequent the establishment. This is why when you go into a store, you see a Playboy Magazine perhaps and its behind the counter and manila shield in front of IT. All you see is the title of the magazine. You dont see any descriptive photo of anything. We go to obscenity, something that is not free speech, not protected by the constitution, as IT child pornography is also not protected. So when we look at things that are obscene, youre looking at things that are magazines, books, periodicals, newspapers, comic books, stories, videos, video cassettes as mentioned, records, wire tape recording, that May or May not require mechanical or other means to transit to Auditor, visual or sensory representations of character or any article or instrument for obscene use. So what that really means is that IT has to be something that displays some kind of a -- kind of an overt sexual activity.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:17AM No speaking in the audience, please.

Dana Crosby Collier

11:44:19AM Sexual conduct is defined and IT is an actual or simulated sexual intercourse, deviant sexual intercourse, bestiality, masturbation, sadistic abuse, these things defined in statute as things that are sexual conduct, sexual excitement, sexually oriented material. So all of these things are defined in our statute and can be enforced in accordance with the law if they appear in a Retail Establishment. But things that just are placed on the counterpart that are not -- that do not rise to the level of obscenity or the level of those items I just showed you that are harmful to minors are able to be displayed under the first amendment law. When something does not comply with the law, then IT can be -- we have a law on the books that will allow US to investigate and proceed with that, having that item removed as was mentioned.

Alan Clendenin

11:45:12AM Councilman Maniscalco and then Miranda.

Guido Maniscalco

11:45:14AM Thank you very much. I did my own quick research, and I was looking for, because a comment was made and I heard IT before, that the city allowed for this. The city doesnt allow for this. So I looked at where in the State of Florida if anywhere there is an application process. Maybe im wrong. Did my own research. Charlotte County, which is not too far away, that you have to apply for a license, I believe, in order to sell adult novelty items. I dont know if you saw that.

Dana Crosby Collier

11:45:45AM No, I didnt see that. However, in our code we do regulate adult use establishments. And those are things like certain theaters you May be aware of On Nebraska Avenue, things of that nature are regulated as an adult use, but that is a different category, and that becomes a zoning issue.

Guido Maniscalco

11:46:04AM So what about from a council perspective, could we do anything in regards to like, not an adult-only section, like you were mentioning, if there is a playboy magazine, covered and shows the title. But if they are selling something, these convenience stores that IT be behind a curtain or in the back section of a store, saying adults only, 18 plus. I know you mentioned that for products and selling to minors, there is no -- they can sell to minors. Could we do something ordinance-wise or via Code Enforcement where if youre going to sell -- because these are convenience stores. You dont have grocery stores. This is the closest thing to get food. Food is another issue with the health department that was mentioned. Can we at the very minimum -- they are paying for a City Of Tampa business license to say, if you have these products, whether they are smoking paraphernalia or adult paraphernalia, that you be required to put a sign, block IT, put a curtain, put IT in the back of the store where a kid comes in, teenager comes in looking for something to eat, whatever IT is, that they are not seeing this. Its in a separate section. What can we do from here?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:47:18AM In regard to what can be required to be displayed differently, The State has addressed that. Retail display of minors, as was pointed out in public comment numerous times, this is the statute that addresses the retail display of materials that are harmful to minors. And IT describes for US as Cities And Counties what we must require to be placed behind the curtain. If theres -- if we were -- we really cant go beyond this because then the Stores are going to say they have a first amendment protection to display the items, unless they fall under the definition of something that is harmful to minors. That then would be something already also covered in statute. IT would be a matter of requesting IT, but you couldnt regulate IT without stepping on the first amendment rights of the vendors.

Alan Clendenin

11:48:15AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:48:15AM I want to first of all thank Councilwoman Young for bringing this up and the people who came up and spoke to US today, very thorough speeches were made with specificity to whats going on in district five. However, when I read the real quickly, said only district -- said East Tampa. I would like to amend that to start in East Tampa and finish in district 4, 5, 6, 7, which is the whole City Of Tampa, not just one district, to start there and work IT out to the whole city. This is something happening in this country, and were not in Washington. Were not talking about the individual who did all those things and covered up with money and all that kind of stuff. We have to straighten this thing out. Young people have a tendency of seeing and remembering what they see. Thats how you remember where you come from. This has got to stop. We have got to make life a little simpler, a little more amenable, and a little more happiness for everyone. Whats going on here just about money and different things that are illegal. Were tired of IT in the City Of Tampa. Were not going to swallow IT. Well set the standard for other communities to follow. Right now, we havent done that.

Alan Clendenin

11:49:30AM Thank you. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

11:49:34AM One, I want to thank you very much. So what I believe what im hearing you say is that under the state laws that the sex toys or paraphernalia do not fall under the definition of something that is harmful to minors or obscene, is that -- am I understanding that correctly?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:50:01AM Generally speaking, this is the definition of items that are harmful to minors. And, generally speaking, that is true. That items that are sex toys, when you look at them on the shelf in the store, you May not know what they are or arent. There is nothing to indicate sexual -- if theres something to indicate sexual conduct or sexual excitement or nudity on the packaging, then youve got a situation where you are looking at something that could be harmful to minors. But if you go into Walmart or any Target, Cvs -- sounding gavel -- they are in the section with the condoms and other things that are for that purpose. And you will see boxes of items on that shelf that are not clearly readily. To someone going in like me, I didnt -- I had to Google to figure out what that item was because the box was nondescript.

Naya Young

11:51:04AM So going from -- piggybacking off of Councilman Maniscalco and Councilman Miranda, can you -- im asking you because you interpret the law. You are the attorney and I really appreciate you just bringing this and doing the work. I need a next step, an action item. What can we do? Because its happening in the stores. Its happening. And, you know, like the kids that we had, the young kids that we had today, they are going into these stores. They are. And they are seeing this. As part of a broader conversation its really just cleaning up our community. Thats what the community is asking. What can be done? What can we do?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:52:03AM If an item falls under this -- this is your statute relating to retail display of harmful materials harmful to minors. These are prohibited. If there is something like this that is not screened from the minors reach or consumption, then that is a violation of state law. So theres nothing more that City Council needs to do because IT is already in state law. As you can see, IT is a misdemeanor of the first degree in state law. Regarding things that do not rise that still maintain their first amendment protection, the Consumers and the Customers in the community should ask Vendors -- and I believe we have in some cases -- to move sensitive materials away from the sight of minors. That is what the community can do. Regarding the law, there are laws on the books that have been written, have been challenged, have been prescribed for all of US, cities and counties, to follow that do, in fact, try to constrain the retail display of materials that are deemed harmful to minors without stepping on first amendment protection of a retailer to engage in free commerce.

Naya Young

11:53:21AM Lets say I go to the store and have a conversation, hey, can you remove these items and they say no, then what?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:53:31AM If the item doesnt rise to this level of an item, then as a Government you cant do anything. IT has to be something that is contrary to state law.

Alan Clendenin

11:53:44AM Hey, guys. [ sounding gavel no.

Dana Crosby Collier

11:53:48AM And that really becomes something that people would need to report an offense of the law because that can be enforced. Its -- obscenity isnt protected. Sexual materials are to some degree, unless IT is obscene or child pornography, as I mentioned, then they are not protected. When they are protected, they have to have a very high standard of protection in order to survive a first amendment challenge, and thats why the law has been written in a way that tries to clearly define what cannot be displayed in a store.

Naya Young

11:54:29AM I have more thoughts.

Alan Clendenin

11:54:31AM Well have a second round. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:54:34AM Im going to say that this is a state law. This is incredibly unfortunate, but I will say the good news is the State Legislature is in session right now. I believe we need to engage Rep Dianne HART and to talk to her to see if we can get a law amended through this session. Thats one of the first places I would go. The second thing I would do, if our hands are tied in this, is to use community activism to simply not shop at that store, to simply share your concerns with that store and to educate the community because thats what will get that taken. Ideally, if people dont go to the store, they might find a Better Place to put them. But I absolutely will reach out to representative HART and see what we can do. I know that Ms. Robin Lockett is here who knows ms. HART very well. So that would be the next step I would like to see happen.

Alan Clendenin

11:55:55AM Only question I have, I kind of saw that blurry picture. I dont understand what is exactly in that store. Im assuming if something was sexual like anatomically correct, a device that was anatomically correct, that would probably cross the line, correct? That would be like a sculpture of something, seems like IT would fit into that. Are we talking about the same kind of thing, walk through the mall --

11:56:25AM Like a sharper image or spencers gift. Is that what is in the store?

11:56:34AM Everybody, shhh. The acoustics in this room are really kind of crazy good. When you guys are whispering, IT bounces back here and we cant hear our conversation. Thats enough.

Dana Crosby Collier

11:56:50AM Again, the material thats deemed harmful to minors, yes, this is IT. Reproduction, imitation, characterization, description, exhibition, presentation, or representation in whatever kind of form depicting nudity, sexual conduct, or sexual excitement. And this term prurient is a term used in obscenity law as well. IT is marked by arousing, moderate unwholesome desire or interest. Thats from prurient means. IT is a common word used in this context. IT has to speak -- has to appeal to prurient, shameful or morbid interest and has to be patently offensive to the prevailing standards in the community because Tampa is a lot different from New York which is a lot different than las vegas. You look to your community standards. And taken as a whole is without serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for minors. Its interesting to note that speaking of legislative session, there is a bill right now moving through the House but not in the Senate regarding book banning. In looking at book banning in their definition, they use these first two standards, but they do not use the third standard because obviously books are literary in nature. Thats something that with regard to chapter 847, which is the chapter that everyone has been speaking of, which is the chapter regarding obscenity, this is the definition for materials harmful to miles per hour, with regard to your question.

Alan Clendenin

11:58:24AM Can I assume when You walked across the stage after graduating from law school You didnt think You would be standing in City Council chambers talking about sex toys?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:58:33AM Two people have said that to me in the last 24 hours. If IT gives you any comfort, when I worked for Orange County, in about a span of 24 hours, I became an expert on Pill Mills. I dont know.

Bill Carlson

11:58:46AM First of all, thank you for thorough analysis of a difficult topic. Second, if the community decides to contact Legislators, im also happy to contact Senator Rouson or any of the others that May have weight in trying to push this. Seems like the Legislature would want to be in favor of this. But let me ask you, I didnt hear you talk about case law in interpreting this. Is there specific case law regarding these types of devices in a convenience store?

Dana Crosby Collier

11:59:17AM Not the devices, but the concept of obscenity and what is and what is not deemed obscene and what is and what is not first amendment protection. In state law, I was unable to find really anything specific to sex toys, and thats because they are not regulated in state law.

Bill Carlson

11:59:39AM What is the down side if We -- with the lack of case law, why not test the state law and have a very narrow definition that comes as close to this definition as We can. Like My Colleague was saying, if something looks like a toy, IT might not, like a regular toy, IT might not qualify. If IT looks like something anatomically correct, seems like IT would. Why not come up with an ordinance that is narrowly tailored to test the law? Whats our limit of liability if We do that?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:00:18PM Yes. Civil rights are protected at a very high level. There can be individual liability for violation, as you know, from many years of watching the news and seeing how things are prosecuted. There can be individual liability for a violation of someones civil rights. First amendment is a very high level of protection. And Local Governments frequently they do struggle with first amendment issues, panhandling is one that is frequently challenged because of someones right to stand on the corner. The city says, no, dangerous to stand in an intersection, the first amendment does normally prevail. So first amendment, that is entirely why when we were digging into this issue, we looked to what the state law provides for, because presumably In Some Way, shape or form, this has been challenged at some level Of The Court system and IT has survived that challenge based on the balance between protecting minors and protecting first amendment. Thats why IT is written so explicitly in the law.

Bill Carlson

12:01:21PM Like to follow-up, depending on what my colleagues say, but another question, understanding the separation of powers in the charter that the Mayor has control over, Code Enforcement and TPD, is there anything that City Council could do to request that those departments step up their inspections to do inspections more regularly of these facilities? Because there sounds like there are multiple issues at some of them.

Dana Crosby Collier

12:01:49PM I really wasnt prepared to address the enforcement because its already in law and IT already would be forced upon a complaint. IT would be inspected. And then IT would be determined if something violates the state law.

Bill Carlson

12:02:02PM If We passed a resolution thats maybe nonbinding just to say We suggest the Administration ask Code Enforcement to check on these issues once a week or twice a week or something like that, its nonbinding, but can We at least do that to try to suggest some action?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:02:25PM You can pass a resolution encouraging anything really or encouraging Vendors to not put this materials that are not necessarily up to the state statute, but definitely are offensive to the communitys sens. You can always request people do the right thing or do the thing that You want. As far as requiring IT by regulating IT, thats where You get on the slippery slope of the first amendment. Again, if its violative of the state law, IT is a violation of state law, IT is addressed. IT can be prosecuted. There are penalties described in every one of these statutes.

Alan Clendenin

12:03:08PM Councilman Viera, that will be end of round one and then round two.

Luis Viera

12:03:12PM Thank you very much. There are the ten commandments and then ten suggestions. If there are things we cant do in terms of mandating, im sure the owner or owners of this establishment or establishments know this is happening. Can Council set up -- I want to be very respectful of all the people here with very legitimate concerns brought upon by family and values and many, many faith. I respect that. So why dont we -- I dont mind knocking on the door and going, hey. Thats sometimes the simplest thing, easiest thing I find. Find that in the law and also find that in politics. Just somebody knocking on the door and going, hey, whats going on? And thats IT.

Alan Clendenin

12:04:07PM Councilman Maniscalco. This is the beginning of round two.

Guido Maniscalco

12:04:13PM Charlotte County. Application for sexually oriented business license. Charlotte County here in Florida. There are different categories. One is Adult Novelty Stores. Would be able to -- business in City Of Tampa pays business license, expand the category to have if you sell these items, just like a store would need a second hand dealers license or pawnshop needs a pawnbroker, further licenses, can we expand that?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:04:43PM These are the three sections in our zoning code relating to adult establishments. Adult uses. They are regulated differently than a convenience store or a retail store like a Walmart. We have our Adult Bookstore, which, of course, is where you go for photographs, books, et cetera. There is an Adult Entertainment Establishment, and this is something that offers the entertainment and IT could include graphic media and things of that nature. And then we have our adult theater. These are the three sections of our code that talk about adult use. Those are regulated by zoning law.

Alan Clendenin

12:05:32PM [Inaudible]

Dana Crosby Collier

12:05:33PM And then we have other adult uses as well that are more interactive. Thats what we have on our books as far as adult. This is how we regulate adult use. But this would be -- I did see some of the codes in other cities where they talk about a certain amount of square footage and whatnot being used for that purpose, which would then make that store rise to a level of a certain type of use such as this.

Guido Maniscalco

12:05:59PM Can we amend this from a municipalitys point of view to, if you are going to sell these products, adult products, you have to apply for a special license? And in that application, say May not be displayed publicly. Like, for example, spencers. Spencers gifts and there is one at Westshore mall, They have stuff that are for young people, horror movie, cartoons whatever in the front, but if you go to the back, They keep IT separate from the public. I think thats how the business model is, thats one thing. The second thing is, the people that are here today, this is some of the community. Because there are a lot more people that are very concerned with this. And these are the individuals that keep these folks in business. If They do a boycott. They spend their money at these convenience stores, Council Member Viera suggested, why dont we go and talk to them, are we precluded from going out and saying, hey, weve received a lot of complaints, because its beyond just this room. There are a lot of people complaining saying, hey, as an act of good faith can you put this in an area, put these items in an area that are not seen by children and young people at the very least, but also going back to my original question, can we expand the scope of whats in, you said zoning, that if They are going to sell these items, create a new category that They have to apply for the specific license. And in that, have different parameter of how They are displayed.

Dana Crosby Collier

12:07:30PM IT would be a zoning issue. We would have to look into how we amend the code, what level of sales we would require for a Business to rise to that level. IT couldnt be every Business that sells that would be considered adult use. Because as I said, they are available at other retail stores and other convenience stores. So youd have to look very carefully as a city at how you wanted to define that and what standard you were going to meet, sort of like alcohol use and other highly regulated uses. As far as asking people, of course, you can. Like I said, if you see something that rises to a level that is a violation of the statute, then that needs to be investigated as IT should be because IT is a misdemeanor. Its criminal action to display things that are harmful to minors In This Way. But a lot of the reading and materials I saw, and I do understand the concern, but a lot of the materials were referring to obscenity. And that is also regulated in state law. And also cannot be just put out for display because its not protected like child pornography at all. Those are things that need to be reported and addressed individually. Or like you said, if its not quite up to the standard, then you would request that that be put somewhere where its not so visible to not only children, but adults obviously are offended by IT, too. Its something that is offensive to the community and needs to be put back behind the counter.

Alan Clendenin

12:09:13PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

12:09:14PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This seems something so easy to fix its not. Six-foot rule, day, night, Peep Shows Way back when I was much younger. Not in them, but checking to make sure everything was not happening what they say was happening and IT was happening. They made many arrests. Seems so simple. But when you look at the facts of the law, guess what, its very, very difficult to do. Im not trying to -- I want to help. The first thing you ought to do simpler and much easier to do is get them in the food area where they say the food that was dirty, that had this, that the other. Work both simultaneously. Go to the State Department -- they would come in and check not only how hot the food was going out, they would check to see if theres leftovers from little rats that do little things that normal people do also. But then have the toilet paper, roaches, and check for everything in the restaurant. These are the things that, first of all, are much simpler because you can charge for that and close a place if its dirty. Thats number one. Work together from two angles, not from one. One is much more difficult than the other one. At least, when you start with one thats much easier to prove whats going on, you open the door that whoever owns that, say, wait a minute, now they are after my food and this. So there is an economic thing you have to chase first of all. Follow the money, follow the trail, and you can solve the problem. We can talk about IT -- we have to have legislation to change the laws and thats what we have to work with. Thats what I believe this Attorney is trying to tell US in a Nice Way. Im just saying that I want to solve IT. This Council wants to solve IT. The seven of US wants to solve IT. The Mayor wants to solve IT. The neighborhood wants to solve IT, and its very difficult to solve. I will talk to Sheriff Chronister, see maybe something out there we dont know about. Also, the Chief Bercaw. These are the things going on. Been going on for days. Been going on for years, and its time that we stop from them going on.

Alan Clendenin

12:11:36PM Councilwoman young and followed by Hurtak. If nobody else, well stop our round two at that point and go to lunch.

Naya Young

12:11:45PM Just so I can make sure that im understanding the law correctly, pretty much what youre saying is under the first amendment, sex toys are covered under the first amendment pretty much what im hearing, yes?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:12:01PM Yes.

Naya Young

12:12:04PM Here is the thing. I understand. Again, I appreciate you so much for just doing the work. So one of the reasons I asked about like what is an action item, what can be done, because if im correct, I believe the Community has gone there at least twice and the materials are still there. The first time IT was to bring to their attention that Community, We dont want this in our neighborhood. And then I think IT went back a second time and they are still there. So my question when I was asking, you know, if We go and say, hey, can you remove this and then what? What im looking for is whether We heard of a resolution, amending the code, ordinance, what can be done? Its obvious the Community has gone and voiced concerns about not wanting this there and they are still doing IT. The truth of the matter is, in certain communities, the display of drugs and sex and alcohol is more prevalent. That is what IT is. That is the truth. We cant argue with the facts. Its very prevalent in this Community. What can We do? Yes, I agree We work, both sides have Community, not to shop there, to continue to voice their concerns, We dont want to see this in our Community, but what can be done on this side on the municipality side, what can We do so that this doesnt continue to happen? Its obvious, We have already gone and said We dont want this and still there. And its in other communities as well. Thinking about IT holistically, like there was a comment mentioned earlier, just in general, in the Community, just having more respect for the Community. What can We do from sitting here at this dais so that We can ensure that that doesnt happen?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:14:05PM With regard to a regulatory answer, you have the law. I think becoming educated on what is obscenity. Obscenity is not protected by the first amendment. So if something is obscene, thats a much higher standard of a felony, and IT cant be defended, just like child pornography, not protected, not defensible. Educating on what is obscene because that is something, like I said, in a lot of what I reviewed in the materials, a lot of times, things are called obscene when, in fact, the reference is the statute regarding harmful. I do think understanding that obscenity is not a protected speech, and that is something that can be regulated by Government. And then looking at what is deemed harmful, which I have the definition here as well, and these things, you can see its only a first degree misdemeanor if its displayed and its harmful. But if IT is obscene, then IT rises to a whole new level of felony. These are two totally different things and they have two totally different levels of standards. I think thats important that people understand that these are different things. I understand -- if IT is a retail display of something that is prohibited by law, then IT should be enforced. And that is something that you cannot display for minors. This type of thing, its not obscenity, its something deemed harmful to minors. So its a different standard. IT is protected. Thats why its controlled in the law. So I think understanding what -- I mean, there is a Famous Supreme Court justice, they said what is obscenity, his comment was, I will know IT when I see IT. Thats because obscenity can be very subjective. Some people find things to be obscene that other people would not. Thats why the standard And The Way its written in the statute and in the case law as we discussed briefly is so high because obscenity is something that is difficult to define and IT is something that May differ from me to another person. However, thats why the State created this harmful to minors definition so we could look at this and see that its not obscenity, IT is something deemed harmful to minors. Something kids shouldnt see, shouldnt have readily available access to and that is how that stuff should be reported and investigated accordingly, if IT is a violation of the law. If its not a violation of the law or obscenity, which not protected by first amendment at all, then that becomes a community advocacy issue.

Naya Young

12:17:06PM In your professional opinion, right now, what is -- what should be our next step? Where do We go from here? We heard resolution. We heard We want to see an ordinance. We heard maybe IT is amending the zoning code. In your professional opinion right now, action item a is what? Or should be what?

Dana Crosby Collier

12:17:30PM Things that are deemed to be in violation of the statute should be reported accordingly. Thats action item number 1 because there is state law and there are things in the law that -- I would defer that discussion, like more -- if You want to talk about how and to whom, thats not what I was prepared to discuss today as far as how You report IT. I would think You would want to follow up with Administration on that. As to that particular issue. But the first thing is these are -- if something is a violation -- let me restate that because im not aware of the specifics of -- I didnt see anything in my review of the materials that was deemed to be obscene or harmful to minors, but I didnt see everything. So I dont know what other people are seeing. I cant speak for that. I can just say if someone sees something that falls under this definition, IT needs to be reported and we can get back with You on how that process could work, but thats not what we were talking about today. With regard to things that are not able to be regulated, if they are not regulated in state law, then You have to know that they have a first amendment protection and regulation of first amendment as You know is a very dangerous thing. Its very costly in many ways. Thats something that You would have to consider in your deliberations. Encouraging community compliance, is to be respectful of peoples senses, is excellent, but not to regulate. You cant regulate -- behavior, not this. You can regulate dui because You can measure IT by an alcohol, blood alcohol level. But if IT doesnt rise to the standard that IT can be prosecuted, then IT has to rely on your Vendors.

Alan Clendenin

12:19:33PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

12:19:35PM For me, I see the next steps as multiple things. Discussing with Representative HART, possibly Senator Rouson about what we can do within the state. I recommend going, talking to the folks. But also the community has a lot of power. I think they need to go and talk to the store themselves. Boycott, do whatever they need to do. But then the other thing, I heard about Sheriff Chronister and his -- so I would really love to know, and unfortunately, I dont see TPD here today, so I will definitely speak to TPD about what Sheriff Chronister was or was not able to do to find out more information for myself.

Alan Clendenin

12:20:21PM Councilman Miranda, short and then go to lunch.

Charlie Miranda

12:20:25PM First of all, you do the easy things first. Code Enforcement was mentioned. I mentioned. Filthy Place on the outside, parking lot. Start that, you start action of what am I doing by the ownership. Secondly is to go back to, citizens of the community in district five speak about the food and the taste of IT, the look of IT, I dont know if its terrible or not, I would imagine IT is, but im not saying IT is right now, and make sure that the State of Florida sends their inspectors to check out the quality of the food, that they have clean inside the kitchen, refrigerator, they check everything. Thirdly, what Councilwoman Hurtak mentioned about seeing your legislator. Thats going to be a difficult, not that they dont want to do that, they face the same laws that you are facing against now. These are the things we have to look at. Lets start from the beginning, but also add not only East Tampa, but the whole city, four, five, SIX, seven, the district, composition of the whole city. Five first and the rest of them together so we can work with other law enforcement agencies, including the Sheriff's Department. I make that as a motion.

Alan Clendenin

12:21:40PM Councilman Miranda has a motion. Restate IT, please.

Charlie Miranda

12:21:48PM First of all, that Code Enforcement go out and do an intensive review of the properties in which these individuals are located in East Tampa.

Alan Clendenin

12:21:58PM That is an administrative function. So You can request that they do IT.

Charlie Miranda

12:22:03PM Request that they do that as soon as possible. Secondly, that the individuals also have food that we ask this body, this council ask the State of Florida, one of the first buildings built about eight blocks from here, where the state building is at, to go on and check for the quality of the cleanliness of the food and other items stored inside the refrigerator and stock rooms and so forth, which they do that normally anyway, but to do IT as soon as possible.

Alan Clendenin

12:22:36PM We have a motion from Councilman Miranda. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT unanimously.

Charlie Miranda

12:22:42PM Thirdly, the other motion is maybe the chair should contact sheriff Chronister, speak to him, see the value of what they did, how they did IT and what laws they were under so we can maybe do the same thing as piggyback. At the same time have Chronister speak to Chief Bercaw.

Alan Clendenin

12:23:03PM We dont need a motion. Ill take IT as iou to speak to Mr. Chronister. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

12:23:09PM Can I have an amendment? That we also recommend that the Administration and their Legislative Wing, they lobby to talk to both the Representative HART, Senator Rouson, and others about what is available. They are in a much better position. Ill still reach out, but that we can make a formal request.

Alan Clendenin

12:23:39PM We have the motion. We have the second. We have the motion and second on the first that was Miranda and Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. We did vote on that one. The second thing, Chronister, ill reach out to sheriff Chronister to talk about that. On the Administration, I would suggest that we defer to Councilwoman Young to reach out to the Administration and do that. I know that Councilwoman Young will have an announcement shortly. Maybe we can roll that into that. We can leave that up to her that youll speak to the Administration as far as what we can do as far as lobbying efforts in tallahassee to make that amendment. Is that IT? Ill recognize Councilwoman Young and youll bring IT home.

Naya Young

12:24:28PM Thank you all so much for moving this up and having this robust conversation. Sometimes we talk about things and they kind of go away. I dont want this to go away. I dont know what the language, but in new business ill do a motion to make sure this gets back on the agenda so we can continue the conversation, even if IT is just me coming back with, you know, updates as far as whats going on and after talking with Administration, our Code Enforcement, TPD, Sheriff. Because I want to resolve this.

Charlie Miranda

12:25:04PM May I ask that you put that on after the Sheriff speaks -- Sheriff Chronister and Police Chief and that Code Enforcement and does what the first suggestion, that after that they come back.

Alan Clendenin

12:25:18PM I imagine ill have the conversation before our next scheduled meeting.

Charlie Miranda

12:25:26PM Ill second that.

Naya Young

12:25:28PM Ill do the motion in New Business. I want to get my thoughts together to make sure IT is succinct.

The Clerk

12:25:35PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

12:25:41PM Okay. That is the conclusion of the Business, our prelunch Business. IT is 12:26. Is 1:30 still good? Lets do 1:45, please. 145 we will resume. [ sounding gavel we are at lunch. [Lunch recess]

01:49:02PM I hope everybody is well-fed and not falling asleep. I call the Tampa City Council meeting to order.

Charlie Miranda

01:49:07PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

01:49:09PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

01:49:10PM Here.

Luis Viera

01:49:12PM Here.

Bill Carlson

01:49:13PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

01:49:14PM Here.

Clerk

01:49:15PM You have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

01:49:16PM Our next item is a request from the public for reconsideration of legislative matters. Mr. Shelby, a compelling reason not to move right to a public hearing or go here first?

Martin Shelby

01:49:27PM My suggestion is take the reconsideration at this time.

Alan Clendenin

01:49:32PM Okay. Anybody in the public have a request for public for reconsideration of legislative matters? As you approach the podium, state your name. Council. I am with hill ward henderson, 3500 bank of america plaza, with Tyler Hudson on behalf the applicants with The Magnolia Court hotel project. Not here as a member of public, but we are here as the applicant. And we are requesting reconsideration land use map amendment number 24-11. And we are not asking for approval of the project today. We are just asking the Council to consider at a subsequent hearing a reconsideration of your decision. And the reason for that is we believe Council was instructed not to consider the impact of the states Live Local act on that application. We believe that was improper. IT is undisputed that the Live Local act applies to the property. That a land use decision can be made approving multifamily on that site administratively. And that in making a decision on the land use plan application, really, there are two critical issues that have involved. First is, what do the current regulations and laws allow for development on the site versus what is proposed, right. That is the analysis. And, again, the Live Local act applies to the property, but Council was instructed that the Live Local act shall not be part of the calculus that you should consider in making your decision. And also importantly, I looked at the staff report on this application. And the staff report of November 2024 contained no analysis of Live Local. Live Local applies to the property. IT is the law. IT is a land use regulation that applies to the property. So today, we are simply asking Council for reconsideration not on the merits today, but just to give US the opportunity and give yourselves the opportunity to consider what we think is a material issue in making your determination. And really so we just want Council to have all the information. If after presentation of that information your decision is the same, you know, so be IT. But we think having all of the information before Council is critical. Thank you.

01:52:31PM Mr. Shelby, this is a first. Can you provide some clarification? Lets hear from counsel -- the City Attorney first?

Scott Steady

01:52:42PM May I, Chairman, members of City Council, Scott Steady, Legal Department. I want to acknowledge the first time in front of you since I took job. I expect to be here more often after this.

Alan Clendenin

01:52:56PM Lets try to make that not happen.

Scott Steady

01:52:59PM I was going to say, what does that mean, chair. Yesterday I spoke with Scott and taylor -- Tyler, excuse me, about this matter yesterday afternoon. And part of the discussion was really asking -- which I appreciate to kind of review the record and see if I concurred with what their position was. So last evening and this morning, I took the time to pretty much go through the transcript. And Scott and I have known each other a long time but a couple of things. I really -- I can go in much more detail. I have a much longer presentation, if you would like, but, first of all, I think he has mischaracterized what was said because really what miss Cate Wells said, and I will just repeat in a couple of locations, I actually dont think talking of Live Local is an applicable discussion point. Also, applicants talked of what else can be done here if you dont approve this application. Well, they could possibly be effective in pursuing Council, ie., The Live Local act. So IT wasnt -- her focus was not really -- in my opinion when I read IT, is you cant consider IT. IT was on what should you consider. And when you are considering the Comprehensive Plan, you are looking at the Comprehensive Plan, which was a legislative act that adopted a Comprehensive Plan. You May not have adopted IT, but the Comprehensive Plan is basically this councils plan, obviously, to plan the future of Tampa. And that provides the rules, policies, direction to you how you go about making those decisions. And Miss Wells pointed out during the hearing, for instance, that in the Comprehensive Plan, IT says, you are supposed to look at why is the change required. What has changed from the plan that was adopted by City Council previously to where -- where you are going now. And that is really the focus. There is no question what has changed. And I recognize Live Local has -- IT is a huge change. IT is an earthquake change, but IT is not within the discussion point, IT is not what you should be considering as Miss Wells said when you are considering a Comprehensive Plan. So I reviewed IT. If I agreed with them, I would be here agreeing with them, but I do not. I think that the direction was correct. I believe IT was misrepresented -- I am not saying intentionally, but I would characterize IT differently. She wasnt saying you cant consider IT. IT was that the correct analysis does not substantially address Live Local. And I think she gave the correct direction on how you consider a Comprehensive Plan. So you certainly have the right to reconsider this. I am not suggesting you dont. I am not here to say you dont. I am just simply saying I disagree with the basis.

Alan Clendenin

01:55:59PM Councilman Carlson, do you have a question?

Bill Carlson

01:56:02PM Can I make a statement or ask a question?

Alan Clendenin

01:56:06PM Thing is a question time because I want to hear from Mr. Shelby first.

Martin Shelby

01:56:10PM Just a reminder of how motions to reconsider work. May I take the time to do that. Just a few minutes. This is in councils rules of procedures. Under parliamentary procedures. We dont need to talk about any time there is a reconsideration we need to have a full Council present. But that doesnt apply. Next section, 4-e say as motion to reconsider an action of the Council shall only be by a Member who previously voted on the prevailing side and shall be made only at the same meeting or the first subsequent regular meeting, which this is. A second to the motion May be made by any Member. And before you can consider debating on whether to vote in favor or against the motion to reconsider, the threshold question is, is there a motion to reconsider. Then you can have a discussion, Councilman Carlson, on the merits of that debate.

Luis Viera

01:57:16PM Question on the issue. May I?

Alan Clendenin

01:57:19PM Yes.

Luis Viera

01:57:21PM Do you want to go first? Well, the question for Mr. Steady or Mr. Shelby. I cant make IT, of course, but could IT be a narrowly tailored motion or does IT have to reconsider and entirely new hearing with back and forth public hearing. Or narrowly tailored to the Live Local Act?

Martin Shelby

01:57:51PM The merits themselves, the issues themselves are not germane for a motion to reconsider. A motion to reconsider is a threshold motion. And if IT is made by somebody on the prevailing side, seconded by anybody, and IT does pass. Under roberts rule of order, IT brings the original motion of the case to deny back to the floor in its present state.

Luis Viera

01:58:13PM Okay, I see. IT wouldnt require a whole new hearing. Merely revoting?

Martin Shelby

01:58:19PM No. If there are additional facts. And if You wish to -- IT depends how IT is presented, but if there is a relevant issue, You can certainly zero in on that. You dont have to have a whole new hearing.

Luis Viera

01:58:33PM Thats what I was asking. If that motion is to be made, can be IT made in a Narrowly Tailored Way. Wish to inquire on these specific issue is what I am hearing.

Martin Shelby

01:58:46PM I understand, Mr. Mclaren -- give him a minute. Mr. Mclaren, if I can, if I understand the question then, IT is your intention to ask for reconsideration in the arena of a specific issue that you wish to have addressed? You are not asking for another full hearing on -- or are you? Thats fine too. Would become part of the record here. We dont intend to stand up and do the same dog and pony show. We basically will put into the information and the comments from everyone that was already made and we would supplement that with live local information. And whatever other information May come to light between now and the hearing.

Luis Viera

01:59:33PM That answers my question. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

01:59:36PM Mr. Steady, you have something to say?

Martin Shelby

01:59:40PM Before -- sorry, Mr. Steady. I have a question for Mr. Mcclaren. I am fine.

Alan Clendenin

01:59:47PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

01:59:50PM Yes, Mr. Chairman, there is another rule that is under your meeting section, rule 3-b-12 that says as follows: "request by public for reconsideration of legislative matters: amendments to the City Of Tampa's comprehensive plan including text amendments are not subject to reconsideration." Now that being the case, what that would seem is -- if you choose to reconsider IT under this -- this reading, what I just read to you, there is -- the assumption was that if Council wanted to waive its rules to still have a debate whether to reconsider, IT could waive its rule by a supermajority. Mr. Mclaren, did you want to talk to that? Members of Council, so the rule provides specifically that requests by the public for reconsideration of legislative matters, including land use plan map amendments, of course, are not subject to reconsideration. But the -- the preface to all of that language is "request by the public for reconsideration." And we as the applicant, you know, are in a different position than the public. We are the applicant under this application and not simply just a member of the public. So we have -- we dont think the rule applies.

Alan Clendenin

02:01:23PM Mr. Steady, do you -- Mr. Steady, do you --

Scott Steady

02:01:27PM I will actually defer to Marty on that. I think this is his arena.

Alan Clendenin

02:01:31PM Mr. Shelby?

Martin Shelby

02:01:33PM That -- again, this is unusual in the sense this is the first time that has been raised before. So I am not going to pass ultimately on the merits of whether I agree or disagree. Council does have a choice. If IT chooses to want to reconsider, IT can do one of two things. You can accept Mr. Steady's argument or by five votes waive the rule. Either Way, I cant say -- I just gave you a plain reading, but I can tell you that this is a legislative matter. I will also state that IT is tied to a quasi-judicial matter that was on the agenda for the same evening. So, therefore, as an applicant, he is an applicant to this, but as a private property rights, IT is -- while IT is a new argument, I think IT is one that I would have to consider as to whether or not that is, in fact, imposing upon him as an applicant a greater burden than IT would be from a member of public because they have certain private property rights that attach. That is a long answer.

Alan Clendenin

02:02:44PM Mr. Steady, I think we need an answer from the city what is defensive and not defensive.

Bill Carlson

02:02:50PM May I ask, I have a question.

Alan Clendenin

02:02:55PM But what is the defensible, what is public? Is there a -- does the Applicant have -- does the Applicant have a right that is not defined in that rule?

Lynn Hurtak

02:03:07PM I just want to hear the rule again. Thats all I want.

Alan Clendenin

02:03:11PM Stand by. We will get to IT. I promise.

02:03:16PM Please. We will get to IT.

Martin Shelby

02:03:23PM Put on the monitors, on the councils monitors.

02:03:31PM Can you zoom in, if that is possible.

Alan Clendenin

02:03:36PM Yes.

Scott Steady

02:03:36PM If the Council is looking at IT, just to reiterate. I am trying to respect what our position is and martys, and I really do -- I am happy to always give an opinion, but I think this is martys arena for him frame and decide.

Martin Shelby

02:03:55PM My position is, if you have an opinion, speaking as City Attorney for the Municipal Corporation, acting as the citys interest both in City Council and the administration and the city as a whole, then I certainly think Council will benefit from your opinion in making its decision.

Bill Carlson

02:04:11PM Can I ask a question while He is thinking about that.

Alan Clendenin

02:04:14PM Councilman Carlson. Two minutes to think.

Bill Carlson

02:04:19PM Two questions while you are multitasking. One of the questions that Mr. Mclaren put forward. My recollection that the applicants attorney fully explained to US that Live Local was a responsibility. We all know what Live Local is. There are Live Local projects in the City Of Tampa. We are aware of the legislation. I dont -- so my first question, how could IT possibly be a deficient record when the applicants attorney fully went through IT, despite the fact that our attorney said we shouldnt consider IT, we are aware of IT. The second question -- I will ask both at the same time. Second question is, can you explain what the process is for Live Local? I think the point that Miss Wells was making IT is a separate process all together. First of all, if I recall, you have to have 40% affordable housing. And so could you -- if the -- if IT is true and I am asking if IT is true and what the process is. If IT is true they have to go through a completely different process, then -- then IT seems to be moot. They can apply for Live Local now. They can ally to Live Local whatever we change IT too. Local is a separate process all together and were ware of IT and the Applicant made its case, IT is not really relevant to the decision made in this case. Whether we approve IT or not, they can auto US Live Local.

Scott Steady

02:05:44PM First of all, I agree with both of your points. Reviewing the record, IT was discussed. You were aware of IT. Clearly Miss Wells, though, said more -- not to consider IT, but this is what you should consider. I think the record reflects that. So that is where I disagree She didnt say no, IT was more that this is what you should be considered for the Comprehensive Plan.

Bill Carlson

02:06:08PM Didnt mean we didnt consider IT, just that was her recommendation. Can you tell US what the process is for live local?

Scott Steady

02:06:15PM Live Local, frankly, I never have done a Live Local, a totally separate process. And I am happy if somebody else with staff knows, but IT is a totally separate process. But I am not that familiar with IT.

Bill Carlson

02:06:27PM They wouldnt have used this process or this action to apply for live local.

Scott Steady

02:06:31PM The whole idea with live local, IT cuts through the local process. IT is an alternative to IT by the State to basically say if You are -- I do know enough to know IT is a separate process provided by State statute to provide for housing, but also allows avoidance of certain local government requirements. And IT is a process that You can pursue either option.

Alan Clendenin

02:06:58PM I will tell you prior to this hearing knowing this might have been an issue, I actually requested that Legal be prepared to have Somebody here to speak to live local and that did not occur. That was really frustrating that evening, By The Way, fyi. I asked Somebody to be here as a subject matter expert and they were not here.

Scott Steady

02:07:16PM I apologize.

Bill Carlson

02:07:18PM Still, my point if you agree a separate process all together. If they want Live Local now. Certain restrictions to -- to certain limitations for applying to Live Local. Any Property Owner can apply for Live Local, they have to meet the 40% affordable housing requirement and everything else.

Scott Steady

02:07:36PM Right, agreed.

Bill Carlson

02:07:38PM This process. That was irrelevant to this process because a separate application all together.

Scott Steady

02:07:43PM Agreed.

Alan Clendenin

02:07:44PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

02:07:45PM So Mr. Shelby, if I am correct at looking at this that was put on the wolf, our rules say this is not subject to reconsideration unless we vote with a supermajority to waive our rules. Do I understand that correctly?

Martin Shelby

02:08:06PM Says what IT says, You go generally You have a section of waiver that allow to You do that with a supermajority vote.

Lynn Hurtak

02:08:15PM Thats what I just said.

Martin Shelby

02:08:17PM Two separate exceptions, but the short answer is yes.

Lynn Hurtak

02:08:20PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

02:08:21PM Disagreement with the law from the Applicant and not a definitive answer from the City whether the request from The Public -- The Public is considered an Applicant. We dont have an answer to that. Can you all take a sidebar to resolve that issue?

Martin Shelby

02:08:36PM Five-minute sidebar.

Alan Clendenin

02:08:39PM Can The City take a sidebar to have an official opinion? Maybe consult with somebody -- if the public as the Applicant?

Martin Shelby

02:08:50PM The question -- the question is whether or not -- whether or not I opine to IT. IT is to councils rules and the question is if councils rule effects a substantive right because we didnt rule correctly, they May have a call to action.

Lynn Hurtak

02:09:07PM My point is simply to ask. This is a rule and in order to suspend or waive our rule we have to have a supermajority, the answer was yes and thats all I want to know. I think we can call the question, right. Doesnt someone who voted opposite of the --

Alan Clendenin

02:09:28PM To waive the rules could be Anybody.

Luis Viera

02:09:30PM So --

Lynn Hurtak

02:09:32PM So We need -- so in order to go any further, We need a motion to waive the rules.

Luis Viera

02:09:37PM Maam, before I make that motion which I am prepared to make. Issue is, does a request -- does the party -- is that the public? That is the -- that is the issue in dispute before we see if we need a supermajority.

Martin Shelby

02:09:56PM Answer is, if a supermajority exists, the issue becomes moot in this case --

Luis Viera

02:10:04PM If I May. IT says "request by The Public for reconsideration of legislative matters." Okay. To overrule that, we need a supermajority, but for that to come into effect, IT has got to be The Public asking for reconsideration. Does the Applicant -- are they considered The Public?

Alan Clendenin

02:10:24PM Point of law.

Luis Viera

02:10:25PM That is the issue. I suggest being efficient about IT. Number one, to see if they are a member of public. Are they that. If we are going to waive IT or required to waive IT. If we are not required to waive IT we will see if somebody on the winning side is willing to make the vote. Two-step process.

Martin Shelby

02:10:44PM Can I have five minutes to confer with The City Attorney?

Alan Clendenin

02:10:47PM We will be in recess and reconvene at 2:16. [Recess]

02:16:51PM I would like to call the City Council back to order.

Charlie Miranda

02:16:53PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

02:16:54PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

02:16:55PM Here.

Naya Young

02:16:56PM Here.

Luis Viera

02:16:57PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

02:16:59PM Here.

Clerk

02:17:00PM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

02:17:03PM Mr. Shelby, you would like to speak.

Martin Shelby

02:17:06PM Martin Shelby, City Attorney. Follow along with me if you can, if there is question or confusion, let me know. Right now we are arguing, conferring. And I had an opportunity to talk in private with the City Attorney specific to this provision and what IT says for purposes of this 3-b-12, subject of discussion request by the public for reconsideration of legislative matters. Under the "meetings" section of the rules of procedure. Says amendments to the City Of Tampa's comprehensive plan including text and map amendments are not subject to reconsideration. Now if you go to the order of business under rule 3-b-2, IT lists the order of business and mr. Chairman, you arrived at IT this afternoon. And we are talking specifically about 2-g, request from the public for reconsideration of legislative matters. That is the point of the public -- the point in your meeting when City Council entertains motions -- other, excuse me, motions of request for reconsideration. That is what happened today in this case. This was the appropriate time for City Council to take up this issue. Mr. Mclarens client also happens to be an applicant. But by reading of this, what IT really takes IT to mean is this is the point in time that those other than members of City Council who were here to be members public. Members of the City Council and members of public. A time when members other than City Council can bring up a motion to reconsider. So IT is my determination after consultation with the City Attorney that requests by the public for reconsideration of legislative matters refers to the public as "those other than City Council" who under your rule can bring up your own motions to reconsider either during the meeting or at the next regular meeting. Any questions, please.

Luis Viera

02:19:17PM Clarification. Yes, sir, so in other words, right now we dont have to ask for rule waiver. And the requisite rule would be to reconsider by Somebody On The Winning Side. Is that your opinion?

Martin Shelby

02:19:31PM No, sir.

Luis Viera

02:19:32PM Okay, then --

Martin Shelby

02:19:34PM Anybody can make the motion to waive the rules. When IT comes time for to reconsider, because IT is a two-step process. The waiver of the rules say rule 9-a, these rules -- no, this is 9-b, any of the foregoing rules May temporarily be suspended for the meeting session by a supermajority vote of five or more members unless such waiver is in conflict with the city charter or state or local law. I am not familiar with any provision of the city charter or local law that applies. This a threshold. If you want to get to whether or not to reconsider, you need five votes in the affirmative made by a Member both on the prevailing side or not to we have a the rules so you can get to the point of reconsidering a decision, a vote, on the comprehensive plan.

Alan Clendenin

02:20:30PM Is that unless a member of the City Council requested to reconsider? Because that wouldnt be a public. So a member of City Council could reconsider. This would be just a majority vote?

Martin Shelby

02:20:44PM Well, I think the record in this case makes IT clear that IT came to councils attention by somebody appearing at this point in the agenda, which is a reconsideration by the public of legislative matters.

Alan Clendenin

02:20:56PM If Council decided to adopt this cause.

Martin Shelby

02:20:58PM Just as usual and You have done this before during this provision on councils motion ultiately, but at at the request of a particular party who stands up here and and requests IT.

Luis Viera

02:21:08PM May I ask one quick question.

Alan Clendenin

02:21:13PM Council member Viera.

Luis Viera

02:21:14PM So, correct me if im wrong, wasnt there a statement this would not be implicated because request by Public for reconsideration, is the party a member of Public?

Martin Shelby

02:21:27PM Our determination is the answer is yes. Because everybody -- and to answer your question very specifically, everybody other than a member of the City Council is a member of the public.

Alan Clendenin

02:21:39PM Asked and answered.

02:21:45PM Let me recognize Councilman Carlson first and then revisit you.

Bill Carlson

02:21:51PM Marty, if We dont make a motion, nothing happens. We dont have to make a motion against IT or make a motion to pass IT or We do nothing. We dont have to make a motion We are not going to do IT. We either make a motion in favor of IT or make no motion, correct?

Martin Shelby

02:22:08PM If there is no motion to waive the rules, nothing You can make a motion on.

Luis Viera

02:22:12PM Can I make a motion? Mr. Mclaren wanted to say something, and I make a motion to waive the rules, and I will take IT those who vote for this waiver of the rules would be in favor of a reconsideration By The Way, so I do make that motion if I have a second, and I know Mr. Mclaren wanted to speak and leave IT up to you, Mr. Chairman, but that is my motion.

Martin Shelby

02:22:34PM Sorry, there was a motion that was made. Is there a second to that motion?

Alan Clendenin

02:22:38PM I am the chair. He wanted to speak --

Martin Shelby

02:22:42PM You dont want a second before -- I want to point out the word "public" and the word "Applicant" are used differently and separately throughout your rules. There is a public time -- time for public comment and time for the Applicant comment. So we believe that the public IT you not refer -- IT refers to separate. The rights are different. If the Applicant gets approval from the Council, then the Applicant can move forward with a development. If -- if the ruling is in favor of the public, that is not true. So the rights are different. I wanted to point that out. And just for the record, we object. I thank you for your time.

Alan Clendenin

02:23:20PM Thank you. We have a motion from council member Viera. Do we have a second?

Charlie Miranda

02:23:26PM I wanted to ask a question.

Lynn Hurtak

02:23:28PM Is your mic on? [Inaudible]

Martin Shelby

02:23:34PM The answer to your question is, motions to reconsider are require -- and your rule states that and so does roberts rules. Motion can only be made by somebody on the prevailing side, and in this case is somebody who supported the vote to deny, but what you have in front of you now is just a motion to waive the rules to see if you can even get to that point. This is a threshold question. So but that requires five votes, a supermajority.

Alan Clendenin

02:24:06PM Motion from council member Viera. A second?

Charlie Miranda

02:24:10PM I second IT because I want to finish this Discussion One Way or the other.

Alan Clendenin

02:24:14PM A motion from Council Member Viera. A second from Council Member Miranda.

Lynn Hurtak

02:24:17PM State what the motion is.

Luis Viera

02:24:20PM If I May, a motion to -- we have been advised this rule is implicated a request from the public as reconsideration of legislative matters. Amendments to the tampas comprehensive plan and text amounts are not subject to reconsideration. My motion is to waive the rules to potentially have a motion for reconsideration. That is my motion.

Alan Clendenin

02:24:41PM Any discussion? Hearing none.

Lynn Hurtak

02:24:44PM No.

Naya Young

02:24:46PM Yes.

Luis Viera

02:24:47PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

02:24:48PM No.

Charlie Miranda

02:24:50PM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

02:24:51PM No.

Alan Clendenin

02:24:53PM Yes.

Clerk

02:24:55PM Motion failed due to lack of majority vote. You need five. Hurtak, Carlson and Maniscalco voting no.

Alan Clendenin

02:25:17PM Thank you. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon. We are now moving to our consent agenda. We have the Public Safety Committee.

Luis Viera

02:25:26PM Yes, Sir, I hereby move --

Alan Clendenin

02:25:30PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

02:25:32PM These People are here for a time certain, and in five minutes We have -- We have our -- I got stuff to say. IT is not going to be five minutes.

Alan Clendenin

02:25:42PM Lets stick to the agenda.

Lynn Hurtak

02:25:44PM These folks have been here, and they were supposed to be heard at 1:30.

Alan Clendenin

02:25:50PM If IT is the will of the Council to change the agenda, I need a motion.

Lynn Hurtak

02:25:59PM Make a motion to hear the 1:30, although We only have four minutes until We have to hear the 2:30.

Alan Clendenin

02:26:05PM A domino effect. IT will be a domino effect, yeah.

02:26:12PM I have a motion and a second.

Luis Viera

02:26:19PM What is the motion?

Alan Clendenin

02:26:22PM The motion to hear the 1:30 hearing now before we hear anything else.

Luis Viera

02:26:25PM Question on the motion, if I May. Was this specific? So -- I was out last week, did we agree to have IT at 1:30? So this is what I am going to do. Since that request was made before the request for Local 754, I will support IT because that promise was made before. What I will ask folks is, since we have items on the agenda, lets go with some vigor. Thats all I am saying to be respectful to other people. Since that was scheduled before, I can respect that.

Alan Clendenin

02:26:58PM A motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from council member Maniscalco to open up the 1:30 hearing. All those in favor, say aye. Opposed. The ayes have IT unanimously. Can I get a motion to open up public hearings.

Charlie Miranda

02:27:13PM So moved.

Lynn Hurtak

02:27:14PM Second.

Alan Clendenin

02:27:15PM All in favor, say Aye. Opposed. Ayes have IT. If you were hearing in the --

Martin Shelby

02:27:21PM Sorry, mrchair. Is the motion -- forgive me. I May have been distracted. You said Public Hearings.

Alan Clendenin

02:27:27PM All public hearings. If you are here in the public and you are planning to provide testimony to the public hearings today, please stand -- whats that? Please stand, raise your right hand, and be sworn in by our Clerk.

Clerk

02:27:44PM Please raise your right hand. [Swearing in]

Alan Clendenin

02:27:53PM Thank you very much. And here we go. Need to go back on the page for the 1:30s. Okay. Who is going to present?

Stephanie Pope

02:28:15PM Stephanie Pope, land Development Coordination.

Alan Clendenin

02:28:21PM Hold on, lets get our IT. Folks together. Stephanie, were you sworn in?

Stephanie Pope

02:28:28PM Yes, Sir.

Alan Clendenin

02:28:29PM We see you now.

Stephanie Pope

02:28:30PM Stephanie Pope, Development Coordination. Item number 47 is rez 25-117. This item originally brought before you for second reading on February 5, 2026. This item is a rezoning request for the property 4202 West Spruce Street. The request is to rezone from rs-50 and PD to PD planned development for multifamily. Revisions were completed and certified plans submitted to the clerks office. No waivers as part of this request. The applicant met with the community as directed by council and is here too answer any questions, and im here to answer any questions.

Alan Clendenin

02:29:11PM Does Council have any questions of Miss Pope? Hearing none. Applicant. A couple of slides I will run through pretty briefly. I want to start of the evolution of this project. This has changed significantly since the initial filing back in 2024. And I think that I focus a lot during the first reading on this case and how those changes resulted in our ability to remove all of our previously requested waivers. So that is still the case. This final plan before you is completely waiver-free. IT is 100% code compliant, but I think I failed to touch on the fact that a lot of those changes, while they remedied inconsistencies from staff, they addressed a lot of the concerns that were raised at our different meetings with the neighborhood. Some concerns originally that the building was too high. We lowered the building height adjacent to the single-family to four stories. There were concerns the building was too close to the residential homes. We provided the 35-foot code compliance setback. That setback is a requirement of the West Shore Overlay District, specifically for properties adjacent to single-family. This was contemplated in the writing of the overlay that there will be compatibility concerns with multifamily projects and single-family residential homes. Original proposal has a drive aisle located along the southern property line. There were concerns that the neighborhood raised about noise. People driving there along their fence lines at night. We completely redid the internal circulation of the site. And provided that area now with green space. This -- the access portion externally, that wasnt even brought up by staff. You heard in some testimony a couple of weeks ago as well as with the prior proposal that there is some concerns with traffic in this area. This is a congested area. But a lot of those concerns were localized to lois, understandably so, the access point to the neighborhood. We took the access point and moved IT to spruce. All of the projects access along spruce, loading and service and full entrance and exit for the residents. I think there can be sometimes a misconception in that when folks show up here and take time out of their day, which is -- I know IT is a lot to come here, especially, you know, with a longer agenda. And I think there is a misconception that there hasnt been an open line of communication between the Applicant or the Developer and the neighborhood. And most of the times, that is not the case, and IT is especially not the case here. We met with the Civic Association first back in August of 2024. That was almost a year and a half ago when we came forward with the original proposal. Since then the Developer has met with either the Civic Association body or with board members of the Civic Association five different times throughout the course of 2025. Latest meeting of which was Tuesday of this past week. And Chris Murman, the Applicant, is here if you have any questions about the specific meeting but I would be naive to say we are not aware of further issues because obviously there are still concerns from the public and we have done our best to address those. Again, I would like to remind Council within your purview of the application being presented, fully consistent across the reviewing department in the city as well as completely waiver-free and code compliant. Thats IT, and I will be happy to answer any questions that you have.

02:32:45PM Council member Miranda, your light is on? No questions? Very good. Anybody in the public wishes to speak to the item? Five at a time so people can be comfortable. Line up five at a time to the wall to the right, and we will call you up. If you approach the podium -- speaker waiver forms -- we dont do -- oh, we do. If you have a speaker waiver form, present IT to our attorney, Mr. Shelby, and back to the podium and start with your name, and you have three minutes. Everybody start with your name. You only have to line up five at a time so you guys stay comfortable. Each person gets three minutes so you need to be as comfortable as possible.

Martin Shelby

02:33:27PM And when -- Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. When you give me the speaker waiver form, I am going to ask that the people who placed their name on the speaker waiver form verbally so I can hear IT acknowledged their presence so I can check off your name and give the speaker an extra minute for each one of the three minutes. Miss Sutton has two names. Lansela Mortimer. Speak up, I see you. Maurice Greene. Two additional minutes for a total of five.

Alan Clendenin

02:34:02PM Thank you. Start with your name and you have five minutes. Opposition of rez 25-117. During the February 5 council meeting, you were told that our claims of sinkhole activity and severe cracking and foundation concerns were purely speculations, but receipts to show IT is valid. My property was remediated. We had 36 helical piers under our home. $43295. In 2010, we had an addition placed on our home, which included another 12 helical piers added for another $14,000. Page 5-7. On page 1-7 you see the receipts and you see the description of the work. On page 8 is the City Of Tampa subsidence map that denote gradual sinking of land area. The map, along with the pictures provided, will show visible severe cracking, foundation concerns, and sinkhole remediation information. If you look on your map. We will start here with the property on 1908 west lois. There is cracking, and this is one year after corrective measures were taken. 4203, which is my house, shows the official remediated sinkhole property. 4207. Damage measures were taken. Across the site 4206, a observed land subsidence in the front yard -- a depression in the front yard that keeps getting bigger. Go to 4214, official record of a unremediated land subsidence. If you look at 4218, official record of remediated land subsidence. 4210, page 10 of your packet, severe wall cracks, sinkhole remediation was completed there between 2005 and 2007, and IT is still now having severe wall cracking. 4222 west Union, observed cracking on the structure. We go To May Street, which is directly behind another apartment complex. Observed interior and exterior cracking per owner. 4305 West Main Street, we have pictures. The house is inhabitable. Observed interior and exterior damage. 4307, official record, unremediated land subsidence. 4317 West Main Street, page 13, you have the picture, official record of remediated and land subsidence. 4312 West Main Street, page 14, the property is vacated due to severe cracks to the property. 4222, West Main Street, observed cracks on the house, and 1801 North Main Street observed cracks on the house. 18401 North Manhattan Street. Be need to be included to access to the geological geotech of buildings. We need documented assurances of our property managing and questions of financial liable if damages occur how the residents cant access these funds and how long even if the property is stolen. Having traditional neighborhoods can also represent broader Tampa context by mixing the old with the new. Should be added responsibly. Enough apartments already surrounding US and allow US to keep our heritage neighborhood of Carver City safe and vote no for the apartment complex, protecting neighborhoods is important too. And if you look back to the map, you can see that we are surrounded by apartments. We have apartments Across The Street here on spruce. We have apartments here. We have apartments there. And this company has also been approved for apartments to go right here on this corner. Over 800 units and almost 1,000 parking spaces dealing with the traffic and all the other concerns listed. Thank you.

02:38:54PM Thank you very much. Next speaker. Start with your name. You have three minutes. I am the president of the Neighborhood Association. I want to talk about the traffic. Well, I have been in the neighborhood for 64 years. I have seen a lot of changes. A lot of stuff going on around US. So we are respectfully requesting a cumulative traffic impact study prior to the proposed 400-unit development being approved. Currently, we have a proposal with five apartment complexes of 1,000 homes within our community within a two-mile radius. Our primary access corridors are spruce, lois, which is difficult to cross by car or foot, manhattan supports a k-8 school, Fire Department and numerous businesses. Based on a standard multifamily trip generation rates not including cumulative impact from additional nearby developments, we anticipate approximately an additional 184 vehicles during the peak hour and 252 vehicles in the morning and in the afternoon, 252. The community supports responsible growth; however, given documented sinkhole activity, existing roadway constraints, school traffic, public safety considerations, additional density should not be approved without a comprehensive review. Because right now we are blocked in. I reside in Lincoln gardens. We can only get out on spruce or dale mabry. There are times -- I am a teacher. So I get home early, but if I want to leave my house at 5:00, I cannot get out of the neighborhood. And there is already one apartment complex you have approved that will be off Of Spruce Street. Having this complex will lead to another problem, and Carver City, to be honest with you, has a major problem with sinkholes. And I dont know if the community can support or another apartment complex coming. Thats all I have to say. Thank you.

02:41:17PM Thank you. Next speaker, please. My name is Sheila Downing, and I guess my three minutes starts now. Question, what does the future of Tampa hold for the homeowners of Carver City and Lincoln garden as soon as We have built the heritage? We piggyback off of 60-, 70-, 80-year residents, heritage that has been stripped from US. We have made concession after concession. Weve adapted to change after change. They have poured thousands and thousands of vehicles into that neighborhood. I reside at 4022 West Lasalle Street. Come out every day, and I look like a complete lunatic trying to flag people down to stop from almost running over our animals or kids. They do not care. They just want to get from off of lois, go through all of the side roads to get to spruce over there. IT is a madhouse, and you all have to live there to see IT. Coming here to explain to you is not an answer. You have to see IT to believe IT. I ask that the traffic Study Take Place. We -- the Contractors, yes, they have made some changes and some modifications, but what modifications did they bring to the community? No -- no additional signs, no safety -- no safety precautions. They have not given US speed bumps to slow the cars down. You are talking of putting tens of thousands of people on roadways that havent been expanded. I mean, We are trapped in here. There is a ten-city block. We are trapped from -- all day longer with trapped in this community. So We appreciate some of the concessions that they made, but We have been given 20 years. We are now, what, 15, 18 years of giving concessions. And more cars, more property, more damage over there and not safe for any of US. Let the interstate back up and shoot down lois and all the side streets to get around by the airport. IT is -- you have to be there to see IT. Try coming here four or five -- anywhere from 3 to 8, you cant get out of in neighborhood. We ask that you kindly reject or oppose this. We have no additional sidewalks. We have no -- nothing for the kids -- for anything safety for the kids and the crosswalks. There is nothing. IT is oversaturated. Oversaturated with people everywhere. There is no room for kids and animals no more. There is no real community. Airbnbs and nothing but business development. What does the City Of Tampa hold are US? And that will be all.

02:43:59PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Start with your name. Lived in this community since 1967, first living in the home with my parents, the property Across The Street from the homes abutting the proposed building site and later constructing my home at 4321 West Group Street, the corner of green and manhattan. All of the years I lived in this community, IT is not until recently that I witnessed flooding on unleveled streets on manhattan, which was once very smooth and now structure changes. IT is now wavering. Lois Avenue and manhattan experience flooding during the last hurricane the first time to my knowledge. Changes I am noticing only since the construction of many high-rise buildings. Single-family dwellings abutting the proposed construction site are already experiencing structural damage, which, as I recall, started when the -- when the building of the site was built. And in addition to these concerns, I have concerns about our safety navigating the community. I live west of lois, but I have family east of lois. IT is a very dangerous crossing lois to get to the east side to visit them. I am personally concerned because I have an Elderly Sister that must navigate lois to get to my home. I ask you please strongly consider our concerns, rights and recommendations of the community when making the decision regarding the structure to be built on the site. And not allow a structure of that magnitude to go up. I noticed that IT lowered some of the structure on the back ends, but I further would recommend that all levels be no higher than four. Thank you.

02:46:04PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Start with your name. Dean. My middle name is Spelled That Way. 4316 West Main Street in between manhattan and hubert. As you know on manhattan, as far as safety, I just piggyback on everything that everybody is saying for our community and our neighborhood. I want you all to consider and take into consideration just read up on the legacy of Carver City and Lincoln Garden, how we got IT. We keep hearing everybody say redevelop and develop. How can you redevelop something or develop something that when IT was given to US and say, hey, you can live here. This is your property. Make IT a community. IT was only a few houses put there. How can you redevelop that? So I just want to know as far as for safety, I want to know, why cant we have nothing and make IT something and keep IT -- and keeping IT safe that we have a community. We have a neighborhood. Nobody had to come in and put special housing there for the Government to take care of. We accepted what the Government or whoever was in control gave US. We made IT what IT is. A neighborhood. A community. With family and humans in IT and children. And they are absolutely correct. IT is not even safe for your animal to even walk. We have our dogs -- especially our dogs, the smallest ones will protect US and bark because of all the traffic coming down. Not only the traffic, but loud noises and everything. The Airbnbs. I have to beg somebody to get out of parking space so I can get in my driveway. You ask me why. With the gun law -- My Mom gets upset. Dont say nothing, just come in the house. I said I will call TPD and the sheriff and everybody. He shouldnt ask me why. They dont live there. Of single-family homes and needs to stay a single-family home. IT takes me -- I cant get out of the driveway walking several minutes just to Cross The Street. Nobody has respect On Main Street. You have hubert and manhattan. They come off Of Union Street. Union, where they are trying to build the apartments or whatever they are trying to build, those people that are going to be staying there, they front wont stay there that long. They dont know what we have there. We have as a community that is there. We can share things and share a life. So I thank you all for listening pitch want you to hear our voices. Thank you.

02:48:48PM Thank You. Next Speaker, please. Start with your name, and You have three minutes.

02:48:54PM Do you have a speaker waiver form?

Martin Shelby

02:48:58PM Here we go, thank you.

02:49:01PM Miriam Havnatis. Thank you. I see one name. That is four minutes.

Alan Clendenin

02:49:07PM Thank you, start with your name and you have four minutes. Good afternoon. My name is Katherine Davis. My home is also On Union Street. I grew up in Lincoln gardens from the age of five until 21. So I have seen many changes. I have seen things going on, some good, some bad, some worse. And I moved into Carver City in 1988. My late husband, Bishop Francis Davis, he built the house in '67. One of the first On The Street constructed by the first builder to give an opportunity to help segregate African-American Veterans build their homes in established communities. And I have seen the traffic -- they are talking about the traffic. IT is so terrible. IT is messy. You cant get out. I mean, if -- you are on dale mabry, if you know where I am talking about, traffic is always down Past Lois Avenue. You cant get out. You cant get in. And IT is just -- IT is a mess. Okay. And you have to pick your times to get out. Pick your times to come back in. This is truly sad -- saddens me and breaks my heart to see that the community does not have an official historic neighborhood designation. But our heritage and our history must not be forgotten. Our safety, our quality of life and our homes must not be overshadowed, overtaken by high density commercial buildings single-family residential area with homes where We want our children, even our great grandchildren to carry out the legacy that was birthed in that land and on that land. This land was not given to US. We paid for this land and the property. We paid for the homes. And this is an important part of the history of Carver City, Lincoln garden and of Tampa, the history that neighbors, my neighbors that are trying to protect. This project will make things worse, and IT will continue to weaken our properties. And who will pay the price? We will. Why should We have to suffer the loss? The continual targeting of our area for high-density buildings and housing is put ago you are homes in danger. The land vibrations from other projects cause our fragile homes to begin deteriorating. Many of US have to repair foundations like My Neighbor said and the houses are moving. Where IT is once less desired but now coveted neighborhood. I ask that you deny this development in order to have our homes be safe and to preserve our history. Now tell me, how much more? How much more after hearing this can our properties actually take? Thank you.

02:52:15PM Thank you very much. Next speaker, please. Start with your name. You will have three minutes. I see you have handouts if you want to show them to US. My mother and father -- I lived on 4213 Union Street. I was raised there. We came to this community around '67-'68. And We like to keep our heritage -- our Community That Way. IT was a hard time finding some of the soldiers that -- that the -- the Black soldiers that to our land was given to, and I would like to read this, if I can. Our community was designed and zoned for density of South Carolina residents. This is validated by the United States Army Service, which has went to seek property in the inner city during the Jim Crow era. This was to assure, call IT men, women, worth fighting for the country will be shown consideration to be able to make purchase, to build homes, a community to raise families allowing US on this land. I live at 4213 union. And I am right behind where the complex is going to go. My Father during -- when they were building the recreation center, the -- apartment that are already there on spruce, the international mall. My Father was very ill and when the demolitions and building was going up, he would wake up in a rage. So I am just wondering how some of the elders now with all this other building going around our areas, how -- there are how they are feeling about this because some of the land, sidewalks are cracking. Streets are cracking. Know they put overlay on the streets. Some of the streets cracked. One day I came home and I wondered why the water is running somewhere. The City came out and preparing the streets, whatever they are laying out. So I am saying to you We can not stand another complex in our area. What is IT going to take? Seeking down in the grown before somebody realizes this? We are here. And We love our neighborhood. I grew up in that neighborhood, and I thank you.

02:55:05PM Thank you very much. Have a beautiful afternoon. Next speaker, please. My name is Wanda Williams, and im here to discuss the preservation of my neighborhood. I lived in both neighborhoods, Lincoln gardens and Carver City. And I just want to talk of the people that live in that neighborhood. I have three point. Number one, We started here. According to my familys birth records, We have been in the area for approximately 161 years. My family has owned property for seven decades in Lincoln gardens and over five decades in Carver City. My grandfather served in the United States Air Force. He was trained at Tuskegee University as an airman. He participated in World War II air missions in north africa and other places around the world. I was assigned to MacDill Air Force Base after World War II and he faced housing discrimination and could not live on the base. So seven decades ago, he purchased property in Lincoln gardens We still presently own today. My grandmother was a educator in Hillsborough County schools for over 41 years. She educated hundreds of students in her community and throughout Hillsborough County. My family members were educated at local elementary schools, middle schools, high schools within the county, and We have four generations of graduates from Florida A&m University this level of education has affordable housing an opportunity to serve our community in many occupations educators, business, pharmacists and other professions. But our community is made up of many occupations and organizations that have served our community faithfully. We are asking for an opportunity to preserve this great community and heritage that We have come to love like to preserve our community without the addition of tall buildings, increased traffic and overpopulation. We would like to keep our community as IT is. Please consider the request of US who have lived for maybe generations and many decades in that community. Thank you.

02:57:34PM Thank you much, Wanda. Next speaker, please. Start with your name. You have three minutes.

02:57:46PM They will come and help you out.

Martin Shelby

02:58:28PM Victoria Jones. Thank you. SIX minutes total.

Alan Clendenin

02:58:37PM Start with your name, and you will have SIX minutes. My name is Anna Lyalina, a resident On Union Street adjacent directly to the site -- proposed site. I would like to remind you have this map we have been referencing. In close proximity to the buildings, only the four and five-story buildings and -- there is only -- practically all you have these ones are other multifamily ones, commercial ones, do have streets, but these dont behind them. And there is only one adjacent to single-family lots which is five. The proposed school will be adjacent to 11 single-family lots. All surrounding buildings have vacancies. These green dots indicate that. Records of 2/16 already 26. Second or third page have reference of resources online of that and the amount of units is building 375 and the sister site of this developer is proposing up to 410. We heard a lesser amount of units, but they are approved for 410. Our concerns remain the same since the last year. And there has been references to how many times a developer met with US. And I confirm that. I presently was at most of them, but I would like to stress your attention to the fact that the concerns havent changed and they have not been addressed. Last year, I e-mailed a developer suggesting warranties to the Residents to protect our homes. And I have not received a response. Prior to the January hearing, there was no meeting with the community Residents to present the new plan or address our concerns. Following the City Council's request from February 5, on the 12th, we were told there will be a meeting, which we received an e-mail about on 16th to be scheduled on 17th. Today is the 19th. At that meeting, we were invited to share our concerns. I am sorry, we have expressed that multiple times; however, there was no defined action plan presented. No enforceable of warranties were offered. A visual inspection tied to an insurance extension during construction was mentioned. IT was offered. But without any specific language, financial commitments or measurable protections to the community. Our questions after the meeting for the details and specifics were not answered. I dont think I have spoken my whole time. I propose the warranties. I propose the form of a fund, a form of a budgetary reserve, but we were told that none of those were an option or considered at the point there was no information about IT. We were informed that the preliminary technical report was prepared for seven stories, but IT was not disclosed to US and despite our continued reliance on the prior geotech report that exclusively warned that the construction of a much smaller building must be extremely careful given the land is and the landfill nature. All know that construction traffic and heavy equipment effects surrounding streets and foundation. That is not a speculation. Residents also were at the meeting proposed a reduction in to four stories all together to keep the heritage look -- heritage, apartment, and single-family. But to keep IT together because we know something is coming. That option was denied. Following the councils directive to address community concerns, none were produced at this point. And I have strong reasons to believe that unless specific enforceable language is made a condition to the rezoning, not for permitting Which Happens Way later. We dont know who is going to be there and what is going to be there. But right now at the rezoning, the burden of potential damages will fall entirely on the community. I have personally gone door to door about 70% of the community. Aside from a few newer homes -- usually they are built better. Residents raise concerns of structural exposure. Not fears, they are based on experience proven and shown. Community is also conformed of future strain on an already strained infrastructure. The advised site plan does present -- is presented as a gesture that we May meet the code, but I would like to bring to your attention that has 10% increase in unit counts. And more traffic. I mention that we only talk of lois that is not always true. We talk about spruce. A lady from villa -- who lives on the community on spruce. They are overloaded traffic. Please sufficiently vote to decline.

Lynn Hurtak

03:03:49PM Thank you very much.

03:03:52PM Next. I am Carolyn Collins. 4002 West Lasalle Street, Tampa, 33607. I have been at that location that I built there 52, 53 years. Prior to that we brought -- my husband and I bought his fathers sisters home at 4914 West Arch Street. And prior to going away and returning home after college, we also lived in that house. I also worked in Carver City in the back behind where roland park is on the recreation site that was there for the City Of Tampa. And then went to Lincoln garden, and I worked there at the recreation site where the church now sits. So I have been in the area for a long time. And basically, I am going to be very limited. I think they said enough. I want to indicate a couple of points. When we look at new development in any area of the city, and we are looking at any proposed new development, particularly single-family area, we always are going to have to deal with perhaps some problems whether IT is high density or significant risk to safety and environmental issues for the residents that live in that area. Florida has a problem. You heard a lot about the sinkholes. And we have a problem in Florida with the limestone-based geological surfaces that we have here. And individuals are doing IT. I am going to be clear we kind of figure they are going to be approved. All the other apartments around US were approved. What we are asking you to do, reduce the population increase that is going to come as a result of them and reduce the height and dont do anymore. We can constantly keep coming and our children come and our grandchildren come and beat down in the ground because that is what is happening. That is why we are having the flooding, etc., Going on -- all these years living there. I never saw flooding. Police had to stop me and wouldnt let me go to the home. I said, sir, I live right there. They allowed me to turn and go To The Street. Never had that in over 60 years. We know -- when I ask them, what is happening? Well, they keep building out here and beating down the ground. Tired of seeing snakes. Tired of seeing alligators. Go down to the Fire Department. They were down there. Everybody thought IT was cute until they started running out. IT is not cute. So what wither going to say and what you will say, traffic congestion, cypress, lois, dale mabry, and spruce. You guys already know my story. They close IT out. Only on spruce and lois. So do not lock US in anymore. Please give some reconsideration. I am not saying not going to -- reduce IT and make IT sensible to the community. You heard what everybody had to say. We just simply want to have some improvement in the community and work with the city. Thank you so much.

Alan Clendenin

03:07:08PM Thank you. Miss Sanchez, you are next.

Martin Shelby

03:07:10PM Four names. Dephine Jones. Thank you. Adrian Laramie. Marianne Palevita. Thank you. And James Palevita. Thank you. Four additional minutes with a total of seven.

Alan Clendenin

03:07:49PM Thank You, Miss Sanchez. Start with your name. You have seven minutes. I apologize for all the staples. IT has been one of those days. My name is Sandy Sanchez. You heard part of the history of Carver City. But a little more detail on IT. You heard that our african-american citizens that were fighting in World War II Had No Place to stay. That is one of the reasons the second floor was put on the jackson house. They had to find places to stay with other families or whatever. So The City Of Tampa in their infinite wisdom decided that they should do something to reward these servicemen so what they did because of Jim Crow and segregation, they allotted them to live in an area called Carver City and Lincoln gardens, which was a landfill. What a reward. Thank You for hitting US build on a landfill. The same city that gave them this wonderful present is now trying to take IT away by allowing high density, high-rise projects to be built in the immediate proximity. These homes are structurally fragile. There are sporadic water pressure issues along with electrical issues due to existing and weak infrastructure, not mention the traffic issues they told You about. Neighborhood has a right to be scared. Their fears are not unfounded. They are eyewitness to the destruction watched as building of the ingram building was being built, and they saw that they had to reconstruct the pool three times. Poor construction, they werent told, but still in the memory of those who witnessed IT. Proposed apartment complex is the only one immediately adjacent to the residential area. Other sites approved in the Neighborhood have a Public Street between them. These streets provide a barrier so they did not jeopardize the size and southeast their surrounding homes. The City has never offered to correct the mistake of selling this property without testing for stability or checking for harmful chemicals. Two brownfields directly to the west and east of lois and landfill has been identified and recovered. This project is directly on spruce, lois landfill. Land film in 45. Further information is available from the EPC and makes You ask the question, is landfill 45 also a brownfield? No major barrier to this project other than the fence. The Developer has persistently proclaimed they have followed the former comp plan, but they have not. We have supplied You with a number of land use directives to show You they have not. I will read a couple. Chapter 9, neighborhoods land use goals and policies. 954, Utilize single-family categories to maintain the current density and character of existing family areas. Protect areas of lowest intensity of development that are currently and predominantly single-family use that have environmental infrastructure constraint such as environmentally critical issues, end quote. This Neighborhood is environment ally critical. The other one I would like to bring to your attention and the heading on chapter 9 says Neighborhood and land use. Continue to discover and employ methods to develop in a manner that provide a more seamless and harmonious transition of land use, urban neighborhoods. And 9.3.8, Intent of The City that the new residential development project shall be minimally disrupted or adjacent areas. This is disruptive. To achieve this, The City shall possess the positive and negative impacts of residential development problems on a physical development pattern and the character of the surrounding areas and to require mitigation of negative off-site impacts. There was a -- the geophysical report that we have referred to a couple of times. This report was given to the Neighborhood to review at the last minute of the first petition. Nothing has changed. Again, the Neighborhood has been an eyewitness of what they fear most, which is the destruction of their homes. Fear that they will not be able to Age In Place and maintain their quality of life. Their homes, which already have fragile foundation are in danger of being destroyed. Many have been living with the existing damage because financially they can not do the repairs. Majority of these residents are Senior Citizens, Original Owners. In a few years, IT has been to diversify with young families being added to the mix. This area is one of the last of the missing military Neighborhood where affordable housing May be found in the Contractors that are aware of the issues. I do want to make -- bring to your attention a couple of things on the geophysical report. The scope of our services -- this is from the -- the report, I am sorry. Limitations. IT says -- and I have highlighted for You. Care should be used when operating the existing structure to avoid transmission of vibrations that could cause settlement and static mode and impact should be considered with the adjacent buildings. With this regard and the existing buildings prior to compactor vibration should be performed. The other excerpt that I have given You, the scope of our service does not include any environmental of the presence of absence of wetlands, hazardous toxic materials. They should be checked. Last hearing, the Neighborhood asked for guarantees and some kind of assurances. Their request was never answered. The meeting that You requested between the Developers still did not come up with any kind of answers. Neighborhood wants a reimbursement of damages. Please deny this petition and protect this Heritage Community.

03:14:57PM Thank you, Miss Sanchez.

03:15:00PM Next speaker, please. Do you have a waiver form?

03:15:07PM Do you have a waiver form?

03:15:10PM Start with your name. You have three minutes. I am a life-long Tampa resident. Land use goal 9.5 Of the comp plan says "maintain stability of existing areas." Lu policy 9.5.4 Says you must protect single-family areas that have environmental or infrastructure constraints. This area was a landfill. The Developer is aware of that fact. Many homes have suffered foundation issues and cracked walls. Existing homes are fragile. You heard testimony about how much money Residents have been forced to spend already. How can people afford that? Residents fear for the safety of their homes their biggest financial investments. Should the missing neighborhood be exposed to additional risk. Land use policy 9.3.8 Requires mitigation of negative offsite impacts. Mitigation. There is no world where its fear that peoples homes should be damaged by someone else with no accountability. If you break IT, you must fix IT. There was work done near my home that shook my entire house. I now have cracks that I have think was caused by IT. That activity is not a fraction of the heavy equipment that will be used on this project. If the homes are damaged, is the Developer goes to accept responsibility for their actions? During a rattlesnake point rezoning, the attorney for chemical formulators told Council that that project will build an apartment complex next to one of the most dangerous industrial uses in the country. Council was incredulous. They asked Staff, did you know about this? Staff response was, IT is not our job to decide if IT is safe. IT is City Council's job to decide IT. Lu objective 9.3 Requires redevelopment to sustain stable neighborhood and ensure the social and economic health of the city. Council needs to protect the economic health of the hard-working people of this city. Neighbors have come here over and over again, which is a tremendous burden. They love their neighborhood and are fighting tooth and nail to protect their homes. They should not have to afford the damage cause by someone else. Please protect this neighborhood.

03:17:46PM Next speaker. Anyone else wish to speak? After Robin Lockett, you will be the last speaker. I would like this point out this is where I live. This is the corner of my house. This is the edge of our property. IT is 197 feet. I measure IT this morning. They are doing work on the live local project from hell next door to me. Yesterday, when I was sitting on my -- in my office, my house shook, not once, but twice. The entire house shook. Now I have been through earthquakes in Kentucky, because the second largest fault in america runs up western Kentucky. And IT was more than an earthquake. These guys are throwing cement around. Making a mess. 197 feet. When we look at the homes that belong to some of these nice ladies who are here today, they have a setback to the four-story building of 35 feet. They have a setback to the seven-story building of 65 feet. But these lots are 50 x 122, 75 x 122. 44 feet to the back of the lot and 60 feet to the back of lot. We are talking folks have 100 feet between where they are going to have property lined them, but the thing about IT is, we are not even talk about the construction. What is happening next to my neighborhood right now is them tearing up the concrete and the asphalt next door to US. I can only imagine what these folks are going to endure. I meanmy neighbors are closer probably felt IT a whole lot more than I did. How are these folks homes going to be protected? I would -- I would remind you, once again, because half of you werent here last time. This house right here. Here is the project -- this house right here was Gwen Henderson's mothers house. IT was inhabitable. Miss Henderson said she would not allow family minutes who really didnt have Any Better Place to live to live there, because IT was not safe. And IT was safe until this building was built. Go figure. All right, now with that taken into consideration, I want to make sure -- oh, these are seven-story plywood palaces. Seven stories. Chief Tripp is here. Last time I saw her, she let me know our highest truck goes five to SIX stories. Yeah, they have sprinklers. I dont want to live on the seventh floor, I guarantee you that especially in ground that is not necessarily stable because these folks already had issues. And oh, I dont want to forget. Because this hearing, first reading go the here at 2:00 in the morning and you had a bunch of wonderful people to speak about IT, only one of which was a neighbor. All rest of them were the same people that showed up last week for the magnolia. Go figure. Anyway, lets see -- I am trying to -- I am sure -- but -- ask Chief Tripp. She is here. I mean, seriously. Whatever. [Laughter] IT is really sad when people are going to lose their homes over this. And I told Tyler Hudson a way to make sure that he is taking care of them.

03:21:24PM Thank you, Miss Poynor. Robin Lockett. Bring IT home.

03:21:34PM Start with your name, please. Hey, everybody, my name is Robin Lockett. I will pose questions to you. I support Carver City, Conans, Community, still historic. Support them. Safety concerns. I hear safety concerns. I hear sinkholes. I hear landfills. I hear that had the developer had meetings. With how many? How many people? How many people showed up to the meeting? With as IT five, was IT ten? How many people? What other mechanism did they use to get the word out to get a real conducive responses. What about them putting their money where their mouth is, and if they are really concerned about the Community, I saw things where they checked the box. If this Community is concerned what happened. Put money in a fund for them to cover anything that May happen, damages and so forth. Put money in a fund aside just for that, right. Traffic. If they are concerned about traffic -- now that -- me going over there to visit and so forth. IT is terrible trying to get out of Carver City. You have to hold your breath and try to make IT Across The Street, and cross dale mabry and spruce and everywhere else. IT is terrible doing IT. So 500 -- 1,000 more units will add more to IT. What about a traffic study? Are you asking or requiring that? I am losing my time. The study, traffic study. I mean, just support the Community, to be honest. What they are asking for. We can go in and check a box, right. Just check the box. Hey, we are saying we are putting greenery here and so forth. That aint going to do IT. If they are concern about their homes, protect the Community. Push them to protect the Community. I dont know whether this is a going to pass or not, but push them to really have a conversation with the Community, put their money where their mouth is, because the key words I am hearing is a landfill and a sinkholes. That members that things are unstable. So protect the Community. Thank you.

03:24:08PM Thank you, Miss Lockett. We had two online registered speakers who do not appear to be online. That concludes public comment. Applicant. Rebuttal. Tyler Hudson. 400 North Ashley Drive. I am the attorney for the Applicant. I have been sworn. This council inherited a comprehensive plan and a land development code that none of you wrote. None of you necessarily had that. IT is what you inherited. A lot of discussions about a lot of different topics today, there is a little different than public comment. This is different than a comprehensive plan discussion. Different than be a workshop because we swore in for a reason because this is a quasi-judicial proceeding. A quasi-judicial needs to be on competent substantial evidence. Not the first time that a project and the community has to determine if they like IT or not. There is rules what counts as evidence and what does not counsel as evidence. What procedure you follow. Is this project consistent with the comprehensive plan? This piece of land is not a single-family neighborhood. This me of land at spruce and lois is designated as rmu-100. Regional mixed use-100. Most dense in the entire city outside of downtown. Second question -- let me finish the first question, the expert staff in the Planning Commission said this project is consistent with that. We are not even using all of the far. That were lowed to with this project. Second question whether the project -- under state law, is this project consistent with the jurisdictions land development regulations. Here in Tampa you call that your land development code chapter 27. Every single department that reviewed IT found IT consistent. I will repeat that because I dont get to say that often. Every single reviewing department found this project consistent. Not easy to do. Intersecting regulations and trade-offs involved and hard to Square The Circle, but this project was able to do that. Lets talk a little bit about -- before I pivot. A lot of talk -- clearly some folks dont like this project. Some folks dont like the idea of a project here generally, but this project is exactly what your code produces. Under the charter, you are its Legislative Branch of the City Of Tampa. And if the codes and regulations that yield a projects like this fully consistent with the regulations and still dissatisfaction, issue is with the recognize regulations, not the projects that comply to them as a Legislative Branch, you have the ability to make changes to the land development code and comp plan if projects like this are not what you want to see, Florida law and the US. Law, this needs to be evaluated on the law that IT is today not how we imagine or want IT to be in the future. But something that you all can do in the future and clearly this Neighbor has some interest in further discussing that. Last thing I want at that talk about is evidence. As I said, not a new conflict Especially In Place like Florida where there is a lot of growth and growth creates a lot of challenges. And quasi-judicial proceeding, your decision needs to be made on the basis of substantial ached competent evidence. Courts has examined what that is. Here are some things that IT is not. Speculation. Assumptions. Lay testimony of things require a measure of expert knowledge, folks, seismology, geotechnic reports, things like that. All of the evidence put into this record are traffic studies showing our project generates less -- fewer trips than already approved on the site. Our site plan reviewed by every city department and agency. Planning Commission experts. Staff report. All found consistency prima fascia evidence. And on the other side none of what you hear in opposition respectfully -- you should listen to IT, but a difference between -- obviously came from the heart, the people who live in this neighborhood clearly love IT, but a difference between listening and acting. Legally, not a single thing that you heard from the opposition rise to that level of substantial, competent evidence. This is not a comp plan amendment. This is not a workshop. This is a legal proceeding. You must follow the law. You did follow the law when you approved this unanimously 7-0 at the last hearing. And I would respectfully submit that following the law leads to only one outcome, and this afternoon, and IT is doing that exact same thing again on second reading. Thank you for your time.

03:29:29PM Do Council have any questions or discussion? Hearing none. Motion to close by Council Member Viera. Seconded by Council Member Maniscalco. Council Member Viera, do you want to read this.

Luis Viera

03:29:46PM Sure. Let me make a statement as I did before. A lot of things have been said that I have tremendous respect for in my heart. And I want to speak to some things, if I May. You know, this passed 7-0 last time. I want to go over some facts and some things that we can do that I really do think we should do as Tampa City Council and as the City Of Tampa because Carver City and Lincoln Gardens are some of the most special parts in Tampa for the reasons that the people here have talked about. As was said, this was approved 7-0. We had no waivers. No staff objections. Clean report. Passed 7-0. I always say on these things. I am an attorney, and I look at a lot of things what is enforceable under the law, and I say this in a lot of hearing and I will say IT again. I dont like to write political checks that are going to bounce. If I was to -- this is Luis Viera talking on behalf of myself, and I feel if I was to change my vote on this, there will be consequences and repercussions and potential for relief by the applicant such that I would be voting against what eventually happened. And taxpayers would spend a lot of money in litigation costs and dance, the waive the case would -- I am not an attorney in land use will very likely go because of the issues that I just mentioned, right. And I dont write political checks that are going to bounce, but especially to this community. I just cant do that. Like I am -- I cant -- IT would -- that is just not me. There is a lot of issues that have been brought up. Different things like sinkholes and things like that. Obviously, you know, things that happen in development and communities, the problem is, IT havent been established through evidence, through evidence to rely on with competent and substantial evidence. I think what we should do -- and I am not the district person for Lincoln Garden and Carver City. A couple of things we should do very briefly that I wrote down is number one, do a workshop. I am willing to do a special called workshop where we only discuss Carver City and Lincoln Gardens and come on a special day. I would be 100%. Pardon my language, hell yes, to deal with public safety, mobility and protection of the community character. That is very important. Number two is, I would support a motion that says in this years budget, what specifically is going to be done for these issues, public safety, mobility, protection of the community character in the City Of Tampa budget. And then talk about land use code changes so this doesnt happen. So we are playing with different rules. I would be 110% for that. That is for me what the proper remedy is. So this is something that I dont like doing with the community out here. A very special community that I love a lot. I feel like my hands are tied on this, and I dont like IT. Mr. Chairman, thank you for let me speak from the heart with this. With that, if I May, I will read number 47 here, if I May. Ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4202 West Spruce Street in the City Of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in zoning classification rs-50 residential single-family, PD planned development to PD residential single-family providing an effective date. By The Way, if I May, to add on to that, I would love to see some of the things that I talked about today either from the Council Member in the district who works extremely hard for this community or from the city where IT happened. I would love to see that happen today if I May. That is the motion.

Alan Clendenin

03:33:47PM Council Member Viera, the last sentence multifamily, not single-family.

Martin Shelby

03:33:52PM Just for the record, a motion to adopt?

Luis Viera

03:33:55PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

03:33:56PM A motion from council member Viera. A second from --

Lynn Hurtak

03:34:05PM Second.

Alan Clendenin

03:34:06PM Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

03:34:09PM Unfortunately, I have to agree with council member Viera. There is nothing legally --

Alan Clendenin

03:34:16PM I Love The Way you phrase that. Unfortunately --

Lynn Hurtak

03:34:19PM He is a good guy, but I agree with him. This isnt -- this isnt something that is easy to do. Because the law is very clear. This is what is appropriate. And -- and unfortunately, though, I do want to correct the record for Mr. Viera, yes, we can look at land development codes, but we can not go backward. We can not take away peoples ability and the density they are allow to have. That is a state law. That has nothing to do with US. We arent allowed to take away folks' property rights. The folks that have the right have the ability to build this. Not something we can change. So I -- I -- I think IT is -- IT is one of those things that we should go out to The Community work on ways to solve traffic problems, think of stormwater. Other things for The Community. This was a good wake-up call; however, I would also say that The Community should document their homes. Should reach out and make sure that the applicants and their representatives know that -- that they share that information so that communicate if and when something happens to their homes. Unfortunately, by Florida law, we are not allowed to consider sinkholes, all of that information, when we are rezoning a property. That is not something that we can consider. My heart goes out to you, but not something we are allowed to consider under Florida law. So its -- yeah, this -- this is not a vote I like to make, but there is just No Other Way.

Alan Clendenin

03:36:19PM Any other discussion? Council member Miranda?

Charlie Miranda

03:36:23PM Yes, I just want to talk about what is around there. Target, home goods, the shoe store, the restaurant, home depot. Let me go further. 20 years or so ago, a city had a plan from Dale Mabry -- you can verify through the archives, I go he is, to Lois to Widen The Street. IT has never been done. Ditches are still there, I recall. You can do what you want and believe what you want, but in zoning, you only listen to what the facts are about the law. The law is what IT is. However, that doesnt mean that laws cant be changed. You see 3.5% To 4% left available in the City Of Tampa for available land for construction. Some what are you going to have after that? You are going to have redevelopment on the houses or buildings that are there that are removed. That is The Only Way you will get new development. So when I look at that and then I start looking at what else is available in that neighborhood from Dale Mabry to Lois. Can anybody tell me? The land owned by the City Of Tampa. What he was is there? The Redner Family started a very successful -- making beer, and they did very well. I am proud of them doing that. Neighborhood had some opposition. I was here then. But IT was settled somehow. I dont remember how, but IT worked out. So when we are looking at things and tv station in spanish, there was a post office there also. And law building on the north side of spruce headed Toward Lois Avenue. There are so many things that are being stressed on this area of the City Of Tampa. And hearing this. IT had nothing to do because like Councilwoman Hurtak said, the law is the law, and says exactly what you have to do, irregardless you condition even get to your house. They dont care if you cant get to your house or not. They want that land developed under a certain section of code that meets the criteria. Therefore, a lot of things that have to be changed. And you know what, change can be done if you just work at IT. Many years ago, you couldnt run for office unless you paid a qualifying fee. Some young guy changed that law back in the '70s. Now you can run for office by petition. Dont tell me things cannot be changed even though they are lawful. IT is incumbent on all of US to know what life is today. And everywhere you turn around, even we, the City Of Tampa, have certain amounts to do to our fire fighters an Police and other employees for mental health. To understand what life is about without getting involved and creating mental stress. And in todays society, people dont talk to each other. They text. They go on the internet. They listen to all the gossip. And they believe half of IT is true. So I am not here to create the world and change the world, but guess what, I dont do none of that. I dont care if people speak bad or good of me. I just do what I think is right. I know this has to pass because of the law, but I am going to my stick in the boot and say, I dont care what is happening. Neighborhood is very stressed out and IT can not change. So I will not be supporting IT.

Alan Clendenin

03:40:15PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

03:40:17PM I think, today, we have been presented with additional evidence from the community. And that we were not able to hear before because of the disadvantage of the -- the item going so late. And so I think that is something else about our schedule to make sure we dont do that. Since there was new evidence presented, including traffic and also land use policies, I am going to change my vote. I wish -- obviously, this space needs to be redeveloped. And IT already -- IT is intensive in a way in its use. And something has got to go there even if they go within the existing entitlements, IT generates the same issue, pile driving or whatever. Other technology they can use. I hope that especially if this passes, I hope that the Developer will work with the neighborhood to try to reduce the impact when problems are built, they use new technologies to try not to have appear impact on existing historic neighborhoods. These neighborhoods are incredibly historic in land use 9.3.9 And others so I will be voting no.

Alan Clendenin

03:41:31PM This is a tough one. I have been to this neighborhood three times with Civic Association. I hear the pain, the anguish and how much you love your homes. This is -- as Councilwoman Hurtak said, IT is a tough one, because this is different than some of our other decisions. Other decisions based on opinions and how we perceive the future of the city. This one has to be because IT is quasi judicial based on the competent and substantial evidence presented before US, so I have to be able to hang my hat on very specific evidence presented to US. We hear evidence from the Applicant, and we hear evidence from -- from yall that came up and provided testimony. And a very, very, emotionally difficult question. Councilwoman Young, would you like to speak?

Naya Young

03:42:32PM I will just say, I am not happy about IT. But I am pretty sure you can read that on My face. I am not -- I am not pleased, and I am just kind of processing My thoughts, but also understanding what the process entails. And I would just urge that --

Luis Viera

03:43:18PM I have a question? You know, strike that.

Alan Clendenin

03:43:27PM I really dont want to take this vote without Councilwoman young here.

Lynn Hurtak

03:43:35PM Did She already vote?

Alan Clendenin

03:43:39PM No, She did not.

Bill Carlson

03:43:41PM Sometimes the issue comes up if one Council Member makes a difference on the vote could make a difference if you need a fourth vote. But if IT ends up in a tie, then IT wouldnt have gone forward anyway. Usually if -- usually IT doesnt make that much difference.

Alan Clendenin

03:43:59PM Okay, Mr. Shelby? [Inaudible] Mr. Shelby, a motion and a second on the floor. Is that your legal opinion?

Martin Shelby

03:44:16PM In fact, IT will.

Alan Clendenin

03:44:17PM We have a motion and a second. Please record your vote.

Clerk

03:44:19PM Motion carried with Carlson and Miranda voting no, and Young being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

03:44:34PM Thank you. Okay. Lets take -- that was exhausting. So I am emotionally drained. Lets be back at 4:00, please.

Bill Carlson

03:44:47PM Can I say one thing?

Alan Clendenin

03:44:49PM While we are on break, implore you to look at Staff report. Way too many Staff reports on this agenda. Its one thing for US to punish ourselves and another thing to punish Staff. If we do not need Staff to here, please be prepared to let them go. If something we have to hear today or lets continue things or ask for a written report. Lets try not be here until 8:00 tonight. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

03:45:13PM Just to further my point a minute ago. Had Councilwoman Young been here 5-2 or 3-4 and wouldnt have changed the outcome anyway.

Alan Clendenin

03:45:21PM I agree. I agree. [Recess]

Charlie Miranda

04:05:20PM Here.

Naya Young

04:05:20PM Here.

Bill Carlson

04:05:21PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

04:05:22PM Here.

Clerk

04:05:23PM You have a physical quorum. I see a letter from Mr. Hudson that item number 46 be withdrawn. A motion from Council Member Maniscalco. Seconded from Council Member Viera. All in favor, say aye. Opposed. The ayes have IT. Moved to 54. Any appetite to have the second hearing?

Lynn Hurtak

04:05:43PM No, they have been waiting. I will recognize council member Viera.

Luis Viera

04:05:50PM I invited Local 754. While they come up and get ready for their presentation and I see Mr. Pearson from Local 2294, good to see you, Tim, Hillsborough County fire fighters, because we always have been back and forth on the public safety master plan as IT applies to the administration, and I want to hear the unions vision, right. And the reason I did IT at this time among other reasons is because this is political, I guess. We have elections coming up. I want to make sure that people know what are the different options out there and what are the different needs of the community as seen through the rank and file fire fighters through their unions. If I May, Mr. Chairman, hand IT out to the local.

Alan Clendenin

04:06:31PM Mr. President, say your name. Tampa Fire Fighters. Vice president Walter Hill with Tampa Fire Fighters as well. We really appreciate the opportunity after a long day and full agenda to give US an opportunity to come up here and presentfor Some history reference, in GIS study We are getting ready to touch on briefly. I know We have time constraints and given that you are packed with a full agenda, this GIS study compiled by the Iff at zero cost to the taxpayer. We took on the cost of this to be able to represent this. What We did do is all of the data We are getting ready to show is the citys data. Not our data. This is the citys data that was obtained through public records that referenced GIS and CAD. In your envelopes, you see some history reference in the beginning. And I will touch on the other things that are in your packet that We provided to you. So with that, We want to get startedif We can get on the screen. This is the -- the GIS study that We compiled, the Iff compiled. And We had asked them to compile IT for US. So That Way IT can provide some visual tools as well as some information to the public. This is a link that We can share with everybody. This is a live link that We can also update in realtime, should additional units or any other application be made to this report. On the surface, the top -- there are several tabs there, but We wont go through all of those, but We will some of the major ones. I want to direct really three main issues. I know We will get continue to k-bar ranch and We will talk of that during the travel time assessment of IT, but from the surface, want to start with staffing. Then get to travel times. Then We will get into stations. As you scroll down on this link here, you will see in 2008 in your packet, there was a recommendation from Tampa Fire Rescue to adhere to Nfpa 1710. You will hear 1710 a couple of times throughout this presentation. A national standard on Fire Department -- career fire departments and their operations. We, in 2008-2009, established a contractual provision in our collective bargaining agreement that that the city and union agree that Nfa 1710 is important. Something with the in our contract for various years. Going to this contract where there as state. There is a joint statement that a lot of the things are applicable on this. Looking at the top, IT is addressed from the International Association Of Fire Fighters, as well as the International Association Of Fire Chiefs. A labor and management joint collaboration that this memo was done. Joint from organizations that they rep and support 1710 and its initiatives. This is something again that is supported by the Iff and the International Association Of Fire Chiefs that show both are aligned nationally Nfa 1710 will go into low, medium and high hazard. We will get into that briefly. Not a new concept. This is a guided policy standard at different committees at a national and international level. Understanding on staffing, there May be funding needs. We want to touch a little bit on the funding needs with regard to staffing. In your packets, you will see in the second set of documents is -- there are the safer grant through FEMA. You will see where the City Of Tampa obtained some funding, some federal funding. Last time that occurred was in fiscal year of 2020. While IT is available every year, you will see ahead of 2020 in the recent years, you will maybe see some neighboring departments that did obtain safer grants and upward into the $8-plus million. We think that will significantly help you all particularly during budget and again that is the safer grant. As We scroll down on the GIS study, there is further information. Next link is the Nfpa fact sheet. We will transition into travel times, and I will let Walter talk of the Npfa fact sheet that will lay this structure down on what the standard is of response times and travel times. That We have, IT is very interactive. You can learn as much as you want to learn. One of the links is the Nfpa fact sheet that breaks down how 1710 works. So all you have to do is click on IT. IT will bring you to this. Essentially, 1710 is the national standard that sets expectation of a professional career Fire Department is organized and deployed. How quickly 911 calls should be processed, however quick Fire Fighters should get out the door, how long travel to the scene should take and how many Fire Fighters must arrive in a specific time frame to handle the emergency incident. Sets benchmarks that have to be met 990% of the time because in an emergency, reliability saves lives. What an adequate response in speed, staffing and operational readiness and provide an objective benchmark to measure whether We are meeting that responsibility. As you scroll through this, a safe and effective response that requires a certain number of personnel. As IT comes out in the year -- technology -- IT will show you that single-family low hazard response takes 17 Fire Fighters. As you continue to scroll, medium-hazard response 28 Fire Fighters. IT is like an apartment complex or an open strip mall. High hazard response is 43 Fire Fighters. Look at the high-rises. You cant look out a single window without finding one. Meeting response time objectives is critical component at the risk of not only the Fire Fighters but also the citizens. In this chart, IT breaks down the times that you constantly hear being referenced too. Four-minute response time is what IT says for the first two engines. To be clear, the time spent On The Road, from the time the Fire Fighters leave the station to the time they arrive at the scene. The second arriving unit is supposed to be within SIX minutes. As you see here, the low, medium and is eight minutes. And high hazard is ten minutes. Essentially, this is -- We will get into IT a little later in the slide. IT will show you where We are in relation to this travel time. You are looking for a four-minute benchmark and We will refer shortly to what our current stats are. You know, We mentioned at the top of this, you can travel to different areas of this length. If you travel -- travel to travel time. These maps are interactive. And as Walter mentioned, the four-minute or the 90-second area, Nfpa 1710 requires travel time of four minutes or less for the First Arriving Engine Company at the scene of fire incidents. And what this chart shows again not our data, but data We obtained from the city was that about 60.8% Of the time that standards were not met, meaning that four-minute standard was not met. And I want -- I want to be sure -- just stay on track. Is so when you see that 90 percentile to the left, 90% of the incidents. Simply put, ten emergency calls on nine of them, We should meet the four-minute benchmark, the 90th percentile. You go to the next slides, 90th percentile shows up again. What IT show is, again, if We have ten calls, nine should at least meet that benchmark. This is between 2020 and through 2024. There is the four-minute threshold that you see there. This is a Department travel time. Not an apparatus. This is the Department one. You will see over the course of 2020 and 2024 as time has increased from the eight minute 23 to the eight minute 50 mark. We havent had an automated system through our dispatcher or automatic vehicle locators, this is the standard metric without those instruments and without that equipment from 2020. So obviously, We see that the time has been getting longer that 2020 range. The next slide is -- IT gets broken down into its areas. Stations 1-25 are shown on that map. You know, again, meeting that four-minute threshold time, We are not seeing the units meet that. And this is just in travel time. This is from the time that the Fire Fighters leave the station to the time they arrive at the incident. Where you will note in this -- where you will note in this one is -- is mainly the longer travel times, right. As many of you know up in the New Tampa area, there is more of a geographical hurdle than there would be within the core of the city which is more of a density. Although there May be traffic on both sides of the city, you will notice that the higher ones are stations 14, which is the Palma Ceia area at over ten minutes an then stations 20, 21 and 22 -- I am sorry, 20, 21, 22, and 23 are in the k-bar ranch, New Tampa area. Station 23 and station 21 -- sorry, station 22 and station 21 in that k-bar ranch area and averaging right around the approximate of ten-minute travel time. Why these travel times are important are for various reasons. One is, you cant control where the incident arises. You cant control where that 911 call is. What is governed through policy is where the start line is, is where the unit is coming from. As units are on other calls, they May be coming from further distances which is why travel times May show what they do show. As other units are busy on other calls, other units are coming from other areas. You ask any Fire Fighter if you ever talked to one. There is not a Fire Fighter that is most excited to be first into a structure fire. From the second that call comes in, they want to be first. And they will race to get there as fast as they can. And when they get there, not only their adrenaline running and ready to put that fire out and go into that house and look for that victim, as they are doing all you have these tasks, I promise you the next thing on their mind is, where is that next unit coming from? And they are thinking that and they are thinking does the next unit -- because I know they heard IT as IT come across the radio. Do they have three people or four people? Because you are thinking of all those things. Like going to the grocery store, loading up your CART, getting home and thinking how am I going to get all these groceries inside. I wish I had these hands. I am sure if you had one set or two set of hands helping you unload the grocery, IT will get done quicker and the same concept applies here. Reduced travel times and response time are important to the public but also, too, to the Fire Fighters. I know that We showed some statistics on travel times. We did not have -- We do not have the full unit response times. We -- We do, but those are on a separate report. This link is very active and can be accessed. From a station funding context, I know two years ago from a couple of days ago. Council approved a $50 million bonding. So while We have to fund staffing through the safer grants, there Was An Avenue that was passed through $50 million of bonding to add additional fire stations and installations. We have not had an additional fire station in the city proper since arguably the '80s. Last fire station was Fire Station 23 in 2019 up in The Countyline Road up north. So this is why stations matter. And this is why We believe that continuing with your support and the administrations suport to reduce these response times are important for meeting the standards. When IT comes to saving lives, every minute matters. When IT comes to fire growth, every second counts. Every 60 second that go by, the fire continues to grow. Every ten seconds that goes by, brain deterioration continues through low oxygen on the brain. I think We are on a time constraint, and We are right at 15 minutes. In short, in conclusion, the Npa 1710 calls for a minimum of four-person apparatus fire response and creates for a safer environment, quicker response time, workload on the Fire Fighters, as well as being able to provide more for the community. As We continue to see cities within themselves grow whether IT Was Water Street, Gasworx, the seven-story building or as such and all the other things have grown in the city, We are seeing cities grown within themselves. And I know you have heard that ad nauseam, but IT has a direct impact each time that something is developed. And that these response times are cure for. So We are available for any questions.

04:21:49PM Recognize council member Viera.

Luis Viera

04:21:51PM Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to thank you guys for that. I mean, that -- I take a look at these charts that were given. I really would like -- so -- is this on? So in terms of -- I remember back 2019, you guys did a public safety master plan. As we call IT today and Joe Greco handing IT out. When I look at these charts, especially on the response times for each station. To quote the cars, just what I needed, you know what I mean. Couple of things I wanted to point out for the public safety master plan. Wanted to remind Council that I did a motion. We will have a report back from Legal of the feasibility of an ordinance mandating a joint public safety master plan and we will see what we are able to do on that. And review a few things. Number one, some things of the stations, that four out of the five stations in the City Of Tampa with the longest response times. Four come from New Tampa, right. Four come from New Tampa. By The Way, they are close to other areas of the city. IT is not like IT is something that is far away, but IT is big and especially the k-bar ranch area. Not the number of cars, but rather response times. I look at other areas. I know with station 9 we are making, I believe, progress with real estate and the moving of the Fleet Maintenance facility and hope hopefully expanding station 9. Something that is so very critical. Hear of so much workforce housing in West Tampa, what are we doing to expand fire service out there. That is very important. I am not going to mention baseball. Ask the rays to meet with the Police Benevolent. If we are here and welcome a major league baseball team and not get to where we should be in Tampa when IT comes to fire installation, and I think Council also thinks we should be at, we have got to do our work in that regard. I think that is very have very important. Palma Ceia, I will talk about that what we can do in the abouting this year. I would love to support something if Councilman Carlson brought something up for -- for that in the budget would truly support that downtown. I say these things on how -- on how we need more fire stations and I always remind people that I try to -- and a lot of people disagree with this, but I try to propose a revenue source for this. Not a guy that says we need to do all these things and make IT happen. Hey, lets raise taxes just a little bit because I think the public, Republicans and Democrats, will be okay with paying a dollar amount, and if that means that cops and fire fighters do their jobs better in protecting US, I have no problem saying that at all. I do think IT is important when IT comes to public safety, and we look at the budget. I am going to be seeking in the City Of Tampa budget not with fire, but money set aside for whoever Takes My Place in district 7 for a substation presence for Tampa Police Department, something there. But we should look at this budget. And making some sort of presence known, whether its in Palma Ceia. I say that because, you know, doing a lot of is IT you have in North Tampa, I know we have got to do more, but Palma Ceia. We cant forget about our friends there and downtown Tampa with expansion of fire station 1. Or taking a look at some sort of fire station rescue presence in the channelside area. Something we talked about for a long time. Again, in closing, folks, the reason I did this because I want these stats to scream at US especially for the next election. Because I want to make sure that Local 754 -- and I know you guys will -- hold peoples feet to the fire whether Mayor, City Council, Dogcatcher on fire stations. That is important. I know you will all will do IT but I want the folks see IT with their own two eyes.

Alan Clendenin

04:25:48PM Thank you, Council Member Viera. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

04:25:53PM Just quickly. In a month, one of US will be gone. In a year, two of US will be gone. I think You have full support or at least majority support for whatever You all want to do and what You think is best on many issue related to fire, the Administration obviously disagrees. I think IT would be worthwhile, aside from the public safety master plan that had the Administration is doing, I think IT will be a good idea for You have all to come up with a list of what You think will be priority. And then try to build consensus with this group as IT stand now so that after the next election, You guys can go to the next City Council and say, hey, the last City Council approved this as an aspirational list, not an a comprehensive plan but aspirational list and learning curve for all the new people who are on the board.

Alan Clendenin

04:26:47PM Council Member Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

04:26:48PM Thank you very much. I am not against you. I am for you. But some things were said that make my hair grow again. Make IT what IT is. Sports and sports and sports. I am not anti-sport.

Alan Clendenin

04:27:01PM Oh, Lord, here we go.

Charlie Miranda

04:27:03PM Mr. Viera started IT. Name one sport that pays Ad Valorem Tax, one? I dont see no hands going up. You want to charge public a dollar more, and I am for that, but you dont want to pay tax. Raise your hand if you dont pay tax? I dont see no hands go up raise your hand if you pay tax. All of you do. Why should I exempt them? Any which is to doesnt play Ad Valorem Tax, absolutely not. I dont know what glamour is. I love sports. Greatest things in the world for kid to get involved and open your mind of winning and losing and that kind of stuff, but I never, ever voted for one.

Alan Clendenin

04:27:53PM Council Member Miranda, back to the agenda item.

Charlie Miranda

04:28:01PM Station 9 which I know very well in West Tampa. They couldnt get to the stadium and to my house in nine minutes if you gave them a head start on game day. An hour and a half before the game and an hour and a half after the game, you can not enter West Tampa, whether you have a siren, a Fire Department, a Police Department. You cant. And more incidents happen on -- on macdill between MLK And Columbus Drive on game day than all year long on one game alone. More accidents. I can tell you, I have been hit twice. Not me, the car. So what I am saying is, they tried to get me, but I was in the car. I am only joking.

Alan Clendenin

04:28:46PM I missed.

Charlie Miranda

04:28:47PM Mr. Chairman wants to get the best of me and I will let him for a little bit. What I am saying is the response time is not good because the traffic is terrible. Not that you dont need station, the traffic -- you cant -- I dont care if you have a jet engine and a fire engine you are not going to get there in four minutes. That is my opinion. I am for you. What are we going to do? Change the mode of transportation in the City Of Tampa by putting light rail overhead. But yet we dont want to do that and expand the expressway to be stuck in traffic. I known Mr. Chairman, you dont want me to speak that much. But I will say the truth. Thats IT.

Alan Clendenin

04:29:29PM Thank you, council member Miranda. You know next time I will aim better with my car.

Charlie Miranda

04:29:34PM Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

04:29:35PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

04:29:36PM Sounds like we need a fire helicopter?

Alan Clendenin

04:29:39PM Oh, My Lord. I think I have seen that Saturday morning cartoon. Is IT "Paw Patrol?"

Lynn Hurtak

04:29:48PM Speaking of "Paw Patrol" sound like council member Viera, you are recommending a Dalmatian in every firehouse. You said Dogcatcher. I dont know. [Laughter]

Alan Clendenin

04:30:00PM I second that.

Lynn Hurtak

04:30:01PM I appreciate you bringing statistics. Nothing better than a visual. And I think this really shows, you know, what We need to do and why. You all are just constantly asking for more. I am -- this highlights for me the importance of station 24 and why -- while they have improved the timeline by 35 day, that is simply not enough. This is very sobering and I think this is very necessary and I appreciate IT. Thank you for bringing IT. Thank you for putting IT on the screen. Absolutely share this web site with US, with everyone. Everywhere you can put IT out, socials, whatever. I think this is one of those things people need the opportunity to dig through. The public as well. And so they know how to advocate for you. So I really appreciate this. I am glad. Also, you know, We have a -- We do have a budget workshop for 2027 coming up on March 3 that evening. Dont miss IT. I know you wont.

Alan Clendenin

04:31:13PM Be there or be square.

Lynn Hurtak

04:31:16PM This is that time to talk about that. I know We will talk about IT anyway and making sure that as We look at 2027, We start to consider what We want and what this community wants, that is always on our agenda. So thank you.

Alan Clendenin

04:31:30PM I think you know you have of a 754 friendly Council. We support the men and women that stand and protect the City Of Tampa. And we have spoken with our votes on your issue. We spoken with the City Of Tampa on your issues and Councilwoman Hurtak alluded to the timing of getting these projects rolled out is just extraordinary frustrating. Everything is so slow. I am hoping in the coming years whatever is needed to expedite that, I dont know what IT look like. We are lowly Council persons that pass these things and administration is one that makes these things happen. But Way too slow for local government. I worked for the Federal Government for 30 years. Billions of dollars worth of projects done in half the time. And I get that the staff and that we have a lot of pressure CH you arewe Have less staff now than we have in historic times, but we have people who are working in positions that are doing multiple jobs and positions. They are covering, you know, different -- different -- way too much Work For Way too many people. How is that. So we got to solve That One Way or other because these projects have go the to get out of the ground and moving forward. Otherwise, the city is going to move on without US, One Way or the other. Private Sector is building and people are moving here and we got to keep up. Again, you got a fire and police-friendly Council here. We are working with you guys to get you what you guys need. Councilwoman Young, I saw your light come on.

Naya Young

04:33:06PM To echo all the council members, one, thank you so much for bringing this board. Councilwoman Hurtak, you said nothing better than a visual. And just looking at this. I had the opportunity to visit Station 18, and im looking at the time and remember being there and there was just a map at the front and where the station with as located in the area that they cover and IT was quite large. And, you know, one of the driver -- I forgot his name. He was just telling me sometimes if they are somewhere and responsing to an emergency, and fire station from somewhere else has to come. And just -- but just seeing on the map how big the area is. And we were there for two hours. Times we were there, Paramedics were gone the whole time. Them didnt get back until we were leaving because when they got there, they were at an emergency and take the person to Tampa general wherever they had to take them. They didnt come back until we were about to leave. Again, nothing better than visual, but actually seeing these, you know, response times and -- and part of our job is Public Safety. This is Public Safety making sure people are safe. I appreciate doing the work and bringing IT forward to US. I agree with your sentiments, Chair Clendenin. One of the things I learned since I am new. Why does everything take so long. But I am hoping that we are able to move things quicker. Thank you, all.

Alan Clendenin

04:34:40PM Thank you, Nick, Walter. Chief Tripp, I know you are standing by and a presentation just on 754. Council will be happy to entertain your presentation in another time. We are running behind and move past this agenda item now. Council Persons, I would like to try to clear some of this agenda and let some staff go if we can. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

04:35:00PM As far as 50 and 51 go, we heard clearly that T-Tag is fine with moving the money back to the Tree Trust Fund. So my motion is to take items 50 and 51 and have them come back again with substitute resolution that comes from the Tree Trust Fund, the $125,000. At the next available -- however long that is going to take.

Alan Clendenin

04:35:30PM Put that on the consent agenda.

Lynn Hurtak

04:35:32PM That can be on consent agenda in two weeks which will be March 5.

Martin Shelby

04:35:37PM Question, if I can.

Alan Clendenin

04:35:40PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

04:35:41PM Coming back in two weeks and not been done. Deadline is tomorrow.

Lynn Hurtak

04:35:45PM They kind of already done IT because we asked Them to come back with the substitute. They can come back with the original. In They have a problem, They can reach out. But Kayla, give me a thumbs up if that is cool.

Alan Clendenin

04:36:05PM Motion and second by council member Maniscalco.

Lynn Hurtak

04:36:10PM 50 and 51.

Alan Clendenin

04:36:15PM What else can we clear from the agenda?

Martin Shelby

04:36:19PM 62 was continued.

Lynn Hurtak

04:36:21PM Already done.

Guido Maniscalco

04:36:23PM Stormwater master plan.

Alan Clendenin

04:36:28PM We have to keep that one.

Martin Shelby

04:36:30PM 52 and 53 with no staff but big ticket eye.

Lynn Hurtak

04:36:37PM Receive and file --

Martin Shelby

04:36:41PM I think You have to move them.

Lynn Hurtak

04:36:43PM Move 52 and 53. Thats IT.

Alan Clendenin

04:36:45PM A motion from councilwoman Hurtak to move 52 and 53. Seconded from council member Maniscalco. All in favor, say aye. Opposed. Ayes have IT.

Guido Maniscalco

04:36:55PM 55?

Lynn Hurtak

04:36:57PM That is important.

Alan Clendenin

04:36:59PM Let me say this before We continue this. We are backed up on agendas. You see all of our agendas are full for the next couple of month. Anybody want to entertain adding a special called meeting?

Lynn Hurtak

04:37:11PM Sure.

Charlie Miranda

04:37:12PM Should be on tuesdays.

Guido Maniscalco

04:37:17PM Tuesdays are fine.

Lynn Hurtak

04:37:18PM Lets pull up the calendars.

Alan Clendenin

04:37:21PM St. Patrick's Day, the 17th.

Martin Shelby

04:37:32PM Before You pick a date, I want specifically what You want that meeting to be.

Alan Clendenin

04:37:39PM Special called regular council meeting. Whats that? What is IT?

Lynn Hurtak

04:37:46PM That far in advance.

Bill Carlson

04:37:49PM Just said We are up against deadlines already. If IT comes up sooner, then We can --

Guido Maniscalco

04:38:00PM We havent decided on the date yet.

Alan Clendenin

04:38:02PM March 24.

Lynn Hurtak

04:38:05PM I can do that.

Alan Clendenin

04:38:06PM Tuesday, March 24. Is the Council Chambers open from 9 to 3?

Martin Shelby

04:38:17PM Pardon, what did you say?

Lynn Hurtak

04:38:25PM March 24. March 24 is weigh in advance.

Luis Viera

04:38:33PM May I, Mr. Chair. Somebody said April 7. I apologize. I thought IT was in the evening. In the day, I can make that work.

Alan Clendenin

04:38:40PM Does April 7 work?

Lynn Hurtak

04:38:47PM Is March 24 -- the barrio at night?

No, at 9

04:38:52PM 00 in the morning.

Alan Clendenin

04:38:55PM How long do their meetings last?

Bill Carlson

04:39:00PM I think IT is better to give US more time.

Martin Shelby

04:39:08PM Mr. Chairman --

Lynn Hurtak

04:39:11PM What are we moving.

Alan Clendenin

04:39:12PM The schedules are packed, and We will have a lot of long meetings if We dont spread some around.

Martin Shelby

04:39:20PM I see, a placeholder for a specially called meeting.

Alan Clendenin

04:39:26PM We can move things around -- so We dont have these lengthy awful meetings.

Lynn Hurtak

04:39:32PM So the only thing that We have on the 7th is actually a press conference for US for the CRA for the Herman Massey. So We just need --

Bill Carlson

04:39:43PM Sounds like the city is trying to make IT their press conference, By The Way.

Lynn Hurtak

04:39:47PM But --

Alan Clendenin

04:39:49PM Lets go beyond that.

Martin Shelby

04:39:51PM What time is that press conference?

Lynn Hurtak

04:39:53PM Two Of Them for 10:30 and 2:30.

Alan Clendenin

04:39:59PM Tuesday, March 31.

Lynn Hurtak

04:40:01PM I am packed. Yeah. 24th will be great. 7th is fine.

Alan Clendenin

04:40:08PM March 24.

Lynn Hurtak

04:40:10PM He cant do the 24th. 7th is fine.

Alan Clendenin

04:40:14PM Schedule a regular City Council specially called meeting April 7 from 9 am. To 3 pm. As a placeholder. If we can continue to those meetings if we would like. Council Member Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

04:40:29PM 9 to 3:00. Have lunch or not.

Alan Clendenin

04:40:34PM Probably not.

Lynn Hurtak

04:40:35PM I cant do that.

Alan Clendenin

04:40:37PM We will have lunch. 900 to 3:00 will end up being 9:00 to 5:00.

Lynn Hurtak

04:40:43PM We say 9:00. Dont put an ending on IT.

04:40:47PM April 7.

Martin Shelby

04:40:51PM April 7, 9:00 to 3:00.

Alan Clendenin

04:40:54PM 900 without an end time.

Martin Shelby

04:40:58PM Mr. Chair, I will make a request for that special called meeting. Special call, no presentations, no ceremonial and no off-agenda public comments.

Alan Clendenin

04:41:09PM We will get back to you on that.

Lynn Hurtak

04:41:11PM I am happy with the ceremonials and presentations, but I dont want to police public comment. That is impossible. And you just make people mad.

Alan Clendenin

04:41:20PM Lets get back to you with that. We will talk off-line an figure out a procedure.

Lynn Hurtak

04:41:27PM You two can talk off-line.

Alan Clendenin

04:41:31PM Okay, April for the record, April 7 at 9 am. Start time. Regular session, special called meeting in Tampa City Council chambers. And we will have to clear that schedule. Okay, very good. Sam, I hope my calendar is free.

Martin Shelby

04:41:48PM That will be -- that will be a week -- Council, just so you know. That will be a week where the only thing that you have that afternoon -- excuse me that Thursday is a CRA meeting and a night meeting that night. So IT is not a week that you have two special -- two regular meetings in the same week. Okay, thank you.

Guido Maniscalco

04:42:10PM Do you need a second? Who made the motion?

Lynn Hurtak

04:42:12PM I will make a motion.

Alan Clendenin

04:42:16PM A motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Seconded from Council member Maniscalco. All in favor, say aye. Ayes have IT. Very good. Staff reports. Anything we can move to that meeting or another meeting? [Inaudible] the meeting, create an ordinance in our rule that requires that City departments that buy services from each other have to have an agreement approved by Council in advance. Problem with this tree issue on the water is not that anybody did anything wrong, but that the rules and price should be clearly delineated in advance and agreed by Council before the transfer. I am not talking of all transfers, but when -- when the department are buying services from each other or funding each others services, then that agreement should come in advance. So I will make a motion of new business.

04:43:14PM In new business. We will need a motion to receive and file. Motion to receive and file from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from council member Viera. All in favor, say aye. Opposed, ayes have IT.

Martin Shelby

04:43:28PM Number 58?

Alan Clendenin

04:43:30PM 58, yes. I mean, anybody want to continue for a lighter day?

Lynn Hurtak

04:43:41PM The land development code is kind of important, and We need to get that going. We need to approve that so IT can get to the Planning Commission to come back to US. I hate to say IT, all this stuff is --

Alan Clendenin

04:43:52PM Honestly, can -- will they need a motion for US on that?

Lynn Hurtak

04:43:57PM Yes, but We need to be reminded quickly of what those things are. IT look like We dont have room on --

Alan Clendenin

04:44:07PM These agendas are packed.

Lynn Hurtak

04:44:08PM Thats not true -- I have a couple of motions later to do some stuff.

Alan Clendenin

04:44:13PM April starts to open up.

Luis Viera

4:44:17PM I would suggest We do consent agenda, before We do staff reports and then People can pick.

Alan Clendenin

4:44:24PM I was trying to pick the low-hanging fruit. I think we already picked IT. Lets go to the consent agenda real quick. Public Safety, Councilman Viera, can you move 5-9?

Luis Viera

4:44:37PM Yes, Sir, move 5-9.

Alan Clendenin

4:44:39PM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. 10 was pulled for discussion.

Lynn Hurtak

4:44:47PM Its not discussion. I just have to say IT, there are very few things that wake me up at night anymore with this job. You get used to making hard decisions. This one I was up at 6:15 and I went for a run. You have to understand I am not a morning person to know how stressed I am about this vote. Everything weve seen in minneapolis specifically I have a lot of friends and family there. IT has been very emotional to watch. Flock cameras have played a large part in that in whats going on up there. Im having a very hard time approving anything that has to do with flock in our city. I know weve already done so with license plate readers, but I also have the ordinances from legal that clearly say that recorded video or photographs collected as part of a speed detection system in a school zone May only be used to document school zone speed infractions, and any recorded video or photograph obtained via speed detection system must be destroyed within 90 days. Its in accordance with Florida state law. But my question to the wonderful legal team at the Police Department, what happens if state law changes? I know Ms. Newcomb is here to talk about that, if necessary. Ms. Newcomb, this is such a hard issue for me. Ms. Newcomb, could you speak to what happens if a state statute changes? Behalf of the city. First of all, I want to make sure -- I think most of the Council is aware that there was a memo that was filed on the 17th that specifically addressed flock cameras and cleared up any confusion, that flock cameras or no license plate cameras will be integrated with these school zone speed cameras. Thats not something that I believe by state law or by your ordinance would be permitted. That should be a nonissue. To your question specifically, Councilwoman, I believe that -- I believe that its prohibited by Florida statute. But if that Florida statute were to go away, the initial ordinance that you all passed in January of 2024 allowing for the school zone camera program mirrored the language in that Florida statute, so its my position that this City Council has adopted that language, so even if the Florida statute were to go away, we would still have to operate under the ordinance. I think its 24 -- im sorry, 14-56 from January of 2024. So that enabling ordinance for the school zone safety camera program prohibits the same thing Florida statutes. As long as you dont repeal that, that would be the law that we would be operating under. And to be clear, these are for school zone safety purposes for documenting speeding in school zones. And that is the primary purpose. And we really would like Council to approve this program so we can improve the safety in school zones.

4:48:05PM I just want to say thank you for that. That is why even with the stress I have with this, the school safety is so important. But so is the trust that the Police Department has with the public which is why I wanted you to talk about this today, because trust matters. And we trust that what is in this ordinance is what will happen. We have to believe -- we have to have that trust. I do have that trust with you and your team and with Chief Bercaw. I will support this, but I just want the public to know that I really thought a lot about this. I dont like flock. Im worried about what is coming in our country, but the safeguards around IT and the importance of the school zones at this point outweigh IT for me.

Alan Clendenin

4:49:02PM Councilman Maniscalco, Viera, Carlson.

Guido Maniscalco

4:49:05PM Thank you very much. I was up at 3:16 am. Looking at IT.

Alan Clendenin

4:49:08PM I didnt go to bed last night! [ laughter

Guido Maniscalco

4:49:14PM But I went to bed at 7 because I felt terrible. My question was, on Tampa Bay Boulevard and macdill, theres Tampa Bay Boulevard elementary and there is a sign that has -- you know, IT is a school zone but a sign that says during these hours. Will these cameras operate during those said hours? Its like 7:30 am. To 2:10 pm., Something like that. And then two lines. I took a picture. Because weve seen e-mails and other correspondence that said these are going to be operating 24/7. Are they deactivated or inactive in the outside hours that are posted? Correct me if I say IT wrong. My understanding is the cameras will only be operating during the period that is displayed by a sign in the school zone area. Part of the reason that we want to go with this company is because they are the same company in Hillsborough County. We want IT to be as consistent as IT can be in terms of going from school zone to school zone because IT is confusing for the public in terms of the time. Its my understanding they will be operating not 24 hours a day but during a specific time period and that time period will be marked by signage in the school zone. Is that accurate?

4:50:29PM My Wife had a question and IT was -- shes not sworn in -- whatever the flash, when the light is flashing, you are at the speed limit for that time period. Will there be a flashing light as well? Because that is a long time for the light to flash. Its a six-hour window.

4:50:57PM People will say the light wasnt flashing. The school day is beginning. Is now going to allow US to start installing the cameras before the program goes live, built in minimum 30-day education period, so We already kind of did that where We have a website and answer the FAQ questions very specifically because there are specific questions. I didnt review that for today, so I didnt want to give you the wrong answer. What I can tell you is those questions will be answered in a Public Way for 30 days and a 30 day period where People are not going to get a citation so everyone can become familiar With The Way IT works.

Lynn Hurtak

4:51:41PM I think what your Wife is asking, the sign doesnt say 8 to 2. The sign says 7:15 to 8:30 and then 2:30 to 3:30 for the afternoon. So IT would only be during those times.

Guido Maniscalco

4:51:57PM No. Ill get the picture. We have someone who can go. Part of this is, if the contract is approved, then the Company works with Mobility and with TPD and they go out and do measurements and make sure everything is appropriate before we actually turn IT on. Thats why there has been some period of delay because theres been some confusion with what the requirements are, but then we need to make sure we meet the requirement before we say were ready to go. And then a 30 day period where the public gets educated about what all of these rules are before anyone would get issued a ticket. But IT is pretty complicated, yes.

Luis Viera

4:52:36PM Ive had discussions with staff on this, obviously. This is something for Schools and for safety of kids. Its good, but I really appreciate the discussion because the public asking questions about ice., The things, as Councilwoman Hurtak, I appreciate her sentiments on whats happening in minneapolis right now. And we want to make sure that to the extent we can protect our people from things like that happening, that we do. Thats not something involved with this at all, right? Zone cameras May not be used for remote surveillance, and that they May not be essentially integrated. Thats how we interpret that. Cant be integrated with any other type of camera for any other purpose. So that is how we interpret the statute. Thats why your language and the ordinance and the statute is appropriate.

4:53:37PM What I was saying was that IT is appropriate for people to ask these questions on something like this, and you have great answers that I think put my mind and my heart at rest, which is this is something solely go for protection of children and public safety and issues like that. Again, there are a lot of things happening in the Federal Government that hurt me a lot. The one that hurts me a lot, the deepest park, Hispanic and son of cuban refugees, what is happening with immigration, three-quarters of a million people protected by Tps a year ago and now are classified as illegal immigrants. We joke in Florida about them being chased by alligators and alligator alcatraz, and that really hurts me. Thats why I really appreciate everybody from TPD talking about this issue. Again, this is the right thing to do. Thats all. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

4:54:38PM Hey, breaking news, Team USA womens hockey just beat Canada to win gold.

Charlie Miranda

4:54:47PM Best news I heard all of City Council day.

Alan Clendenin

4:54:52PM Can we explain these hours and how IT works?

4:55:03PM Cttv, can you put the wolf on the public monitors, please?

Guido Maniscalco

4:55:10PM This is on Tampa Bay Boulevard as you approach macdill and IT goes into a school zone. See how the hours are 6:40 am. To 2:25 pm. Its most of the school day. Jim Riser, Tampa Police Department. I will be the program coordinator. The Way the signs were laid out before the school zone program, you saw different times in the morning, May see 7:30 to 8:15, thats before the cameras came into law. As these cameras get deployed, all the start times are going to be verified. The current Law The Way IT sits, 30 minutes before a breakfast program and 30 minutes after school, the cameras can run. The difference is, theres going to be two speed profiles outlined in the cameras. When the flashers are active, that means the slow speed zone is in effect. And at that time, IT is the lower speed limit. Lets say you have a 30 miles per hour roadway and the slow speed is in effect with the flashers at 15, the citations and notice of violations will be issued for anything 11 and over the speed limit. We are giving People a little bit of leeway there. Thats The Way the state law is written. Not our choice. Thats by state statute. When the flashers go off in the morning, say they go off at 8:15 and dont come on again until 2:45 at the end of the school day, IT is for the regular speed limit. Go back to 30 miles an hour. At that time, 41 or higher, IT will issue a violation. When the lights come on in the afternoon, IT goes back down to the lower speed limit. Whats key on this, this has been a big controversy across the state and were trying to do everything we can to avoid that is by public messaging. Im sure if this contract is approved today, well work with our vendor and make sure that the public messaging is put out. People are aware of the law so we have the 30-day warning period that well be able to evaluate the violations, public education before we start actually issuing violations that are going to cost People money. Notice of violation, uniform traffic ticket.

Alan Clendenin

4:57:17PM 800 at night, will someone get a ticket? Not from the camera. At the end of the school day and on the weekends and on school holidays or like a Teacher work day where there are no Students, Students have to be present on campus for those speed cameras to work.

4:57:39PM You are getting real-time information from Hillsborough County schools and they are able to be remotely programmed. We verify those are in effect, and its going to be actually visiting the school because what We found out is some of these schools have a little bit of adjustment in when they can actually start their bell and end IT at the end of the day. But were going to visit these schools and make sure the times are correct and then the Vendor will assist in programming cameras to go to those enforcement times that We find. And they are going to match the yellow lights. Now, once -- lets say a yellow light comes on at 7:30 in the morning and somebody immediately drives on and that flasher activates, there will be a two-minute lag time for traffic to clear that before IT actually starts capturing violations. Were trying to be as fair as We can to the public and transparent to make sure We are capturing the violations correctly.

4:58:40PM What about the fluidity of like a hurricane day? Is. If they say there will be no school on this Thursday, Friday, if violations do happen to get captured and sent to US, that will be my teams responsibility to make sure they do not get approved and they are dismissed.

Bill Carlson

4:58:59PM Just a couple of preference comments and then questions. First of all, I have three kids and two of them are still in school. One of them had to take the bus home today and just now texted me and said he made IT safely. Every day im like every parent, im worried about my kids Crossing The Road because there arent enough sidewalks and crosswalks, even though were pushing for IT. The other thing is, online, this has been presented kind of as a Democratic issue and Democrats being against US, but a fair number of Republicans contact me that they are against IT. Like maybe bipartisan support and bipartisan opposition. But one of the things sent to me last night, so I wasnt able to ask you, but at the end of this, for legal, at the end of the law, IT says recorded video or photographs collected as part of a speed detection system in a school zone May only be used to document violations of 316.1895 And 316.183 And for purposes of determining criminal or civil liability for incidents captured by the speed detection system incidental to the permissible of the speed detection system. Assuming that thats still valid, IT seems like there are a lot of caveats in there. Incidental. Criminal and civil. If somebody gets in an accident, two parties are in an accident, could be used for civil liability. And anything incidental to this, of course, we want to protect everyone, but what potential side effects could be just in the last sentence of the law. 2023. I havent seen any cases. In the City Of Tampa we dont have the cameras so this issue hasnt come up. But my understanding is you have to look at IT that the beginning of that statute says a speed detection system in a school zone May not be used for remote surveillance. What that means is there is not a person, a Police Officer watching a live feed. Theres not a live feed of cars going through the school zone. So thats what that means. Thats why when there was the question about this potentially being integrated with license plate cameras, its our legal opinion that that cannot be done in Florida based upon the language of the statute. The portion that you referred to seems like its an exception to the general rule that this can only be used for this purpose. The Way I understand, IT hasnt happened or hasnt worked yet, have to be requested and then determined if because when you go down to the second part, the records are destroyed within 90 days of the actual event. If theres not an event which would be defined as a speeding event, May not be a record. If there was a speeding event captured and lets say when the speeding event was captured immediately before, immediately after there was a car accident and someone is suing someone In Civil Court, if they want to try and get that record, I think thats what IT is written for. Its possible, but IT would also depend on the time frame and then going on top of that, theres other Florida statute, section 119, our public records law that also goes on top of that that we would have to examine to see who actually could have access to those records. That is the best answer I can give at this time.

5:02:24PM The last sentence just gives me a lot of concern, especially that the Legislature can change IT at any time. One other question, talk about safety, im driving through school zones all the time, probably like everybody, but im dropping at least one of my kids off every day and driving through the school zones. What I notice is the signs are just not sufficient. The signs arent big enough. They are not flashing lights. Not illuminated. The first step in a lot of areas is mobility will put out the radar gun with a flashing sign to say how fast you are going. A lot of school zones theres none of that. People dont see the signs. Sometimes when I slow down people are honking the horn because they dont understand IT is there. Are there any studies not done by vendors that show putting more robust signs and flashing lights are any less effective than writing people tickets? Even though IT will generate 15 million or 17 million for the city, thats coming out of the pockets of our residents who already feel overtaxed. Wouldnt IT be better just to try to prevent safety problems by putting flashing lights and bigger signs up? Passed by the Florida Legislature and then an ordinance was passed by City Council allowing US to use. This is an additional safety tool in addition to regular law enforcement, in addition to signage. To answer your question, Councilman, im not aware of that city because thats outside of the scope of today. What I can tell you as part of this process and part of why IT takes so long, in conjunction with the vendor, with mobility, with our TPD, they go out and assess the signage. If the signs are inappropriate or not in the right areas or just dont work, those are things that are going to be replaced and done in order to make the program work effectively. And then this is something that can be changed by Council and can be expanded if you look at the success of IT and then look at what schools -- you approved I think IT was 12 or 13 schools initially. You could change your mind and add some schools to that, depending on how this turns out. A lot of this is to be determined. Additional safety studies are something that could be done. I just havent looked at them for purposes of today.

5:04:43PM Maybe We ought to get mobility to talk about how We can make the signs bigger and add flashing lights around the schools.

Charlie Miranda

5:04:51PM First of all, the sign is nice, but when you only say Monday to 1:30 but the top one doesnt say any days, people are going to have to read that and say what does that mean? Not everybody can think like you and I can. Im not the smartest guy in the world. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in small letters or something so you cover yourself in case somebody said, well, you only said Monday. Im just thinking outside the box and what somebody May say and im not a lawyer. The next question is this, can a Private Citizen have their own camera in front of their house that rotates and catch everybody license plate? -- private citizens arent subject to the same constitutional regulations as the Government is. The general rule is, if you are in public, then you have no right to privacy. If you are driving your car in public, generally anyone, including the Government, including anyone behind you, people have cameras in their vehicles and are recording themselves driving. Legally, generally in a public area, thats not an issue. Of course, there are exceptions. In a public area, theres generally no problem with that.

5:06:05PM Have one on top of your car, front porch that catches everything that comes by. Thank you, Government.

Alan Clendenin

5:06:13PM Councilwoman young.

Naya Young

5:06:16PM Two questions. Is IT possible that we can get like an annual report of the cameras, how they are working, how IT is reducing the speed, how many warnings or citations, what is the total fine, revenue coming from the cameras? I think thats required by the statute. Yes, you will get a written report and then I think we are required to come and give a presentation to City Council. So yes, maam.

5:06:45PM Do we know -- I dont know, maybe I missed this -- where -- the money generated from the citations, what IT will be used for? District specific? How will that work? Percentage that comes to the City. From the percentage that comes to the City, I believe that after we pay the Vendor a percentage, then there are some -- $40 goes to the state, IT goes to the State Department Of Revenue. Some goes to the School District for use for school security initiatives. Some transportation. This is the State Fund. And our fee goes some to the City and some to the Vendor and then part of our fee I think is required to be used for safety initiatives. And then I think part of the other fee is maybe allowed to go straight to the General Fund. Also a portion designated for crossing guards.

5:07:45PM This is all in writing? Our materials.

Alan Clendenin

5:07:49PM Councilwoman Hurtak, and youll be the last speaker on this item.

Lynn Hurtak

5:07:50PM Yeah, I just wanted to reply to Councilwoman Young on this, too. When Mr. Rogero showed US the extra money left over from FY '25, remember there was 4.5 Million that was supposed to be from these school cameras, but because the former company wasnt able to get started, thats why we didnt get. So 4.5 Million I think is what we were projected to get at least, and that would be general fund money. So, yeah, well have a bite at that apple, I suppose. All I wanted to say is that speeding, I agree, its hard to get people to do the speed limit, but its mainly societal. I will issue the same challenge that I issue to people all the time. I have started going the speed limit. IT is probably one of the scariest things ive ever done, but its the law. Ive almost gotten rear-ended. Now that I do a lot of ride-alongs with TPD, I stop at every stop bar with a hard stop because im told thats what I have to do. Ive already gotten rear-ended so many times because I follow the law. You really have to think about IT. IT is a societal thing. All IT takes is more of US to start doing that. Im just going to issue a plea. Follow the rules.

Alan Clendenin

5:09:17PM Ive voted against every one of these. I dont like Government having the same technology.

Charlie Miranda

5:09:26PM If I remember, this has come before Council before.

Alan Clendenin

5:09:30PM I will concede -- this is where public comment works. Weve been inundated with public comment in support of this project. And who am I to stand in front of what people want? Seems like overwhelming support for the process, so I will be voting in the affirmative. Councilman Viera, would you please move this resolution?

Luis Viera

5:09:50PM Move the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

5:09:51PM Motion from Councilman Viera, second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed?

5:10:02PM Carlson voted nay.

The Clerk

5:10:08PM Motion carried unanimously. Sorry. Motion carried with Carlson voting no. Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

5:10:15PM Neighborhood and community.

Naya Young

5:10:26PM I move items 11-23.

Alan Clendenin

5:10:30PM Motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT unanimously. Infrastructure Committee, items 24 through 26. Councilman Guido Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

5:10:43PM I move items 24 through 26.

Alan Clendenin

5:10:45PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Martin Shelby

5:11:03PM You are about to take up the Finance Committee? What im going to ask because that didnt appear on the agenda, is im going to ask when Councilman Miranda does move these and then the add-on, ill ask him to read the title.

Charlie Miranda

5:11:21PM I move 27, 29 and 30. 28 was pulled.

Alan Clendenin

5:11:25PM Correct. Well end up having a 31, the title You have there.

Charlie Miranda

5:11:34PM I move resolution authorizing compromise settlement by the City Of Tampa in the amount of $350,000 in federal lawsuit Lopez versus City Of Tampa, case 8.23-cv-02548-kkg-lsg, Providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:12:00PM Thank you. Motion moving 27, 29, 30 and add-on 31.

Martin Shelby

5:12:08PM Dont say 31.

Alan Clendenin

5:12:10PM And the add on.

Bill Carlson

5:12:13PM I want to vote on that one separately, please.

Lynn Hurtak

5:12:19PM 27, 29 --

Charlie Miranda

5:12:21PM Rescind the vote.

Alan Clendenin

5:12:24PM I havent called for the vote yet. Would you please move items 27, 29 and 30?

Charlie Miranda

5:12:29PM I move 27, 29 and 30.

Alan Clendenin

5:12:32PM We have a motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT unanimously. Councilman Miranda, would you please move the settlement offer.

Charlie Miranda

5:12:44PM Let me read IT again in case theres any discussion. Resolution authorizing a compromise settlement by the City Of Tampa in the amount of $350,000 of the federal lawsuit Lopez versus City Of Tampa case number 8.23-cv-02548-kkg-lsg And providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:13:07PM We have a motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Bill Carlson

5:13:13PM Nay.

The Clerk

5:13:14PM Motion carried with Carlson voting no.

Alan Clendenin

5:13:17PM Thank you. Development And Economic Opportunity Committee --

Lynn Hurtak

5:13:21PM We have 28.

Alan Clendenin

5:13:25PM Item 28. Who pulled that?

Bill Carlson

5:13:34PM My comment on that one is I think -- this is talking about getting a peer review of our auditing process. There is a fundamentally flaw in our auditing process, although she is a great person, the Auditor reports to the Mayor. I think we need to include in the process whether IT is standard in a Two-Branch Government that the Auditor would only report to one branch. Thats my comment.

Alan Clendenin

5:14:05PM I guess im not fluid enough to understand.

Bill Carlson

5:14:07PM No, if -- I dont remember if you remember from the last Administration that they would sit on audits for months, calling them drafts and not show City Council. This Administration is not doing that, but there could be the -- implied bias if only one branch of government is reviewing IT. Im not going to make a motion. I want to make that point. I think IT needs to be resolved somehow.

Alan Clendenin

5:14:33PM Maybe involving a future date, look into that more. Councilman Miranda, would you move 28?

Charlie Miranda

5:14:43PM I move 28. States meets the requirements, The City will participate in Association Of Local Government Auditors. ALGA peer review program. This is not something that we want to do. Something that we have to do by what I read here. The resolution authorizes 6,500 in general funds to cover required peer review expenses, Laga. Up front, The City internal audit requires under government auditing standards to undergo extreme peer review every three years.

Alan Clendenin

5:15:16PM Motion to move 28 from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT unanimously. Thank you very much. Development And Economic Opportunity Committee, Councilman Carlson, would you move 31 through 33?

Bill Carlson

5:15:32PM I need to abstain on 31. The Firm that I work with has a Client that May be related to this. So ill abstain. I move 32 and 33.

Alan Clendenin

5:15:42PM Motion moving 32 and 33 from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilwoman Young would you move item 31?

Naya Young

5:15:57PM I move item 31.

Alan Clendenin

5:15:59PM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. Opposed?

The Clerk

5:16:05PM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson abstaining.

Alan Clendenin

5:16:08PM Item 34, who pulled that?

Bill Carlson

5:16:11PM Im going to vote no.

Alan Clendenin

5:16:13PM So You wanted a separate vote.

Bill Carlson

5:16:15PM Yeah.

Alan Clendenin

5:16:16PM Councilwoman young, would you move item 34? Just say move item 34.

Naya Young

5:16:33PM Move item 34.

Alan Clendenin

5:16:36PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Young. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Bill Carlson

5:16:42PM Nay.

The Clerk

5:16:43PM Motion carried with Carlson voting no.

Alan Clendenin

5:16:45PM Thank you.

Bill Carlson

5:16:46PM Can I just say real fast? Contrary to what some of the folks of the Edc have been saying, im not against economic development. Im in favor of economic development. I dont think they are.

Alan Clendenin

5:17:09PM Councilwoman Hurtak, move items 35 --

Lynn Hurtak

5:17:13PM I am moving items 35 through 39.

Alan Clendenin

5:17:16PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. We are now at the 10 am. Public hearings. Very good. Item number 40. Camaria Pettis-Mackle from the Legal Department. Item 40 is second reading for file hl 25-18468 for hpc-25-29. Regarding an ordinance designating nieto fuente buckeye located at 2708 north 18th street as a local historic landmark. I hope that staff is available online if you have any questions. But they gave the presentation during the first reading.

5:18:08PM No questions. Very good. Is there anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Hearing none, motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

5:18:27PM IT is a very special project. An ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, designating the Nieto-Fuente Buckeye located at 2708 north 18th street, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 3 hereof as a local historic landmark, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:18:50PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. Please record your vote.

Guido Maniscalco

5:18:55PM Speaking of historic preservation, if you watch the City Of Tampa, one of the reels they put up, Dennis Fernandez is a showcase, who is awesome and he talks Tampa history. If you havent seen IT, check IT out.

The Clerk

5:19:07PM The motion carried unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

5:19:09PM Remember, were on public hearings right now, too. Item 41. Danny, you didnt want to sit with US in person? We can hear you. Danny, were you sworn in? This is non-quasi, never mind. We dont need you to swear in. Go ahead.

Danny Collins

5:19:36PM Danny Collins with your Planning Commission staff. This is second reading for file tacpa 25-06. An ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, updating the recreation open space capital improvements, Solid Waste, intergovernmental coordination and the definition sections to the comprehensive plan. Council approved this amendment at your hearing on January 29 and IT is back before you for second reading. That concludes my presentation.

Alan Clendenin

5:20:02PM Thank you. Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Motion to close in motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilman Carlson, would you read item 41.

Bill Carlson

5:20:18PM File tacpa 25-06, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, updating the recreation and open space, capital improvements, Solid Waste, intergovernmental coordination and definitions sections, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:20:36PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson, a second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The Clerk

5:20:45PM Motion carried unanimously with Hurtak being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

5:20:49PM Thank you. File 42.

Danny Collins

5:20:53PM Danny Collins again with your Planning Commission staff. Second reading for file tacpa 25-10. An ordinance amending the Tampa comprehensive plan future land use map element for the properties located at 2602, 2625, and 2801 east 4th avenue, 2701 and 2710 east 5th avenue, 2702 east 2nd avenue and folio numbers 189483-0005, 189516-0010 and folio 189508-0100 from heavy industrial to urban mixed use 60. Council approved this amendment at your hearing on January 29 and IT is back before you today for second reading.

Alan Clendenin

5:21:39PM Thank you. Does Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? We have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilman Viera, would you please read item 42?

Luis Viera

5:21:55PM An ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan future land use element, future land use map for property located at 2602, 2625, 2801 east 4th avenue, 2701 and 2710 east 5th avenue, 2702 east 2nd avenue, folio numbers 189483-0005, 189516-0010, and 189508-0100 from heavy industrial to urban mixed use 60, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:22:31PM That is reading and adoption. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor -- sorry, please record your vote.

The Clerk

5:22:44PM Motion carried with Hurtak voting no.

Danny Collins

5:22:52PM Danny Collins with your Planning Commission staff. This is file tacpa 25-11. Ordinance amending the comprehensive plan. Map amendment for the properties located at 2703, 2715, and 2801 East Adamo Drive, 1101 north 26th street and 508, 1100, 1101, 1102 and 1120 north 28th street from heavy industrial to urban mixed use 60 future land use designation. Council approved this amendment at your hearing on January 29. Its back before you today for second reading.

Alan Clendenin

5:23:30PM Does Council have any questions. Hearing none, anyone in the public wishing to speak to this item. Seeing none, motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

5:23:50PM Oh s -- laughter oh, shoot. I swear like a sailor when im not at work. I use great restraint when the microphone is on.

Naya Young

5:24:14PM File tacpa 25-11, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan future land use element, future land use map for the property located at 2703, 2715 and 2801 East Adamo Drive, 1101 north 26th street and 501, 1100, 1101, 1102 and 1120 north 28th street from heavy industrial hi to urban mixed use 60, UMU 60, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:24:49PM Thank you. We have a motion from Councilwoman Young -- IT sounded like you said 501. Did you say 508? I just want to make sure.

Naya Young

5:25:00PM 508. Yes, 508.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:04PM Thank you for catching that. Motion from Councilwoman Young, a second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The Clerk

5:25:15PM Motion carried with Hurtak voting no.

Alan Clendenin

5:25:19PM Very good. We are moving on to the 10 am. Quasi-judicial public hearings. Councilman Viera, you were absent at these votes. Reviewed and ready to vote. If anybody is here that is going to testify in 44 and 45, please stand and raise your right hand if you have not already been sworn in. Been sworn in already? Very good. Lets go. Item number 44. Can you hear me?

5:25:51PM We can, yes. Were you sworn in, Sir?

Leo Debardeleben

5:25:57PM Yes, I was sworn earlier. Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 44 is ab 2-25-16, property located at 1726 West Cypress Street and 901 North Fremont Avenue. The special use request is for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue classification for beer and wine, consumption on premises only. Site plan modifications were required to be made between first and second reading. Those changes have been made. The plans were certified and a copy presented to the clerk. Im available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

5:26:29PM Council have any questions? Hearing none, Applicant wish to speak? Of. Met with neighborhood. Happy to answer any questions you might have.

5:26:46PM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilwoman Hurtak, would you read item 44.

Lynn Hurtak

5:27:00PM Yes, file ab 2-25-16, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcohol beverage sales, small venue, consumption on premises only and making lawful the sale of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot, or tract of land located at 1726 West Cypress Street and 901 North Fremont Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Charlie Miranda

5:27:35PM Second.

Alan Clendenin

5:27:36PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The Clerk

5:27:43PM Motion carried unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

5:27:45PM Thank you. Item 45.

Leo Debardeleben

5:27:50PM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 45 is ab 2-26-02 for the property located at 4205 and 4230 South Macdill Avenue. This is a special use request for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue classification for beer and wine, consumption on premises and package sales, off-premises consumption. Site plan modifications were required between first and second reading. Those changes have been made. The plans were certified and a copy has been provided to the clerk. I am available for any questions?

Alan Clendenin

5:28:22PM Hearing none, Applicant. Ashley Drive. Nothing further. Happy birthday to Marty.

5:28:32PM Anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Hearing none, motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Councilman Maniscalco, would you please read item 45.

Guido Maniscalco

5:28:43PM I have an ordinance approving a special use permit for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue consumption on premises only and making lawful the sale of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 4205 and 4230 South Macdill Avenue, Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed; providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:29:04PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Development Coordination. Within the ordinance, this is a request for package sales also.

5:29:20PM For package sales also. Is IT published correctly? On our agenda doesnt say that.

LaChone Dock

5:29:34PM Everything else was correct. Certified application, site plan, staff report, on here, IT is just showing on premises only. I want to make sure package sales is included.

Martin Shelby

5:29:51PM Ms. Johnson Velez, do you have that with that added on?

Alan Clendenin

5:30:02PM Can I have a motion to reopen the public hearing?

Charlie Miranda

5:30:04PM Reopen 45.

Alan Clendenin

5:30:09PM We didnt vote.

Martin Shelby

5:30:17PM Hold IT for a minute and see where we stand. IT May be correct for all we know.

The Clerk

5:30:22PM I have consumption on premises only on the ordinance.

Martin Shelby

5:30:30PM This ordinance.

The Clerk

5:30:32PM -- alcoholic beverage sales small venue, consumption on premises only and making lawful the sale of beer wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 4205 and 4230 South Macdill Avenue.

Martin Shelby

5:30:46PM Is That The Way IT was read at first meeting, would you know?

5:30:59PM Noticed as package sales.

5:31:01PM You dont have a recollection if IT was read with package sales.

The Clerk

5:31:10PM Im looking at the minutes. In the minutes IT states the title is the same as what You have here.

Martin Shelby

5:31:18PM The ordinance, what you have does not comport with is --

The Clerk

5:31:35PM The title that is on this agenda is exactly what is stated on the ordinance itself.

Martin Shelby

5:31:40PM First reading was read The Same Way.

The Clerk

5:31:43PM Correct.

Martin Shelby

5:31:44PM Did not appear on the first reading. Hearing. To avoid confusion, I guess I would ask that We treat this as a first reading and do the package sales inclusion in the approval today and well come back for a second. Were not aware of any opposition. We had one neighbor who reached out, also to Council Member Hurtak and Council Member Carlson. Said his concerns were satisfied. Not aware of any controversy here at all. In order to get IT right later and not the first time, lets get IT right now. IT should include package sales just for beer and wine because thats how IT was noticed.

5:32:29PM Your request, Mr. Hudson, would be then treat this as first reading and have a second hearing set for two weeks.

Alan Clendenin

5:32:39PM We have a question from the Councilwoman. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

5:32:42PM Can I just request that Mr. Hudson and Legal just make sure -- I just want to make sure that that is what was talked about in the hearing to begin with. I dont know if we need to take a couple of minutes, but I want to make sure that was talked about in the hearing because I just dont remember. Im sorry.

Martin Shelby

5:33:10PM Ms. Dock is the one who brought IT to our attention. Why dont we reopen the public hearing.

Alan Clendenin

5:33:15PM Motion from Councilman Viera --

Charlie Miranda

5:33:22PM Ab 2-26-02.

Alan Clendenin

5:33:25PM All in favor of reopening? Ayes have IT.

LaChone Dock

5:33:28PM LaChone Dock, Development Coordination. The item was presented with package sales. IT was noticed as having consumption on premises and package sales. What we can do while the ordinance is corrected, this will become first reading and then we would have a second reading. That gives enough time to get the ordinance corrected on the record to catch up with everything else.

Martin Shelby

5:33:55PM Motion to rescind prior motion.

Alan Clendenin

5:33:59PM Reconsider?

Martin Shelby

5:34:00PM No, IT is a motion to rescind.

Alan Clendenin

5:34:03PM We have a motion to rescind file ab 2-26-02 from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Now read file ab 2-26-02 as a first reading and adoption inserting package sales. Im tired.

Martin Shelby

5:34:29PM First reading consideration. When you get to the line about what is being asked for and package sales. Is that the correct verbiage? IT has to be at this point in time to come back for second reading.

Guido Maniscalco

5:34:48PM You want to add and package sales?

Martin Shelby

5:34:54PM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

5:35:01PM Do you want to close the hearing?

Alan Clendenin

5:35:03PM We have a motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor?

Martin Shelby

5:35:10PM Stop for a second, please. An ordinance -- corrected ordinance just came down from legal during this hearing. IT turns out if this were intended to Be The Way this is now with the new ordinance that Ms. Johnson Velez said, then theres no reason IT cannot be read for second reading and adoption now that he has the corrected ordinance.

5:35:52PM First reading consideration.

Alan Clendenin

5:35:54PM No more interruptions. Councilman Maniscalco, read, please.

Guido Maniscalco

5:35:57PM Ordinance approving a special use permit su-2, this is for first reading, alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, consumption on premises and package sales off-premises consumption and making lawful the sale of beer and wine at or from that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 4205 and 4230 South Macdill Avenue, Tampa, Florida as more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:36:25PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Lets do a roll call vote. First reading. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

The Clerk

5:36:33PM Motion carried unanimously. Second reading and adoption will be held on March 26, 2026 at 10:00 am. In old city hall, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

5:36:59PM Were moving on to 48. Were all tired. Emma Gregory, Legal Department. Im here for the first reading of a proposed ordinance removing section 22103 sub c 1 also known as the sidewalk to nowhere exception from the sidewalk requirement as requested by councils motion. So im here if you have any questions.

5:37:40PM Thank you. Does Council have any questions? Councilwoman Hurtak and then councilman Miranda.

Lynn Hurtak

5:37:43PM I just wanted to say thank you so much. This is taking -- getting rid of just a little piece that prevented sidewalks from being built throughout the city, and We just really, really appreciate IT. Thank you.

Charlie Miranda

5:37:58PM Nice writing and everything else, however when You read the ordinance, IT says about Across The Street. The problem is, IT does not address houses on the corner Of The Street that May not have the visibility of putting a sidewalk On The Street. Classic example, if You go down From Macdill Avenue heading north one and a half blocks on the right, there is a brand-new house just finished building, 80 to 90-foot sidewalk. You know what IT empties to? Macdill Avenue. IT does not go straight because theres no sidewalk anywhere. So theres no sidewalk From Columbus Drive and macdill All The Way To St. Joseph hospital and not only that, on the other Side Of St. Joseph hospital All The Way To Hillsborough Avenue, there is no sidewalk. The only sidewalk is on the side Of The Street. If You pass this ordinance, You cant put IT -- You want your sidewalk to go here and the addition to go Across The Street if there is a sidewalk there. In this case, there is no sidewalk in front Of The Street. Im not blaming You, but things do happen. Im not trying to stop this ordinance. Pass IT, fine. But You have to refine IT if You want IT to be hundred percent proof. The sidewalk goes, You can follow IT down the line, go two blocks, block and a half North On Macdill Avenue and You look to the right, brand-new house, and the sidewalk goes until IT gets to the corner. But IT turns to left, You walk Into The Street off the sidewalk that The City put even a yellow so You know You have to Exit That Way. Never seen a sidewalk that empties out in the middle Of The Street. Look at IT for yourself.

Alan Clendenin

5:39:41PM Thank you. Councilman Carlson and Viera.

Bill Carlson

5:39:48PM We have received requests just in the last 24 hours from a neighborhood culbreath bayou, over on the west side of the peninsula in South Tampa. They were one of the hardest hits neighborhoods during the storms. The surge came in and wiped out most of the neighborhood. As they are rebuilding now, they are concerned about this requirement because of the cost. And we talked about that issue a couple of weeks ago. The other thing is, they have done some preliminary research at least with Historians. The Way the Historians say this neighborhood was originally platted was IT intentionally did not have sidewalks and the city did not have any easement for sidewalks. There was a utility easement but not a sidewalk easement. They think IT would create hazardous conditions in their neighborhood. Is there a way to at least temporarily exclude culbreath bayou and then come back and revisit at some point in the future after legal analyzes the situation?

Emma Gregory

5:40:46PM All of our ordinances are general application, so these are general laws that apply to all streets and neighborhoods within the city. Im aware that Culbreath Bayou has voiced some of these concerns, but I am not yet ready to address their concerns.

Bill Carlson

5:41:06PM My question is, is there a way to just partition out culbreath bayou and then we can put on the agenda to come back at some point in the future and revisit IT?

Emma Gregory

5:41:19PM I would say at this point, I mean, section 22-103 applies to the entire city.

Bill Carlson

5:41:27PM Cant we just say excluding the area known as culbreath bayou?

Emma Gregory

5:41:31PM I dont at this point know that We have a basis to do that.

Bill Carlson

5:41:41PM What I would do is vote no. I just found this out today and yesterday. I didnt have a chance to talk to you about IT. I want this to pass. I think this is really important for getting sidewalks. I have given the example On My Street, a Person In A Wheelchair, has to go in the middle Of The Road and incredibly dangerous because people are speeding. If a particular neighborhood was Platted That Way, I think we should research IT before we impose something that was never intended for that neighborhood. Each neighborhood has its own planning, so I will have to vote no now, if IT passes, then ill make another motion to ask US to study this.

Luis Viera

5:42:21PM I was going to ask the same thing. Im glad a Gentleman who I know is a very nice, decent individual contacted me from Culbreath. Correct me if im wrong, this is first reading. Well have second reading. What im going to do, because as Councilman Carlson said, this is a good ordinance. Its going to do really good things for a lot of really good people. Obviously, well have a separate motion on this, to check between first and second reading if we can exclude any part of the City Of Tampa from this.

Emma Gregory

5:42:52PM Truthfully, Councilman Viera, I think that would delay the whole entire ordinance. I think that would go beyond the scope of the changes that are allowed between first and second reading. I think that would require a big staff effort to study the neighborhood, to do the historical research. And I think there is a consideration that IT could undermine the sidewalk effort that were trying to enact through the whole entire city. So I think its obviously councils pleasure for US to conduct that IT work, but IT would significantly delay this ordinance.

Luis Viera

5:43:35PM Councilman Carlson can make the motion, I will support IT. Perhaps we can look at the feasibility of looking at that between first and second reading, feasibility to at least show these Good Folks that were doing something. Again, they were tremendously impacted in the hurricanes in '24, and I think that doing our best for this, given those concerns that were raised in the correspondence is something that im very sympathetic to. Again, ill vote on this for first reading because this is wonderful, IT is a good thing but I do want to see what we can do between first and second reading. If IT delays IT a week or two or whatever IT is, if its much longer like you say, thats fine. At least look at feasibility. As Councilman Carlson said, this just literally came up within the last 48 hours and we want to be responsive to these Good Folks in the neighborhood. Again, I will support this, however with the expectation that between first and second were going to inquire on what we can do for this neighborhood and see if anything can be set aside to the extent that IT can and ill make my determination upon second reading. Thats my intent. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

5:44:33PM Very good. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

5:44:35PM Let me say this also. I really believe, that although im going to support IT, people say I dont like sidewalks. I like sidewalks but what they are doing now, walk On The Street and get hit by a car, because IT takes you right into macdill. Not straight. A left. Like exit To The Street. Ive never seen anything like IT. Dont take my word. Go look at IT. The second thing is, the two gentlemen before talked about, Only Way this will work is if the City funds IT itself. Transportation tax or something that goes on IT because IT will never, ever in the earth disintegrate before this is done. How many new houses are going to be built when there are new houses to be built sooner or later because no houses unless you have a knock-down, you have one house. Because one house, doesnt mean you do the whole sidewalk. If that person doesnt want to pay then IT goes to somebody else. But the problem is that whoever builds a house now, they dont want a sidewalk and -- what about a ditch on the City property, sidewalk only goes on City property, not on private property. While there is a ditch, that is a City ditch, the City should be able to pay for the sidewalk. The Homeowner has no say if there is a ditch or no ditch, if builds a house and there is a ditch there. What is the Homeowner supposed to do? I did a little math real quick. 60-foot lot $8,700, 70-foot $10,150. Just for the sidewalk. He Or She is never going to see a sidewalk. They have to pay IT to somebody else because they have a ditch. IT doesnt make common sense. No reflection on you, please dont take that. IT is a system that does not work and well perpetuate IT to --

Alan Clendenin

5:46:28PM Anybody in the public wanting to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Viera. Ayes have IT.

Lynn Hurtak

5:46:42PM Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending the City of Tampa Code of Ordinances, chapter 22, article 1, division 3, subdivision 3, section 22-103, "when new sidewalk construction is required; contributions to sidewalk trust fund in lieu of constructing a sidewalk"; providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

5:47:09PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

5:47:14PM May I say one thing? Just explain, I said I was going to vote against IT. Council member Viera reminded US there are two votes. Between first and second reading, love to talk to folks about that. I also have the motion on culbreath bayou. Wait to later or do IT now?

The Clerk

5:47:34PM Motion carried unanimously. Second reading and adoption will be held on March 26, 2026 at 10 am. In City Council chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

5:47:46PM We still have a lot of -- is IT just four. They are all going to be long ones.

Luis Viera

5:48:00PM I have something I should have been at at about 5:45. I can pull IT off another 20 minutes. I know we have a Full Council. Fyi. I didnt think --

Alan Clendenin

5:48:12PM I highly suggest -- if you guys are as fried as I am, were not doing anybody any service by listening to this stuff this late. My brain is fried.

Lynn Hurtak

5:48:26PM I think I can solve item 57 pretty quickly and just say that that is the summer youth program. I spoke to Ms. Mckenzie. We need $175,000 to add IT -- to make IT to go to 70 kids. We already have 200 slated in the extra budget from FY '25. Thats already done. I think we dont really -- I mean, if she wants to add a couple of sentences. But the money has already been allocated by US last week for the extra money to make IT to 70. In fact, we have like a $25,000 cushion, so maybe we could go even higher. Do you have anything else to add to that? Of workforce partnerships. I would encourage Council to consider taking an intern for the summer. Its still open, so were working with departments and with Council to make sure that were Able To Place the students in wonderful opportunities.

5:49:34PM The only other thing I wanted to mention because IT was mentioned by the public and I did speak to Ms. Mckenzie about IT, is we have to find a way -- we cant do IT now because we already have opened the applications, but we really need to find a way to prioritize City Of Tampa youth because right now its open to everyone. I know there are some things about City Of Tampa employees and their kids. They might not live in the city, but really, we need to prioritize. Next year, I want to make IT a thing that we are prioritizing City Of Tampa youth.

Alan Clendenin

5:50:10PM We need a motion to receive and file for 57. Motion to receive and file from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilwoman Young. In favor, aye. Ayes have IT. On the others, anything from staff that you guys have to be heard tonight, that we couldnt go until our special call meeting on April 7?

Eric Cotton

5:50:42PM Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. This is a transmittal hearing for the text amendments. Theres nothing Substantive Taking Place this evening from Council. Its just we were going to present what those amendments were so we can get IT to the Planning Commission for their briefing. Youll be getting IT back in May for first reading. We workshopped this in September.

Alan Clendenin

5:51:07PM How much time do you need?

Eric Cotton

5:51:12PM Eric Cotton version, about 30 seconds.

Alan Clendenin

5:51:14PM Start with your name. This is item number 61.

Eric Cotton

5:51:18PM Yes. Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. So this is the July 2025 cycle. We are here. This is a transmittal hearing for the cycle. The first was a Council initiated text amendment which was amendment to section 27-199, which was to increase the height in the Channel District to faahcaa and to allow the possibility of bonus with Council approval west of channelside, east of meridian in the Channel District.

Bill Carlson

5:51:55PM Andy and Ken were here last time and had some concerns, but they resolved IT with Abbye.

Eric Cotton

5:52:03PM Basically, the table is going to basically get changed to look like that, whats highlighted in yellow. Then there were four text amendments initiated by staff. Three of them were to basically amend our code to keep up with everything the State is preempting US on. State changed rules. Amending code to correct some of those -- update regulations to match that. Most controversial one probably The Special Street setback which we can, of course, discuss at the first reading, if youd like. State preempted US on electric vehicles, so we can no longer have electric vehicle capable places and certified recovery residence is another thing the State preempted US on and required US to have. Thats the Eric Cotton short version of everything.

Alan Clendenin

5:53:02PM Does Council have questions?

Lynn Hurtak

5:53:04PM What is a recovery residence?

Eric Cotton

5:53:07PM Generically you can call them Sober Living.

Lynn Hurtak

5:53:12PM Oh, got IT.

Alan Clendenin

5:53:14PM Hearing no other questions. Do We need public comment on this? No, We dont. I need a motion to transmit.

Charlie Miranda

5:53:24PM Move to transmit.

Alan Clendenin

5:53:25PM We have a motion to transmit from Councilman Maniscalco, a second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. For 55, Police Department, how long do you need for the presentation?

5:53:43PM Okay. Lets go. This is item 55. Just wanted to recap on the town hall that we had with Councilwoman Naya Young. We had the opportunity to hear from our constituents. We implemented a couple of things. Some of those were the increase in presence for the units that are in Ybor City. I think that we had a very successful ybor knights parade, and I think some of what we did. We also kept our partnerships with Code Enforcement and Yes Team, and they were out there as well. I think a lot of our questions that we did see were directed towards traffic calming and management. And I think most of that would come under Mobility. But I did want to come up here and one, thank the Councilwoman, but give you a report on what came out of that and where we stand on that. Hand IT over to Mobility. I participated in the ybor workshop and very quickly, whats come out of that effort --

5:54:49PM Zoom IT out a little bit so We have the whole screen. Respond to the crash that occurred in November stem from a couple of efforts that weve identified. We need to slow traffic and We need to stop their ability from accessing the pedestrian space along the roadway. Some of the things that has been discussed in mobility are short and long-term interventions. The short-term interventions are reduction of speed limit. Currently, there was a segment of 7th avenue that was still marked for 30 miles an hour. We have come out and decided to reduce that speed limit to 25. And then where the vehicle approach that resulted in the crash just east of nuccio is an area of 7th avenue between Nebraska and nuccio that was a fairly wide right-of-way. IT had wide lanes of traffic that allowed for high speed of travel. One of the things well do is introduce on-street parking. Well come in and narrow the roadway. Repave that Segment Of Road, introducing bus bays, painted bus bays and space for 36 off-street parking spaces. What We hope is that as traffic approaches, the more active segment of 7th avenue in ybor, that that traffic is slowed because of that physical impediment of the narrowing of lanes. Thats going to happen within the next two weeks. So We moved very quickly as a staff. We shifted some resources. We talked with the public last month that We thought IT would happen in the next 90 days. Weve been able to front load IT even more. The speed limit and repaving will occur in the next two weeks. And then what were looking at is a little bit longer term effort. Were working not just with TPD but with the CRA. They are currently rebricking 7th avenue. If You Drive on brick roads, you know they give a lot of feedback. They make you be aware of your Surroundings And Drive a little bit slower. So were going to continue to support the CRA in their rebricking efforts. And then as that rebricking continues Down The Street, We looked at implementing bollards. So if you look in front of the columbia restaurant, there are existing bollards along the right-of-way. Well come in and at the higher volume intersections, introduce bollards consistent with the character of ybor. But get those deployed or work with the CRA to get those deployed as part of the rebricking project so that We can limit crashes to the intersections, if something happens at the higher volume intersections, then those vehicles are contained to the roadway and dont spill out onto the pedestrian pathway. So very briefly, thats what were proposing in ybor, and this is under our larger transportation safety program that We work on every day. Weve got three full-time staff citywide that work on safety an Engineer, City Planner, and a Project Coordinator. So We have implemented projects previous to this, but this is what We plan to do moving forward in ybor to improve the safety conditions on 7th avenue.

5:57:48PM Thank you. Sir, did you have anything to add? Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

5:57:54PM Well, I already thanked you all, but I want to thank you again for just for being at the Town Hall, for engaging the community and for just working swiftly to get these done. I really appreciate you all. Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

5:58:09PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

5:58:09PM Thank you. I was also at that meeting and I thought IT was -- went very well. You all were very prepared. I appreciate that. So my first question, IT doesnt -- they keep trying to make IT rhyme. 20 is plenty. Why cant we go to 20? What we did, there was a speed study completed that looked at the current speed limits along the corridor. The Engineers that completed that study made the recommendation to drop IT to 25. Thats consistent with the remainder of the historic district 7th avenue. What were doing is reducing the speed between nuccio and Nebraska from 30 to 25 to match the wider corridor. I would have to get more detail from Engineering Staff on why IT couldnt be lowered to 20, but I think that would be an exceptional condition within the city likely requiring more justification from a traffic perspective. I can get back with you on that.

5:59:13PM Im curious because im seeing the neighborhood streets are 25, too. I do believe that 20 is plenty in a neighborhood area and a very walkable area. Ybor just has so many pedestrians that I think We should normalize going slow. The bricks help, but I think if We really normalize IT in that neighborhood, spreading IT out through the rest of the residential area would be easier. And I really think that We need to be going in that direction in our residential areas in the city. Also, my only other thing is 7th avenue already has a ton of poles and other things that you have to weave around as a pedestrian. So as were looking at bollards, which is fabulous, and I 100% agree with, as were kind of looking at that streetscape, what else can We do to maybe combine things? The polls that are on the sidewalks, what are We doing to -- IT might be a good time to kind of look at that and say, Are There Street signs that could be combined With Other Street signs? Its just a lot of poles. I understand this is a completely different thing and its a safety measure. Just saying while looking at the bollards and while adding them, super supportive, what else are We doing to make IT more pedestrian friendly along 7th avenue. One of the things weve done to slow traffic on 7th is put in a couple of four-way stops. Where IT was a one-way stop condition, We put in a Four Way stop. Vehicles stop and then have to accelerate. That did slow traffic on 7th as well.

6:00:55PM One more thing I want to say, while doing the brickings, We had a great conversation, Livable Roadways Committee Wednesday morning about raised crosswalks. As were doing brick streets, I know there are particular crosswalks. Im thinking specifically of 16th where folks go to ybor -- yes, centro ybor. Thank you. Its been a long day. Where they already have that type of cross walk, maybe adding a raised cross walk with brick would help even more. And some of those pedestrian areas, I know its weird to have a speed bump with an Already Bricked Road, but if We are not looking at them as speed bumps, We are looking at raised crosswalks and look throughout the city at raised crosswalks. That May be a Good Place to implement them initially to see if they work. Again, just because of the heavy pedestrian-ness of the area. I would love to see those considered. This is an abridged version of what I was going to discuss. We looked at crash history in historic ybor that there have been two fatal crashes within the last five years. One on adamo and one on 21st. And then on 7th avenue, hadnt been a fatal crash before November for more than a decade. Looked back ten years and looked at the data. We dont see the severe injury or fatal crashes occurring in ybor. I think IT has a lot to do With The Way the streets are built because of all the historic pattern of that development. But absolutely, well take more notes and take a look at what else We can do and how We can integrate IT.

6:02:36PM If IT is not the right spot, I completely understand IT. Just throwing the idea out there for the city as a whole. Again, even just that one particular cross walk, because that one is, yeah, im getting a big smile from the major. Yes, even if that one might be a Great Place to just try IT. That might even be good on 8th, going through centro, just period, having those two particular crosswalks as people navigate centro. So thank you.

Bill Carlson

6:03:11PM First, I wanted to thank you guys for the brief report, very effective report, but also for responding so quickly and hearing from The Community and working on this. Weve all had a lot of information from The Community. My day job is in ybor. So im in there every day, personally very interested in IT. Also, both of you -- I dont know you guys very well. I dont know if I met you at all really. But the feedback I get from The Community on the two of you is very, very positive. Please keep up whatever you are doing. As long as were getting positive feedback, that means that youre making our constituents happy and that means we dont get calls. In this case, were getting positive calls. On the rebricking, this is more for the CRA than you, but we need to make sure that the CRA does the announcement next time. I still get complaints all the time, why are we wasting money on bricks? If IT looks like a city project, well get a lot of complaints. If IT is a CRA project, then still some people are against IT, but not as many as if they think we can use IT in places where there are potholes. The other thing, to the point my colleague was making, there is an Artist in ybor who has glass bricks. I dont know how they are at load bearing, but she has these glass bricks. I can put you in touch. If were trying to do something visually for crosswalks, the Arts Community in ybor has thought about using these art glass bricks in some ways. If you are open to that. Last thing is a question. These are one-off instances and we cant change everything just for these one-off instances. But in this case, as I understand IT, the person came from 275 across nuccio down 7th. At night, especially, is there a way we can close that crossing from nuccio -- at nuccio and 7th so people couldnt race down there? What would be your advice related to that? That we saw a lot of support with at the public meeting. IT was kind of a split public opinion on that. Some of the business owners, when we talked about any kind of closure or inhibiting traffic access to 7th avenue, there was push-back because of fear of damage to business. But then there were other constituents that asked for IT. We didnt evaluate any kind of closure of 7th avenue. Thats why we focused kind of separating, keeping the cars where the cars belong and protecting the pedestrians.

6:05:43PM Just to be clear, im not in favor of closing 7th avenue at all. Just the only thing, the crossing where cars are going down 7th and They cross nuccio, the only idea would be, is IT -- would IT be advisable to close that so They would have to go around? That might slow them down. You have already given the answer. I appreciate IT.

Alan Clendenin

6:06:03PM Were done.

6:06:08PM Shoot. Im sorry. Councilman Miranda has been hand signaling me and looking at me.

Charlie Miranda

6:06:13PM Every time we come here 4:00 in the morning every day. As I look at this, I didnt leave Ybor City because I was asked to leave. I moved out with my wife and two kids. When I see 7th avenue, the reason IT was different, because IT was a streetcar down the middle, you could not speed in Ybor City. Streetcar, parked car on both sides. So what im saying is, That Street being up, I Drove That Street a couple of times. I dont drive IT anymore. Not that I was going fast. I want my car to have shocks every three months. I agree with you on the bollards. I think somebody, 3:00 in the morning, 2:00 in the morning, we were they close, might have had little too much of dancing in them, you know what I mean by that, and make a wrong turn and go into the pavement of the sidewalk. I agree with the bollards. Agree wholeheartedly. Speed sign, you have to have 25 because of certain regulations of different laws. All in all, Ybor City in my opinion in the next 20 years will change. IT will be back to residential in a lot of parts.

Alan Clendenin

6:07:30PM All you got? All that commotion? What year did they throw you out of ybor?

Charlie Miranda

6:07:41PM I named a horse, Ybor City Charlie.

Alan Clendenin

6:07:44PM Very good. Thank you for your patience today. Sorry to keep you here. If I have to be here all day, im glad we had Company. Brandon Campbell and Company.

Brandon Campbell

6:08:17PM Item 54, The Stormwater Master Plan.

Alan Clendenin

6:08:24PM Who is the Consultant back here? Are you enjoying Tampa City Council? What time did you get here today? But ive been here since maybe 3.

6:08:35PM Oh, then im not feeling sorry for You. I am not even feeling sorry for You. Go ahead.

Brandon Campbell

6:08:40PM Brandon Campbell, mobility director. I have Yuan LI here, our stormwater services director as well. She was going to introduce our consultant formally. Yuan LI, stormwater services director. We are here to provide a quarterly update of citywide stormwater master plan update. We started this project about a year ago. The main objective of the effort is to evaluate the drainage system capacity citywide and also identify flooding risks so that the future stormwater improvement projects can be identified and prioritized. The Council mentioned about concordia park this morning, which is a perfect example of needing this exercise. With that, we have Taylor Lankford here today to give a quick presentation. Taylor is a registered professional engineer and is stormwater director with applied and also expert of stormwater modeling and water resources planning.

Alan Clendenin

6:10:01PM Thank you. Start with your name. Taylor Lankford with Applied Sciences. I am the water resource director there. I guess I have the slides. Just to give a little bit of background, ive been working in the State of Florida for over a decade now. I grew up on the east coast in martin county. I actually worked with Yuan a little bit at the Southwest Florida Water Management District. So I worked there for about seven years in the engineering watershed management section basically doing the same very projects, developing these detailed hydraulic and hydrologic models for urban and rural developments and things like that. So as Yuan said, weve been working on this kind of global effort for The City Of Tampa to try and study all of the various basins that exist within The City boundaries. To get into this effort, we did a prioritization and a review of all the previous data and modeling and studies that The City had completed over the last several decades, basically. This effort is to try to prioritize the basins you see here as the ones that we are currently studying or providing updates for some of these more detailed areas. So with this effort, we have a variety of Consulting Firms on board to help distribute the work and get things done a little more efficiently. These are the basins that are currently being studied right now. Weve been calling these the Group One basins and actually phase one, which is just developing those existing conditions, identifying areas that could lead into potential improvement projects. You can see all the various Consulting Firms on here as well as we are studying two of the basins for lower peninsula and Palmetto Beach. Weve had several quarterly update meetings for Council over the past year. At this point, when we talk about these basins in green here, and were talking about this phase one, which is just capturing these existing conditions, where the flooding problems, where are the deficiencies, and then lead into phase two, which is actually trying to conceptualizing and go through alternative analysis to present potential improvement projects. You can see here were basically almost completely through the development of these existing conditions for this phase one on these Group One basins. As we move forward, we have current scope of work being negotiated with the various Consulting Firms to bring on the group two basins as well as completing the phase two for the Group One basins. Again, phase two would be trying to dive into the results of the model, identify those areas that could have improvement projects proposed, conceptualizing those improvement projects, giving some high-level cost estimates and benefits for those different things that are identified. At the same time the group basins, group two basins, doing both the existing conditions and identifying those potential improvement projects will be coming shortly. Financial overview for the entire program. When we did that, we called IT like the gap analysis study, maybe a couple of years ago now that LED into this. We evaluated all the historical data and what has been studied and what needs to be studied to get where we are today. The overall budget for that full program was $5 million. And at this point, for the Group One and phase one, weve encumbered around 2 million for the Group One, phase two, doing the alternative analysis based on those existing model results, coming up with the proposed projects to put on capital improvement plan bonding and things like that. That total is around 2.3 Million. And then when we think about completing the phase one and phase two, so basically that would get US the detailed models and conceptual projects, we had that completion date for August 2026. And finishing out the rest of the group 2 basins during phase one and two, the additional $2 million to have US completing this program by the end of this year for 2026. Currently, those estimated budget well within the budget there of 4.5 Million. An additional piece to this is not only just getting the studies and trying to identify these improvement projects to potentially help relieve flooding throughout The City, another big piece is just the fact that you do study parts of your city or parts of your watershed within your municipality. Allows you to submit that understanding to the Community Rating System, which is like Nfip Flood Insurance Program, where by updating these or committing to the Crs Organization that these models are up to date and reflective of current condition or within a certain time period. The City can use this to get points for the Crs program, and IT is even more than that, IT is a prerequisite to step into a more favorable rating class. I think were currently maybe a five and we can get to a 3, and that just results in cost savings on these nfip policies for those Residents that have these policies for flood insurance purposes. So thats going to be another by-product of this overall program effort that were going through. Thats pretty much IT. Everything is going as expected, and dont have anything major to report other than everything is going well.

6:15:58PM Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

6:16:00PM So what youre saying is that for this $5 million, we ideally will be able to take our rating of five and bring IT down to three, thereby most likely Saving People Way more than $5 million total from flood insurance.

6:16:24PM Phenomenal roi. Even before we start a project, thats wonderful. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

6:16:29PM Any other questions? I appreciate your patience today. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. If ive calculated correctly, that concludes our business. Suling, do you concur? Oh, thank goodness.

Lynn Hurtak

6:16:50PM Now is the fun.

Alan Clendenin

6:16:52PM Okay. Lets be kind.

Martin Shelby

6:17:00PM I was wondering if you could start -- [inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

6:17:05PM I will grant Mr. Shelby that request. Mr. Shelby, do you have any new business?

Martin Shelby

6:17:11PM No, I do not. But I have to prepare something for Mr. Carlson. By the time you get to him, hopefully the printer will be printing IT out.

Alan Clendenin

6:17:19PM Ah, an ulterior motive. Just like a lawyer. You have to read between the lines. Mr. Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

6:17:26PM Thank you. I have five.

Alan Clendenin

6:17:29PM Microphone.

Charlie Miranda

6:17:32PM No, I only have one. I would like to make a motion that on March 3 at the beginning of the special call evening session, the City Council, City Of Tampa join the Mayor in declaring the month of March 2026 as procurement month in the City Of Tampa to expand on the awareness of procurement professional role to government officials and general public businesses corporate leaders.

Alan Clendenin

6:17:52PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Thank you. Special call meeting, budget meeting.

Martin Shelby

6:18:04PM Are You doing a presentation on a special call meeting?

Alan Clendenin

6:18:07PM Yes, we are. IT is a budget kind of thing. Were giving grace. Maniscalco. Councilman Maniscalco, any new business?

Guido Maniscalco

6:18:17PM No, sir.

Alan Clendenin

6:18:18PM Thank God. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

6:18:19PM Yes. While were on the subject of the special call meeting, I move to allow a representative from the Citizens Budget Advisory Committee to speak for five minutes at the beginning of the special call evening session on March 3rd, 2026.

Guido Maniscalco

6:18:36PM Which representative is that?

Lynn Hurtak

6:18:37PM I dont know. Im assuming IT is whoever the chair is.

Alan Clendenin

6:18:41PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Lynn Hurtak

6:18:48PM I move to instruct the Planning Department to renotice the council appointed seats for the Natural Resources Advisory Committee to advertise on the city website and in the City Council agenda which has already occurred. Separate from the motion, I did want to say that the Natural Resources Advisory Committee positions will be open until March 20th. March 20th. So if you know anybody who would be great for one of those positions, send them to check out the appointments. So thats my motion.

Guido Maniscalco

6:19:29PM This wouldnt affect the Mayoral Ones, right?

Lynn Hurtak

6:19:32PM No. These are ours. These are City Council.

Alan Clendenin

6:19:35PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Lynn Hurtak

6:19:41PM I have one more. This is one that I am pained to have to do. So I have a motion for the February 26 workshop to provide a report on the cities that have executed sign ordinances, basically cm 25-13045 on the sign ordinances. The Downtown Partnership wishes to -- they wanted to extend IT to May 28, but I asked them to come back on May 7th, which is a regular council session for an update on this, because I dont want to wait that much longer. What they are trying to do -- they have hired someone, a GIS Mapping Person to map the areas that FDOT. Will be excluding and other types of exclusions. So I think that visual will be very helpful for US. But we dont -- we do not have a workshop in March, and then the workshop in April, unfortunately Ms. Johnson Velez will be out of town, and this is her area.

Alan Clendenin

6:21:03PM We have two digital sign items.

Lynn Hurtak

6:21:08PM The other one is Mr. Carlson's. I wanted to ask if he would be willing to move his as well to May 7 or if he wants to do his separately. Yours, Mr. Carlson, was simply a written report of a list of currently approved and active digital signs allowed downtown. Copies of the contract or approval documents and description of who and how they were signed. That could probably stay since its next week. Like I said, I really hate to move this and its not something I really want to do, but because of -- the other thing I could do is if people want IT to be moved sooner, we can move IT to an April date.

Alan Clendenin

6:21:55PM Restate the motion.

Lynn Hurtak

6:21:56PM I wanted to hear from Council, is May too late?

Alan Clendenin

6:21:59PM I think with Susan being gone thats the problem.

Lynn Hurtak

6:22:01PM Yeah, but shes only gone for that particular April date. We might be able to move IT sooner in April.

Alan Clendenin

6:22:07PM What about the special call meeting we just called, the regular meeting?

Lynn Hurtak

6:22:11PM Oh, I love that. April 7. Yeah.

Guido Maniscalco

6:22:15PM Ill second that.

Lynn Hurtak

6:22:16PM I motion to move IT to April 7. Ill make sure that thats okay with Ms. Johnson Velez and the Downtown Partnership, but I think that is a great call. So thank you. I will -- I motion to move cm 25-13045 to April 7.

Alan Clendenin

6:22:35PM We have a motion and second from Councilwoman Young already. All those in favor, Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Lynn Hurtak

6:22:41PM That is IT.

Alan Clendenin

6:22:42PM Councilwoman young, New Business.

Naya Young

6:22:45PM Ill make this very quick. As I was saying earlier, I want to be sure that for item 60 that IT stays on the agenda. Marty, youll probably have to help me. I put my thoughts down. I want to make a motion to have in-person staff report from Code Enforcement on what they can do to address the violations, violations regarding parking lots, rodents, bad or expired food items or harmful paraphernalia in regards to sex or drugs in corner stores. Maybe thats one motion. Stores.

Martin Shelby

6:23:34PM Stores.

Naya Young

6:23:37PM Yes, ill put stores.

Martin Shelby

6:23:39PM Do you want to make a geographic area or citywide?

Naya Young

6:23:43PM Citywide.

Martin Shelby

6:23:45PM A report in general.

Naya Young

6:23:47PM I know Councilman Miranda was talking about citywide as well, so thats fine.

Martin Shelby

6:23:52PM Lets take that motion.

Alan Clendenin

6:23:54PM Motion from Councilwoman Young. A second from Councilman Miranda. What is the date? April 7.

Naya Young

6:24:05PM I think thats fine. Yeah, April 7 is fine.

Alan Clendenin

6:24:08PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Next.

Naya Young

6:24:14PM Can I do all that same language but just take out Code Enforcement and put TPD? I would like to make a motion to have a staff report from TPD on what they can do to address the violations in terms of parking lots, rodents, bad expired food items and harmful paraphernalia relating to sex and drugs in stores -- I forgot to add in what Community should do to report bad actors, in both, what Community should do to report bad actors, what is The Best Way to report IT. I want to do that for the Code Enforcement one and TPD.

Alan Clendenin

6:24:55PM Just a scriveners on the first one. Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

6:25:05PM Is that also for April 7?

Naya Young

6:25:07PM Yes. Theres nothing there. Thats fine. Yes, April 7.

Alan Clendenin

6:25:12PM That was the unanimous vote. Very good.

Naya Young

6:25:15PM Thats for that one. Make sure we come back with that. And then in light of some of the public comment that we received today regarding the Edc and in opens of keeping transparency with the community, I would like to have the Edc come back to Council with a report on how they are advertising the sheltered markets to small minority andor women owned businesses and provide a report on what businesses are coming to Tampa and the possibilities of industrial businesses. Industrial business. Pretty much what was heard in public comment.

Alan Clendenin

6:25:51PM We have a motion from Councilwoman Young. A second from Councilman Maniscalco.

Martin Shelby

6:25:54PM A question. Is that then -- because the Edc is not a function of the city. Is that a request to invite?

Naya Young

6:26:01PM Yes. A request to invite the Economic Development Corporation Or Edc to come -- and Staff -- to come to Council.

Martin Shelby

6:26:11PM Normally IT is the maker of the motions District Office who extends the invitation.

Naya Young

6:26:17PM I can do that.

Martin Shelby

6:26:18PM I want everybody to know that.

Bill Carlson

6:26:21PM Limit to five or ten minutes?

Naya Young

6:26:25PM Five each. Five minutes each. April 7. Just so we can --

The Clerk

6:26:35PM [Inaudible]

Naya Young

6:26:37PM Yes, thats fine. So we can address what was spoke about today.

Bill Carlson

6:26:43PM I want to make a comment when you are done.

Alan Clendenin

6:26:45PM Comment before we vote?

Bill Carlson

6:26:46PM Quick comment, my concern about the Edc, besides the fact that they like to trash talk people is that if you go and look at the results they claim, they cant prove they did IT. SIX years ago we passed an ordinance that said if the City gave a subsidy to a company that they had to get the CEO to sign a sworn affidavit once a year to say whether or not they hit the goals. My Aide at the time called all the companies and none of them had reached the goals or even come close. Since then, they havent asked for subsidies because they cant hit their goals. They can rattle off all these companies, but the question is, did any of them do anything that they said? Thats why -- and just like somebody said, were putting Nacp through all kinds of hoops, and for a lot less money than we are with the Edc when thats arguably one of the most important things we could be doing as a City. There are a lot of politics attached to IT, but the reality is theres not verifiable results.

Alan Clendenin

6:27:50PM Very good. We have a motion there Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Naya Young

6:27:56PM Last two things, just for the public, we had the Hattie Wright unveiling of the bench and the sign honoring ms. Hattie Wright which is at macfarlane park. If you would like to go see IT, IT is a wonderful display at a beautiful park. For your Black history fact, Black Girls Govern, the founder is a young lady by the name of Harley Williams who is a district 5 Tampa native who graduated from Blake High School and is currently attending Harvard University studying government. She is attending Harvard University. Very bright young lady. The young ladies that were part of her nonprofit that she started called Black Girls Govern, they were actually in tallahassee advocating for the crown act which is creating a respectful and open world for natural hair. So I wanted to highlight ms. Harley Williams. I am done.

Alan Clendenin

6:28:54PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

6:28:57PM Those guys you had this morning were fantastic, By The Way. I dont do motions very often. I have several. I apologize. One is to approve my form 8b for item 31 this morning.

Alan Clendenin

6:29:08PM Motion to accept his recusal form. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:29:14PM Next is the Culbreath Bayou, motion to ask Staff to look at the feasibility of excluding Culbreath Bayou from file e2026-8 chapter 22. I didnt put a date on IT because I dont know how fast they can come back.

Martin Shelby

6:29:37PM Written report?

Lynn Hurtak

6:29:38PM Say by second reading. If they cant make IT --

Martin Shelby

6:29:42PM Second reading is.

Lynn Hurtak

6:29:44PM March 26.

Bill Carlson

6:29:46PM Got IT.

Alan Clendenin

6:29:47PM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:29:53PM Separate item. Back to the issue of the school zones, motion to ask Mobility to report back on June 4 as to the possibility of adding larger school zone signs and flashing lights.

Alan Clendenin

6:30:18PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:30:28PM To the item about the interdepartmental accounting, we talked about the tree one today, but if a department wants to use stormwater employees, they should just have an agreement and pay them back. IT should be a certain amount of money. Same thing as if an outside group hires TPD, they have to pay for IT. If water needs TPD, there should be a contract. TPD cant just charge whatever they want -- motion to ask City Staff to report on June 4 as to creating a rule or ordinance that would require City departments to create an interdepartment agreement approved by Council in advance of transferring money.

Alan Clendenin

6:31:12PM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Discussion?

Bill Carlson

6:31:19PM I talked to Chief Of Staff about IT. Chief Of Staff and I talked about IT. He and I need to talk about IT more. Trying to figure out what IT meant and when apply. June 4 would give US time to talk about IT more.

Alan Clendenin

6:31:32PM We have a motion and second. Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:31:37PM To that point also, parades. I think we ought to set parades like an Enterprise Fund or at least a separate fund.

Alan Clendenin

6:31:48PM Not allowed to talk about parades unless You start participating in them. [ laughter

Bill Carlson

6:31:52PM Parades or events. Let me read this to make IT fast. Motion to request -- here is the thing. We dont know how much parades or events cost right now. We spend a lot of time deciding how much well give nonprofits. But the services we give to an event are in-kind services. So I think we just need an accounting of IT. Set up a budget and said well spend a million dollars or two million dollars, whatever IT is on parades, then TPD could charge back that fund so they would get reimbursed. Stormwater could charge back that fund so they can get reimbursed.

Lynn Hurtak

6:32:30PM Actually, I have been working on this very thing. Ms. Kopesky could probably talk about this, too. We have been able to get the amounts for each parade except for Gasparilla and one other one.

Charlie Miranda

6:32:46PM Night parade.

Lynn Hurtak

6:32:48PM No, no. Gasparilla is the one. I keep getting the runaround. No one will answer me. Theres No Way we dont know exactly how much money were spending on Gasparilla. But they do not want US to know for whatever reason. Ms. Kopesky, could you send to everyone the information that we have compiled about the cost of the other parades?

Bill Carlson

6:33:12PM The other thing, folks that went to the mayors tent, should be the citys tent, not just the mayors tent. They are taking pictures of like castors krewe, beads and all that stuff. There are perks to being Mayor. Im not discounting that. But from a public point of view, The Public is frustrated at the commercialization of IT. Even if the City is getting that for free or whatever, I think IT should be more focused on The Public. Can I read this? I dont think IT conflicts. You have done a lot of work. So this would make this easier. Motion to request that the Administration report on June 4 as to creating a quote, unquote, event, slash, parade budget that would be approved in advance by Council. This would include all paid and in-kind services, departments such as Stormwater and TPD would be paid by this fund or reimbursed by this fund. The purpose is to give The Public transparency into the cost of events and fairly compensate departments. Just to make IT clear, im not against events or parades. The Public just wants transparency into what IT costs. If gasparilla costs $2 million, at least we know what IT is.

Alan Clendenin

6:34:26PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

6:34:27PM Im not against that. Let me say this. Sometimes people forget what they were for. Sometimes the people that go there dont have anything else in their life but to see an activity like that that really means something to a neighborhood and little kids growing up. The childrens parade is one of them. Gasparilla is another one. Night parade is another one. Were known for that. I agree with you that you should know what IT is. Let me tell you something, that is a benefit that this city has worldwide, not only in Tampa, Gasparilla and the other parades are known worldwide, not only in Tampa.

Alan Clendenin

6:35:05PM Its a complicated issue because so much goes in. All hands on deck kind of thing. Im sure the cost of even trying to calculate this is probably crazy.

Bill Carlson

6:35:14PM If they poll stormwater, water people, those are -- the public is getting charged fees for that. So its not fair to just let them have IT. Instead what we set up is a clean event budget and those departments get reimbursed. Tampa Fire Rescue, if they got reimbursed or TPD, we might be able to afford to hire more Police Officers or more Firefighters.

Alan Clendenin

6:35:39PM Its not like -- I would get IT if IT was overtime. Instead, IT is like a special duty. Instead of doing their normal work that day, they are doing this instead. I would concur if IT was an over-time budget above and beyond the normal. Lets say Person X, Administrative Person X ends up spending 60 hours a year on gasparilla related functions, processing paperwork or whatever they have to do. As long as its not overtime, just another assigned duty for the goals of the city, is that something we can really extrapolate out and should we?

Lynn Hurtak

6:36:19PM Getting the information is the important part. Not only that, we have a budget. Like, The City has to have -- they have to account for things. Thats how budgets work. Theres no harm in asking for IT. What we do with the information --

Alan Clendenin

6:36:44PM I get IT. Lets say like Air Traffic Control. Im an Air Traffic Controller, job to get from point a to point b. Lets say I get called for great american teach-in. They dont extrapolate my salary and say thats what IT costs the FAA. Its another assigned duty. Something I had to do. We do that all the time. We get assigned other things to do. I would get IT if IT is above and beyond the normal or if hiring special staff. I think I would appreciate the breakout, somebody hired specifically to do this or paid overtime. I think the decision point is, are these events aligned with the goals and the values of the City Of Tampa? Do we have a value to have a santas parade? Value to have a childrens parade?

Bill Carlson

6:37:30PM Thats why im trying to set a value on IT. Instead of back channeling and giving pieces of services, like stormwater, instead of having an argument about why were not fixing stormwater systems, we just reimburse them from --

Alan Clendenin

6:37:45PM I think weve asked and fixed that problem. Not doing that anymore.

Lynn Hurtak

6:37:49PM But they are still doing IT.

Alan Clendenin

6:37:52PM But accounting for IT.

Charlie Miranda

6:37:55PM The playground, the Parks Department, how much does IT cost the Little Leagues? How much public funds spend on them? I dont know. We have a budget in that department. The next thing is, the public ought to know how much IT costs for somebody not to pay ad valorem tax. You know what im talking about. That should be known. Im not afraid. I want to know how much money we lost, any sport in Tampa because they dont pay ad valorem tax. Come on, say yes or no. I made a motion.

Lynn Hurtak

6:38:33PM He had a motion on the floor.

Alan Clendenin

6:38:36PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

6:38:37PM So the thing is, We do have that information for almost every parade, but there are a couple of parades were still looking for the information for. If We can have the information for the santa parade And The St. Patricks parade, We should be able to have IT for Gasparilla. We just want the information. Thats all I want.

Alan Clendenin

6:38:59PM Not to complicate IT, I would be surprised --

Bill Carlson

6:39:01PM This motion is only to bring for discussion. This is for discussion.

Alan Clendenin

6:39:06PM Okay, okay. Motion from Councilman Carlson. I believe second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Nay.

Charlie Miranda

6:39:14PM No second to my motion.

The Clerk

6:39:16PM Motion carried with Clendenin voting no.

Alan Clendenin

6:39:19PM Failed to get a second. Do you want to make another motion?

Charlie Miranda

6:39:24PM I want to know how much Ad Valorem tax lost in the entities we support in sports. Not that im against sports, I want to know how much money we have lost in Ad Valorem. From the inception of the activity that started, some 30 years ago, some 20 years ago, some ten years ago.

Alan Clendenin

6:39:43PM How much money would IT cost to collect the in was?

Charlie Miranda

6:39:48PM Just call the gentleman over here that runs, The Tax Assessor.

Alan Clendenin

6:39:53PM They dont value the property.

Charlie Miranda

6:39:54PM They know the value of IT. They know the value, believe me.

Alan Clendenin

6:39:59PM I have a motion but I dont hear a second.

Charlie Miranda

6:40:03PM Okay. I just want to put IT on the record.

Alan Clendenin

6:40:06PM I believe that concludes -- more?

Bill Carlson

6:40:09PM Hit a couple more fast. So when we were talking about the store issue, I walked outside before you all did and the whole group surrounded me and they wanted me to make the motion. Its parallel to what you made earlier. Im making IT on behalf. Motion to ask the Mayor to intervene with the retailers of concern in East Tampa and to bring in Code Enforcement and TPD.

Alan Clendenin

6:40:43PM Its a --

Bill Carlson

6:40:47PM This is asking the Mayor to do IT. A request. IT is a motion to ask the Mayor.

Alan Clendenin

6:40:53PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco.

Lynn Hurtak

6:40:59PM Who is going to ask? Your Office?

Alan Clendenin

6:41:03PM I think they are listening. I always feel like somebody is watching me we have a motion and we have a second. All those in favor say Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:41:13PM Another one --

Alan Clendenin

6:41:16PM My goodness, You have been busy.

Bill Carlson

6:41:22PM A couple of years ago, we passed a rule that said that all the documents, and we had a prior rule that had loopholes. We passed a new rule that said all documents have to be in by 5 pm. On Friday. Then what the staff started doing is well give a verbal report. But when they give the verbal report, they have a powerpoint and they have handouts. I would like to make a motion to set a rule prohibiting City Staff from presenting documents or presentations that are not posted in onbase by the previous Friday at 5 pm.

Alan Clendenin

6:41:55PM We have a motion. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

6:41:57PM My only thing with that is that oftentimes I will talk to staff that week and say, hey, IT would be great if you would add this or if you would bring a visual. They say, okay, and thats on me for having done that.

Bill Carlson

6:42:13PM Ive done that, too, and They add the additional one up as an extra item or They modify IT.

Lynn Hurtak

6:42:19PM Yeah, but what im saying, if I tell them, hey, You should work on this after Friday, They May not get IT into Onbase.

Bill Carlson

6:42:27PM The problem im responding to is The Public, even today we were getting e-mails, The Public wants to see the documents in advance so they can prepare to respond to them.

Alan Clendenin

6:42:39PM IT is a little restrictive, I think.

Lynn Hurtak

6:42:42PM Ill second just to hear what Staff has to say.

Alan Clendenin

6:42:48PM Any other discussion? We have a motion. We have a second.

Bill Carlson

6:42:54PM I just said to set a rule.

Alan Clendenin

6:42:58PM Any further discussion?

Martin Shelby

6:43:00PM I think IT needs to be finalized because thats too amorphous. Put something in the rules to amend the rules of procedure at this point. I dont know if you are prepared to do that.

Bill Carlson

6:43:11PM Return on June 4.

Lynn Hurtak

6:43:13PM How about City Council discusses IT at another meeting because already 6:45.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:18PM April 7.

Bill Carlson

6:43:19PM April 7.

Martin Shelby

6:43:21PM For council discussion.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:23PM Well fill that baby up. [ laughter

Martin Shelby

6:43:26PM You can invite Staff to be present to participate in that discussion.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:29PM Ill actually vote yes on that.

Martin Shelby

6:43:32PM And maybe even ask Staff if they want to be present to help discuss that.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:35PM Yes. Can you add ask staff to be present to discuss that?

Martin Shelby

6:43:39PM May be logistics issues involved.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:41PM We have a motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

Bill Carlson

6:43:46PM One last one.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:48PM Oh, good Lord.

Bill Carlson

6:43:51PM I hardly give any. Let me read IT real fast.

Alan Clendenin

6:43:55PM He is channeling Viera.

Martin Shelby

6:43:59PM Hes filling up that April 7 meeting.

Bill Carlson

6:44:03PM Events of the last week or two have brought -- without going through all the events -- have brought up questions about what the role is of City Council in HR. The only -- a year ago or so we had a discussion about whistle-blowers and finding a better whistle-blower system. Technically, all we can do is ask and thats all with the administration. I would like to make a motion to add a question for the Charter Review Commission. And the question is, quote, should City Council serve a role regarding disputes between the Mayor and City Staff? For the public record, the voice mails ive gotten, I think we all get calls -- I get calls from staff crying about whatever their situation is. And based on andreas advice, all I can say is you need to hire a lawyer.

Alan Clendenin

6:45:05PM That would be an expansion on the one question about expanding the investigation power.

Bill Carlson

6:45:10PM This is a different thing. How do we deal with -- I can go through all the examples. Just a question of them to try to answer.

Martin Shelby

6:45:21PM If I can add to that? Councilwoman Montelione spearheaded this years ago. But we do have an ordinance now that has a whistle-blower provision. But I dont know whether City Council ever scrutinized IT and applied its effectiveness to see whether IT needs to be looked at and whether IT can be looked at and made more effective. Thats for another discussion.

Alan Clendenin

6:45:43PM I dont think theres anything wrong with forwarding Them another question for Them to look at. I dont see any problem with this one.

Bill Carlson

6:45:51PM The Mayor apparently is meeting with each of the members individually and not asking them for anything, but just meeting with them, which I think is fine, as I said before. But I think on that basis, also IT is fine for US to send another question. Probably they will say no, but when the employees call, we can say you need to talk to a Lawyer. By The Way, we asked this question and Charter Review said no.

Alan Clendenin

6:46:14PM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT.

6:46:26PM Sam, when you review this tape, make sure IT gets to them.

Lynn Hurtak

6:46:31PM Okay. Chair.

Alan Clendenin

6:46:34PM I thoroughly enjoy Ashley Morrow's Black History presentations. But I always feel bad because she comes and does all that time, I think IT is important enough to give a little more weight. Shes always good about the three-minute thing. I would like to add her as a recurring item under our presentations, commendations, presentations, for a Black History presentation from Ashley Morrow for three minutes so shes not sitting here all day to do that. She comes every week.

Lynn Hurtak

6:47:07PM I think thats fine. My only concern about that is We only have three spots for commendations and presentations.

Alan Clendenin

6:47:16PM Then this would be waive the rules --

Lynn Hurtak

6:47:21PM To add the fourth.

Martin Shelby

6:47:25PM Only in session youre allowed to do that. IT is your rules.

Lynn Hurtak

6:47:33PM Youre looking to change the rule. You want to change the rule.

Alan Clendenin

6:47:37PM Lets not call IT commendation presentation. Lets just say after commendations and presentations, well add a spot after commendations and presentations to allow Ashley Morrow to present three minutes for Black History.

Martin Shelby

6:47:50PM Could we discuss this off-line and bring IT back at the next regular meeting? Good idea but figure out how best to do that.

Alan Clendenin

6:47:56PM Why isnt IT a good idea?

Martin Shelby

6:47:58PM Because were going to be doing an update -- or youre going to be asked to update the rules.

Alan Clendenin

6:48:05PM I get IT.

Bill Carlson

6:48:06PM What about doing IT starting next Thursday because IT is Black history month.

Martin Shelby

6:48:12PM You could put IT on for presentation and put her up -- full of presentations for next week?

Lynn Hurtak

6:48:18PM No, We have workshops.

Martin Shelby

6:48:22PM There are. My eyes popped out. The 26th, By The Way, Council, your rules state that You have to have as many items as You want to get out by 1:00. You have nine items.

Lynn Hurtak

6:48:34PM I just moved one.

Martin Shelby

6:48:36PM Thats eight items by 1:00.

Lynn Hurtak

6:48:39PM Council Member carlsons is a written report. So thats two down.

Martin Shelby

6:48:45PM Seven items by 1:00.

Lynn Hurtak

6:48:47PM Im saying, though, we cut two down. Would you be willing to hold on to that?

Alan Clendenin

6:48:55PM I rescind the motion and hold on until Mr. Shelby and I have an opportunity to speak about IT. Reference these agendas and all these things. Were going to figure out a way to keep these things from happening again because this is crazy, unless you want to go to midnight. We have a motion to receive and file. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

6:49:15PM Cant help but add that if this were a night meeting night, You would be an hour and 50 minutes into your night meeting.

Lynn Hurtak

6:49:25PM Thats why we dont do night meetings on regular meetings.

Martin Shelby

6:49:28PM The Way things are going, You May have to add to them.

Alan Clendenin

6:49:31PM Before we get to receive and file, I want to ask you guys on Staff Reports if, one, do you need the information? Think about IT because of this workload. Two, if you need the information, can IT be written? If IT can be written, please, please, please make IT a written report because the Staff Reports Are Taking Way too much time. I want to remind everybody that when we allow for commendation, we limit the commendations to how many minutes, suling? Five minutes. So we have to really get that down. Thats part of what ate up our time this morning. Well work on some of the other things as we move forward. Mr. Shelby, thoughts?

Martin Shelby

6:50:14PM Just also there are councils own rules and they are relatively recent, but I havent looked at them too long, if IT is a non-city business commendation IT requires a memo in advance from the Council Member to the Council as to who IT is and why they need IT.

Alan Clendenin

6:50:32PM I dont remember. We have a motion to receive and file and we have a second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. We are adjourned. [ sounding gavel disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings May need to hire a court reporter. © - City Of Tampa (813) 274-8211