City Council — September 3, 2026 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:03:14AM Welcome to Tampa City Council regular council meeting. I'd like to call this meeting to order. And if we could all rise and join us in a moment of silence, and then Councilman Miranda will lead us in the pledge. [Moment of silence]

9:03:41AM Councilwoman Hurtak, you had something you wanted to say?

Lynn Hurtak

9:03:44AM I think our moment of silence should include gloria steinem who passed away this morning -- or last night. [Pledge of allegiance]

Alan Clendenin

9:04:17AM Thank you. Clerk, could you call the roll, please?

Charlie Miranda

9:04:20AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:04:21AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:04:21AM Here.

Naya Young

9:04:22AM Here.

Luis Viera

9:04:23AM Here.

Bill Carlson

9:04:24AM Here.

The clerk

9:04:25AM And Clendenin.

Alan Clendenin

9:04:28AM Here.

The clerk

9:04:29AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:04:30AM Thank you. Good morning. Can I get a motion to adopt the minutes from the regular session held on August 27, 2026? Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Agenda review, please. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

9:04:50AM Yes, I asked that items 34, 41, 42 and 43 to be heard together so staff can display the map on the wolf.

Alan Clendenin

9:05:01AM Motion to move 41, 42, 43 to be heard after 34. All those in favor say aye. Ayes have it. A request to continue item number 5 to October 1, 2026. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I spoke with Director Feeley this morning, her request to remove item 47 to September 17, 2026. She'll have additional information at that point. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Item 48, request to move it to October 22, 2026. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Anything else before we get to staff reports?

Lynn Hurtak

9:05:51AM Motion to approve the written staff reports.

Alan Clendenin

9:05:53AM Motion to receive and file the written staff reports, 49 and 50 from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Viera. Hello, Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Let's look at staff reports and what we need for staff. 33, no staff. We are going to use staff for 34 through 43. How about 35? No. none for 35. 36. I think we might need to hear from 36 to 39. We'll have staff for those. 40. No. hearing none. No staff for item number 40. 44? No. okay. 45?

Lynn Hurtak

9:07:00AM I thought they were coming for 44. Maybe I'm wrong.

Guido Maniscalco

9:07:04AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:07:05AM 45 yes. Let's have staff for 45. 46?

Guido Maniscalco

9:07:22AM [Inaudible]

Charlie Miranda

9:07:24AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:07:25AM Yes. 44 we do need staff. 44 we do need staff. Thank you, sam.

Martin Shelby

9:07:35AM 44 and 46.

Alan Clendenin

9:07:37AM Yes.

Martin Shelby

9:07:39AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:07:40AM 47 we continued. 48 we continued. Anything else before we have a motion to approve the agenda?

Luis Viera

9:07:47AM I apologize. Did we do item 4 -- strike that. I'm sorry. Item 5, continuing that to October 1st?

Alan Clendenin

9:08:00AM Yes. We've continued item 5. We continued item 47 and 48. Motion to approve the agenda, please? Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. For everybody's information, there are a lot of new faces here. Won't be new to you -- well, it is new to you but new to you for the first time. Last meeting we approved new rules and procedures for Tampa City Council and they are in effect today except what we're going to do for public comment. Because we approved it on Thursday and they published the agenda on Friday, we're going to combine the public comment. So we'll have the -- [no audio] -- you need to specify on the speaker card which item you want to speak to. All doesn't cut it. I need you to specify which items you are here to speak to. If you are here to speak to items city business not on the agenda, we'll do that after we do the agenda items. That's what we're going to do this morning. Next City Council meeting, we'll continue. The other big change today, for those of you wearing uniforms in blue and our first responders today, it's a little bit different. We're going to recognize you all today and then the folks in the community that want to recognize you, we'll do one single time so that members of the Fire Department and the representatives from the Fire Department, representatives of the Police Department will remain at the podium and members of the community will recognize you together so we'll have one single time for that recognition. Thank you so much. Did I miss Anything, Mr. Shelby?

Martin Shelby

9:09:46AM No, sir.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:47AM Very good. We'll start with Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

9:10:02AM Thank you, Mr. Chair. It is my great pleasure to do our officer of the month. For this, we have our chief. We always do this to express our support for our police officers and firefighters, and something that pretty much all folks in the City of Tampa do. So we'll go for it. Tampa Police Department. We are here this morning to recognize Detective Taylor HART for our September officer of the month, 2026. Taylor has been with the Tampa Police Department 15 years and served 6 yores as a detective. His exceptional investigative work targeting and dismantling major drug trafficking organizations responsible for distributing dangerous narcotics throughout the Tampa Bay area. He is assigned to the high intensity drug trafficking area task force and serving as task force officer with homeland security investigations. He handles complex, long-term investigations focused on drug traffickers, distributors and sources of supply. As lead detective in a multistate drug traffic investigation, detective HART helped dismantle major narcotics distribution network operating throughout Hillsborough and pasco counties. The investigation resulted in 6 federal indictments, removal of large quantities of narcotics from our community. Those convicted received significant federal prison sentences including one sentence of 20 years. In a separate investigation targeting major fentanyl traffic organization, detective HART worked alongside state and federal partners to identify key traffickers, disrupt their service supply. Investigation resulted in 7 search warrants, 12 arrest warrants and seizure of significant amount of fentanyl, methamphetamine, cocaine, firearms and $25,000 in currency. Related investigation led to prosecution of major fentanyl supplier who faced a 27-year prison sentence. His investigative work helped take dangerous drugs off the streets, held high level traffickers accountable and dismantled supply of narcotics in the region. We would like to recognize him as the September officer of the month. [ applause ]

9:12:14AM Again, Mr. Chairman, we're doing the gifts at one time. I'm a slow learner. Sir, detective, on behalf of a really grateful City of Tampa and City Council, our great pleasure to honor you for all of the work you have done protecting our community. [ applause ] I appreciate it. Obviously it's not a one-person adventure. I couldn't do it without the support of our command staff. Chief, I appreciate it. My current Sergeant, Michael lipple, absolutely instrumental in the whole thing. I appreciate that. Obviously, my family and everyone who has supported me along the way. Thank you very much. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:13:02AM On behalf of Tampa City Council, thank you for everything you do for the city and keeping us safe. I appreciate the fact that you call out your colleagues because it's always a team effort. Thank you very much. [ applause ] Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

9:13:19AM Now we do fire. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Chief Tripp, if you would like to come forward, ma'am, you may. It's next time for our firefighter of the quarter. It's for lieutenant barbaro dominguez. To speak on this wonderful firefighter, we have Chief Tripp.

Chief Tripp

9:13:39AM Good morning, council. Chief Barbara Tripp here. I am proud to announce lieutenant barbaro dominguez as firefighter of the quarter. He's one of our b shifters, lieutenant assigned to station five. He's been with Tampa Fire Rescue over four years. During the four years, he have been very, very busy. During that time he quickly established himself as an exceptional member of the Fire Department. Lieutenant dominguez came to Tampa Fire Rescue as a paramedic and following his six months probation, he was the first employee to immediately go into the rescue division. He quickly became a stand-out member of the division. His advanced medical knowledge, field experience and dedication to patients led him to become a paramedic field officer with only a few short years on the job. Lieutenant dominguez embraced the role of educator, mentor, taking great pride in developing members just beginning their careers as well as those working toward the next level within Tampa Fire Rescue. He dedicated countless hours in assisting members helping them identify their weakness, strengths and knowledge and develop the confidence and skills necessary to succeed. He also served as a lead instructor for Hillsborough community college -- sorry, Hillsborough College now, paramedic program. His commitment to education extends well beyond simply checking the box on completing an assignment. He genuinely enjoys teaching and taking pride in seeing others improve. One of lieutenant dominguez greatest strengths is willingness to invest in other people. If he encounters someone who is not ready for an evaluation or next step in the career, he doesn't simply tell them they are not ready. Instead, he takes the time to identify where they are lacking, build them up and provide them with the tools they need and work with them as they prepare to move forward. This is what we need for our community to make sure that we have competent, trained individuals to respond to our community. Lieutenant dominguez represents the type of member and future leader that every Fire Department needs. He is an educator, mentor, leader, and someone committed to making those around him better. Tampa Fire Rescue is fortunate to have someone like lieutenant barbaro dominguez. His dedication, passion and commitment to developing others are deserving of recognizing him as firefighter of the quarter. Congratulations. [ applause ]

Luis Viera

9:16:16AM Sir, on behalf of a very grateful Tampa City Council and City of Tampa, we really thank you for all your service. We're honored to present this. Thank you, sir. If you would like to say anything, you may. [ applause ] thank you for being fair. If I take all the recognition without recognizing all those responsible for this. My parents are here today. Linda, my mom, they are responsible for me today. When I came from Cuba, I was nervous and scared. Really challenging for me. They opened their home to me. They guided me through the process. They gave me everything I needed to be where I am today. My wife, my son, they are also here today. They are my life in the days of darkness. The job is very difficult as we all know. There are days that we come home carrying everything with us and they are there to support me. Tampa Fire Rescue, Chief Tripp, you gave me the platform to excel. You believed in me and here I am making you proud. Thank you again for the opportunity. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:17:29AM I have to correct Chief Tripp. It's not just Tampa Fire Rescue is lucky to have you, it's the entire City of Tampa lucky to have you. Thank you for your service. And both our officer, firefighter and paramedic, you have a great support structure behind you. Thank you guys for coming out for your brothers in uniform. Thank you very much. Councilman Viera, would you like to welcome the community up?

Luis Viera

9:17:56AM Yes. This is the first time. I guess we first had police.

Alan Clendenin

9:18:04AM Everybody line up one time and do both together.

Luis Viera

9:18:07AM I'm very stupid/smart person I guess. Come forward members of the community and we'll do police and fire. This plaque to detective HART for a job well done. [ applause ] also on behalf of pete brevi and busch gardens, I have tickets for both the officer and firefighter. They are in my car, so we'll catch up with them later. [ laughter ] and lieutenant dominguez. Grace gonzalez here on behalf of the gonzmart family and 1905 family of restaurants. We want to say thank you so much for being here in Tampa. Thank you for your commitment to Tampa and your family's sacrifices that you make all the time. We want to thank you with gift cards. Please enjoy a dinner at any of the columbia restaurant locations, oldest restaurant in Florida. We have flamenco shows. Enjoy ulele. Congratulations. [ applause ] mary lou bailey. I'm here on behalf of Zoo Tampa where I serve on the board. We're not used to doing this together. It's kind of hard. I want to shake your hand for taking drugs off the street. I love your mentoring story and appreciation of your family. You are exemplary citizens and we appreciate you so much. We prepared some tokens for you. In addition to the tchotchke stuff, you have an annual membership to the zoo. We hope you go out and relax sometimes. It's a beautiful place to be. We hope you love animals as much as you love protecting the citizens. I want to say thank you -- I know. But I wanted to say thank you to all the guys and gals in service. We love you. Thank you for protecting our city. [ laughter ] [ applause ] jill witecki, Tampa theatre. Everything my colleagues just said. Thank you so much for what you do for Tampa. Those are annual memberships to come see us at Tampa theatre as we celebrate our hundredth birthday next month. [ applause ] I'm lori osborne with the Florida orchestra. Good morning, detective and lieutenant. Thank you so much for everything you do. On behalf of the Florida orchestra, we would love to invite you to one of our shows in the upcoming season. Please bring you, a guest, and your family. I want to shake your hands. Thank you for making our city safer and so much better. Thank you to all of you and thank you to all of you. [ applause ] Brian ford with the Tampa Bay buccaneers. Thank you for keeping this tradition going. Chief and chief, thank you. Detective, and lieutenant, thank you very much. Not only to you but your family for their support of you so you can keep our great city safe. On behalf of the glazer family and our entire organization, we have a little tradition at one buc. Anybody that goes over and above -- and I hope we give out a lot of game balls with this season starting up next week. Anybody that goes over and above gets a game ball. I'm here very humbly to present you your very own game ball. Lieutenant, thank you very much. Thank you for your service and sacrifice. Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

9:21:44AM Start a tradition, you should go long and throw.

9:21:51AM Wishing you guys a great season. Leo geary with bill currie ford and Dennis Montero. Congratulations detective and lieutenant. Thank you so much for everything that you guys do. Like every one of you guys that puts the uniform on every single day, I appreciate you guys. You guys do everything and sacrifice everything for us to keep the City of Tampa safe. We appreciate it. On behalf of bill currie, I want to present you a handwritten letter from Jennifer curry herself and then a gift certificate for full free maintenance on your personal vehicle and other goodies in there as well. [ applause ] mike mcarthur, stepp's towing service. Congratulations on a job well done. You are such an important part of our communities. Without you guys, we're in a much better place because of both of you. Thank you for all your services. Behalf of Todd stepp and stepp's towing, present you with a hundred dollar gift card. Take your family out to dinner. Enjoy some time off. You deserve it. Thank you. [ applause ] thank you so much for keeping our streets safe. Thank you for teaching our youth and our future. We have two tickets to see the art of banksy at the straz center right now. Come enjoy some arts. Thank you. Same to you. Enjoy. Thank you, everybody. [ applause ] I'm from the Tampa riverwalk. Thank you guys so much for the sacrifice you do every day. We're so grateful to have you be a part of our community. We have personalized pavers located along the Tampa riverwalk for all your accomplishments and dinner for two aboard the yacht SHIP. [ applause ] Steve Michelini representing several different folks who would like to recognize you. One is the ciccio restaurant group. They are providing you with a gift certificate so you can enjoy yourself breakfast, lunch or dinner. On behalf of Jackson's bistro on Harbour Island, gift certificate. Enjoy yourself lunch or dinner. On behalf of meat market in old Hyde Park, enjoy yourself over there. Yummy house china bistro, enjoy yourself there. That's all I have for you. [ laughter ] [ applause ]

9:24:42AM Looking to exit stage right. Thank you very much, everybody. We'll pause for a moment and let people clear out before we continue. And people clear in. Thank you guys. We had requested additional time. I understand the council member has to make that motion.

9:27:34AM Unfortunately, that would not be in appropriate order -- that would not be appropriate from the podium. That would have had to come during agenda review from a councilperson.

9:27:49AM Yes.

9:27:57AM You had me panicked when I looked out and didn't see you out there. Hispanic heritage committee, representative from the Hispanic heritage committee. Good morning. Would you start with your name, please? Let us know why you are here. My name is naomi candelaria. Current chair of the Hispanic heritage committee. Personal invite to 38th annual event. It will be held at the Convention Center this year. Normally it's at the theater, but we know those renovations are happening, 11:00 on the 29th. Please save the date. We look forward to having to you celebrate our Hispanic culture within the city holistically as employees and as citizens. Thank you very much.

9:28:44AM Thank you. If you've never been, they do a great show. It's a great presentation. Excellent entertainment. Good times will be had by all. Thank you very much for being here. I greatly appreciate it.

9:28:57AM I saw darden rice enter the room. PSTA. And Adam. Come on forward. Adam Purcell, transportation services director. We've been coordinating with PSTA on the cross bay ferry. At your request, invited them in this morning to give an update. I'll turn it over to dardon. My name is darden rice. Chief Planning and community affairs officer for PSTA. Thank you for inviting us here to give a brief update on the Tampa Bay ferry. I'm also joined today by my Planning Director Nicole duffa. As I'm sure you guys have heard, a lot of people, including you, including me, are very excited about the Tampa Bay ferry. For those who aren't completely familiar with the whole service, the Tampa Bay ferry service will connect downtown st. petersburg and the north vinoy basin to downtown Tampa by the Convention Center with reliable year-round service. It will reduce congestion on the cross bay bridges. It will help provide an alternative, family friendly transportation option for both commuters and recreational travelers alike. This will help support our regional tourism, our economic activity and expanded mobility. This will help reduce the cost to the cities over the previous cross bay ferry pilot while offering more service year-round. Because PSTA will actually own the boats and the marine will be the operator. $350,000 from the city of st. pete and the same amount, thank you, supported by this council and the City of Tampa. Thank you. Anything important that we do in our region, as you know, it's done with really strong partnerships and we're so glad to work with you and Adam Purcell, your transportation services director. Excitingly, the two vessels that we purchased with the grant money that was transferred from HART, those boats are here. It's real, it's happening. The 1994 bay breeze 250 passenger vessel is here. The 1990 bay clipper, 150 passenger vessel is here as well. They are both in tarpon springs going through the progress of being refurbished, fixed up. And when we're ready to reveal the new branding and the name of the service, of course, all of you will be invited to be there as part of it. We're looking forward to a launch of the service late fall, early 2027. We're really thrilled to hear that PSTA got a $16.5 million grant. This will go towards buying -- excuse me, having a new boat built to spec. That will be part of continuing to expand the water-born transit and Tampa Bay which I think a lot of you may agree that this is something that's really overdue to our region for a long time. I don't know if you have any questions, but just wanted to say thank you. We're excited about it. It's moving forward. We couldn't do this without your support.

9:32:36AM Thank you for coming. PSTA is a really important partner with the City of Tampa and Hillsborough county and transit. Those of you that don't know, the leadership that they have shown in getting this ferry system established, we worked in cooperation. We transferred the grant over for them to take over the leadership on this has been remarkable. The acquisition with hubbard, with the boats, again, this is going to be reliable, frequent transit between downtowns because it really, not just a small step forward, it's a giant leap forward in using our waterways for transit like great cities do. Around the world, you see these examples of great cities using their waterways. I'm really excited and appreciative of you and your team over in pinellas county for bringing this forward and assisting Hillsborough county and City of Tampa in this type of transportation. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

9:33:43AM Thank you to PSTA for their leadership. I don't think I said this last time. Thank you for your leadership. When you were at st. pete City Council you were one of the top leaders promoting transportation solutions in the region. I'm so excited that you are at the finish line with this important solution and look forward to seeing your leadership help us achieve many more like this. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:34:04AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:34:05AM Can you tell us the distance time from one port to another one?

9:34:10AM Costing us 350,000 a year or just one time? Ferryboat captains' fuel and maintenance and st. petersburg is matching the same amount.

9:34:28AM What is the fee to ride the ferry? However, we are looking at a possible price escalator because of fuel prices have been up and down. There may be like a $2 price escalator because gas prices have been impacting our budget.

9:34:57AM One way you said?

9:35:00AM How get back? Pay another $10? The cross bay ferry was 12.

9:35:06AM The frequency of travel? We're hoping to have this be something that runs year round. We're looking at everyday service. Again, that's something that we're costing out. One of the biggest variables has been fuel.

9:35:21AM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:35:22AM Thank you very much. Thank you for crossing the bay and challenging the traffic. Next time maybe you'll be riding a boat over here. Thank you so much. Thank you.

9:35:32AM Very good. We have about 40 requests for public speakers. Obviously, if we do three minutes, any desire to reduce that to two? Just wanted to ask. If you are here for public comment, we'll be flexible because we are starting new stuff. If you are here for public comment and going to speak to an on-agenda item, you should have filled out one of these cards. If you have not done that, you need to seek out staff and ask them to fill out a card. For agenda items you need to check yes and list the agenda item that you wish to speak to. We're going to call the people that filled out these cards speaking to agenda items first. If you are here to speak to city business that's not on the agenda, I believe they filled out cards, click no. but it's got to be city business. We're only talking about city business now. This has to be something that the city controls. Mr. Shelby, do you want any remarks for public comment?

Martin Shelby

9:36:37AM Public comment, just for the public's information, the rules that had been adopted last week are available. The link to it is on the City Council's web page at tampa.gov/city-council. Those will take effect in full the next regular meeting, the 17th of September. And we will have signage. And we have prepared also a qr code that will take you directly to that link. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:37:15AM Okay. I'm going to call at least three names at a time to expedite this. The first speaker, when you come to the podium, again, I see a lot of new faces. When you come to the podium, there is a microphone embedded in the podium. You need to speak towards us so your voice is picked up. You always start with your name. This is for the record so the clerk can record your name in the minutes. When I call your name, please come up at least three at a time. One person will come to the podium, start with the name. When the green light comes on, you'll have three minutes. When there's 30 seconds left, there will be a yellow light. That means 30 seconds. When it turns red, you are done. You'll either stop yourself or I'll stop you. First we have Jamie adair, item 28, carroll ann Bennett, item 44, vic dimaio items 36 through 39. I am here to re-present when you finally get to 28, it will be about an allowance and whatnot. I'm waiting on a phone call from the department about where staffing is with that, general explanation. No ditches left behind trust. As council has noticed, there are a few problems in the city that just seemingly won't go away. Through funding it directly through a trust, much like we did with the rays, we can control where funding is spent. The council would be the trustees. The contractor to do these ditches would be stormwater and if the work is not done, it doesn't get paid for. You guys control those funds. I hope we can get it done in this funding cycle. This is a big deal. I chose today not to give you all of the data. It's bad. It's not great. Not great at all. I am trying to work with the department to try to get improvement before this happens. But this is my last ditch before we need to start calling for jobs. It's a big deal, guys. If we can get this done, it could be a model for other trouble spots. We had conversation about paving previously where money was not spent where it was expected to. We need to take heart and do very dramatic things. I know that legal will probably have a hissy fit and will think this is not something we traditionally do. We did it with the rays. Do it with CRAs, we can do it with this as well. These ditches are very, very far behind, at least 16 months.

9:39:50AM Carroll ann Bennett followed by vick dimaio and then conroy. My name is carroll ann Bennett. Lifelong resident of Tampa. I'm here to speak on item 44. I strongly recommend that you do not do this. It's a very bad idea. If you read the staff report, you can see why I talked to the Planning Commission on this. I am on the land development code advisory committee. One of the goals is to reduce the categories. This does the exact opposite. I think it will be a big, big problem. I think it will be extremely expensive to administrate. A lot of cost to both the city and the county. It is a solution in search of a problem. I want to say also as a lifelong, native floridian, before I was born, Florida has always been known to be basically controlled by developers when we were nothing -- going back to when we were nothing but swamp. And nothing about that has changed. My father-in-law owned a construction company in New York. He bought a piece of land that was .93 acres. The zoning was one house per acre. There wasn't even a way for him to ask for two houses. They didn't even have the mechanism for that. Many municipalities, they achieved consistency. They achieved predictability. They achieved stability by not having this constant, constant effort at rezoning. I was speaking to people recently who feel like they need to leave Tampa because they have no idea what to expect. They feel like they have to be vigilant every moment to keep on guard for third rate, lousy projects. I think that this is just going to open the door for that. What happens is someone buys a piece of property. What it's worth is what they can build on it today. That's due diligence. And what happens is either they pay too much because maybe they can get a rezoning and now they are desperate because they are going to lose money or they pay the correct price and they are like, hey, you know what, if I get a rezoning, I can really get a windfall and make a killing on this deal. Comes before you all the time. Item 44 is just going to suck resources and make things a lot worse. I strongly urge you to not go forward with this idea. Thank you very much. My partner in crime can't be here today because of emergency surgery. Sorry I can't fill her shoes. But I got to go.

9:42:29AM Thank you, Ms. Bennett. Vic dimaio, jeff conroy, followed by ashley morrow. And Barbara stern or stein. See staff to fill out your card to identify which agenda item, please. 1205 North Franklin Street. I attended the open houses that -- I guess you call them town halls -- at the epicurean hotel a couple of days ago. I was impressed with the experts there. I'm urging the council to reconsider approving this today. There was a proposal, if I told you, for example, that a guy and came and asked to build a house and it was a hundred million dollars and I said I've got another gentleman who can do it for 80, the city could save over $20 million in this operation. If you at least consider the option that we have. When I looked at the options considered by the city, nowhere did it mention anything about utilizing vaults to store the water and convey it later. That's one of the options we presented. It is a lot cheaper. Can be done in 18 months versus four years. The people in Parkland Estates, Palma Ceia Pines can get a lot of relief a lot quicker, a lot faster, a lot cheaper and a lot easier. If you spend a hundred million dollars versus 80, that's irresponsible. I think you're going to encourage this amendment 3 to go forward and then you'll really be in a pickle. I think if you have an option to take a breath, this is only 60% approval. Still have 90% and then hundred. Plans aren't signed and sealed yet. There are no permits out there yet. You have an opportunity to look at an alternative and ask for time to look at the alternative that we are presenting. That's what I'm asking the council to do today. Please give that opportunity. We have three experts, David deloach, he's got a 19 page resum . He's been doing this type of work all over the country. I would put his resum among any that the city has or even higher. Hank fishkind, one of the top economic guys in the country, did an impact statement that said 1200 jobs and $190 million of negative impact will be happening during this project. $190 million. Who is going to pay that bill when those people are laid off from work? Who is going to pay the $1200 -- the 1200 jobs that are going to be lost up and down Howard when they tear the street up for four years? This is an opportunity to take a breath, look at an alternative plan, listen to what the experts have to say and, frankly, ed de la parte, who is also working with the group, is an amazing attorney. He's been doing this his whole life. The attorney for S.W.F.W.M.D. For many years. Knows what he's talking about. Please listen to what they have to say and an opportunity to offer an alternative plan to what the city is being introduced to, to ask you to approve. Thank you.

9:45:26AM Thank you, vic. Ashley, very similar name, standing behind you. [ laughter ] we've got jeff conroy and ashley -- is it m-o-r-o-n, is that right?

9:45:51AM We have jeff and then ashley moran and then Pamela cannella. Jeff, start with your name, please. You have three minutes. My name is jeff conroy. I am the managing board member for the South Tampa medical center. I've been before you before at previous meetings. I partly come to talk about numbers. After hearing the last speech, I think I'll carry on with a counter to that speech. What I hear from some of the people is delay, delay, delay, let's look at another alternative. Let'S Look At Another Way to do this. I was also in my previous life a heavy structural engineer and worked on all kinds of projects. There's always another way to do it but this one is being looked at in many, many different ways. I think over two dozen routes looked at. This one is set to go. It's mostly designed, and it's ready to go. We really should be considering to let go now. If you look at our single building, 50,000-square-foot medical building. We have the pleasure of using the ab pond, the initiation ground zero for this new drainage system. When I look at the floods that have gone through that building over the last 20 years, we've already spent over $10 million just in the impact reconstruction of the building, losses to the medical practice. That doesn't include all the patients that get dislodged for months at a time. That causes not only a problem in our facilities for the doctors to see those patients and it affects all floors because of access to the building is difficult. That creates a backlog that also carries on to the hospitals like hca. And this creates a serious problem all the way down the line. We are one single building. Over the last 20 years, we accounted for 10% of this budget. One building, 50,000-square-foot medical building that has amazing impact when we get flooded. Two inches of water will shut down the first floor for over a month, maybe two months. While we have great sympathy for the businesses on South Howard, this is a part of the cost of doing business when you live in the city, especially when a project is neglected this long. They can plan for what's going to happen to them. When we get the floods, not only do we not get the chance to plan, we get hit by all kind of massive outrageous construction cost. The first is the remediation company. They come in and charge four or five times what it should cost to put the building back together. We don't want to have mold issues, more water damage. Then the next wave of contractors. It goes on and on. Please look at this. Do not delay. It's essential for the medical community and probably several other communities I'm sure you will hear from. Thank you very much.

9:48:42AM If you saw me pass a note, public disclosure, speaker request form to speak about Councilman Viera's awesome hair. Subsequently found out that Councilman Viera submitted that speaker request form.

Luis Viera

9:48:59AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:49:02AM Not as nice as mine. Ashley. Hello. Here we are again. I sincerely hope this is the very last time we have to be here. During these past two years, I often find myself feeling sick to my stomach that we are having to fight for a project that the city knows and you all know needs to happen. How do we invest in fixing our homes when without this project we are likely to flood again? I don't know what the answer is supposed to be for us if we don't do something about it. We deserve to live safely in our homes. The issue is not magically going to disappear. Just last week, two cars were stranded in floodwaters on fountain during a regular rainstorm. The city acknowledges the problem and has spent over ten years coming up with a solution. Please vote to move forward with this project. We pay our property taxes just like the businesses who are fighting this project. There is the talk of the millions of dollars of South Howard businesses may lose but never any acknowledgment of the collective millions of dollars that those of us who flooded already lost and will lose again because it is likely to happen again. We deserve to live safely in our homes. Thank you.

9:50:08AM Thank you, ashley. Pam cannella followed by Michelle Mastrototaro, followed by valdes. Because the last time I didn't like what I got. How do I get this down?

9:50:34AM Start with your name. This thing is not clear.

9:50:39AM It will clear up on its own. They will clear it for you behind the scenes. I'm almost ready. My name is pam cannella. We do not need a South Howard project that has massive impacts. No flooding benefits, and a large price that doesn't allow for other stormwater projects. The massive culverts and extensive digging makes Bayshore royal vulnerable to foundation cracks or collapsing. You can see in the picture, there's the wall and it's right on the sidewalk. Blocking Howard makes it impossible for 18-wheelers to detour through neighborhoods. The solution -- here is another picture. This is what we have going through neighborhoods. The solution of flooding in Palma Ceia Pines and parkland is cleaning and updating the cleveland drainage basin, which includes a network of extensive storm drainage system. This system controlled flooding till 2015 when flooding first occurred. The permit conditions at the time of construction stated that the entity accept responsibility of operating and maintaining the system, yet decades of neglect of maintenance led to its failure and the prevention of flooding. Another condition was for future alterations of the system as needed. The cleveland storm drainage basin, due to the lack of funding, did not do the preferred upgrades for future development and was left to be done at a later date. So, again, like the manhattan project, neighborhood was left to flood. Now is the time to clean and upgrade the cleveland street basin drainage project. My concerns, the point for an extensive drainage system is to allow stormwater to be stored and directed and diffused through the system to prevent flooding in one area. The purpose of the Howard project is to direct large volumes of stormwater to one area. Bayshore and Howard. Make an already vulnerable area for flooding more vulnerable. Kennedy will no longer flood do you tell the replacement of collapsed inlets and pipes. Stormwater overflow will drain into Palma Ceia Pines and create more flooding if Palma Ceia is not addressed now. I just want to say, Mr. David Adams from Parkland Estates, I want to address him because he made a good point in an interview for channel 10. I don't like to think that council understands that the needs of many, all the people who flooded are more important than the needs of the few. [ sounding gavel ]

9:53:38AM Thank you, pam.

9:53:42AM Thank you, Pamela. Have a nice day. Michelle Mastrototaro. Hi, Michelle. Good morning. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. I am not a paid spokesperson. I came here today on my own dime. I took off work because I'm very passionate about what's going on. I had the pleasure of going to the soho alliance meeting, and it opened up my eyes to alternatives with less than what we are asking for right now. There are 13 reasons that they gave us, which was, you know, valid. My concern is, when you put a 10 by 10, all the infrastructure around it and the business, those will get weakened. That right there, we have to look at because we're responsible, right? Because the city. They forget to say that they need this land to even get this project on, which you're not even talking about. I don't know how it is funded already. This is their project that they are projecting. It's running through the business. The one, the soho. They have to go around. It's about a seven-minute drive, all those people and businesses, which is not feasible. It's not fair for these people. This is their projected. This is one of few that they have. It's gone through residential. I'm not too sure how residential people feel, but I think it's less invasive and it's the same as going through the business area and it's not causing the business people to lose their businesses, people to lose their jobs. When it comes to the funding, which this is about, they are saying soho projected the project, about 130 of the end. This is only 87, which is a lot fairer and fair for people like me, who this is my front yard still. Still got the water. I lost everything. My park is being destroyed. We come back on the 17th. It needs to be addressed. The streets are all flooded. It's a river. When we look, all this money getting taken from us, when the mayor in 2024 sat up here and talked about the CIT funds and how she wants to do all this stuff for everybody. What's going on? Now everything is getting taken and we're not getting no help in South Tampa and East Tampa are suffering.

9:56:56AM Thank you so much.

9:57:00AM We have Kevin valdes, followed by patrick cimino followed by jose lucena. Good morning, members of the City Council. My wife and my three-year-old daughter and 15-month-old son live at habana and horatio. I stood ever but to tell what hurricane milton did. Today I am back because you have the opportunity to do something about it. We chose a brand-new townhome flood zone x. We do what responsible homeowners are to do. When milton came. We evacuated. We never expected to return home to find two feet of rainwater inside. Our first home was destroyed. Rebuilding took months, cost us about $90,000 out of pocket and completely drained our emergency savings. Six months ago I told you that. Luck is not a strategy. Today, we are more than our stories. We have the engineering. The city analysis of milton's rainfall found that with phase one, 225 of the 333 ground floors that flooded would have stayed dry. Even among those that would still have flooded, peak water levels would have been 15 to 17 inches lower. I understand this project is expensive and construction will be disruptive to businesses along South Howard. Those concerns are real. But there's also a cost to delay. I know that some will say delaying this project isn't doing nothing. It's considering alternatives but 24 alternatives have already been evaluated including five by the business alliance. At some point continuing to look at alternatives that is less disruptive does not make it the best engineering solution. It just delays a solution that's already in front of us. And the people who carry the risk that delay our families like mine. Another storm will come. We don't know when. I don't want another family standing here explaining that they lost their homes while we continue debating a flooding problem that we already know how to address. I respectfully ask you to vote yes on South Howard flood relief project. Thank you.

9:59:07AM Thank you. Appreciate it. Patrick, followed by jose, followed by maegen luka. My name is patrick cimino, hhpa Hyde Park neighborhood association land use chair. Our neighborhood straddles the east side of Howard and the board's concerns continue with this 40 plus-year-old proposal to build a culvert down Howard. The neighborhood leadership has worked with the Howard alliance, and we appreciate their effort to hold the city accountable. The alliance has funded a proposal as the serious alternative to the city Howard project. The city has not been very forthcoming with alternatives. I've been involved the whole time in this project. Concerns include, Tampa does not maintain the existing stormwater infrastructure. City Council is well aware of this. I've heard data presented here multiple times. The alliance proposal emphasizes this low-hanging fruit. Tampa has no strategic plan for the multifaceted challenge of stormwater. The city and alliance proposals address heavy seasonal rains but not tropical inundations particularly with storm surge like helene and milton. The city tried deceptively to claim initially it did. It doesn't. You all have heard it here. We do not support the city project. The city does not have hydrologic experts. The city proposal would be extremely disruptive for years threatening many businesses, neighborhoods, and structures without considering good alternatives. And Howard doesn't have significant flooding itself. Not that we're insensitive to the neighbors. The business alliance has provided an expert alternative that is much less disruptive and explains -- expands the benefits to areas like Palma Ceia Pines that the city project doesn't include in this current phase. It is much more cost-effective. The city budget is extremely worrisome. The common refrain is, we don't have the money. You're right. It's been stated to council and the city project will take more than five years of stormwater capital expenditure. We need to consider the serious negative impact on other areas that monopolizing so much stormwater funding will have. It is unfortunate the city has been so obstructionist and opaque, driving the community to litigation rather than working to come upon a reasonable opportunity. It's been two years. 40 years the whole project. Don't you want the best use of our precious resources? The board of hhpa appreciates the alliance efforts to produce a much more reasonable alternative and recommends the council reject the city's unreasonable request. Thank you.

10:02:06AM Thank you, patrick. Jose followed by maegen luka followed by tina Adams. Good morning, start with your name. You have three minutes. Jose lucena, entrepreneur and candidate for City Council district 6. I am here to talk about the stormwater management project on South Howard. I attended a meeting Tuesday evening hosted by the soho business alliance. In this meeting, they presented a reasonable argument to oppose this $100 million project, but most importantly, they presented a viable option that would not cause catastrophic economic impact on this very lucrative business district. The current proposal will drive off small businesses and have a very significant negative financial impact on the rest of the businesses in the soho district. You may ask yourself, why do I care? I care because as a district that I'm hoping to represent, district 6, this would be taking money away from projects for district 6. I don't see myself ever voting in favor of something that would negatively impact my district. It would also take money away from projects in other districts. I urge you to fulfill your financial fiduciary responsibilities to each district that you represent and not only hear out this proposal, this viable proposal to address the flooding, but also seriously consider other alternatives that would not have this financial impact. The extreme financial impacts translates into tax dollars that we will not be receiving. Antioch the city is in any position right now to have any kind of unnecessary tax dollars strain our revenue that we will not be getting, especially since we entered into such an important agreement to bring our Tampa Bay Rays over to call Tampa home. Thank you for your time.

10:04:06AM Thank you, jose. Maegen luka, tina Adams, followed by David Adams. Fyi for staff or anybody waiting for business, we'll have at least another hour and fifteen plus minutes for public comment. Just for Planning purposes. Maegen luka. Bern's sister restaurant haven was torn down months ago. It is an empty lot. Fresh kitchen burned to the ground. Empty lot. Copper finish restaurant empty lot on South Howard for years. Bern's closed for three weeks in 2023 for renovations. Approximately one week shorter than the length of time this project is expected to be in front of that building. It closed completely. It didn't go out of business. Bern's and the surrounding businesses likewise survive the road closures when the epicurean hotel was under construction. There was no plan for the South Howard businesses when the epicurean blocked roads and made them impassable for months, actually, years. For this project, though, there is a plan. The city has financial supports in place to assist the businesses throughout the project. The plan is intentionally phased to ensure the least disruption possible. There is no advanced warning when our homes and our businesses flood. There are no phases, and no one is offering us assistance when homes are uninhabitable and businesses closed for months on end with no income at all. The economic impact of the floodwater is catastrophic. A church, a preschool, a hospital, the jewish towers retirement home, a storage facility, dozens of businesses, hundreds of homes, all of those are impacted each time floodwaters come. South Tampa is on borrowed time. This is Florida. We all know the rain is coming. Seen the photos of what can happen in a simple Sunday storm, which has happened the last two sundays. The first time my property was rendered uninhabitable because of rain was 2015. It wasn't a hurricane. It was just a storm. It's 2026. My house has flooded again and nothing has changed. I ask the council, how many years have to pass? How many routes have to be evaluated and determined to be more expensive or less efficient or both? How many homes and businesses have to be destroyed before you will take action? The project will never be convenient. It will never please everyone. It will never be cheap, but it will always be necessary. So I ask you today to please vote to make our community safe and habitable for everyone in it.

10:06:55AM Thank you, maegan. Fayez, if you are in the room, if you would see staff to complete your card. I would appreciate that. Tina Adams. Good morning.

10:07:15AM Somebody left their phone up there? Maegan or Michelle? My name is tina Adams. My home flooded, too, due to inadequate, outdated, 75 to 100 year old infrastructure. No amount of maintenance can fix that. It needs to be reworked, just like when you live in a home that is 75 to 100 years old. You have to replumb it and rewire it. We need replumbing. We need rewiring. You heard me tell the story before, so I won't bore you with the details. I'd like to quote from one of my favorite poets, maya angelou. She says do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better. This is your time to do better. The city hasn't helped us. Hasn't helped the businesses, doctors' offices on swann and habana. Look at skin savvy. They couldn't recover. Most of us in our homes have recovered at least partially. We're still working on it. The flooding has been studied for over ten years. You have spent millions of dollars studying and designing the plan, the South Howard flood relief project. I trust these engineers. They are trying their best. They are coming up with the best solutions. The city, in all honesty, to my way of thinking, has worked with the South Howard businesses. They have tried to listen and look and evaluate the other plans. But, unfortunately, for them, the South Howard business and Swann Avenue route is the best route. All the engineers have said it. So now we know better. We've studied it and it's time to do better and improve the plan and start digging. Thank you.

10:09:35AM Thank you, tina. David Adams, followed by Greg Campbell and William. Tampa is a wonderful place to live. I've lived here for 35 years. As you know, the last 11 years have been difficult, and our neighborhood floods on a regular basis. As a matter of fact, it rained hard last night and our neighborhood flooded. Our neighborhood has flooded four times in the last 34 days. When I say flooded, I'm not talking about a couple of inches on the road. I'm talking about one to two feet of water. We should be safe in our homes, but we're not. This is what we're dealing with during non-hurricane situations. There's been a lot of misinformation about the project. I want to go over some undisputed facts. First of all, it's beyond dispute that the project will work. There are three signed and sealed engineering reports that come to the same conclusion. The last 3,700 page atkins report recommends a 10 by 10 box culvert to move millions of gallons of water by gravity. No one can say with a straight face that that won't solve the flooding in the neighborhoods. 10 by 10 box goes into Palma Ceia Pines at the AMI pond. No one can say that Palma Ceia Pines won't be benefited by that. Even in a hurricane, 70% of the affected structures or about 210 homes and businesses, would have been saved from flooding. The project results are very impressive. Second, funding. The city has secured funding. 10 million from the crosstown, 10 million from dep, and council has now spent 7.7 million on an engineering project. If the project is scuttled, $27 million is going to go to waste. Third, other funding. The city believes it can find another $20 million from FDEP. The project takes ten years and they can apply for $10 million in the next two years. That's what the city did on the lower 48 project, and it was awarded 20 million. This is not a pipe dream. Fourth, this high-capacity spine is going to benefit several other neighborhoods in addition to Parkland Estates and Palma Ceia Pines. This is a long-term project with long-term vision. Now, let's talk about the opposition. The project will be inconvenient. All road work projects are inconvenient. Kennedy Boulevard, however with rare exception, every single business has side streets that provide access to the South Howard businesses. This is important. The project will only remove the roads in 400 to 600 feet segments at a time. So access to the roads will be restored before the next segment is started. The city has championed a new project called soho open. That advertising campaign will encourage citizens to visit the businesses during the project. The businesses on Gandy Boulevard all said they would go out of business when the crosstown was elevated. Crosstown project is now complete and those businesses continue to thrive. The nightmare scenarios never came true. This project is no different. Look, the abnormal flooding needs a solution. This problem is not going away, and delay will only make it more expensive. The city has investigated this for 11 years. We have a viable solution, and now is the time to act.

10:12:45AM Thank you, sir.

10:12:46AM Greg Campbell followed by William kolega followed by julie magill. I'm Greg Campbell, Parkland Estates. First, let me apologize for the informal appearance. I have driven from Orlando this morning in order to be here and to speak. There is a family event over there that I thought I was leaving early enough to get home and put on a dress shirt and tie, but the traffic on i-4 had other ideas about that. So I had to come here. It is a nice heron, however. I'm here, of course, as you probably know, to speak for the South Howard flood relief project. I think fundamentally -- and ask you to continue your support. You brought it this far, you don't want to abandon it now. First of all, I'd like to say from the standpoint of the best interest of the large majority, this project needs to go forward. This is for the benefit of the many. Right now, we're using storm sewers that were built by others, previous generations, hundred years ago. What is being done now proposed with this spine from the bay up to Palma Ceia Pines is on the order of building a new underground river in the City of Tampa. It's essentially what you're doing. Far greater capacity than we've ever had before. It can be used and developed in all kinds of ways by successive generations. This is a fundamental investment. It will bring very quick relief, not just later, to Palma Ceia Pines as Mr. Adams just mentioned. The opposition is relatively small. We cannot find out -- I've asked several times -- who the members of the business alliance actually are. We have a good idea. Businesses on South Howard, principally some restaurants, but not only. But there are also other businesses on South Howard. At the intersection, chase bank, cvs, panera bread. There is a starbucks close by. These people have not been speaking here against the project. So the idea of business alliance does not include all the businesses on South Howard. And it most certainly does not include the doctors' offices who got flooded in hurricane milton along audubon and swann where the culverts will go by. Those are businesses, too, but they are pretty important businesses. The doctor's office. And finally, access to the emergency room.

10:15:57AM Thank you so much. Wishing we had a high speed train on i-4. William, followed by julie and followed by yvonne. Good morning, start with your name, please. My name is bill kolega. Wife, and kids live in Palma Ceia Pines. I'm back to ask you to vote yes on the South Howard relief project. Sorry. It's kind of hard to see. Zillow gives our townhome a flood factor of 1 out of 10. It showed this score when we purchased the home to start our family, and it still shows it today. We are 20 feet above sea level rise, FEMA zone x. This is the same house in October 2024. A foot of water through every room. Toys, books, irreplaceable keepsakes. Repairs took over eight months. Undersized drainage systems and decades of kicking the can down the road have landed us here today. Milton flooded 333 homes and businesses in our neighborhoods. Apartments, condos, townhomes, family by family. I've talked with hundreds of my neighbors in Palma Ceia Pines door by door over the past month. They want to build. Most were surprised it might not happen. They trust you will protect them. Now, can we afford it? 92 million max, the contractor eats -- within scope. On the F.D.O.T. Cost index would have cost 45 million in 2016. Waiting has already more than doubled it. Inaction cost 21 million per year. The real question should be, can we afford not to do it? Tuesday's alliance briefing said this plan saves seven structures. City's report, 96 ground floor homes and businesses flood and phase one would eliminate all structure flooding in that storm. Not seven. 96. 225 saved in a milton-like storm. Why do those of us living in townhomes, condos, and apartments not deserve to be counted? Whatever this administration has learned from you this year, the families and business owners and employees behind that 333 number haven't. And they are the people a no vote hurts the most. Administrations change. The flooding won't stop unless you act. Whatever happens today, we will be back until the flooding stops. We will not go away. This is the only fix on the table with a contractor, a price, and a completion date. I really want to tell my sons that when answers were on paper, Tampa leaders chose their safety. Waiting or delaying is not the neutral or fiscally responsible vote. It's simply a yes vote for the next flood. Please vote yes on the South Howard flood relief project. Thank you.

10:19:03AM Thank you, William. Julie, followed by yvonne followed by prevonka. Whatever it is. Julie magill. I'm also a candidate for mayor of Tampa. I've been very critical of the South Howard project. Today, I want to start by saying something positive. I was also at the South Howard meeting and this plan appears to address the flooding without all the destruction on South Howard and even though people here think that that South Howard project is going to help them in Palma Ceia Pines, you have been told it won't. Engineers have told you it won't. My heart goes out to them, but we need to have a better solution. I believe we have found it. Does it need tweaks? Of course, it does. But that's what engineering and public discussion are supposed to be about. Why does the current South Howard flood control project have to dramatically redesign South Howard? 10-foot sidewalks, planting, beautiful planting areas on the side. Changes to the parking. What happens to those existing businesses, though? What happens when that parking disappears? What happens after years of construction? As a contractor and a real estate broker, I know what happens when you make a commercial property increasingly difficult to operate. The properties change hands and then redevelopment becomes more attractive. I think council should ask a very uncomfortable but legitimate question. Are we designing South Howard to solve a flooding problem for the businesses that are there today or are we inadvertently designing South Howard for the development we expect maybe tomorrow? Because those are two very different objectives. Before Tampa spends a hundred million plus and likely much more on the change orders, tears apart a major business corridor, why wouldn't we look at an alternative that makes sense, costs less amount of time, maybe two years instead of five or six years, whatever that one is going to take and is less expensive? Why wouldn't we look at that? That's what responsible government looks like. That's what being a taxpayer watchdog means. One of my statements. Keep reading that. I firmly believe that might be an objective here. Thank you very much.

10:21:23AM Thank you, julie. Yvonne followed by prevonka and steven. Yvonne perali. I am the president of Parkland Estates civic club. I'm happy to be here today. Parkland Estates needs flood relief. They need a project like the one we have today. This is the project that will help Parkland Estates. I'm asking you to support the South Howard flood relief project. I'm asking you to support it today, and I'm asking you to support it on the 17th. I want to thank you all for all of the efforts and support that you have given to Parkland Estates even as far back as February of 2024. During that time, you've made your own work, you've done your own research, but you've never left us, and you've kept us in your hearts and in your minds. I would say because of the work you have done over the last two years, you have given the city pause, and you have given the city time to re-create this project. The project that we had before us in 2024 is not the same project that we have before us today. This project is better. This project can work. I would ask you to look at it in that light that we are here today with a viable project, and we need to move forward. We have kimmins construction on this project. It's not the same as norton. They are respectable. They are local, and they are accountable. And they have the expertise to work through this project. The complications of it, the expanse of it, yes, all-imposing, but kimmins can do it. So I'm asking you all for your support on behalf of the Parkland Estates civic club. Thank you.

10:23:32AM Thank you, yvonne. Brianka followed by Steve followed by christie simon. My name is brianka gerrish. I live in Parkland Estates. I'm here to beg you, I mean, genuinely beg you to move the South Howard flood relief project forward. We've been asking the City of Tampa to fix this problem since 2015. It is now 2026. That's 11 years of studies, photographs, videos, 11 years of flooded streets, flooded properties, public comments, meetings, proposed solutions, revised solutions and residents coming back to this podium time and time again, asking for something that should be one of the most basic functions of the city, which is storm drainage that works. Then hurricane milton came in in October of 2024 and we flooded. Our homes flooded. Our streets became rivers. Our neighborhood learned in the most devastating way possible what happens when inadequate stormwater system meets a major storm. This isn't just about hurricanes. It happened again last Saturday, not during a hurricane or storm, but a simple Tampa rainstorm. Our streets flooded to the point that we could not get safely out of our homes. If you think about it, if my child is hurt and it's raining, I can't access the roads to go to memorial hospital. If my neighbor has a heart attack, they can't get to the hospital. Ambulances cannot get to us. I've seen in the last probably five to six years at least five ambulances stalled out on swann. So that's a problem. I consider us lucky that nobody has actually died because of this lack of access. We're exhausted. We have flood fatigue. We have spent enormous amounts of our own money trying to protect our homes. We pay extraordinarily high property taxes and we pay a stormwater assessment. Yet, residents are being told year after year to somehow coexist with the flooding that individual homeowners cannot possibly engineer their own way out of. Here's what makes this very, very frustrating. You already have found a solution. We're not standing here asking you for a new plan. Not asking to you invite a plan. The city studied it, they evaluated alternatives. We spent millions of dollars just to get to this point and a solution was selected. Kimmins is ready. We're finally at the finish line. We have grant funding that's associated. After 11 years, South Howard is attempting to put another roadblock in the project. Please do not let that happen. We cannot go back to starting at the starting line. Of course, construction is inconvenient. Kennedy Boulevard has construction. Bayshore has construction. Even bern's beloved sister restaurant haven has construction. Roads and businesses all over Tampa endure construction because the infrastructure has to be built. You mitigate the construction. You maintain access, you support the businesses but you do not abandon critical public infrastructure because building is inconvenient. Businesses matter, but so do your residents. Our homes matter, safety matters. Our ability to get an ambulance matters. Our ability to get our children out of our neighborhood after it rains matters.

10:26:42AM Thank you very much. Steve followed by christie simon. Followed by martin. Steve gerrish. I'd like to start by saying to Councilwoman Hurtak we appreciate you being here. Our thoughts and prayers are with you as you are going through what you're going through. I'd also like to address Mr. Campbell's shirt. I think it's actually very appropriate because parkland and Palma Ceia Pines are rapidly turning into the everglades. Quite an appropriate shirt to wear here today. Just really quickly, I know the soho business alliance had a meeting the other night to discuss their alternative plan and all of the potential problems that have come up that they have discovered with the current South Howard relief project -- flood relief project. To them, I'd like to say actually thank you because you have identified problems now so they can be planned for. We all know in a project that is the magnitude that it's going to take to give flood relief to these neighborhoods, there's always going to be surprises. Always going to be unexpected issues. You have actually identified some of those now so that kimmins can plan ahead and mitigate these issues instead of having to do something on the fly. Thank you for that. As far as cost, 50 million was just given to a baseball stadium, which provides nothing for anyone. It's just entertainment. So not sure that that's an issue. As far as the businesses, losing revenue, haven is closed and will be closed for a year. Somehow that's not an issue. Daily eats closed for three months. See how that's not an issue. But having reduced revenue for six weeks seems to be the end of the world. That's all I have to say.

10:28:34AM Thank you, sir. Christie followed by martin followed by edward de la parte. Christie simon. I live on parkland boulevard. You heard all the reasons that this project needs to be done. You heard all the reasons why they don't want it done. There will never be a plan everyone agrees on. The system is simply too small and flooding gets worse every year. We could put storm vaults under every street and park other than Howard so that the soho businesses are not inconvenienced but that plan is too small and will not handle enough water. The houses that flood are not in a flood zone and at elevation 18 feet and higher. The flooding is entirely man-made. Over ten years ago, there was a storm that flooded parkland. My husband went to check on an elderly woman. He walked through water that was waist deep and was unable to bring her back. She was too small and could not walk back herself. No ambulance could get to her and she was afraid. Swann, audubon and fountain flooded 11 times in 2024, which prevented traffic and emergency vehicles from getting through. So far this year, you heard dave Adams say it already flooded four times and we haven't had a storm. Just daily summer rains. In all these cases, flooded vehicles had to be towed. Eventually if nothing changes, someone will drown or die. This cannot wait any longer. This needs to happen now. The residents are out of time. Please allow this project to continue. The city's job is to protect its residents through police, fire, and stormwater. Our house does not flood but our neighbor's job is to be a neighbor and should be to take care of the neighbors that are around us. Thank you.

10:30:33AM Thank you very much. Martin followed by edward followed by Stephen Michelini. Dr. Huff, I saw you fill out a card. We'll be doing board appointments after public comments. Martin, start with your name, please. I live on watrous avenue. Professional engineer, geotechnical engineer. Ben practicing in the Tampa Bay area for 40 years. In order to approve this project, you've got to trust the engineering. So I want to talk about the engineering features. This project includes 5,000 linear feet of street, excavation 15 to 19 feet deep and is going to open up Howard Avenue for four years. We lose Howard Avenue for four years. I've been told that Howard Avenue needs to suck it up and every other neighborhood has dealt with this. That's not true. Typically, stormwater project, you might have ten foot deep excavations. This project is going to have an excavation as wide as this room and probably seven to eight feet higher than the ceiling right here. You don't do that with a trench box. Trench box is a conventional method for shoring up smaller excavations. Totally inadequate. Trench box about this wide, perhaps 10 to 20 feet long and maybe this high. It's not going to do the job. That is absolutely not going to happen, won't do the job whatsoever. We looked at the geology of this. It's hard to see here. This is the box culvert bottom right there. Right at the bottom of the box culvert, you have very hard rock. This is from soil borings done. You cannot drive any piles into that hard rock. What you'll need to shore up the excavation is not a trench box. Typically what you do is you do sheet piling and embed the sheet piling like one and a half to two times deeper than the excavation. Here is the sheet piling. You drive it down. It's embedded. When the pressure pushes on it, it's strong enough to resist. In this case, you drive the sheet piling, hits the rock, can't go any deeper. 12,000 pounds per linear foot hits this, it fails. Sheet piling is not going to work. The other alternative is, you might want to do internal bracing. Can't do it. You have to get a 10-foot culvert in there and it's not going to fit. Another way, tiebacks. You won't get permission from the property owners because they do not like this project. The other way that will certainly work would be a combination wall. Drilled shafts about every ten feet. Sheet piles between them. The cost of that is going to be about a hundred million dollars. And that hundred million dollars is not included in the current budget of 92.5 million. That was excluded. They talked about the 60% plans. There's no shoring in the 60% plans. I looked at the line items that get you up to 92.5 million. There's no shoring in that. This guaranteed price that you're going to be given doesn't include probably doubling the cost. Now, I would welcome any of the engineering staff to challenge me. Have at it. I'd love to have more time. But I get it.

10:33:52AM Edward, followed by Steve Michelini, followed by suzanne Fernandez. My name is edward de la parte. I'm counsel representing the soho business alliance. If I had more time, I would go into all of the defects regarding this project. I've sent letters to all of you identifying what we think are 13 fatal flaws. I'll talk to you about a different issue. Let's assume for take of argument that this is a good project, that it's well designed and it's needed, and it's going to do the job. To quote a wise person, there are a lot of good projects, but sometimes even good projects become unaffordable. I contend that this is the case with this project. If it is a good project, it's become unaffordable. The total price, guaranteed maximum price is $100.4 million. One of the things they are going to ask you to do today is to approve authorization to go out for a $26 million long-term bond. I went and priced what is the going rate for 30 years of municipal tax-free Bonds, and if they were to go that route, that would add another $23 million to this project cost. This project is going to take up 23% of your total stormwater assessment funds. I'm talking from 2016 to 2046. It's going to take up 23% of your unencumbered future stormwater assessment funds. And you just heard from the engineer, we believe that there are a number of items that are not covered by that guaranteed maximum price. I had our engineer look at those excluded items, and it could be as much as an additional $100 million to complete the project. Now, they are going to tell you, well, those change orders will have to come back to you for approval. If you are already 50 or $60 million into this project and someone comes back and says we need a $20 million change order to deal with contamination that we didn't plan for and we didn't do our due diligence on, what are you going to do at that point? Are you going to approve the change order or walk away from a half developed $50 million project? So the last thing is this contract with THEA. If you read that contract, THEA has given you one year to get your ducks in a ROW, to get permits. If you don't have your permits and don't have your funding or litigation pending, THEA can at its discretion, sole discretion can decide to withhold funding. In fact, today, because we have a lawsuit against you for public records, THEA does not have the obligation to fund its $11 million. So, again, let me end by saying though I don't agree this is a good project that is well designed, we think it has a lot of flaws, but even assuming it is a good project, it's become unaffordable. Thank you.

10:36:55AM Thank you, Sir. Steven followed by suzanne followed by Dana jasper. Let's start with a focus of the area. This project does not focus on Palma Ceia Pines. Some of the neighbors think it does. It doesn't. It's specifically excluded. The engineers have told us that under deposition. The contractor has told us that under deposition and will take $60 million to include Palma Ceia Pines. A stub-out to a functioning -- a nonfunctioning vault at the memorial hospital AMI does not make it a solution for Palma Ceia Pines. Don't shift the funds. You're being asked to shift $11 million in funds from other projects around the city. That's inappropriate. If this project doesn't stand on its own, it shouldn't stand at all. You are asked to approve agreements. In the agreements, it specifically says you have all of these things in line, that the permits are there, it's going to include water quality treatment. It doesn't. But one of the resolutions says all of those things are taken care of and they are in there. Maintenance starts first. If you want immediate impact, don't ignore the maintenance that's been ignored for 10 to 15 years. Fix the AMI pond. Fix the zom pond. Fix the inlets around Palma Ceia Pines and Parkland Estates. The water bypassed those ponds and went straight into Parkland Estates. Why? Because the grades aren't right. The trash and debris block the inlets. There are a number of reasons. Why would you do that? In the budget, you're taking a million dollars out of maintenance for this year's proposed budget. That makes no sense at all. We have sworn testimony that backs up everything that I've told you here. We sent you e-mails. This is not conjecture. This is not making it more comfortable for the South Howard businesses. These are facts. The timeline, do you want an immediate repair, an immediate solution? Don't go with the city plan. It makes no sense. Why would you wait four to five years before it goes to parkland and Palma Ceia Pines. It doesn't even go there. If you want the immediate effect, take on the maintenance as it was requested. The culverts, the justification, this was the big misrepresentation from the very beginning. We met with the city. They said, well, the reason we're going down Howard is because we have an existing culvert at the railroad tracks and existing culvert going into the bay. Neither one of them functioned. This plan means that they have to go. You've got a proposal to close the railroad tracks for four to six weeks because they don't work. It's a big misrepresentation. If you really want to do this, don't go down this direction. Hundred million dollars, it was $50 million when they started. It was only closing one lane on Howard. Now it's taken the entire street and they added streetscape that none of us want. Thank you.

10:40:06AM Suzanne Fernandez followed by Dana jasper, followed by harry Coleman. It has been two years. You had a lot of information thrown at you. A lot of misinformation thrown at you, information thrown at you at the last minute like this one.

10:40:27AM Can you state your name, please?

10:40:31AM Suzanne, say your name for the record.

10:40:37AM Thank you. As many times I've been here, I'm sorry. Assumed you knew who I was. Hopefully this is the last time. I'm here to ask you to support the guaranteed maximum price that you're going to vote on today. There's always going to be another project. We all know there is more than one way to skin a cat. At the last minute, we have another proposal that looks viable for the South Howard business alliance. We all have vetted the city studied over 20 different proposals. This one has the pricing, the engineering. They are ready to go. As a business owner, I have suffered over the past 11 years. I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on fixing the same interior issues on my business time and time again because of flooding. I'm right there at the AMI pond, at the hospital. The interesting thing is, I don't think any of that has been properly represented because right now that is going to the cleveland basin. With what you plan on this project, it will take that water and divert it down to the South Howard flood project. So we're going to relieve pressure there. This project is expandable. Problems in New Suburb Beautiful with flooding. There are problems with flooding north of azeele. First, we need to have a place for this water to go. The project that the city is proposing gives a place for the water to go. It's more than just the neighborhoods in this, guys. It is the hospital. It's the fire. It's the church that gets flooded. It's the day-care. It's the jewish towers assisted living facility at the end of my street. The time has come. As far as diverting the money from other neighborhoods, you don't hear us here every year saying, don't give them the stormwater money. If you do that, then we won't get funded. We've sat back for over 20 years you all have been addressing this. We never once said don't spend that money. That is not fair, because you all have collected impact fees. You've allowed developers to come in and put cement all the way across the lots and not upgrading the storm drains. I encourage to you please vote yes. We have a plan in place to hopefully give us some relief. Thank you.

10:42:56AM Thank you, suzanne. Dana followed by harry, followed by rumela. Good morning. Start with your name, please.

10:43:10AM We can, yes. Start with your name and it will come up. Dana jasper here to speak on agenda item 36. Specifically, I'm here to talk about the box culvert that's on Howard underneath the railroad. The railroad here. The reason why I wanted to identify that is because in the city's plans, they had actually stated this was a key benefit for selecting the Howard Avenue route. To quote, the existing five by ten box culvert along South Howard Avenue beneath CSX railroad and selmon expressway is already in place and can be used. The existing culvert will be supplemented by a parallel 60-inch pipe to be installed via microtunnel for additional hydraulic capacity. However, if you look at today's GMP document for agenda item 36 on page 78, in quotes, kimmins is proposing to CSX that we eliminate the microtunnel and associated work and close the existing crossing for four to six weeks. If approved, kimmins will install new 10 by 10 box culvert and restore the track crossing. Atkins will design the crossing under a separate agreement. Separate agreement, that sounds a lot like additional cost. How much more will that cost the city? This also raises questions about the city's position regarding CSX's right-of-way policy. On September 1, the city posted an alert on its South Howard stormwater project website expressing concerns about the soho business alliance's alternate route. One concern stated, quote, creates significant railroad construction challenges. CSX has a strict right-of-way policy that prevents construction within its right-of-way or near the railroad. How is the city'proposal down S Howard Avenue any different as it pertains to working in the CSX right-of-way? Kimmins now proposes to eliminate the existing 5 by 10 culvert beneath the railroad and replace with 10 by 10 culvert, assuming CSX agrees to shut down the crossing for four to six weeks to allow work within the right-of-way. If CSX has such a strict right-of-way policy that the city states creates significant construction challenges for the soho alliance alternate route, why wouldn't those same concerns apply to the city's plan to remove and replace the existing culvert within the CSX right-of-way on Howard? If the city intends to remove the existing culvert, when will the city have written assurance from CSX that it even has permission to do so? These are important questions because using the existing box culvert was presented by the city as an advantage for choosing the Howard Avenue route. If the city now plans to eliminate and replace that culvert, council and taxpayers deserve to know why the plan changed, what CSX has or has not approved for working in their right-of-way, and what additional costs would be incurred. Thank you.

10:46:14AM Thank you. Harry, followed by rumela das. Harry Coleman. I live in Parkland Estates. I'm speaking today on behalf of support of items 36 through 39, South Howard flood relief project. Those of us who live there, flooding is not theoretical. We've watched our homes flood. Watched streets become impassable. Experience mornings when residents can't get out of their own neighborhood. The city's infrastructure has to work not just on an ordinary Sunday but on a Tuesday afternoon when someone needs an ambulance, needs to get to work or simply get home. I want to acknowledge something very important. The council is right to ask a lot of difficult questions about the project. You asked about the process, about transparency, alternative routes, business disruption, opportunity costs, and those questions mattered. And they produced results. There have been additional public meetings and opportunities for input. The route was modified. Palma Ceia Pines was incorporated and considerable attention has been given to maintaining access to South Howard businesses during construction. The oversight worked. The project before you today is better because of the questions that you all asked. But oversight cannot become an endless demand for one more answer. Analysis of neighborhood flooding suggests the project could conservatively prevent millions of dollars of residential property damage, and that does not include swann business losses, business interruption, emergency access problems or broader economic effects of repeated flooding. The last one, that cost is a lot harder to see. The property owner who never takes water can still lose because the resilience risk of the neighborhood and the city that surrounds that home. That is the hidden externality of failing infrastructure. But resilience works in the opposite direction. Protecting property helps preserve and grow Tampa's tax base, creating capacity to invest in the next resilience project. Parkland Estates itself demonstrated why this process mattered. Our civic association once voted unanimously against this project. After years of questions, engineering, discussions, and changes it ultimately voted unanimously to support it. We changed our minds because the evidence changed. Reasonable skepticism improved this project, but at some point deliberation has to produce a decision. Tampa says it wants to become a more resilient city. Resilience cannot begin everywhere at once. It has to start somewhere. Neighbors repeatedly flooded, homes damaged and streets unusable, this is a very good place to start. Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

10:48:42AM Thank you. Rumela, Valerie, Dana. My name is rumela das, a resident of Parkland Estates. I'm here to say thank you to those of you who have supported us thus far. I really appreciate it and I hope you guys will take us to the finish line and get this project started because we desperately need it for our safety. Thank you.

10:49:12AM Thank you very much. Valerie bullock, followed by Dana koberly and Tarah Bluma. I'm in opposition of this project. I just don't think all the money from stormwater should go over there to them. When I went to the meeting at the church, I was talking to a guy and he live right over there. And he had said the same thing I said. He said it's okay to fix that, if the other parts of the city would not have to suffer. We forgot about Forest Hills. We forgot about 15th street. It's just like we are going to demand all this money is going to be accounted to us. No. we got projects we need to work on. I was talking to somebody. They say 1.5 million off of broadway and 7th avenue is going to the Howard Street project. So they going to continue taking up all of the money out of stormwater and other areas suffer just for them. I think it's very selfish. I agreed with the engineer when he was talking. We should do maintenance. Every time I'm here, we're talking about the shortage of people that we have in stormwater and I always suggest the neighborhood enhancement program. How those guys for stormwater? Let's start with the maintenance, because I believe if we could dig up the ditches and all of that, the water would be able to flow. I understand they say the infrastructure is 75 and 100 years old. Guess what, in my neighborhood it's the same age, too. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:59AM Thank you, Valerie. Dana followed by Tarah, followed by edward kelly. Dana. Coberly. Going once. She had to leave. Very good. Tarah followed by edward kelly. Good morning. Start with your name, please. I'm Tarah Bluma. The true cost benefit analysis of this project is not going to show that this is the highest and best use of our money. It barely justified the cost when the project was only $50 million and now it has doubled and we know that the guaranteed maximum price is not really a guarantee. Have any of you asked why, like picked up the phone and asked why the AMI pond has not been fixed? Ms. Cannella is here every week talking about this pond and still after ten years, the pump does not work. It's full of garbage and waste and crud. Is it possible that fixing that pond is going to help alleviate some flooding? I guess that it would help. Why hasn't that been done? I've been hearing about it every week for two years. Surgeons don't just amputate your leg when you go in with a broken toe. They try the less invasive options first. We know we have a list of basic repairs a mile long that haven't been done. Let's do those and then evaluate where we are at. I learned something when I went to the open houses a few weeks ago that I did not know. A hundred million dollars for spending and they are not undergrounding the power lines, which is so egregious to me. So what, a couple of years later, rip up the street again to underground the power lines. If we're already doing this massive project and TECO is already spending millions of dollars a year undergrounding power lines, why would they not do that at the same time? I heard that's what they originally wanted to do, but then TECO would charge each business owner substantial amount of money in order to do that which doesn't make sense to me because TECO is already doing it all over town. Finally, I did get to look at the landscaping plans for the new South Howard redesign. It contains -- you won't be surprised -- a lot of crape myrtles. I really urge you to reconsider this project. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. Thank you.

10:54:08AM Thank you, Tarah. Edward kelly followed by Fran Tate. Fran Tate is our last agenda item speaker. 33-year resident of Parkland Estates. Formerly I owned a business at the owner of watrous and dale mabry that faced a very similar type of flooding problem that we have currently in our neighborhood. I implore you guys to trust the system. The city has qualified engineers, hydrologists, and people that have researched this whole project, this whole problem for years. And this is the solution they came up with. Going down Howard Avenue, it is a straight line. Everybody knows the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. That is the quickest way to get the water out of this area and to solve a problem that is causing backups on traffic, not allowing ambulances, fire engineers. Business people are suffering. The hospital, you can't access the hospital. You can't access the medical arts buildings that are surrounding the hospital as well as the small businesses there. This isn't just about the South Howard business people. This is about people in the entire neighborhood that need to have some type of relief from the flooding problem. This has been a studied issue that the city has come up with, a plan, and there's been other proposals, including the proposal brought forth by these folks. They have a concept of a plan. This has been a flooding problem for years. Why just now are they coming up with that? As far as guaranteed as far as money goes, there's no guarantee on any kind of thing like that. You'll come up with problems in a project like this on this scope and this scale. What guarantees do we have any kind of money being spent? What is guaranteed if we don't do anything about this, these businesses, the medical arts buildings, the hospital, the inaccessibility of Swann Avenue, those will continue to persist and to just continue to kick the can down the road and allow a delay on this project just doesn't seem like it makes any sense at all to me anymore. Is it perfect for the South Howard business people? Let me tell you, I had a business for 41 years. Kimmins came in on a project in coordination with the city and kimmins came up with a project to solve that south dale mabry flooding, and it works. Very similar type of 10-foot box culvert in front of my business. They did exactly what they said they were going to do. For 60 days, they tore up the road in front of my business. I came to work on the 61st day, it was paved, striped, sidewalks, grass, everything. The area in front of your businesses, in front of bern's, in front of bella's, in front of the businesses affected, it will only be for a short period of time. Already people use the back roads to get there because they can't get there when it rains. Increased traffic is not going to be an issue here. Thanks.

10:57:20AM Thank you, Sir. Fran Tate. Start with your name, please. I am Fran Tate. Neighborhood association founder and president of Jackson Heights. 21-year servant in East Tampa. Good morning, chair, and council members. I know we're not supposed to call your names or anything, but I'm going to say I'm wearing this fuchsia jacket, the fuchsia lipstick, and the breast cancer awareness pin in honor of Jackson Heights neighborhood association, we got you. Anything you need. I'm here to say, street and 56th Broadway Avenue had a flooding relief project scheduled, and it was canceled for some unknown reason. $1.5 million. I finally got a meeting with my councilwoman. I was finally able to come in with my secretary and have a meeting with her. In that meeting was Mr. Campbell and Ms. Lee. They are trying to take 1 million of our $1.5 million and repurpose it down there in South Howard. Why? We are one of the most underserved areas of Tampa, Florida. Broadway, it floods down there constantly. I know. I drive that area trying to get to falkenburg. I'm here to appeal to you to say please put the project back on the to-do list. Don't take our money, and make the project happen. I was down there at 7:30 this morning meeting with the county. Someone sent them a message that I'm complaining about some stormwater pipes on broadway. The county has nothing to do with what we're talking about with this project. This is a city project. I included the site plan for you. Sorry to tape it together, but I was rushing and rushing this morning. Okay. This is the site plan. Mr. Campbell provided for me at our meeting. Remember, Councilwoman? This is the site plan. This is what the city is Planning to do on broadway. I don't even know if they spoke to the owner. I don't believe they spoke to the owner to get an easement. I don't even believe that story. But that project needs to happen. The money does not need to be taken from us. I am going to activate the community if you take our money. This project needs to happen. Thank you.

11:00:13AM Thank you very much. The next speakers have indicated they want to speak to non-agenda items. Reminder in accordance with rules adopted August 27, 2026, public comment is restricted to information and items that just the city can control. Things that are just city business and things the city control. If it's not about the city business or things the city controls, we're not doing that now. First speaker is fayez alameer followed by Tyler rorrer. R-o-r-r-e-r. Followed by clarence townes. Good morning. Start with your name, please. Fayez alameer. Civil engineer or recovering civil engineer. I'm actually here to support some of my friends, beyond professional and active community of Tampa. I don't know if you all know, but Tampa has been one of the most active cities in fitness and health. And we have been struggling to find a safe place to practice to do our running and workouts. Coach Tyler here would also speak more on the topic. We would like to propose that the city consider building a track, a public track. We end up using mainly public school tracks that days we are allowed, some days we're not. We would like to kind of fix that. I see there are a lot of RFPs out there that are sent to developers to build either mixed use or multifamily projects to develop. Don't get me wrong. I really thank you for caring. Some of you all I saw less than 24 hours ago. At vicente project. I know it's not a magic thing. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow morning and find a track built, but I want to bring this to your all's attention. Just so you know, there's so much demand right now for facilities like this. I understand it's more of a project that got to be put together and presented and right now, this is just a moment for you to know that there's something coming. Hopefully we can all work together and ask you for your help in this. Thank you so much.

11:02:57AM Thank you, Sir. Tyler, start with your name, please. You have three minutes. Followed by clarence and followed by gloria sims. Tyler rorrer. Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. I'm here representing a local running community in the Tampa Bay area. Our running community has grown tremendously. Run clubs have become places where people get healthy, make friends, and build community. Our club regularly brings together 150 to 250 people for a single run. Running is one of the most accessible forms of exercises. You need a pair of shoes and a safe place to run. That's where Tampa has a gap. Tampa does not currently have a dedicated municipal running track that residents can simply access as a public recreational amenity. We have parks trails, pools, and basketball courts. But if I wanted a structured running workout on safe, flat, measured surface, there isn't a public track that I can simply use. We're not asking for a track to host track meets. I want to make sure that's clear. But track is recreational infrastructure. It gives beginners a place to walk, jog, kids a place to run, seniors a place to exercise, and athletes a place to train. For large run clubs, it's also a safer alternative than putting 158 to 200 people in the roadway. Raleigh, North Carolina, operates a quarter mile track as part of the municipal athletic park system. Nashville has incorporated a public track into the athletic complex. We're not asking Tampa to invent something. We're asking Tampa to look at models that other cities are already using. We see two opportunities here. First, Hillsborough County Public Schools already has tracks throughout our community. I researched the current rental cost for Jefferson high school track. Four-hour minimum rental is $983.40. For a community running club that may only need the track for an hour, that isn't sustainable. We'd like to see the city work with hcps to create a pilot program allowing public access to select school tracks during nonschool hours. Second, we'd like the city to explore whether a city-owned public track could be incorporated into an existing or future park, particularly on property the city already owns. Today, I'm asking council to identify potential city-owned sites, begin conversations with hcps about a public access pilot, and bring together the city. Hcps and Tampa's running community to develop a sustainable model for public track access. Our running community is ready to help. We can demonstrate demand, gather community support and participate in a pilot program, because this isn't really about runners asking for a track. It's about Tampa investing in another place where people can be healthy, active and connected. Tampa has built an incredible running community. We're just asking the city to build a place for it to run. Thank you guys.

11:05:56AM Thank you, Tyler. City clerk, Shirley Foxx-Knowles, probably at least another 15 minutes. You might want to make yourself comfortable. Clarence townes followed by gloria sims followed by David cornell. My title today is corruption at its highest level. I'm still talking about an alley at 2704 north 32nd street. A city and county that is the enemy of senior citizens and u.s. military veterans. That's wrong. Our enemies are your enemies. Lesbians and gays, famu students, famu alum, aka, members of alpha kappa alpha, sorority of presidential hopeful kamala Harris. City commissioner gwen myers and Mayor Jane Castor are her friends, and possibly bed buddies. Code Enforcement, you need to check out at 1905 and 1907 West Arch Street. Now it's a parking lot. It was family homes and the church bought it and made it a parking lot without the right zoning, so when the residents around that area complain, the City of Tampa, the church went to the City of Tampa and they send code out there to threaten people that if you don't shut up, we'll code you out of your house. Code Enforcement is being paid off to look the other way. 2702 north 33rd street and 2707 north 33rd street. These homeowners brag about it. When is it okay to steal city property? Tell me that? This property this alley disappeared and this person named bob Martinez as he was the mayor. I guarantee you, he didn't approve it. Ask Hillsborough county Commissioner Gwendolyn a. Myers about her activities in Plant City with another county employee. See, things are nasty. You want to get nasty and threaten us, you better be clean, brother. You better be real clean. Those names I gave my associates, you want to know who was giving us trouble, who threatened us there. Lesbians and gay throughout america. [ sounding gavel ]

11:08:33AM Sir, you are out of order. Gloria followed by David coronel. I am here again today to follow up on my concern about keeping our neighborhood RS 50, a single-family residential area, which has been zoned RS 50 single-family residential area legally and properly by the City Council for over 30 years. However, RM 16 multifamily residential property was, not now, but was being imposed on -- was being imposed on in our neighborhood. But because we came to the City Council and spoke out, this rezoning matter appears to have been resolved. Now, today, we are back to address the matter of the stolen alley at 2704 north 32nd street owned by Hillsborough county Commissioner Gwendolyn a. Myers. Thank you, council. We're hoping you do your job again. Thank you.

11:09:54AM David followed by Robin Lockett, followed by ashley morrow. Robin is waiving. Okay. My name is David cornell. I'm president of the Highland Pines committee incorporated. We are the voice of the unhoused. So a brief definition on what it means to be unhoused. Well, a derogatory term is to be homeless, but they need a voice. In Highland Pines in particular, about 70% of our population is black and African American and about 30% is white and Hispanic. But a list of our accomplishments. We have recently achieved a 501(c)(3) status. Next, we anticipate our office in Highland Pines and Highland Pines community center. A storage facility in public storage, which is nearby Highland Pines for the unhoused to secure their belongings or to lock up important documents. We are passing out water and picking up trash in our community. On that note, our other advisory president, raymond Johnson, who you've had the pleasure of meeting before, was largely responsible for organizing and picking up a lot of trash throughout our community. We're responsible for a bus shelter throughout Highland Pines whereas none existed before. In fact, two bus shelters. We provide housing and housing information. Not housing, but housing information. And we facilitate that through the Florida sentinel bulletin. There is an ad. It's all been women, that's fine. Men need help, too. This is a list of our accomplishments. I thank you all for your valuable time and you have a good day.

11:12:00AM Thank you, David. Ashley, followed by surgret doss. Hello. My name is -- right ashley?

11:12:14AM The ashley. My name is ashley morrow. I'll be sharing Tampa's black history. I just learned that a new monument was erected or unveiled on Saturday about the buffalo soldiers. That's what we were talking about a couple of weeks ago. I thought that was very relevant to city business, right? Okay. We're going to zoom in on it. We talked about it last time. These soldiers came to Tampa along with thousands of other soldiers and deployed from here to Cuba during the spanish american war in 1898. Tampa was designated as the space to hold the supplies and send over to Cuba where the war was taking place by boat. Volunteers were called here. They stayed in Tampa Heights on that piece of land across the street from the church that is made of stones on central. And then there was a lot of racial hostility. There was an incident where a black baby was held upside down by a white soldier allegedly from Ohio. Ohio volunteer. That infuriated buffalo soldiers and they had a shoot-out in ybor along 7th avenue and in the garrison area. Other reports from other spaces like atlanta talking about they need to get more black reporters there so they can figure out what is going on in the area. Then the war ends 1898 in August. The treaty of paris is signed not until December of 1898. Cuba becomes independent and that's important because a lot of afro cubans here in Tampa. There is outrage, buffalo soldiers stormed the city and county jail. Trying to free their comrade. End up going to city jail. They are like he's not here. Go to county jail. Bust in there and get him out. Sparksman wharf is named after. They held a meeting because they can't get away with this. Eventually, nothing happens. They leave on the train and the story ends there. This weekend, we did the traveling black history exhibit at the big fest held by camille adrienne. It was a success. We talked about the black history of Sulphur Springs. If you guys want to donate towards any other traveling exhibits, my cash app is bthfund. That's my website right there. We are official 501(c)(3) nonprofit. My goal in the future is to do trips with the youth. We would take trips to jacksonville. There is the kingsley plantation there. The eji museum in Alabama and montgomery where we have a lynching marker there for Hillsborough county lynch victims and other spaces. Thank you all so much.

11:15:12AM You neglected to mention one other thing about black history, somewhere in the future they are going to be talking about the famous black woman that chaired the Charter Review Commission for the City of Tampa, ashley morrow.

Naya Young

11:15:26AM My appointee, by the way. Did a fantastic job. Appreciate the appointment and all the work that you guys are doing.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:35AM Thank you. Surgret, you are going to close out the in-person public speaking. Bring it home. I had to take some notes. I was going to say, pretty obvious I'm army discharge service connected veteran. I wanted to say that Tampa, like the rest of the State of Florida has a serious public records problem. When the government controls the records but the citizens have to fight to get the complete story, there's something wrong with the process. Public records requests should not turn into an investigation for the people who are looking for those records. The records should be complete, accurate, and should be timely. The agency should not selectively produce or manipulate those records. They should be as they are. That matters more when those records involve police, prosecutors, criminal allegations and court proceedings, even child support proceedings. I know exactly how serious that can become because in 2017, indigent application in Hillsborough county court system allowed a Tampa Police officer to use this city's authority to falsely accuse me of perjuring an official proceeding, and that case has now made Tampa a defendant in my supreme court case that's set to be heard on September 28 by the nine justices. When I'm talking about records, I'm not talking about simple paperwork sitting in a filing cabinet. Tampa's problems aren't isolated. In March of 2024, a certified court transcript told me that this guy, Mr. Arenas was dead. But on September 2, I got this e-mail from the dead guy again. It typically messes with me in my mental. This is two years after child support hearing officer told me the guy is dead, I'm still getting e-mails from this guy. I don't know who sent it --

11:17:30AM Surgret, you have to pivot back to city business. How a state agency treats its residents. I'm a resident of the City of Tampa, so you all can demand an inquiry as to how surgret doss continues to get an e-mail from a dead guy. Are you messing with him because surgret doss is uniquely experienced pro SE litigant? Doing it because surgret doss has City of Tampa involved in a case that made it all the way to the supreme court? But whatever the reason is, I think I'm asking the city -- demanding, I know you'll say screw you -- to look into it. Somebody told me it takes a lot of balls to come up and talk to these people the way you do. I say, well, you have to lack them to not say something when you know injustice is going on. I can't sit by and pretend I don't see anything. I understand what caused the Civil Rights Movement to gain the momentum. I can't say nothing because I attended the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, the university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

11:18:41AM Thank you. Thank you for bringing it home. We had three speakers registered online. I believe only one is on. Michael randolph. My name is Michael randolph. I'm a former resident of the Robles park village. I want to start with where this neighborhood has been because I've lived. Robles park, one of the oldest developments in Tampa. No air conditioning. Some felt like it was over a hundred degrees inside the units. But the heat wasn't the hardest part. Robles park was one of the most -- communities not just in the city but the nation. I witnessed two people killed on two separate occasions. Over the years that I lived there, I saw young people and old people killed. One night, a -- my bedroom window. This is not a joke. This is a history. This is a memory. I share that because I want the City Council to understand exactly what we are building from. The new Robles park is one principle -- people over building. At the center is a SMART community hub. 30,000-square-foot facility funded by roughly -- federal grant million. 2 million in matching funds by the Tampa housing. Offer health services. Access to financial literacy, educational support, and job placement assistance, serving not just the 18 to 19 hundred households, but more than 20,000 residents in the surrounding area. This model on the Housing Authority success is built on the downtown project where I live, where similar hubs connect residents to pharmacy services. And the possible a.i. -- this hub has the chance to be truly one of its kind. A model that no other city in the nation, like the Rome yard project. I stand here this morning believing Robles park can be defined not by what it survived but by what is possible. In ending, I know there's been a lot of conversation about what is city business. To help people understand what it is -- [indiscernible] thank you very much.

11:21:44AM Thank you, Mr. Randolph. Thank you for closing us out on public comment. That concludes public comment for the day. We are moving on to board and administration appointments. Madam clerk, are you going to introduce six or just want us to move the resolution? I have motion to move the resolution by Maniscalco appointing Yasmeen Neuman. Yasmeen, are you in the audience? Second from Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Madam clerk, you're recognized.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

11:22:26AM Good morning. Shirley Foxx Knowles, city clerk. I'm here to present the applicant for the Civil Service Board and some of them are in person. And a couple of them are remote. The first person is edward leonardo.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:55AM Good morning, edward. Would you like to speak to council? Come to the podium and start with your name, please. You'll have three minutes. My name is edward leonardo. Thank you for considering me for the Civil Service Board. Through my professional life and involvement in the community, I've learned an important lesson, one reinforced especially through owning businesses and coaching youth sports. A fair decision is not always a decision that makes everyone happy, but people deserve to know that they were heard. The rules were followed and decision was made honestly. For more than ten years, I have owned and operated businesses and I manage employees. I've hired and trained people, established expectations, addressed performance concerns, resolve disagreements and made difficult decisions that affected both the families and the employee. That experience has taught me that fairness and accountability are not opposites. Good leadership requires both. It means listening before reaching a conclusion, understanding the facts, applying standards constantly and treating people with dignity throughout the process. That business experience would be the foundation of my service on the Civil Service Board. My involvement in the community adds another important dimension to the perspective I would bring. My connection to Tampa extends beyond my businesses. I am raising my family here, working directly with residents, businesses, property owners, and organizations throughout the community and coaching youth sports. But coaching hasn't taught me -- coaching has taught me to remain calm, listen respectfully, apply the same rules to everyone, and make decisions based on what is right for the entire team, not what is most popular at a particular moment. Also allowed me to build relationships with Tampa children and families from different backgrounds and better understand the people who make up our community. I believe effective boards benefit from more than one type of experience. Technical and professional expertise is extremely valuable, but so are practical judgment, real-world leadership and direct connection to the community. Those strengths do not compete with one another. The strongest boards draw upon all of them. I would bring the perspective of a business owner who understands the responsibility of managing people, a community member who understands the human impact of employment decisions and a father who has personally invested in Tampa's future. If appointed, approach matters as advocate. Approach each appeal independently, listen carefully to both sides, review the evidence and applicable rules to make a far and impartial decision. It would be an honor to bring my business experience, practical judgment, community perspective to the Civil Service Board. Thank you for your time and consideration.

11:25:37AM Thank you very much.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

11:25:43AM Thank you. The next applicant is laren huff.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:48AM Good morning, Dr. Huff. I am Dr. Laren huff, City of Tampa resident in district 6. Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you today regarding my application to serve on the Civil Service Board. I provided a document that shows my relevant experience. I'm not asking you to appoint me simply because I have extensive background in human resources. I'm asking to you consider how that experience has prepared me for the actual work of this board. The Civil Service Board is responsible for hearing and reviewing employee appeals and making decisions based on facts, evidence, policies, and applicable civil service rules. This is where my experience becomes relevant. Throughout my career, I have worked extensively in employee relations, workplace investigations, policy interpretation, disciplinary matters, conflict resolution and regulatory compliance. I have investigated employee concerns, advised both employees and management, and participated in EEOC in unemployment hearings. I also worked within state government. The experience taught me that personnel decisions don't happen in isolation. They operate within policies, procedures, regulation, and public accountability. I also hold a PhD. In public policy and administration, which gives me an additional perspective on governance, policy, and accountability. But I believe the most important thing I would bring to the board is impartiality. I would not come to the board automatically advocating for an employee and I would not come automatically advocating for management. I would come as an impartial decision maker. When an employee comes before the board, I understand there is a person behind the case. I also understand that the board's responsibility is to examine the facts, review evidence, understand the applicable rules, procedures, and make fair and consistent decisions. My career has taught me to ask what are the facts. What does the policy say? What evidence supports the decision? And what was the process applied -- and was the process applied fairly? This is the mindset I would bring to the board. So I am not asking to you select me because I am an HR professional. I'm asking you to select me because I bring employee relations experience, investigative experience, public sector knowledge, policy expertise, and the ability to evaluate difficult situations objectively. I believe I'm prepared to contribute to the integrity of the Tampa civil service system. Thank you for your consideration.

11:28:50AM Thank you, doctor. Clerk, it's my understanding that we only have one applicant online. That's kim farmer.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

11:29:03AM We have Pamela morrow-guinyard.

Alan Clendenin

11:29:15AM Good morning, Pamela. Start with your name, please. I had to check my time. My name is Pamela morrow-guinyard. I would first like to say I'm a 44-year resident of the City of Tampa. Came in '82 to go to USF. And now I have the time to serve. I want to serve on the Civil Service Board because I believe in serving my community and making sure people are treated fairly and respectfully. I understand the board has an important responsibility to listen to both sides, consider the facts, follow the rules, and make impartial decisions. I would like to bring my experience, integrity, and the ability to listen, work with others to ensure the civil service process is fair and consistent. For me, this is an opportunity to give back to the City of Tampa in a meaningful way. I believe I'm a good fit because of years of working in the Tampa Bay area, managing individuals, and now owning my own business has given me -- I'm sorry. I got lost. I am someone who takes responsibility seriously, listens before making decisions, and believe in treating people with dignity and fairness. I don't believe in making decisions based on assumptions or personal feelings. I believe in hearing the facts, understanding the situation, following the established rules and doing what is right. I would take this responsibility of serving on the board very seriously. I just want to sum it up with one sentence. I want to serve because I believe in fairness, accountability, and treating people with dignity. And I would like to use those values to serve the City of Tampa. Thank you.

11:31:12AM Thank you, Pamela.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

11:31:18AM We have two people remote that will apply remotely. Dayola adisa and kim farmer.

Alan Clendenin

11:31:29AM Dayola is not online. We only have kim farmer. Kim farmer, can you hear me? Thank you.

11:31:37AM Start with your name, please. Thank you so much for listening to me this morning. I'm sorry I couldn't be in person but I'm out of town. I'm very excited about the possibility of continuing my community involvement here in Tampa. I moved here from Colorado running from the snow. I love it here in Tampa. I don't plan to go anywhere else. I'm interested in serving on the board because I believe that fairness, accountability, and treating people with respect are essential to a strong community. Throughout my career in community involvement, I had the opportunity to work with people from many different backgrounds and perspectives. I've done a lot of volunteer work. My background is in wellness. I've done a lot of volunteer work with organizations like american diabetes association and american heart association. I have a business where I manage people and I have to listen to my staff members and treat them with respect and dignity and make decisions based on established policies and principles. My experience in human resources has given me a strong understanding of workplace policies, employee relations, performance issues, and the importance of having fair and consistent processes when addressing workplace concerns, I've had to be involved in audits in the past working with the department of labor, listening to the employees' appeals when it comes to unemployment matters. I've had the opportunity to listen to community members and just homeowners as I worked on HOA boards and listening to their appeals when it comes to them violating particular HOA rules and regulations. So I have a lot of experience of listening to the other side. Experience hearing appeals and concerns with homeowners and I learned how important it is to give people an opportunity to be heard. I've heard the other side of decision making because business ownership requires accountability, sound judgment, consistency, and the ability to make difficult decisions while understanding how those decisions affect employees, customers, and the community as a whole. Across experiences, one thing has remained consistent. I believe people deserve to be heard. I don't believe fairness means automatically agreeing with someone. It means listening to all sides, examining the facts and applying the rules consistently. My volunteer work in the Tampa community has also strengthened my commitment to public service. I value the opportunity to give back to the community I am a part of. I see serving on the Civil Service Board as another meaningful way to contribute. I understand that serving on the Civil Service Board carries an important responsibility and the decisions made by the board can have a meaningful impact on employees, the city, and the public served. I would take that responsibility seriously. My goal would be to listen respectfully, evaluate objectively, follow the applicable rules and ensure every person who comes before the board receives a fair and thoughtful process. Thank you so much for your consideration. I look forward to the opportunity of working with you. Thank you.

11:34:52AM Thank you so much. For those of you in the public, we do these ballots, they are public ballots. Individual councilpersons fill them out and submit them and then the clerk tabulates them.

Luis Viera

11:35:38AM May I say something? Everybody that applied, I served on the Civil Service Board for about eight years. Everybody's application, that was a hard pick. Everybody was great. Thank you all for your willingness to serve. A lot of good folks.

Alan Clendenin

11:35:58AM I served on it as well. We have a lot of committees that are very technical in nature. This is one of those technical type of committees that requires subject matter expertise. Dealing with very serious issues and employment issues. Something to always consider when we're making the selection.

Shirley Foxx-Knowles

11:36:20AM Shirley Foxx-Knowles, city clerk. Edward leonardo received no votes. Kim farmer received two votes. Laren huff received five votes.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:44AM Congratulations, laren.

Martin Shelby

11:36:47AM Motion and vote, please.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:48AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to approve the appointment of laren huff to the Civil Service Board committee. A second from Councilwoman Naya Young. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Congratulations.

Martin Shelby

11:37:07AM Motion coming back with a resolution.

Alan Clendenin

11:37:08AM Motion from Maniscalco, second from Viera, directing the city attorney to come back with a resolution. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you by our clerk as always. By the clerk and staff. We are now moving -- anybody have a request for reconsideration of legislative matters? Hearing none, we are now going to the consent agenda. Councilwoman Naya Young, items 8 through 13.

Naya Young

11:37:47AM I move items 8 through 13.

Alan Clendenin

11:37:50AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, 14 and 15.

Guido Maniscalco

11:37:57AM Very happy to approve 14. A motion to approve 14 and 15.

Alan Clendenin

11:38:03AM We have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:38:07AM Yes. This resolution is a long time in coming, so I'm glad this is done. Hopefully next year we can get this done earlier.

Alan Clendenin

11:38:18AM Thank you. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Miranda, items 16 through 20. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, 21 through 27.

Bill Carlson

11:38:32AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

11:38:33AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak, 28 through 29.

Lynn Hurtak

11:38:42AM 28 we had some public comment on. If it is not too much, I think it would be very interesting to have, since we have stormwater here, if we could hear from them during --

Alan Clendenin

11:38:57AM You are requesting to pull item 28.

Lynn Hurtak

11:39:00AM Yeah, I would like to pull 28 from the consent. It's only two more things from now, just to kind of hear about why we're moving $500,000.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:09AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to pull item 28. Second from Viera. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

11:39:15AM I move item 29.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:17AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to move 29, second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion from Hurtak to open all public hearings. Second from Councilwoman Young. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

11:39:35AM May I take 45 seconds to recognize our new intern? Thank you very much. Caden, come forward. I would like to introduce you to caden who goes to the University of South Florida. He is at the USF honors college which I was just telling him whenever I visit there, I'm impressed by all the young people there. Political science and business major. He's thinking about going to law school. We were talking about that. Just welcome. We all look forward to working with you. You seem like a wonderful young man. Do you want to say anything for a couple of seconds? Thank you so much. Very happy to be here representing USF. I know many amazing people in the community have come from our local university here. Yeah, I'm very honored here, especially interning under you, Councilman Viera.

Alan Clendenin

11:40:24AM Welcome to Tampa City Council. Any time you approach the podium, you have to state your name.

11:40:30AM Nice to have you here. Can we get a motion to approve the staff reports? Suling, do you have the ones that we did not need staff for?

The clerk

11:40:43AM 33, 35 --

Lynn Hurtak

11:40:46AM 40. I move 33, 35, 40.

Alan Clendenin

11:40:52AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Let's move to item 30, brownfields. My name is Beth Le with the city attorney's office. This is the first of two scheduled public hearings for a proposed Brownfield Area designation of properties consisting of three adjoining parcels that are generally located at 3601 North Central Avenue, 3814 North Central Avenue, and 501 East Lake Avenue. Robles park LLC and open space acquisition LLC are requesting this designation of the properties as a Brownfield Area to assist in the assessment and remediation of environmental impacts that may exist on the property. Details of the designation have been outlined in a document entitled staff report on Robles park Brownfield Area designation, which is available for public review at the city clerk's office and online in onbase. The on-site public meeting was properly noticed and a newspaper of general circulation and ethnic newspaper. The on-site public meeting was held on August 18, 2026, at Tampa Heights Junior Civic Association. At the conclusion of the second public hearing, which is scheduled for September 24, 2026, the council Will have an opportunity to pass a resolution designating Robles park as Brownfield Area. A representative for the applicant and developer are available during this public hearing for any questions that might arise. Thank you.

11:42:30AM Council have any questions of staff? Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Thank you very much. Second public reading schedule for September 24, 5:01 p.m. at -- 33602.

11:42:53AM Very good. Also, staff, I understand from Councilman Miranda, no longer need staff for item 46. Motion to move item 46. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item 31. Staff purposes, we'll break at 12 for lunch. Sorry. Receive and file. Item 31. The first reading for the honorary naming for Councilman Frank a. Reddick. We posted it on July 30th through August 14 per -- sorry, under our naming ordinance. We did not receive any public comment. Just what you have all received both here and through your personal e-mails. I'm available for any questions.

11:43:43AM Council have any questions?

Guido Maniscalco

11:43:45AM Just a quick comment. As I mentioned last time you presented this, I wanted to again thank council member Reddick. I know he's looking down from above. He was always very supportive of me from the beginning as I first got here. I'm very happy to see this moving forward. That's it.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:03AM Councilwoman Young, would you like to move this?

Naya Young

11:44:07AM I'm very happy to move this resolution -- ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, approving the naming of the activity center at Williams park located at 4362 East Osborne Avenue in Tampa, Florida, to honor frank a. Reddick, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:27AM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

11:44:35AM The motion carried unanimously with Hurtak being absent at vote. Second reading and adoption will be held on October 1st, 2026, At 10:00 a.m. in City Council Chambers 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:52AM Okay. Let's move on to item 28. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:45:01AM I was hoping that someone from stormwater could talk to us about moving the money from the assessment fund for motor pool expenses.

Alan Clendenin

11:45:15AM Brandon is cowering in the corner.

Lynn Hurtak

11:45:21AM We heard from the public how we're putting more money to our maintenance of stormwater and how we would really love that money to continue to go to maintenance and not necessarily to motor pool.

Brandon Campbell

11:45:35AM Absolutely. Good morning, council. Brandon Campbell, mobility Director. This item is a transfer of funds to the motor pool to cover expenses for our stormwater equipment out of available funds that were freed up by vacancies within the staff.

Alan Clendenin

11:45:53AM Do you have any further questions? Council have any further questions on this item?

Lynn Hurtak

11:45:57AM No. again, I think it would be better used actually doing the work. But that's -- I'll just request that in the future we put that toward actual labor because they are labor expenses instead of changing those and making those vehicle expenses.

Brandon Campbell

11:46:18AM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:46:21AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:46:23AM One more question. Do you have any idea if that equipment has or will be used for parades?

Brandon Campbell

11:46:29AM I don't know what the breakdown of that equipment is. We can certainly talk about the parade issue at length if we need to. It might be a good thing to have a briefing on if you like or if you would like us to put together a staff report, we can do that as well.

Alan Clendenin

11:46:47AM Any further questions? Councilwoman Hurtak, can you move item 28, please?

Lynn Hurtak

11:46:52AM I'm not going to vote for it.

Alan Clendenin

11:46:54AM Councilman Maniscalco, motion from Councilman Maniscalco moving item 28. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor aye. Opposed?

The clerk

11:47:03AM Motion carried with Hurtak and Carlson voting no.

Alan Clendenin

11:47:08AM Thank you very much. Okay. It is 11:47. I'm assuming, because we are going to move on. There's no administrative update. Nobody is going to represent the administration for an update, correct? Okay. Very good.

Lynn Hurtak

11:47:23AM We can do 34, 41, 42, 43. They are just maps. My goal was so people can understand this is not part of the South Howard project. It is completely different. I wanted to assuage the public's possible concern.

Alan Clendenin

11:47:40AM Let's do it. Item 34, 41, 42, 43. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify those projects. Sorry for the crude mark-up here. Really, this is what comes before you in these different line items here. Item 31 is that kimmins project, $9.8 million. It is not associated with the South Howard in any way here. It's really laying the groundwork and framework for future investments. Item number 41, with the dallas 1, shown on the hampton terrace and ric-man project are split between North Ybor and Oakford Park. This represents about $36.2 million of pipeline replacements between 2 and 12-inch in diameter. Replacing anywhere from 60 to nearly hundred-year-old pipelines.

11:48:42AM Does council have any questions on these items? Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:48:48AM Do you want us to move them?

Alan Clendenin

11:48:50AM If there are no questions. I need a motion to move 34, 41, 42, and 43.

Bill Carlson

11:48:56AM I'll move them.

Alan Clendenin

11:48:57AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Councilman Viera for the second. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. You were right. Not controversial at all. 45. What time is it? Let's do it. 45.

Brandon Campbell

11:49:31AM Good morning again. Brandon Campbell, mobility director. Item 45 is a staff report related to the opportunities that we have for citywide alleyway action plan. Within that staff memo, we talked about the groundwork that has been done in West Tampa between the CRA and the development and growth management team. The good news is that process has sort of set a framework and a template that we can use across the city should we wish to pursue something citywide. It also shows that it can be done in bite-size pieces if we would like to face a similar project on a citywide basis. Staff estimated that a full citywide alleyway study would cost somewhere around 2 to 2.5 million dollars and would likely take around 18 months. Of course, if we want to scale that to available resources. That's something we could consider as well.

Alan Clendenin

11:50:33AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:50:34AM I can only say it seems simple but it's not. Give you an example. West Tampa has many, many alleys. Most are all different sizes. I stopped and saw one the other day that had a fence between the backyard of one house facing one street, backyard of another street facing each other. There was a fence there about three feet long -- wide, I mean high. Further investigation when the gentleman who bought the two lots behind built two houses, there was another fence put up. I started looking at that and guess what, that fence that was there was never supposed to be there. Supposed to be an alley. Gentleman must have known it because he moved his fence back. Now there are four trees in the middle of the alley hanging over a house. I can only say what I saw there. That's it.

Alan Clendenin

11:51:27AM I think that was the gist of this is having a comprehensive look at alleys, basically trying to identify which alleys are retainable and what alleys we want to protect. To go forward, obviously, the cost, and I think Brandon made a good point taking it one bite at a time. Also, I want to throw out a thought. This is not solidified. This is just a thought, not well thought through. What about considering a special assessment for homes on alleys that would help fund this along with future maintenance and improvement sometime in the future? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:52:09AM I actually think that's a great idea. I think we should probably study that because that's one of the areas that people talk about all the time. Personally, I know $2.5 million is a lot of money, but I really believe with the growth that this city is seeing, that that study is more important than ever. So I'm curious. You're not going to be able to answer this right now. But I would be curious for our meeting next Tuesday night to talk about the first budget vote if there is money or if there is the ability to at least have a plan. May not allocate all 2.5 million because we don't have the resources to complete the study, but what I would love to see is maybe some back of the napkin math, just really quick little, you know, what do you think we could actually accomplish per year? Hopefully to not last more than three years. We really need to get a plan done.

Brandon Campbell

11:53:15AM I will ask staff to put together whatever they can come up with on a more granular basis between now and next Tuesday and hopefully we'll have something that is manageable.

Lynn Hurtak

11:53:26AM Yeah, again, I'm just curious on just what that cost would be yearly. Do you think that makes sense? And then if you wanted to make a motion about thinking about a possible alley assessment, that would be a lot of things to look at, but I think it's not a bad idea.

Alan Clendenin

11:53:45AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:53:46AM Yeah, I think it would be a good idea to have to start a plan. To a lot of people in the city, alleys are very, very important. And I think for urban Planning in the future, they are important. What happens is they get taken away on an ad hoc basis and we need a strategy for them. Especially in South Tampa, places like Hyde Park, folks will really harshly defend the alleys. If we could have a phased -- I don't know if it is possible to have a multiyear deal where we can phase in the budget over years. I don't know exactly how you would do it, to make it equitable. If it's 2.5 million, half million for four years or whatever, that would be something we at least could give hope to the communities --

Brandon Campbell

11:54:35AM Noted, thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:54:36AM I think everybody understands our alleys, how we get water out of neighborhoods as well. Very applicable to the conversation we've had today in so many of our neighborhoods, alleys are critical to watersheding in neighborhoods. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:54:51AM I want to recommend something. If you look from Columbus Drive and Macdill Avenue, if you drive from there to MLK on both sides, you'll find alleys that are eight foot, ten foot, people put a fence on the outside and trees the size of a big oak tree in the middle of it. You'll find a lot more than you're looking for. The alleys belong to the city, I would imagine, no fence in the middle and then find some alleys that have a fence between them. What I just said is a fact. You'll find that those belong to the city. The city may be possibly, I said again, possibly, responsible in case there is an accident and the trees fall on the houses. If there's no alley and now there is an alley.

Lynn Hurtak

11:55:44AM Chair, you wish to make a motion?

Alan Clendenin

11:55:46AM Yes. Make a motion for staff to return on February 24, 2027, on the opportunities or possibilities of a special assessment on houses that currently back up onto an alley and help fund the two to two and a half million study needed for alleys and also to help pay for maintenance and improvements.

Lynn Hurtak

11:56:10AM I have a motion from Chair Clendenin. I have a second from Councilman Viera. All in favor? I'm so sorry. Put your light on.

Charlie Miranda

11:56:19AM Those alleys that you're going to find on both sides that have extension between it between one and the other and alley behind it, the people don't even know there's an alley. Been there that long. Just drive through and look at it before you go and do anything else because you're going to find more than what you're going to be able to handle.

Alan Clendenin

11:56:42AM I think that's kind of the intent of this.

Charlie Miranda

11:56:44AM I understand.

Alan Clendenin

11:56:45AM Mr. Campbell -- we have to study these things to understand what we have, what assets we have. What assets we have that are savable and usable and are in the public interest. Then we can move forward with something.

Lynn Hurtak

11:56:59AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:57:00AM What it's going to force with the study and then this proposal is if folks have a chance to opt in, it will push really fast the idea of whether the people around the alley want to keep it or vacate it. We'll hear that feedback really quickly. I think there has to be an opportunity for the majority of the people to opt in so that it's not something imposed.

Lynn Hurtak

11:57:26AM I have a motion from Chair Clendenin. A second from Councilman Viera. All in favor? Any opposed?

Alan Clendenin

11:57:33AM Okay. It is 11:58. We'll adjourn for lunch. Let's return here at 1:30. [ sounding gavel ] [lunch recess] [ sounding gavel ]

1:32:02PM Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for your patience. Welcome back to Tampa City Council. Clerk, call the roll, please.

Charlie Miranda

1:32:07PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

1:32:08PM Here.

Naya Young

1:32:11PM Here. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

1:32:13PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

1:32:14PM Here.

The clerk

1:32:15PM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

1:32:16PM Unanimous consent to address item 44? Item number 44. Any staff here? Hello there. Caught me off guard there for a second. Good afternoon. Dave hay, Planning Commission staff. Before I begin the presentation, I want to acknowledge Danny Collins who was instrumental in the Planning Commission's research and coordination with City staff. He is enjoying a well-deserved vacation, so you are all stuck with me this afternoon. I'll be presenting with the assistance of City Planning and legal staff, and we will be presenting the results of the research conducted regarding your motion. As a reminder, your motion asked us to research ways other local governments restrict comprehensive plan amendments to the entitlements approved in a Planned Development rezoning and to outline the impacts of using similar approaches here in Tampa. To frame the discussion, we'll start with Florida's growth management requirements. State law is very clear in this. Each future land use category must be defined in terms of uses included and must include standards to be followed in the control and distribution of population densities and building and structure intensities. This means any PD future land use category must still include defined standards, density, intensity, and allowable uses within the comprehensive plan itself, a PD zoning condition alone cannot substitute for this statutory requirements. In Florida, PD flu categories are most commonly used for large, undeveloped tracts, often master planned communities. They provide flexibility for unique site conditions and long-term development programs. A good example here is pasco county starkey ranch subarea which is around 2,000 acres. These PD flu designations are typically paired with detailed development standards adopted directly into the comprehensive plan. Tampa's development pattern is very different to pasco's. We currently have 26 flu categories, all of which include defined uses, density, and f.a.r., floor area ratio maximums. We do not have a PD flu category or similar mechanism currently. Importantly, the median comprehensive plan amendment in Tampa is about 1.02 acres in size. That's a very small scale compared to the large tracts of PD flu categories typically used elsewhere. The team reviewed several jurisdictions, pasco county was one of them. Seminole county, orange county, and the city of gainesville. Each uses PD flu categories differently. But the common theme is that they apply them to large areas and rely on multiple layers of approval. Map amendments, text amendments, PD zonings, and any adopting ordinances. Across jurisdictions we found several consistent patterns. Many require both a map and text amendment adopted by ordinance. Most apply the PD flu categories to large undeveloped land. Several jurisdictions are moving away from this mechanism due to complexity and notably cities like Orlando, miami, and ft. Lauderdale do not use PD flu categories at all. Overall, PD flu categories tend to add complexity rather than reduce them is what staff found in our discussions with the other jurisdictions. Here is an example from one of pasco's 86 master planned unit developments or subareas. You could see it calls out specific maximums for each approved use. The actual design guidelines for any of the area would be further regulated through pasco's land development code. All right. Staff found that Tampa already has several tools that provide flexibility without needing Planned Development flu category. First, development bonuses allow projects to exceed standard density or f.a.r. When they provide public benefit such as affordable housing contributions, transit, or infrastructure improvements. This gives applicants a predictable path to additional intensity and density, while ensuring the city receives something in return. The second, adaptive reuse incentives support redevelopment of older or historic buildings. These incentives already apply within urban villages and are proposed for expansion citywide. They allow projects to consider uses or f.a.r. Levels that normally wouldn't be permitted under the underlying flu category which is especially helpful for infill sites. Third, expanding flexible categories like the existing neighborhood mixed use future land use categories can support mixed use redevelopment without requiring PD zonings or a new flu designation. Finally, the city can initiate publicly initiated map amendments for unique sites where the existing flu may not align with development goals. This keeps the process predictable while still allowing for some flexibility. Together, these tools already provide multiple pathways for flexibility in redevelopment without introducing an additional layer of review that a PD flu category would potentially require. Overall, the staff found that introducing a PD flu category in Tampa would potentially create several challenges to how the system operates. At first, there is the issue of consistency with Florida's comprehensive Planning requirements. State law requires every flu category to include those defined standards for uses, density, intensity. A PD flu category can't rely solely on the PD zonings that are attached to it, the conditions in that zoning. Those standards must be written directly into the comprehensive plan. That's to meet state law. That means that each PD project would need its own set of site-specific standards adopted through a text amendment. Which that text amendment would need to be reviewed by the state. Second, this creates a more complex approval structure that the staff found instead of just a map amendment with an associated rezoning, like I had said earlier, it will require three separate actions. The flu map changed to actually change the subject site from the flu category now to the PD flu designation. A comprehensive plan text amendment associated with that, that would establish the project's maximum entitlements under that specific PD flu. And then the PD zoning itself would also need to be processed for zoning. Third, this PD flu approach requires a mechanism in the comprehensive plan to track and maintain project's specific entitlements over time. Tampa processes a high volume of small infill amendments, typically slightly over an acre. Adding project-specific flu standards for each of those sites would significantly increase, or potentially increase, administrative complexity. Fourth, it would significantly increase staff workload and review timelines because each PD flu designation, since it would carry its own site-specific requirements, staff would need to prepare, review, and maintain a growing list because if like in pasco there's 86, they started out with one and then it eventually starts building. Fifth it may reduce the overall transparency and predictability for everyone involved in the development process. Right now -- and you all know this -- you know, you can go into the comprehensive plan and look at, okay, this neighborhood is r-10. There's going to be fluctuations in the zoning underneath that, but they are all capped at the 10. Under this potential PD flu, you could get things that are slightly -- if you all agree -- slightly over ten or it could be under 10, but a citizen would need to research the PD flu because now since it will now not show on the map as the entitlement. There is that complexity in it. Finally, adopting the PD flu category could work against one of the city's stated goals through the land development code update, the city has been emphasizing reducing the reliance on PD zoning in favor of more predictable form based and conventional zoning tool. A PD flu category would likely increase the number of those PD zonings, not decrease them, because applicants would need to do an additional PD. They could not do a euclidean under the PD flu category. Together, it was staff's finding that these issues show that the challenges are not just procedural. They affect clarity, predictability and long-term administration. When combined with the structural concerns we discussed in a couple of slides back, they suggest that a PD flu category may introduce some more complex issues than the overall benefit in Tampa's ongoing redevelopment. Here we've got South Tampa Ballast Point. You know how the structure works. Basically, the adopted flu guides the zoning districts that contain more detail than what the comp plan does. They can't exceed what this map says. What staff found was that over time, the potential, all the yellows, these are PD zonings. It would eventually, how the zoning map looks here could eventually how this flu map could eventually look with these kind of PD holes in them that then would require further research on what the entitlements were underneath that particular flu. Overall, there were just some considerations. If you all do decide to move this forward, it would be one of the recommendations from the Planning Commission that we look at the cost of what the impacts potentially could be with implementing this. In conclusion, our team did find that the PD flu categories are typically used for those large tracts of undeveloped land, often 50 acres or more. Tampa's development pattern is, again, fundamentally different. Most amendments involve small -- currently, most amendments involve those small infill sites. Staff found that it potentially could increase the number of amendments, extend the review timelines because now you would technically need to go to the state for the text amendment, the associated text amendment. It may also conflict with the stated goal that I know we've all been kind of working toward of reducing the PD zoning. Given these factors and the other tools such as the bonuses and the adaptive reuse incentives that are currently on there in the comp plan update that hopefully you all see shortly and target amendments that you all can initiate if there are areas where you feel that the comp plan is not in alignment with where the city would like to go. Those tools provide greater flexibility with fewer administrative burdens is what staff found. So that concludes my presentation. I know I'm available and City staff is here as well if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you.

1:45:22PM As you can imagine, yes, I do. To say that I'm not happy with this presentation would be a significant understatement. I find this to be exactly what people hate about government. We have a problem that government should be trying to solve, not government creating obstacles for the community in doing things. The intent of this motion from the very beginning was figuring out a way to be as flexible with our land use categories and future land use categories as we are with the zoning and trying to take out, as I stated when I made the motion, the issue with the sky is going to fall if you approve this. Because we have projects, what happens is, they get rejected because of the what-if possibilities. Because these categories are so broad that you put us in a position that if we approve a future land use amendment and then we get briefed every week -- isn't that right, Susan? -- you approve this, this is what the worst-case scenario, you approve this, this is what could happen. That's generally not what is being presented before us. So what I asked you all to do is come before this council to figure out a way that we could inject some common sense here so we could say somebody wants to build a day-care center on a parcel, some kind of -- or a hotel, or something, and we want to do that but I don't want them to put in the worst-case scenario of that future land use category. Again, this is -- I've heard words like mostly, typical, often, not exclusive when it comes to this. Secondly, if you are doing real science, all you presented to us is the negatives. You couldn't find any positives? Or you just chose not to because all-- you chose that you didn't want to do this because it conflicts with your agenda. I'm not talking to you specifically. I'm talking with the organization. It conflicted with your agenda. We're looking for options to be able to inject some common sense so we have the flexibility when we choose to use that flexibility as a council that if someone comes to us with a future land use or, sorry, a rezoning PD, that makes sense but I can't approve the future land use because we get briefed that this is the worst-case -- if you approve this PD, they are going to build xyz or potential because it goes forever, right? We're trying to keep that from happening. My intent is to actually do this. Direct the Legal Department and the Planning Commission, other necessary City staff to create a process that will allow a comprehensive plan map amendment to be tied to the PD rezonings along with increasing the comprehensive plan map and text amendment fees. Also want to increase the text amendment fees and return on December 17, 2026.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:48:37PM Susan Johnson Velez, Legal Department. Having been part of the discussions relative to this response and David's presentation --

Alan Clendenin

1:48:46PM You know every -- confirm or deny, every single conversation we have about future land use.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:48:51PM I can. But the challenge here is trying to maintain compliance with state law as well as our own comprehensive plan as well as our land development code.

Alan Clendenin

1:49:04PM I'm not asking --

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:49:07PM Your motion was that you want to create possibly an endless number of PD flu categories --

Alan Clendenin

1:49:15PM That was not my motion.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:49:16PM Well, I mean --

Alan Clendenin

1:49:19PM No, that was not my motion. Listen to my motion. Go back and read the motion. The motion was -- go back and read it. It was not that. In other words, you all figure out a way that we can do this. It could be whatever way you think, how can we do this? I know other jurisdictions do use PD, PD future land use. One opportunity that other jurisdictions have chosen to do. I'm not a subject matter on this. Maybe something that you guys as subject matter experts can figure out. I know PDs are one example, future land use PDs that other jurisdictions have used in the State of Florida that obviously must conform to law because it's widely used.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:49:56PM Our research didn't reveal any other mechanism that any other jurisdiction has used for -- you know, to achieve what you're saying. It was the PD flu category that again, as David said, is in jurisdictions that have large tracts of land. It's not used in urban areas like Tampa. Not in miami, not in Orlando, ft. Lauderdale, and so Tampa is more like those than it is like pasco county or orange county or seminole county. That's the findings we are bringing back to you and the challenges of trying to utilize that type of process with, for example, one acre or maybe five acre. I don't know that there are many five-acre parcels in the city. Usually these are 20 acres and above. They are larger tracts of land.

Alan Clendenin

1:50:48PM I think you can agree as well, generally PDs are supposed to be for larger scale projects as well. We routinely use those for single-family lots in PDs in the City of Tampa. Conceptually, they were intended to be used for large acreage parcels. But that has evolved over time where that's not the practice that we exercise.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:51:09PM So I think -- I heard your motion, again when you repeated it. I think staff would ask for some guidance.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:17PM I think it's simple, Susan. Again, we've had these projects time and time again where the project had merit, but the problem is, when we go to it with the future land use, every time I walked into your office, you've briefed me that if you approve this, it's not about this project. It's about you're going to approve a future land use that's tied to that land. And if you do that, some future developer, they could sell that property tomorrow and some future developer could come in there and they are not going to build the day care center. They are going to build the monstrosity of the universe that will destroy Tampa. That's every single briefing we get. How do we as a government inject common sense in this so that we can tie this so that we can actually get what we're bargaining for without the catastrophic impact that you present every time? Legal bind that we're in. It's true. What you briefed us is factually legally correct. What I'm trying to do is fix the process so that we can eliminate those risk factors. With that being said, the motion says you all come back with a plan on December 17.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:52:44PM I'm sorry. Other part of your motion was to look at increasing the application fee. It's not just the application fee. Application fee for amendment to the comp plan is relatively low.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:57PM I want to increase all the fees because we are undercharging for comp plan updates.

Susan Johnson-Velez

1:53:03PM It's more staff time that will have to be dedicated to maintaining --

Alan Clendenin

1:53:09PM These should reflect the actual costs of doing this. If the council does decide, I think we would need time to figure out any procedures to figure out what the cost would be because currently this is not within the framework.

1:53:28PM I understand there is a process. This will be this and, of course, the fee structure would probably have to be continued because I understand it is a lengthy process to do that. I agree with that. But I do think we need to evaluate our fee structures on comp plan amendments. I think right now we're undercharging for staff time because I think staff take a lot of time and energy in the comp plan. I don't think the fee structure comes close to compensating the city for the amount of money it costs us.

David Hey

1:54:03PM If you'll allow me to, while you're dealing with these issues about particular sites, when we reviewed this, when you were giving your example of, like, well, they only want the day care but the land use allows, you know, whatever. Again, that tower in your scenario talked about wouldn't have to always come back to you all just because the land use -- you all know this -- just because the land use sets it out, there are all these other parameters compatibility with the development around it, all things like that, neighborhood --

Alan Clendenin

1:54:48PM David, you're absolutely right. The problem is Susan briefs us every time, in perpetuity -- when I'm dead and daisies growing on my grave, that future lives forever. We're trying to close that door so we don't have that future opportunity. Because you just don't know what the next generation of people sitting in the seats are going to do.

David Hey

1:55:10PM What I was trying to get, you would create a PD and text amendment. There's no prohibition on someone five years later coming in going I have this PD flu text that gave me 100,000 square feet but now I want 150,000 square feet and if there is a gap there, there would be a different City Council, some members might be different that may have different opinions than what currently council's opinions are. I wouldn't say it closes the door. It does create another layer, but there's still, you know, people can always come in and ask for another amendment, just like a map amendment.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:56PM I think this is staff bureaucracy getting in the way of common sense. Councilwoman Hurtak, Councilman Maniscalco, Councilman Carlson.

Lynn Hurtak

1:56:05PM I could not disagree more.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:07PM It doesn't shock me.

Lynn Hurtak

1:56:12PM It shouldn't. These are the rules that the State of Florida has put upon us.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:16PM Well, you are antidevelopment.

Lynn Hurtak

1:56:18PM Excuse me. I'm antidevelopment, yeah. That is not at all what I'm saying. We have to allow people to do what they can with their own property. Like, we can't reduce that. I don't see how in the world that you're going to create something that doesn't exist unless you go through the State of Florida to do it. I don't agree with this. It doesn't make any sense to me. The entire point of future land use is to be broad enough that people can do multiple things under a land use. We're not going to be able to save every structure. We're not going to be able to save everything. Not everything is meant for every scenario. I think that sometimes it doesn't work and sometimes it does. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. We can't circumvent and create a whole new rule for the one or two times it doesn't work. I respectfully disagree. Others may not, but I do.

Guido Maniscalco

1:57:22PM What does the county do when it comes to Planned Development tied to comp plan amendments? Do they have a different process or basically the same way?

David Hey

1:57:31PM It's very similar to what the process is currently. They do have some different major mods and minor mods. But there is no PD flu category. All the land uses set out maximums that some require a PD, like light industrial plan. You have to do a PD. There's no euclidean that's permitted. But there's no categories that are site specific.

Guido Maniscalco

1:57:59PM Thanks.

Alan Clendenin

1:58:00PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

1:58:01PM I just think we should call the question. You can carry this off line and they can come back with feedback. When it comes back, we can decide whether we like it or not.

Alan Clendenin

1:58:14PM Call the question.

Charlie Miranda

1:58:17PM Thank you, Maniscalco. It's all right. We look alike. Got the same hair cut. What I'm saying, you know, we only have a certain amount of land left. We don't have ten million acres left. We have 3 or 4 percent. That's what I've been told. I don't know how true it is. The City of Tampa already has -- more than likely you know when you're looking at some plan or developing some plan that you can't go into a residential district, build monstrosity in middle of main street. Can't do it. Land not zoned for it. Areas already subdivided intentionally by past history and current events that hold you to be what it is. We used to have three industrial areas. Down to one and more likely going to lose that one. It's a very hard job you have. I understand that. Very difficult job that we have. We are both in the same boat. You know what? It's sinking. Because now on the other side of the airport, I see a building going up. Almost constructed now. All wood, four stories. I tell myself, wow, one match would do what. Nature has changed. The environment, we created the wrong way. It was going pretty good until we as human beings started doing things and now we have, what, enormous amount of flooding. Enormous amount of areas where you have -- the whole country. The whole world. Look at Nepal, different things in this part of the country, japan and everything else. Never had before. Look how many areas in the north, you had snow in June. Give me a break. All these things are happening because we didn't let nature do its job. We did what we wanted to do and now we're paying the price. It's not going to get better. That's my opinion. What you're trying to do is the right thing. I'm saying that certain areas are restricted just for residential. Areas restricted for certain heights. Certain areas can't do heights unless you have a lot of money. Go over to the airport and do whatever the hell you want. These are things I see difficult for you and for us. We are both in the same boat. We're trying to fix something that may be half broken and we're trying to do things that are necessary, but we don't take advantage of what we have. Before you didn't have a traffic problem. You can correct me anytime you want. Ten minutes to go from here to certain place. Now takes 25 minutes to go from a certain place. The more we build, we have zero. In my mind, we have zero transportation other than the automobile. You can correct me again. We don't have no rail. We have a streetcar that's been going the same way now for at least 20 years. Ways to improve it, trying to do that, how are we going to get, cost million dollars, $25 million. It's very difficult to be on your side and this side at the same time. I understand what you're trying to do and it has to get a little bit better. Take into consideration when you go back 20 years ago, how many mental illness did you find in the street. Very few. Either a habit that everybody is crazy or they are saying they are crazy so they can get some money somewhere. It is what it is. Let's face it. These are the things that we're up against. Mental stress, everybody is full of it. Years ago, we didn't have any. I understand the position you're in, that's all.

Susan Johnson-Velez

2:02:03PM Susan Johnson Velez, Legal Department. You're asking us to come back with an ordinance.

Alan Clendenin

2:02:08PM I'll read it again.

Susan Johnson-Velez

2:02:11PM Is it to come back with an ordinance?

Alan Clendenin

2:02:13PM I'll read it. Direct the Legal Department, Planning Commission, and other necessary City staff to create a process that will allow comprehensive plan map amendments to be tied to plan development rezonings along with increasing the comprehensive plan map and text amendment fees and return -- I initially said December 17, but hearing your concern, change that to February 18, 2027. February 18, 2027.

Lynn Hurtak

2:02:43PM Can I make a friendly amendment to separate those two?

Alan Clendenin

2:02:52PM I would rather not. It kind of rides, again, as David said, this would end up creating a process that would increase the cost.

Lynn Hurtak

2:03:00PM I have a motion and a second. All those in favor? Any opposed? Nay.

The clerk

2:03:08PM Motion carried with Hurtak and Miranda voting no.

Bill Carlson

2:03:12PM I want to clarify, I'm voting yes and I seconded it the first time. Partly out of courtesy and curiosity to see what you all come up with. Not necessarily that I'll vote yes in the final thing.

Alan Clendenin

2:03:24PM Thanks. Gosh, I thought that would be so easy. Very good. Now we're going from easy to easier. [ laughter ] we took 46 off. We received and filed 46. What item is it? Item number 36, if I've got this correct --

Bill Carlson

2:03:59PM Ask a process question? We have a rule that we're supposed to hear things that were 20 million two weeks apart --

Alan Clendenin

2:04:09PM It's for council and folks in the audience, there's -- unless a councilperson makes a motion on something subsequent to this. The way this is today, we'll hear 36 through 39 together. The way this works today, this is the first reading. On the 17th of September we come back for the second time around and that's the decision point. We're going to hear from staff, have council discussion. On September 17, we'll come back for a vote. Is everybody clear on that? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

2:04:48PM Mr. Chairman, these are grouped as one through four, items 36, 37, 38, 39. I suspect they are interrelated. Does that mean they are all going to be held and continued over to the 17th?

Alan Clendenin

2:05:01PM Yes, that is the intent.

Martin Shelby

2:05:04PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:05:05PM Unless anybody objects. Very good. This is presentation time. We're hearing 36, 37, 38, 39. This is your bite at the apple. Start with your name.

Brad Baird

2:05:17PM Brad Baird, administrator for infrastructure and mobility. Good afternoon. You've already covered up for discussion and up for approval. Items 36 through 39. We have our team here in support, including Brandon Campbell, and our contractor and senior engineer that are here in support. If I could get the presentation to be pulled up. First, I'll cover total costs of the project. Back in January of 2026, we had an estimated total cost of 98.3 million and total current cost equal 100.4 million. And that is comprised of design at 7.7 million and GMP or guaranteed maximum price, of 92.7 million for a total of 100.4 million. Two things changed since January. The existing triple box culvert in Bayshore at Howard is 30 feet shorter than was shown on the record drawings. So that means we need to extend that purple box by 30 feet to get under southbound Bayshore Boulevard. And that includes bypassing of an existing 42-inch -- actually a 48-inch sewer that was lined with a 42-inch polyethylene pipe. And that is a gravity pipe that acts as a siphon under this triple box. All for a total of an additional 2.3 million. So that is almost exactly the difference between 98.3 and 92 -- I mean 100.4. The second thing that changed is as you all know, we have added a business assistance team. That was added to ensure that we are doing everything we can to minimize the impacts to the businesses on South Howard and on swann. So we will cover that in a little bit. Next slide, please. This is the proposed flooding solution. Its primary feature is 10 by 10 gravity box, culvert terminating at the AMI pond. It includes secondary pipelines that connect the selmon expressway and also a 72-inch pipeline that connects Parkland Estates. This is a legacy project that will serve other neighborhoods in the future that flood east and of West Howard Avenue. You cannot do that with a force main. If you were to build a force main alternative, you are locked in. Locked in to what you can tie into that. So I want to cover the AMI pond. Going back to the AMI pond, I would like to clear up a few misconceptions. First, it is a pond, not a vault. So it has a dirt bottom. It is not silted in. You've heard that the AMI pumping station hasn't worked in ten years. The existing pumping station works. In fact, our computer modeling system called SCADA shows that the two pumps at the station automatically turned on and turned off 177 times over the last 90 days. It works just fine. So the statement that this pump station hasn't worked in ten years is blatantly false. It pumps water to the cleveland system to the west and outfalls three miles away to Old Tampa Bay. The cleveland system, however, is currently undersized and overburdened. So you heard a lot about our design storm. Five-year, eight-hour storm, which is the equivalent of 5.3 inches. It just so happens -- well, let me back up. This level storm is the city's standard engineering design storm and it's for which we design other projects for. So what does this mean? Equivalent of 5.3 inches of rain over an 8-hour period. It just so happens we had a storm with identical characteristics with 5.4 inches of rain on August 1st, 2015. What did it look like? It looked like it had flooded homes, vehicles, road closures, resident displacement, no hospital access for a period of time. Slowed emergency response. Two bus service route interruptions, route 14 and route 19. Lost business revenue on Swann Avenue and, of course, costly repairs. Fast-forward to a month ago, we had a storm that was smaller, a smaller storm. Only a two-inch storm, with shorter duration. This is what Parkland Estates looked like one month ago. What does this investment of $100 million deliver? 95% flood reduction in Palma Ceia Pines and Parkland Estates. Yes, in Palma Ceia Pines. So you've heard many, many times, it does not provide -- phase one does not provide flood relief to Palma Ceia Pines. That is false. It does provide significant relief to Palma Ceia Pines. No structural flooding for the design storm in either Palma Ceia Pines or Parkland Estates. And approximately 230 homes, you've heard different numbers. You heard 220, 225, 235. It's 230, plus or minus, homes and businesses would have been spared by milton. If you recall, we had in the neighborhood of 330 homes that flooded -- homes and businesses that flooded during milton. All right. This is where I need Brandon's help. This is before on the left and after the 10 by 10 box. He's going to pause at five hours. And that is when the flooding has peaked. You can see on the right no structures flooded for our designed storm. On the left, it peaks at about 96 units, I'll say, because as you can see, that's not 96 red dots or red squares, so there's obviously more units in each of those squares than just one. If I could have Brandon fast-forward again and stop it at eight hours, the flooding is completely gone in Palma Ceia Pines and Parkland Estates, whereas in the existing condition, there are still a handful of structures that remain flooded and, of course, the streets have flooding of still over two feet at that point.

Alan Clendenin

2:14:47PM Brad, for clarity, make sure we're all speaking the same language. When you say 96 or 220, is it structures, is it homes? Because we have a lot of multifamily. In public comment we talked about that a lot. Town houses, multifamily, businesses, can you give us the common language of what you're referring to?

Brad Baird

2:15:07PM It is all of the above.

Alan Clendenin

2:15:09PM 96 what? What does that mean? Structure?

Brad Baird

2:15:13PM Residents, multifamily, businesses.

Alan Clendenin

2:15:15PM If there's four individual family homes in a building, is that one structure or is that four?

Brad Baird

2:15:21PM Four. Counted as four.

Alan Clendenin

2:15:24PM Okay. Four. It's not 96 structures. It's 96 homes or businesses.

Brad Baird

2:15:31PM 96 residences or businesses. Thank you for that clarification. If you'll run it out, you'll see that on the left which is the existing condition, the flooding has dissipated by hour 12. That is what we're seeing in reality out in these neighborhoods. Drainage project and fixing the chronic flooding we see in Parkland Estates, Palma Ceia Pines and the nearby neighborhoods. The root of the problem is pretty simple: these neighborhoods sit very, very low. Because of that low-lying topography, they are especially prone to flooding. These neighborhoods are also shaped like giant bowls, when heavy rain hits, water rushes in, fills up fast and doesn't drain the way it should because current pipes there are way too small. City engineers and independent experts are designing this system to handle a serious storm, about five inches of rain over eight hours. That's enough water to fill the iconic river gate tower. When all that water has nowhere to go it can cause a lot of damage. So what is the fix? The proposed solution uses a massive 10-foot by 10-foot box culvert system capable of moving roughly 20 million gallons of stormwater every single hour. Think of it as a mile-long underground river designed to pull all that excess water out of these neighborhoods. The system would start near South Howard and Bayshore, head north, turn onto Swann Avenue, and then continue north into Palma Ceia Pines by connecting directly to the pond beneath the hca Florida South Tampa hospital parking deck. That pond would essentially become a giant inlet pulling excess floodwater out of the neighborhood and sending it south where it can drain properly. Remember the sheer volume of water we're talking about, beer can building worth, the system is designed to move it out of the neighborhoods fast before it can cause serious damage. This approach isn't new. In fact, it's tried and true. Similar projects across the city including at Henderson and dale mabry are already proving how effective this type of drainage system can be. Bottom line, less flooding means safer streets for everyday drivers and first responders, fewer homes at risk of catastrophic damage, lower insurance costs, and real peace of mind for families and businesses who just want to know their investments are better protected. [End of video]

2:18:26PM Sorry about that.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:27PM D j vu moment.

Brad Baird

2:18:31PM You guys just want to see it once, right? Why does this work? This slide is very important. These two neighborhoods reside in bowls. I think that was covered in the video. The elevation of the bottom of the bowls is roughly 15, 16 feet. Palma Ceia Pines 16, Parkland Estates is roughly 15. 15, 16 feet. So between the bowls and the bay water at mean tide, you're talking about 16 feet. That is a lot of elevation to work with that we usually don't have that much. So that water flowing full will flow at 7 feet per second. Even during helene, when the bay rose to elevation 8, these two neighborhoods would have drained very easily. In fact, we have modeled this condition at 8 feet elevation, the velocity decreases from 7 feet per second to 6.5 feet per second or less than 10% reduction. And the flow decreases from 650 cubic feet per second down to 600 cubic feet per second, also less than 10% reduction. So you have heard people say that with any significant storm surge, and that, by the way, is the biggest one on record, 8 feet, this alternative will not work. This is not true. Simple physics say otherwise. It will flow like a river very fast out that outfall. Let's talk about success stories. When we passed -- when City Council passed the stormwater improvement assessment in 2016, we had four large projects on that map, and we had about a hundred smaller projects showing as smaller yellow dots. All four projects are completed to this day. You can see the flooding that existed on upper peninsula, which is Henderson, dale mabry, problem fixed. Southeast Seminole Heights, problem fixed. Rome Avenue, which was fixed by the Cypress Street project, fixed. Lower peninsula had some flooding and this is showing a picture of the pond down there, had some flooding. Problem was fixed. In all four cases, we used box culverts to fix the problem, just like we're proposing here. That was addressed earlier. You can't build this project with a trench box and install the box culvert. That is not true. We used a trench box in all four cases. This trench box will be 20 by 24 feet long. It will move in 22-foot sections so it has a one-foot overlap on each side. Some of the renderings that the business alliance has shown, it showed sheet piling right next to the buildings in the right-of-way. That is not what we are proposing. It is not necessary. The better method of construction is with a trench box. It's tried and true, and that is exactly what we're proposing.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:57PM Maybe we can pause there for questions.

Brad Baird

2:22:59PM I'm almost finished.

Alan Clendenin

2:23:03PM Why don't we pause here because it's on the engineering and structure.

Brad Baird

2:23:09PM I would rather wait until the end, but sure.

Alan Clendenin

2:23:12PM I think it's a logical time. Otherwise we'll get convoluted between the different components of this.

Guido Maniscalco

2:23:20PM I'll start. A couple of observations through this journey. I saw a presentation, I don't know if it was Mr. Bhide or Mr. Campbell, but there was a slide that was up here that had a report that was done by the City of Tampa in like 1983, 1987 -- I remember '83 but two from the '80s. I think it was specific to maybe Palma Ceia Pines and how, like you said, this is a bowl and the water has nowhere to go. Are you familiar with that? Do you recall that? I'm just going by memory.

Brad Baird

2:23:57PM I recall a slide this week that the business alliance showed where the study started in 1983 with post buckley schuh and jernigan. Is that what you're referring to?

Guido Maniscalco

2:24:07PM Maybe. Saw it at a City Council meeting. Maybe somebody from the public that had shown it. So the city has known that this area floods. And for 40 something years it's continued allowing building for the sake of making money. Not on the city's part. You can't stop the construction. I've mentioned this before. I went to school at the school that I think it's closed, right there on swann and Howard. Used to be st. Johns creek orthodox. When I was in school in the '90s, the access off Armenia going to swann into Parkland Estates was open. Now it's closed and you can see the ornamentation. Did that have any effect closing that entrance where the water flows? This is going back to the '90s. Did that create any issue with anything?

Brad Baird

2:25:01PM Not to my knowledge. I don't know if Brandon has any more on that, but not to my knowledge.

Guido Maniscalco

2:25:08PM Okay. Because I remember during heavy rains when I was a student there, which was '92 to '98, we had a football field where we would have p.e., phys ed. When it would rain it would fill like a lake but it went down. What I don't remember is the area around it flooding. I asked my mother yesterday, when you took me to school 30 years ago, did that area ever flood? She said, no. Henderson and dale mabry, everybody remembers. The question I'm getting to is fast-forward to, I got here in the spring of 2015, in 2015, we had major flooding everywhere. When did the flooding in Parkland Estates start? Has it been going on forever or was it 2015? I see a lot of photos and heard from the public, 2015. Has it always been a thing or something that is 11 years old?

Brad Baird

2:26:07PM Great question. If I could unpack that. I am told that flooding in those two neighborhoods has happened since the 1960s. In Parkland Estates much worse than Palma Ceia Pines. However, since that time, obviously, there has been a lot of impervious parking lots, residences built, businesses built that add to that runoff, right? They are required by code to retain the first half inch of rain, right? Obviously, these storms, just the last three that we've seen, are more than a half an inch. That additional to the half inch is going to result in more flooding, yes. I do want to say one more thing. Because there have been a lot of questions about this project morphing over the years or changing over the years, it has. It started out as a Parkland Estates stormwater relief project. Parkland Estates stormwater relief project. I can get you the exact time when that was identified. I think it's 11 years ago. Then I mentioned the smaller yellow dots. At the south part of South Howard on hills and two other streets, we received flooding complaints. Those can be tied in in the future. Obviously, we don't have the funding for that right now. So that would be a future assessment increase that we could tie those in. Between the six small dots and original Parkland Estates, that's how this project came to be.

Guido Maniscalco

2:28:02PM The project, if it is approved on this current schedule and looking at the construction schedule which you'll get to, the project begins at Bayshore and Howard and starts working its way up north. I see here West Swann Avenue intersection October 2029, Parkland Estates May 2030 and then substantial completion. Between October and September of 29 to 30 is when we're getting to the bulk of it. What happens to the neighborhoods from now until then? They just continue to flood for the next three years?

Brad Baird

2:28:38PM Yes, but we tie in immediately adjacent to Howard as we move north. As we move north, we tie in those existing --

Guido Maniscalco

2:28:53PM Existing water with heavy afternoon storm really has nowhere to go until we get up that meeting point, let's say Howard and swann. The AMI pond and everything existing there, zom pond and all that have we dredged it, cleaned it, made sure that the system is completely clear? Because, of course, it rained last Sunday or the Sunday before. It's been pretty bad. It does flood, as we've seen in pictures. The water eventually goes somewhere. Why is it slow moving because it's such a fast amount of rainfall or do we have blockages in the entire system? The water is eventually going to go away. It's not going to evaporate. It's going to flow out. What's the issue there.

Brandon Campbell

2:29:38PM Brandon Campbell, mobility director. A couple of things in response to your comments. Let me first go back to, you asked about the intersection of parkland boulevard and swann and the closure of that. We do have inlets there. Any impact to the stormwater system is negligible from that closure. So just wanted to make sure that we closed that loop. With respect to the AMI pond, we had it surveyed and compared it to the as-builts and not a current need for it to be dredged. It is at the elevation that said it would be. As brad mentioned, that pump is still continuing to work. We have our SCADA reports that show, he said I think 177 times the two pumps had been activated over the last 90 days. We know that in itself it covers the last four flood events mentioned in public comments today and gotten some additional attention. There are some pipes in there. It's not much. There's not really a spine down Howard which is, of course, what we're looking at now. The route that the business alliance proposed has some small pipes. Those are undersized. There is some drainage that goes through those pipes. There are pathways for the water to go. Of course, some of it soaks into the ground as well where it's on a pervious surface. But it's under capacity. That's why we need to build additional capacity. That's what the target of this project is.

Guido Maniscalco

2:31:13PM Last question. May 2028 on the schedule, the CSX crossing that has an existing box culvert, right?

2:31:22PM I know CSX, it is complicated to negotiate and talk with them. What did I hear earlier today regarding the need to, was it close off that track there? How long was it, four to six weeks.

2:31:36PM Do we have permission?

Brad Baird

2:31:37PM We do not. That's why in the GMP that is not included in the GMP. Right now in the GMP, we have a 72-inch microtunnel with a 60-inch carrier pipe that will sister up with the existing five by ten box culvert to provide that flow. The problem with that is you have to build two massive structures on either side to tie it back into the ten by ten box.

Guido Maniscalco

2:32:12PM Will we be taking a ten by ten culvert to five by ten.

Brad Baird

2:32:17PM Five by ten and 60 inches that we'll be drilling microtunnel.

Guido Maniscalco

2:32:24PM That won't create a bottleneck, gravity system, flow of water so intense, by the time it hits the CSX track, it will start backing up?

Brad Baird

2:32:33PM A slight bottleneck, yes. Obviously a five by ten culvert is 50 square feet, ten by ten is a hundred square feet. So that's half. And then the 60-inch interceptor would provide additional square feet. The way it's proposed now in the GMP is a bottleneck. However, and the reason we haven't touted this as a solution is because we have not started meeting with top brass of CSX, and that is going to take some months to do that. But the proposal would be to close those tracks for four to six weeks, handle the delivery of the one person that's at the end of the spur, the one business that would need deliveries, kimmins would handle those deliveries with trucks. And if CSX were to give us the approval to close it for four to six weeks, we would then build a 10 by 10 box under -- or through CSX tracks in return for providing them brand-new tracks and new control panels, new arms, and then reopen it. Therefore, there would not be a bottleneck. Now, we don't know if CSX would be amenable to that. So that's why that's not in the GMP. One last thing. Really, really preliminary estimates say that -- because that right now is $6 million for that microtunnel and two structures. It's not quite 6 million. But we could -- we estimate that we could save $3 million, I know the person who spoke here earlier said that would cost more money. That's not true.

Guido Maniscalco

2:34:28PM The water eventually will then dump out at Bayshore.

Brad Baird

2:34:33PM Bayshore. Just that section would also be a ten by ten.

Guido Maniscalco

2:34:37PM If you live in Tampa you know that during heavy storms Bayshore will flood and the water will come over. If it's high tide and we have a situation like that, based on the gravity system, is the water pressure flowing down at whatever elevation you had shown 18 feet or 19, is that enough pressure that it will push the water into the bay or will the system back up? You can do the analogy if you have a hose and you put it in a swimming pool, you can feel the water coming out. But enough pressure in a system like this where the water will come out or just back up and stay in the neighborhood until it's low tide and flows out naturally? What happens there?

Brad Baird

2:35:21PM If I could get cttv to pull up the slide. Thank you. Again, we have 16 feet of fall from the bottom of the bowls all the way to the bay on a mean tide, right? If that 10 by 10 box is flowing full on our design storm it will flow full, again, that 7 feet per second, it will not preclude that flow from happening. It will only reduce it 7%. So it doesn't back it up at all. You still have 93% of that flow going to the bay.

Guido Maniscalco

2:36:06PM Will there be pumps or this is just the natural --

Brad Baird

2:36:10PM No, this is gravity.

Guido Maniscalco

2:36:12PM There's no backup just in case the water pressure is so much, has nowhere to go.

Brad Baird

2:36:18PM Right. If it's flowing full, it's essentially acting as a pressure pipe.

Guido Maniscalco

2:36:23PM Thank you very much.

Brad Baird

2:36:25PM You're welcome.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:28PM Councilwoman Young followed by Miranda.

Naya Young

2:36:32PM Hello. A few questions. I'll try to stay in order. For the first, total cost of 2026 versus -- January versus where we are now and you said the jump in the price was because we added the business assistance team and larger pipes. Is that correct?

Brad Baird

2:36:59PM That was the second issue. But the main issue was the extension of the Bayshore triple box culvert. That was the 2.3 million. The business assistance, of course, is over the length of the project, which is three years and ten months.

Naya Young

2:37:21PM Okay. Now for the next slide when you had flooding solution, and you had mentioned, you said -- could you put that map up? I think it is the second slide where it says flooding solution. Yes. Okay. So if we draw a line right where you see hca Florida, South Tampa hospital, so at the top, you have Palma Ceia Pines. At the bottom you see we have Parkland Estates. Per your legend where the green is, it says future phase storm sewers. It's mainly in the Palma Ceia Pines area. So when you say future phased storm sewers, is that a part of like if this, you know, project is approved, are you going to start working where the green is or is that for the future?

Brad Baird

2:38:35PM That is for the future. Again, there is an existing undersized system there with 12-inch and 18-inch pipes. That's why phase one provides significant relief for Palma Ceia Pines now. The future phase two is to up size those 12-inch and 18-inch pipes, and that would be a future improvement assessment increase.

Naya Young

2:39:04PM Is the future phase storm sewer, is that something you feel it needs to be, like it has to be done? Or do you think what's going to happen in phase one will be significant enough?

Brad Baird

2:39:20PM It needs to be done in the future to fully realize all flooding that's happening in the streets for our design storm. In other words, phase one, it solves the structural flooding in those two neighborhoods and it reduces significantly the roadway flooding. Upsizing those pipes in a future phase, one, can be done piece meal. It doesn't have to be done all at once. We can take the worst of the worst and do those first. And, but, two, that would solve all the flooding in Palma Ceia Pines.

Naya Young

2:40:02PM When we say future, how far out are you thinking?

Brad Baird

2:40:07PM It would be after we finish our watershed master plan that's ongoing right now. And then that decision would come back to City Council as to what projects are in that plan. Obviously, Palma Ceia Pines would be included, right? And how much we want to increase that improvement assessment to cover those projects. In other words, we'll have a list of projects. How far down the list do you want to go to draw the line?

Naya Young

2:40:39PM You said when you're finished with the watershed master plan, do you know when you finish with that?

Brandon Campbell

2:40:47PM Yuan, did you want to speak to that?

Yuan Li

2:40:54PM Yuan Li, stormwater services director. We are currently at midpoint of watershed master plan. But as far as South Howard flooding relief project, because it's currently ongoing, the Planning effort is being done already for the future phases in Palma Ceia Pines. If this one is moving forward, when the construction started, we can start the design work for the north portion, future phases of Palma Ceia Pines. Not necessarily we have to wait until the master plan is being done. We can potentially save some time when the construction of phase one is going to think, we can move forward with design future work for the Palma Ceia Pines portion.

Naya Young

2:41:51PM We don't really have like a time frame for the future.

2:42:01PM Do you know how much it would be? Do you have an idea?

Yuan Li

2:42:04PM We discussing internally. We can do design-build contract or we can even use our internal staff. It's -- 20 some million dollars to 40 some million dollars, in that range.

Naya Young

2:42:25PM But what you're saying is with phase one, we're already going to see some significant flood relief. So if this future phase storm sewer let's say not completed in ten years, it would be okay.

Brandon Campbell

2:42:43PM I can speak to that briefly. The video that brad showed of the duration of the storm, that model, shows what we would expect with just what we're building with this particular GMP. Reduced duration of street flooding, reduced severity of the flooding that actually gets into the structures, that's all phase one. When it comes to potential additional future storm laterals, future phases, we can choose what we want to do when based on specific impact of those specific types. Brad mentioned we don't necessarily have to build those all at once. We may even be able to do some of those with in-house construction team. I don't know that just yet. We also, as yuan mentioned, we can work on design through this process of constructing phase one. We don't have to skip a beat on it. We just have not programmed a construction effort for these additional future phases.

Naya Young

2:43:56PM For the CSX, the cost, I don't know if I missed it or not, was there a cost to us if we get that permission to do that, to close that for four to six weeks.

Brad Baird

2:44:09PM Not a cost to get the permission. Like I said, it's close to 6 million the way we have it in the GMP now. Very, very preliminary estimates show we can save in the $3 million range to do that. That's what we plan on doing later this year or early next year if this is approved, we would start those discussions with CSX.

Brandon Campbell

2:44:40PM If I can add to the discussion on the CSX, the two-pipe solution is what is in the guaranteed maximum price. It's what is modeled in everything that we have presented to you all. If we're able to do a ten by ten box there instead, it would only be because it is a cheaper solution, an improvement on the current design, and that we get that permission from CSX. It's only a benefit. If we cannot work that out because CSX does not give us the permission to do so or if for whatever reason we decide, hey, this isn't the cost savings that we thought it was going to be, I can't quite imagine why that would be, but if we came into that scenario and said, hey, that actually is not the benefit that we thought it was going to be, this two-pipe solution that is in the guaranteed maximum price will work. I just want to make sure it's clear. It may not the be the absolute best in terms of how it flows, but it works, and it is exactly what we need and what we have modeled and designed for.

Naya Young

2:45:51PM Okay. I have other questions, but I'll wait.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:54PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:45:54PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You know, I sit here and keep listening and listening. I try to realize how and when and where. What are the size of the pipes you have there now?

Brad Baird

2:46:05PM For the -- oh, what size do we have --

Charlie Miranda

2:46:08PM Just the pipes you have underground.

Brad Baird

2:46:14PM Going north, south?

Charlie Miranda

2:46:16PM Mr. Maniscalco stated 30 years ago he was in school, I don't think he's that old anyway, but number one when he stated, my mind started working, what was the population then, population 50 years ago. How much concrete have you laid down from the expressway this way south? Water does not flow north. Only in the st. Johns river. We're not near the st. Johns river and we have a problem. The problem is we created our own damn problem. When you look at the houses around that neighborhood, how many building permits do you have in Parkland Estates? I would say very few. How many in Palma Ceia Pines? Awful lot more. I was here then. I understand what's happening. Population wasn't what it is today. You have 30 years, 60 years of growth that wasn't anticipated when you built the pipes hundred years ago, 50 years ago, 80 years ago. The ones in office did it because it was right at that time because the pipes or the flow was adequate. However, the population has changed in the last 30 years in Tampa, and it's going to change continually in Tampa. And back in the '70s, I could drive the streets here in downtown Tampa not even looking where I was going, zigzagging from north, east, south and never hit a human or a car. I couldn't even hit a streetcar because they were taken out. It's also changed here in traffic. It is changing their water. Why? Called success. People came down because they love the sunshine. We only have two seasons in Florida -- summer and Christmas. That's why they come down. That's realistic about it. What I'm saying, and these things, at the time that the pipes were put in met the population it needed for the cause. That is gone. We also have a lot more coming with nature, like I said, nature, we had treated it like a stepchild and now it's getting even with us. You have to understand where we're at, all of us. The cost is expensive but what is the cost if you don't do it?

Brad Baird

2:48:45PM Yes. So to answer your question on pipe sizes, there's at least five different size pipes that I know of, and I'm sure probably a couple more, that either go south and end up at rubido and Bayshore or go west through the cleveland system I mentioned earlier. 36-inch diameter circular. Elliptical pipe, little larger pipe in the cleveland system, all of which are seriously undersized as opposed to what we need to move for the design storm.

Charlie Miranda

2:49:23PM I'll close by saying this. I live by myself. If I had my family with me, my chances of having a backup in the sink or the toilet would be five times greater than it is now because there's only one there, not five people there. It's the same thing. Use basic logic, enforce it and think how it got to where it is. That's all I'll say.

Alan Clendenin

2:49:53PM You need to eat less fiber.

Brad Baird

2:49:55PM Chairman, if I may, I still have ten slides.

Alan Clendenin

2:49:59PM Let's finish this line of questioning, please. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

2:50:04PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Quick question. I hear a lot in social media allegations, et cetera, that this project is going to eat up all of our stormwater funds. How do you all respond to that? Including from the 2016 assessment.

Dennis Rogero

2:50:26PM Dennis Rogero, chief financial officer. I have heard those, too, a couple of remarks before I put on what I think will be a helpful visual aid. This assessment in the last decade has collected about $130 million. We anticipate over the next 20 years it's going to collect another $360 million. That's a 30-year span of almost half a billion dollars. Let me find the slide. It's a little sooner than I anticipated.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:02PM If this goes into future slides, we'll say hold off.

Luis Viera

2:51:08PM I have no objection. Yeah, I can wait.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:15PM Questioning now just the engineering part. I've got a few questions.

Luis Viera

2:51:23PM With regards to engineering I guess if you will we're -- so we hear -- pardon me. I got back from Missouri last night like at 11:30, so I'm tired. But we hear about immediate fixes versus long-term fixes. This project, if approved, you're looking at about a four-year timeline, correct? It's about a four-year timeline, correct?

Brad Baird

2:51:50PM Before my time here.

Luis Viera

2:51:53PM No, no. this project here, we're talking about a four-year time line.

Brad Baird

2:52:01PM Yes. In earnest the last 11 years. Yes, the first study done in 1983.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:06PM He's talking about start of project to completion of project. First put a shovel in the ground and when done.

Brad Baird

2:52:14PM Three years and ten months.

Luis Viera

2:52:16PM About four years or so. Is there any quicker fix than this to what's happening in Palma Ceia Pines and Parkland Estates? There is no quicker fix, correct, from what I hear?

Brad Baird

2:52:30PM No. all the other alternatives, and I'll get to that in another slide. All the other alternatives there that are looked at could get there quicker, however they don't move the water that needs to be moved.

Luis Viera

2:52:48PM I'll save everything for afterwards. Thank you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:50PM Trying to restrict it to just what we're talking about here, the CSX culvert, maybe I misunderstood between the presentation you provided and the information that Brandon just discussed, the CSX culvert existing condition, that is what's included in the GMP. Is that what I'm hearing?

Brandon Campbell

2:53:15PM Yes. If cttv could put up the slide that's actually on this computer here, so you can see the purple line that's under CSX that is sort of in the middle of the page, that is the existing 5 by 10 box culvert under CSX. Because it is a 5 by 10 box and building a 10 by 10 along the corridor it needs additional capacity. To achieve that, the plan that we know that we can accomplish is to add the sistered pipe that brad mentioned that's here in red. Now, there is a possibility that if we are able to get that permission from CSX, we could actually build the 10 by 10 all the way through. That would be a value add and it would be a cost deduct. But as shown, this is what's designed. This is what has been modeled for. This is what we know will work and that we can accomplish.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:14PM Let me understand. Right now there is a 5 by 5 -- sorry -- 5 by 10, 50% of what we anticipate putting in for the rest of the project, burying underneath the ground. The 60-inch pipe you're referring to, is that included in the hundred million 441,000.

Brandon Campbell

2:54:36PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:37PM Using the existing five by ten, adding a 60-inch pipe is included in the proposed GMP.

Brandon Campbell

2:54:45PM Correct.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:46PM Can we put a 60-inch pipe underneath CSX tracks without their permission?

Brandon Campbell

2:54:51PM Not without their permission.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:56PM Let me preface -- let me say this and you guys answer my accusations. How in the world did we get to august whatever it is -- what is the date, September whatever -- September 3, 2026, without having these discussions with CSX?

Brad Baird

2:55:18PM We have had discussions with CSX staff, and this is what is approved by staff. Again, it is a 72-inch microtunnel that is a casing pipe essentially and a carrier pipe is 60-inch.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:34PM We do have permission to go underneath their tracks.

Brad Baird

2:55:38PM We don't have a permit or permission in writing from CSX. We don't have a permit for that.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:47PM We either do or we don't.

Brad Baird

2:55:49PM At this time.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:49PM Either we do.

Brad Baird

2:55:51PM That crossing is still --

Alan Clendenin

2:55:54PM Brad, if I'm hearing you correctly, all we can count on is the 5 by 10.

Brad Baird

2:56:01PM No.

Alan Clendenin

2:56:01PM So when you come to us in two weeks, all we can count on is what is currently there, which is the 5 by 10 which cuts water flow in half.

Yuan Li

2:56:10PM Yuan Li stormwater services director. We discussed with CSX in the earlier stage of this project and the best-case scenario, they are open to the open cut. But the worst case is going to be trenchless. As we are currently putting our GMP together. Similarly, we have the Southeast Seminole Heights, we have a similar situation. We apply for the permit and we were granted with permit with no -- so it is in the discussions right now. We have the coordination meeting with CSX.

Alan Clendenin

2:56:51PM This is something that I'll have to have you guys come back with something more firm, at least for me, one out of seven. I really want to provide flood relief to the neighborhoods. I really, really want to. I want to strongly get to yes on this. I always said that I felt like the engineering was good. Had problems getting to the cost benefit ratio and getting dangerously close to 1.0. If we start adding money with change orders or increased expenses for this culvert, we could end up breaking that 1.0 CRA. Before we vote on a contract of $100 million, we need to have -- we need to make sure that we know what we're voting on. I think injecting this variable is really problematic, not knowing for sure of what the engineering will be crossing underneath those tracks.

Brad Baird

2:57:57PM Let kimmins speak in a second. CSX in my experience, CSX permitting takes nine months -- six months minimum, but nine months to a year to obtain. We're well over a year before we get to the CSX portion.

Alan Clendenin

2:58:11PM Yeah, but I have to sign a contract.

Brad Baird

2:58:15PM That is typical with every CSX crossing, as part of every project we've done in the last 40 years. You can't get your permit until you are far enough along in the design to submit a permit.

Alan Clendenin

2:58:32PM But it seems like, again -- maybe this is just blowing my mind. Again, I've been such a fan of the engineering of this and I firmly bought in that this is a project that's going to be able to move the volume of water. We need to move with a gravity system. We've had that private conversation. I've been good with the engineering, but that's under the understanding that we have the capacity to move it all the way to the Bayshore outfall. If there's even a variable, if there's any doubt whatsoever, even if it is the smallest amount of doubt that we're not going to be able to have the same -- because part of the inconvenience that will be caused on South Howard was the upsizing, which I support. The upsizing of the culverts to move that volume of water. But if there's even this much doubt that we'll have to funnel it through a smaller hole, then maybe we're not going to realize the return on digging this massive canyon to put gigantic culverts in if we funnel it out. My opinion, just one person, my opinion, we've got to close that doubt of what's going to happen with CSX. Let me see if I can help you. Kind of feel like the chicken and the egg. D.o.t. Has a design standard similar to F.D.O.T. Run across under tracks, this is the parameters, what you have to do. We've met those parameters. They won't review our permit application until we pay them money to do the permit review. Our design is ready to go to them once we get approval for the project, then we can pay I think $25,000 they want to do their permit review. But we meet all their design criteria that they show us. They'll have us do things, groundwater analysis, soil analysis, they want to make sure their track is not going to shift during the crossing. But we meet all the criteria for them to issue a permit. They can't legally not issue a permit. They can make it difficult, which they intend to do. It took us nine months on Harbour Island force main to get a permit from CSX, but we got it. Our design meets all of their design criteria. Talked to them on the phone. They tell us once you get the application fee in with the money, then we start the review process and that will trigger soil borings, groundwater analysis, track settlement and those type of things.

3:01:06PM I hear what you're saying. If there's even within the universe that the answer could be no, it's a hundred million dollars. Issue a permit. They make it difficult from time to time.

3:01:25PM Why not spend that money, go for the permit and come back and ask us for the contract?

3:01:38PM Why didn't we do that nine months ago? Hand --

3:01:45PM It's a big gamble. Even if it is a small chance they say no, hundred million dollars is a lot of money to gamble with.

Lynn Hurtak

3:01:53PM Can I put it in perspective for you? The Southeast Seminole Heights stormwater project is unfortunately near and dear to my heart. And they had to go under i-275. So same thing. They had to wait and get permits.

Alan Clendenin

3:02:11PM [Inaudible]

Lynn Hurtak

3:02:12PM Yeah. It's one of those things that, I mean, obviously you sit on the tpo. You know how impossible it is -- well, you weren't there when we were really fighting to get CSX talk to us about the tracks with -- we have fought. CSX is difficult. I know this is very similar to what we had to do for 275 because they didn't close down 275. They went under it. It was wild. It was very fascinating to watch because quite a few of my neighbors couldn't get to their houses. Obviously it wasn't a kimmins project but it was a huge problem that nelson had to deal with. But it went under the interstate. No one on the interstate got -- like no traffic stopped, but we still had to get F.D.O.T. Approval to do it.

Alan Clendenin

3:03:02PM I hear what you're saying again. Maybe because this is coming as a surprise to me and I don't like surprises. Not something I was briefed on or understood. We'll pivot from that, off line conversation. I have about a hundred thousand more questions referencing this issue. Never fail to get a permit from CSX on any projects.

3:03:27PM I use not to go to hard rock. I'm not a gambler. I don't like losing money. I hate losing money. I have a couple of other questions.

Brad Baird

3:03:37PM If I could answer a question that went unanswered a minute ago. You said why didn't we start this nine months ago?

Alan Clendenin

3:03:46PM CSX.

Brad Baird

3:03:47PM CSX. We can't. Because CSX will not accept a 30% design for a permit application. You have to be much further along to submit that application. And in addition to that, so once we finally get to the point where the design is further or far enough along to submit and we delay by months past the 90 day window from July 24, which is when the GMP was submitted, subcontractors may not hold their prices and prices go up. I want to make that point.

Alan Clendenin

3:04:28PM I understand the risk there as well. Just a couple of other questions and really just a couple. The potential of change orders. So this is a gross maximum price. Again, we're getting really close to that ratio. I heard during the public discussions this morning about core samples and shoring up walls of constructing this culvert. Is the shoring up of these walls included in the GMP or potential of a change order that could come through because you hit solid rock and not able to sink those shore structures?

Brad Baird

3:05:09PM I'll let John address that. Our price includes the shoring. We are using a trench box. Same trench box used on upper peninsula and lower peninsula. I was a little confused this morning when they said we couldn't use a trench box.

Alan Clendenin

3:05:28PM If you start tomorrow, the hypothetical day of starting and you dig on South Howard and you hit solid rock and you're not able to use the technology, will that involve a cost escalation and change order because you didn't anticipate that in your GMP? Takes.

3:05:50PM Whatever it takes to dig the trench to install the culverts. How many hours a day are you guys going to work?

Well, typically we'll run 7, 7

3:06:01PM 30 until 3:30, 4. I have a couple of business owners along the route that asked us to work different hours, maybe involve some night work to facilitate. Typical Monday to Friday, 7, 7:30 to 4:30.

Alan Clendenin

3:06:18PM I'm violating my own thing about going beyond what we just talked about. Because of the business mitigation aspect of this, have you guys incorporated into your GMP escalated work schedule on the South Howard business portion so even like a 24/7 schedule to be able to expedite and minimize the business interruptions? Owners, if we do 24/7, we do 24/7.

3:06:53PM Would that include a change order or cost escalation?

3:06:57PM I think that's all I had. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

3:07:06PM Brad, I want to ask you a few questions. One of the things that is circulating still despite the fact that Vik and others have explained this the idea that council has somehow delayed this project. As I recall, we delayed for two weeks a funding request a year or two ago, but as I recall, the idea for the GMP was that it was supposed to be available in October and now it's September. It seems to be early instead of late. Just for the record, are there other council delays that I'm aware of or are we just -- to my knowledge, council has never voted against anything on this. Is there anything that council delayed?

Brad Baird

3:07:57PM I don't believe so. Brad Baird, administrator.

Bill Carlson

3:08:01PM Anybody in the mayor's office or in the neighborhood who keeps saying council has somehow delayed this, please stop because they just said on the record that it's not. The other thing is we hear this has been discussed 10 years, 11 years. Who was it that discussed it 10 years ago because I wasn't on council then? Who was it that was discussing this? Was this a plan started 10, 11 years ago or just a casual discussion somebody had with the community?

Brad Baird

3:08:29PM Yes. We're referring to internal. Because the stormwater improvement assessment was approved in 2016. It was first floated in 2015 where it was not approved. And so prior to that, of course, we're working on project list, where our needs are, where the consequences of failure are throughout the city. Many more criteria were put into that.

Bill Carlson

3:08:54PM You had a whole list of priorities. Was this project promised to anybody in the neighborhood in 2015 or 2016? Do you remember?

Brad Baird

3:09:06PM I don't know promise. Remember what I said earlier, it started out as Parkland Estates project and we did have six small yellow dots at the bottom, at the lower end of Howard Avenue that were flooding complaints adjacent to Howard Avenue. And over those 11 years combine to this project.

Bill Carlson

3:09:28PM Do you think -- did parkland have any greater expectation over anybody else on the list that their neighborhood would be prioritized over all the other lists of all the other neighborhoods that flooded?

Brad Baird

3:09:39PM Whether they had expectations that this would go first or -- I don't think so.

Bill Carlson

3:09:45PM If somebody says that this city or City Council has been delaying this for 10 or 11 years, would that be accurate or is it just they happen to be on the list 10 or 11 years ago?

Brad Baird

3:09:55PM I don't believe so.

Bill Carlson

3:09:56PM Was this project on the table 10, 11 years ago? I wasn't on council then, I don't know. Did somebody delay it 10 or 11 years ago or on a list with everybody else?

Brad Baird

3:10:09PM We certainly had complaints in Parkland Estates, no doubt. 11 years ago, 15 years ago. We had complaints on South Howard.

Bill Carlson

3:10:19PM There's five places just in my neighborhood that flooded in the same hurricanes and people lost their houses. The mayor has not gone to visit those folks. The political director from the mayor's office has not gone to visit them. PR people have not gone to visit them. The lawyers and the engineers from the city haven't gone to visit them. There were more than 2,000 families that had serious effects to their houses. For some reason, the mayor's office and all the staff seem not to be worried about all the other folks. This is the problem that we represent people throughout the city and we want to find solutions for this neighborhood, but why is it that the mayor's office is only spending their time on one or two neighborhoods instead of the other 20 or so neighborhoods just in South Tampa that flooded not to mention East Tampa and North Tampa.

Brad Baird

3:11:09PM I would categorize those as smaller projects which we have done some in South Tampa.

Bill Carlson

3:11:19PM -- water in their houses, pictures and videos are similar. Water came all the way down the street. Near concord, whole neighborhood wiped out by several feet of water. Other than a little maintenance, they are not on a list that has any hope of any kind of long-term solution, correct?

Brad Baird

3:11:41PM I know the southeast part of Bayshore Beautiful had serious flooding in helene. That was mostly storm surge, as you know. Let me jump back to the original plan back in 2015 and 2016. Our chief engineer at the time prioritized those large dots and those small dots. I keep referring to those. We had five large dots, about a hundred small dots. One of the large dots was actually not a very large project. It was only $5 million. But the other four were large projects. So he prioritized those, and that's the order we did them.

Bill Carlson

3:12:24PM Before they cut me off, I appreciate the detail when was the first time that a configuration down Howard came up on the plan? Is that idea ten years ago? I have data going back to the '80s that shows that other recommendations were made.

Yuan Li

3:12:46PM Yuan Li, stormwater services director. The South Howard project was fully ready around I would say after 2017. And brad mentioned about -- in fact, we have targeted fix at 6 projects previously that was in part of our quarterly report.

Bill Carlson

3:13:17PM The route, this is just identifying a problem area. But the idea of putting a culvert or some kind of massive structure down Howard, when was the first time that was proposed?

Yuan Li

3:13:28PM I think around 2020. 2019, 2020.

Bill Carlson

3:13:35PM City has been ignoring this for ten years, that's not true either. It's only at most been presented for six years, would that be correct?

Yuan Li

3:13:43PM We spent about $1.5 million on the six targeted fix in the area but was not -- the results, we didn't see much. We still see the flooding happening during those regular summer storm. That's why we figured we need a larger scale regional project to be able to build a trunk line so that we can tie the local system into the trunk line and send the water to the bay. That's where the South Howard project was developed.

Bill Carlson

3:14:17PM Thank you. Let me ask a couple of other questions. So knowing that the topography of this has been known at least since the '80s, that's the oldest documents I have, somehow houses were built in there. In the '80s, there was a recommendation by engineers, we say we trust engineers, but there were recommendations by engineers on the corner, I think it was horatio and habana, which is one of the worst, there was a recommendation by the engineers to build a retention pond there. Instead now we have townhomes there. Do you all know how that was allowed? Was there any way that the city, again, I was not on council back then, but was there any way the city could have stopped or told people? Same thing happened on knights, by the way, and Bayshore Beautiful, where an exception was given to allow five houses go into what was essentially retention pond. They all got flooded in the same storms. How did the city allow houses and townhomes to be built in places that engineers already identified were flood zones because of the bowls?

Yuan Li

3:15:20PM In fact, part of the retention system that was recommended as part of the cleveland study. Since then, I think the original study, you heard many times, including council member mentioned late 1980s, originally studied by pbsj. Multiple studies have been conducted since then. One of the recommendations was retention, detention system. AMI pond is part of that. AMI pond was built around 1990.

Bill Carlson

3:16:02PM Can I ask another question related to that? In Parkland Estates, I'm told that there are houses that had been built just in the last few years that have very little permeable space and they are required to put culverts underneath. Would somebody have a reasonable expectation that an area would flood if required to build culverts underneath a house?

Yuan Li

3:16:26PM That's part of the construction review.

Bill Carlson

3:16:29PM Why wouldn't the city have required to have more permeable area? Some houses are now considering putting walls so that the flood will bounce off their walls and go into their neighbors' yards. Will that be allowed by the city? Wouldn't that exacerbate the flooding problems?

Yuan Li

3:16:47PM That's a very good question. That's part of the citywide watershed master plan. We are Planning to revisit our technical manual.

Bill Carlson

3:16:57PM You mentioned AMI pond. When Jean Duncan was here, she showed an elevation. I tried to find it just now and couldn't. At the corner of I think habana and horatio, the elevation is lower than the AMI pond. How does the water get into the AMI pond? When jean testified before, she said there will be minor flooding within the houses. If the flooding goes four inches instead of 18, people still have to replace their drywall and floor and furniture that gets hit. Isn't that still a concern of how we deal with the bottom of the bowl in Palma Ceia Pines because the AMI pond is high elevation?

Yuan Li

3:17:37PM We do have existing drainage system connecting to the AMI pond. The existing drainage system.

Bill Carlson

3:17:48PM How does it go up hill? Talked about water goes down hill. How does it go up hill in the pond?

Yuan Li

3:17:57PM By gravity. Sheet flow.

Bill Carlson

3:18:03PM How does it go up? I don't understand that. If the elevation of the corner of horatio and habana is lower than the AMI pond, how does the water get up into the AMI pond?

Yuan Li

3:18:16PM That's why the ponding is starting in that lower -- the lowest point.

Bill Carlson

3:18:23PM Someone this morning mentioned the jewish retirement center. I was the first person from the city in Palma Ceia Pines after the storm. I called vick Bhide and chief of staff from my car. I toured the houses and asked the city folks to get on it and they did. But as neighbors were driving around, one of the things we saw, it appeared the pump station in front of the jewish retirement center was not working. It looked like it took maybe several weeks for it to be repaired. Do you have data that says it actually was working because it seemed not to be working?

Yuan Li

3:18:54PM We do have records showing during the hurricane in 2024, the AMI pond pump station was working. We do have record.

Bill Carlson

3:19:03PM Also, just for the record, there was debris everywhere from helene. The ditches had not been dredged out which, of course, wouldn't have captured all the water but it would have captured some. And then there was debris from helene. Also, you talked about the alternatives. I've had engineers look at the alternatives analysis. You all say you looked at 24, but it seems to be a very supervision, experts say superficial alternatives analysis. Usually scientific method, you start by identifying the problem, then a big alternatives analysis and narrow it down. In this case, it appears the alternatives analysis was halfhearted and only done after the fact because somebody wants this to go down Howard. I don't understand why. Why was a thorough alternatives process not done earlier in the process?

Yuan Li

3:19:53PM Study done in 2022, they evaluate about 20 alternatives. They treated every single alternative the same. I do have a map.

Bill Carlson

3:20:06PM I've read through that and many other folks have read through it. It seems to be not very -- you know, if somebody is given a brief, they end up with what they are asked to do. While you're at it, one of the big questions, now in the alternatives analysis that we were presented more recently, Vik Bhide testified that the main reason this alternative was chosen was because we could use the existing drainage underneath CSX and at Bayshore. Now we find we can't use either one. Why wouldn't we go back and redo the alternatives analysis to do a more thorough alternatives analysis and look into the fact that the main reason this route was chosen is no longer valid?

Yuan Li

3:20:53PM Besides we do have existing box culvert that we can save the time and the money, but also there are several other reasons. This alternative has no utility conflict. Many other alternatives -- there are many possibility that we have conflict. Why some people propose the water -- we do not have utility conflict. Also we have wide enough right-of-way by the city, so we don't have to acquire additional easement or properties. Also, I think another way, another thing -- brad.

Brad Baird

3:21:40PM On --

Bill Carlson

3:21:41PM Not asking for alternatives analysis now. Considering the primary reason this one was chosen, those two were available. Seems invalid now and should relook at the alternatives analysis. While talking about Bayshore --

Brad Baird

3:21:53PM If I could, councilman, answer that question. Brad Baird, administrator. The 5 by 10 box that's in there now is in good shape. It can be used. It is the alternative that's in the GMP. It's in good shape. It will be used if CSX does not allow us to put an open cut. It will be used. It's in good shape.

Bill Carlson

3:22:20PM And then run into the bottleneck like you talked about earlier. The outfall at Bayshore. On coachman, the coachman area, another bowl, there was a pump, the helene pump was pumping water out. Pump did not fail. Backup generator did not fail but the pump did not have enough force to push the water out when the storm surge hit it. How is it that a pump cannot push the water out during storm surge but somehow gravity is going to allow this to go down? Did you look at the pressure of an eight foot storm surge compared to the gravity of this going down? Doesn't seem like it would only affect it 7 or 10 percent.

Brad Baird

3:23:07PM We did model the condition where the bay was at 8 feet during hurricane helene. It only reduced the flow from 650 cubic feet to 600. It would have flowed during helene very well.

Bill Carlson

3:23:25PM Why didn't the pump work?

Brad Baird

3:23:27PM The pump, as far as I know and I can get back with you on that, it pumped just fine to the bay.

Bill Carlson

3:23:35PM Why was there flooding then? It should have alleviated the flooding if it was still working. It was running, backup generator was running, but couldn't push out because of the pressure?

Brad Baird

3:23:48PM Because it was a hundred-year storm and it was eight feet high.

Bill Carlson

3:23:54PM Several folks mentioned the cleveland outfall. Don't we have to replace the cleveland outfall anyway and repair it? How do we leave the cleveland outfall with breaks in it that potentially flood neighborhoods?

Brandon Campbell

3:24:11PM I don't know of any breaks in the cleveland outfall. The reason cleveland was not used for this project or not planned to be used for this project, it is a three-mile length from the AMI pond to cleveland, and it's currently undersize.

Bill Carlson

3:24:28PM Don't we have to replace it anyway and build a larger capacity for cleveland? Not just about this project, but don't we have to replace it anyway, any idea what the cost would be?

Brandon Campbell

3:24:45PM May be some point in the future where the cleveland system has to be replaced in part or in whole. But there's no plan for that. I would also add that while we have not modeled it, because this current system, the AMI pump as it stands right now pumps into cleveland, redirecting that down Howard will help to relieve some of that burden that is currently on the cleveland system.

Bill Carlson

3:25:11PM Two quick questions.

Luis Viera

3:25:15PM I apologize, Councilman Carlson, I have a 3:30 city call on something. In three minutes I'll be running out, probably ten minutes. I apologize.

Bill Carlson

3:25:25PM Two other quick questions. Contrary to the conspiracy theories being circulated, I have no affiliation, never had any affiliation with the South Howard folks. If anybody googles it, they'll see I've actually had the contrary with them in the past. They have threatened multiple lawsuits that will delay this for years. If the engineering is perfect and the budget is approved, it appears that litigation will hold this up for years. Why wouldn't the city try to avoid the litigation and find some solution? Because the ultimate thing, as my colleagues have said, the neighborhoods deserve to be protected as soon as possible. Why would we choose -- it's going to be three or four years at best before they see any protection. I talked to engineers not paid by the city say there are short-term things we could have done and should do to protect the neighborhoods. I don't know why we haven't done those. Knowing there's going to be litigation that could slow this down for years, why wouldn't we pick a faster path to try to help the neighborhoods?

Alan Clendenin

3:26:33PM [Inaudible] some of this goes into the next part of the presentation.

Bill Carlson

3:26:38PM Can I get an answer to that?

Alan Clendenin

3:26:40PM And then move on.

Brandon Campbell

3:26:43PM People threaten to sue us on just about everything we do.

Bill Carlson

3:26:49PM I just think project management you have to look at all different risks. The threat of litigation is a very real risk that you have to look at. I've worked on hundreds of multibillion dollar projects and I never -- forward on a project like this that has so many questions.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:05PM That's more of a statement than a question.

Bill Carlson

3:27:07PM The last thing is, again, how is this -- considering your map of all the areas in South Tampa and the rest of the city that flooded, at least 2,000 families were displaced because of flooding, but we only have one solution. The biggest question that most people are watching want to know is how are we going to resolve flooding in their neighborhoods and how does this work in with what's happening with them? Why is one neighborhood being prioritized. We do need to prevent flooding, why is one neighborhood prioritized over all the rest?

Alan Clendenin

3:27:48PM Answer that question and then we'll move on.

Brandon Campbell

3:27:52PM We need to be careful about conflating designs for hurricanes versus design for designed storm conditions that this project is based on. Just to help sort of manage expectations and for people to understand what this project does, we did model what the impact would be of this project on a hurricane milton-like event. Of course, that is the most prominent and something that people have talked about in public comment. It is in recent memory. And we wanted to understand what would the impact of our project be in that sort of scenario. But we did not design it for a hurricane milton. We cannot design our stormwater systems for hurricanes. We've got to be careful in how we represent what we're designing for, but also assure people what the impact of that design would be.

Bill Carlson

3:28:49PM I just don't buy into the idea that we don't know what the new hundred-year storm is going to be.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:54PM That's it. Thank you. I appreciate the clarity. Councilman Maniscalco, we're only halfway through the presentation.

Guido Maniscalco

3:29:00PM Real quick. September 1st, 2016, we passed the capital improvement assessment. It was a Thursday evening. With that, I don't know if it was in the backup material, but there is a master list. It's $251 million of the stormwater projects, and lower peninsula, broken up in categories. Color coded. What I remember on that list was morrison was one of the projects. I don't remember -- I'm going off memory. I may have the list somewhere. It's been ten years. I know that the city had broken down everything they wanted to do citywide in that quarter of a billion dollar amount of money. I don't know if you have it. I had it for a long time. I have to find it.

Brad Baird

3:29:46PM Brad Baird, administrator. I do have that list. And we can dig it out from ten years ago.

Bill Carlson

3:29:54PM My point was the mischaracterization in the community.

Brad Baird

3:29:58PM It was quite the extensive list, I guess only two of you were here for that vote or maybe council member Viera was here as well.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:09PM I'd appreciate it if you would e-mail that to all seven council members, the package from that.

Brad Baird

3:30:16PM Sure.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:17PM So we can all see the same information at the same time. Mr. Baird, can you continue with your presentation? We'll hold questions until you complete it and then go through a normal round of questioning, two rounds of questioning after the end of the presentation if people have further questions. Mr. Baird.

Brad Baird

3:30:35PM If I can remember where we were. Thank you very much, backroom. All right, business assistance plan. I mentioned up front, this is one of the two things that changed from January until now. The biggest thing we probably did to mitigate impact to the businesses is shorten up the construction zone. This is comprised of 24 phases. I do not recall in my career where we have shortened up the phases this much. This is certainly a first, at least for me. The work will be limited to sections of about 400 to 600 feet at a time, so that is huge. And we will restore each of those sections close behind. As Councilwoman Hurtak will tell you, that was our very top issue on Southeast Seminole Heights. We had spread out restoration, and it was a big issue. So we corrected that. We have a dedicated business support team. Kimmins will have a four-person team focused specifically on helping businesses stay open and accessible. They will work directly with merchants to solve construction-related issues, including coordinating deliveries. Now, this is important. Now most deliveries come via the side streets. We do have restaurants that do currently take deliveries on Howard, and we will work with them to either move it to the side street or double handle those deliveries where we have the equipment that can traverse the construction site, load that equipment up, bring it to the front door and unload it again. Again that will happen throughout the project. Signs will be constructed to help drivers and customers navigate construction and find the businesses along the route. Vibration monitoring. Now, we have done this on many, many projects I've been involved in, you monitor vibration. And this is primarily vibration associated with the restoration where you have vibratory compacters. We will if necessary use static compacters as much as we can. And also you saw earlier, there were renderings of sheet piling or z piling, we will not be using that technology. It's simply too close to those buildings to vibrate in z piling and could result in vibration. Instead, we're using a large trench box as Mr. Zemina outlined. We'll document the buildings, of course, before work begins. We have done this many, many times as well. If there are existing structural or cracks, you can put a crack monitor and then you check it on a regular basis to make sure that crack has not widened or moved or lengthened. We will maintain pedestrian access and basically we will do whatever is necessary to get the pedestrians there with clear signage. We will reduce construction noise. Heavy equipment. We'll use newer OSHA backup alarms. I personally don't like them because of my hearing. They will reduce noise in the area. While maintaining safe construction zone. And then, finally, the city's sohopen campaign will remind people that businesses are open during construction. Encourage the community to keep shopping, dining, and supporting them. We will help them with marketing and anything they need via social media, billboards, advertising and marketing and any ideas that any of you have on that. I know Councilman Carlson, that's your business. We would love to hear your ideas on that. Our next slide, in addition, you've heard about the streetscape improvements, result in improved South Howard corridor with wider sidewalks, much like you see in other developments in the Tampa Bay area. That's just an ancillary benefit of this project. Addressing concerns. You've heard a lot about maintenance. Maintenance alone will not solve this problem. In fact, all the modeling that's done is assumed the culverts are hundred percent clean, ponds are hundred percent dredged out, and it still shows flooding in those modeling efforts. Significant flooding. So the city and the design-build engineers have evaluated 24 alternatives, including 5 recently -- I mean, 5 that the business alliance has provided. And then, of course, we've received 2 in the last two weeks as well. We've looked at those in detail and I will address the last one that was sent in in one of my future slides. The added alternatives, bottom line are more expensive, less feasible, even more disruptive in some cases and in all cases less effective and in many cases much, much less effective. Proposed plan easily protects the families' homes, businesses better than any other alternative. So from there I'd like to first hit on the three main alternatives that have been floated. And then I will go to the business alliance recent alternative. First, I want to talk about the swann route that was brought up early on. The route is 30% longer. Let me back up a little bit. We included a qr code so you can take a picture of that code and go to the detail of this analysis. What I've done is pulled up excerpts from those bullets, as I realize you won't be able to read it, or especially the audience won't be able to read it.

Alan Clendenin

3:38:22PM I was going to ask you if Dennis printed this for you.

Brad Baird

3:38:29PM No. that was very funny. The alternatives are so detailed, Brandon came up with the idea of let's highlight the important ones so everybody can read it. 30% longer. Obviously, if it's longer, it's going to be a cost increase. Construction timeline could be extended by one to two years. And then finally, and this one is big, the northbound Bayshore and Davis island route or David island on-ramp would be closed for two to three months. That is to build the new outfall at that location. Keep in mind, there is no outfall at that location. The next alternative that's been talked about quite a bit, pond alternative. And that would require 232 properties, total of well over 150 million in value for adequate space. Adequate space is equal to 70-acre feet of pond required. This does not account for design or construction costs, nor legal fees incurred by eminent domain proceedings. In summary, this option is simply not feasible. And it would displace hundreds -- hundreds of residents in these two neighborhoods. Finally, the pumping alternative has been kicked around, and there are several alternatives that have pumping involved. If we were going to remove the amount of water associated with our design storm, again 5.3 inches over eight hours, a box culvert is still needed to bring runoff from Palma Ceia Pines down to Parkland Estates. A ten foot diameter force main would still be needed with similar construction impacts. You could install that with a microtunnel. The microtunnel would have to be 144 inches or 12 feet in diameter. Only two or three firms in the world that perform large microtunnels, including the one we did with Harbour Island. Interestingly enough, we took the information from the Harbour Island microtunnel which was much, much smaller. I just lost my presentation. And we upsized that and put it to current dollars. It amounts to about 125 million to 175 million for this option. So way more than the 10 by 10 box culvert. Finally, most importantly, you would never be able to tie in any future neighborhoods to the force main, which you can with any gravity system that's proposed. Now on to the new soho business alliance alternative. Many red flags jump off the page on this alternative. Again, we've only had a week to look at this. But first and foremost, does not achieve the projects flood relief goals. 35% longer, which means more construction, higher costs, longer. Runs through neighborhoods would very, very likely result in tree removals. Relies on three vaults and pump stations, and guess what, those vaults would need to be 12-foot deep. The construction of the AMI vault is very problematic in that, one, we don't own it. Two, it would require removal or demolition of that parking deck. So the hospital patrons and doctors and nurses would not be able to use that parking lot for some time. So you'd have to get their permission since they own it. And then if you look at the green line just south of the AMI vault and goes due south, I believe, that property is not owned by the city. So crosses property lines that the city doesn't own. Finally, we have CSX conflicts. If you see that diagonal line toward the south that goes along the CSX right-of-way, that is about 800 feet of pipeline that this engineer is proposing to upsize. In my career, CSX has not approved a parallel pipeline next to their tracks. It would very, very likely not be permittable. And then as well as that, there are issues with the CSX crossing that I won't get into. But to read more and get more detail on that, please go to shstormwater.com and read up on that. I think second to last slide, myth, lack of maintenance is a real cause of flooding, it is not. It's validated modeling and conditions show capacity is the issue. In fact, all of our modeling as I said earlier assumes that those culverts are clean and that all the ponds are cleaned out. Well, with every single storm, you do have some debris, small amounts of debris that remind behind in those culverts. Phase one does not address Palma Ceia Pines, that statement could not be further from the truth. Phase one removes all structural flooding for the targeted storm in Palma Ceia Pines. The proposed project takes too long to provide any relief. As I think one gentleman said, this proposed project is the quickest way to provide flood relief. It is the shortest distance between these two neighborhoods and the bay. Finally, the city will use eminent domain. I think one of the charts showed that properties we would encroach on, no eminent domain is needed. The box can be built within the existing right-of-way. Real quickly, because I know we've been here a while, construction schedule, and I hope the audience can see that. I know you can on your screen. If this is approved on September 17, October, 2026, we would issue a notice to proceed. We would start utility relocation in November of 2026. And Bayshore Boulevard triple box extension would start march of '27 after gasparilla. And may of '27, box culvert would start on South Howard itself. The CSX crossing, again, is more than a year out and it would happen in May of 2028 as currently shown in the GMP. West Morrison Avenue intersection would be reached by February 2029, West Swann Avenue intersection in October 2029, Parkland Estates May of 2030, substantial completion September of 2030. This picture that you've seen many, many times can be a thing of the past. I won't go through every bullet, but I think the point was made several times this morning. Yes, it protects families. It protects businesses. But more than just structures, more it provides access for the hospital, for doctors' offices, for assisted living, for emergency vehicles. So it is a health and safety issue for this area. With that I will either open it up for questions -- and I don't see Dennis here -- or invite Dennis up to provide his five slides of financial funding. Here he is. It's your pleasure --

Alan Clendenin

3:48:02PM Let's finish the presentation. Did you hear my question, Dennis, earlier?

Dennis Rogero

3:48:23PM Good afternoon, council. Dennis Rogero, chief financial officer. Just a couple of opening remarks. Again, if we could set the table. If council does decide to approve this project, I just want to reiterate there are ample sources of available funding. The plan you have today in the financial resolution you have today uses only some of them. What doesn't it use? It doesn't use any community investment tax renewal funding.

Alan Clendenin

3:48:53PM Won't be doing -- we're not taking any resolutions today. It will be the 17th.

Dennis Rogero

3:48:58PM Understood. But it's a part of your package. Understood, understood. No CIT renewal, again at various times they have discussed using some of that funding and there's ample funding, again, nearly $200 million just for transportation over the next 15 years, but we've decided that the roadways and paving are a higher priority than using CIT for this project. I will note that again the funding plan that you have before you and the one we provided you August 10 doesn't include nor rely on any additional FDEP funding. We're still very confident that was and remains a very viable funding source, but you'll recall there was some discomfort with the uncertainty associated with the grant and still uncertainty. Again, I began this I think in January, giving you no assurances on that funding. I still don't give you any assurances, but we're very confident we're going to get a significant amount of funding from that grant, but we don't need it for this funding plan you have right in front of you. As you heard, stormwater, Mr. Baird and myself say, and I think Brandon and yuan, we have many opportunities over the next coming years to continue to ask for increases to the existing grant, and that's what we intend to do. If I could have the wolf up, please.

Alan Clendenin

3:50:31PM It looked like they had a powerpoint loaded for you. Oh, is that the old one? Sorry.

Dennis Rogero

3:50:41PM Again, this was distributed to council on the 10th of August. Nothing has changed. Just a refresh here. Design, of course, a little over $7.7 million. Construction little over $92.7 million. What has already been approved by outside organizations where applicable and by City Council, about halfway there $50.1 million.

Alan Clendenin

3:51:11PM Can you stop there for a second? I think that is a little misleading. What's been approved as far as funding not for this project. So this money is available but just not -- we haven't approved it for this project.

Dennis Rogero

3:51:24PM That is the next slide. This funding has been approved by council for this project.

Alan Clendenin

3:51:29PM For this project.

Dennis Rogero

3:51:31PM Yes, sir.

Alan Clendenin

3:51:32PM We've already transferred the money for the project?

Dennis Rogero

3:51:34PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:51:36PM Interesting.

Dennis Rogero

3:51:38PM Again, about 50-50. This is still requiring approval by, again, an outside agency. That would, of course, be THEA and City Council for the project realignments and use of the 2006 CIT debt. And again, one of the ways we are not relying on that FDEP additional funding is to add a request for stormwater improvement assessment funding of $25.9 million. Full disclosure, and we've discussed it. There will be, if we have to issue or if we have to use that 25 million in stormwater improvement assessment, there will be some interest costs associated with that. The reason it's in this format, of course, is to come up with the total and show council and the public that you have uses. Of course, the $100.4 million we're discussing today and the sources which I've just identified for you. One of the things I'd like to add, and this was belated, but we thought it would be helpful you heard me just a little while ago talk about the funding that we anticipate over the next 20 years. Again, this is a 30-year assessment. We have 20 more years. You heard Mr. Baird say, you heard me say it, we have ample capacity in this revenue source for the additional funding for the South Howard flood relief project. Again, we've collected about $130 million in the last decade. We anticipate another $360 million over the next 20 years. Again, this is a 30-year assessment. That will bring the total at the end of this 30 years, almost half a billion. $490 million. As council knows, we have bonded quite a bit of this funding. Still have $205 million of outstanding debt service over the next 20 years. Once we take care of that, we have a potential funding picture you see in front of you right now. That accomplishes a couple of things. It keeps the recommended five-year C.I.P. Static. No change to what we've submitted to council. It provides that $25.9 million for South Howard. Again, full disclosure, if we have to take that debt out, and again we might not, depending on the other funding, it's about $9.3 million of interest over that 20-year period, leaving, and you see at the top left there from fiscal year 32 to fiscal year 46, little over $90 million. What does that translate to over 15 years, about 6-ish million dollars every year for pay go C.I.P., which is approximately maybe a little more than what it's averaged in the past. I can answer any questions.

Alan Clendenin

3:55:10PM So, Dennis, again, maybe it's me, so if you go -- when you are looking at the slide, this is 32 to 46.

Dennis Rogero

3:55:25PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:55:26PM The other money that you have available, we're paying interest on that as well. Can you throw the other slide that you had up there with the existing money that's been allocated but not obligated?

Dennis Rogero

3:55:37PM Absolutely.

Alan Clendenin

3:55:38PM I think that is a key, too. Allocated not obligated. It's available for use in this project but not obligated to use on this project. This is it. Yes. We're paying interest on everything but the grant.

Dennis Rogero

3:56:00PM Yes, sir. We have already borrowed this funding.

Alan Clendenin

3:56:02PM We're paying interest on that, too. I just want to make sure we're clear. 29, 30, 31 -- yeah, 31 million on that. $31 million in Bonds that we're paying interest on. In addition to the other pie graph you showed, which shows another 25 million. 56, $57 million of borrowed money paying interest on.

Dennis Rogero

3:56:31PM And further to that, you haven't asked for it, but we can provide the interest associated with those items, too.

Alan Clendenin

3:56:38PM 21 was lower interest rates. 23 would have been lower interest rates. That's a good point. Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak. Are you finished with your presentation now?

Dennis Rogero

3:56:54PM Just one final comment. Of course, this pie chart was provided.

Alan Clendenin

3:56:58PM Councilwoman Hurtak has one question.

Lynn Hurtak

3:57:00PM Just one question on this. If you could put the slide back up, please. So the lower peninsula reallocation, how much in FDEP grants did we win for that lower peninsula project?

Dennis Rogero

3:57:20PM I don't think it was FDEP, but --

Yuan Li

3:57:26PM Yuan Li, stormwater service director. $25 million from FDEP.

Lynn Hurtak

3:57:32PM $25 million. Because we got the $25 million we basically got the 21.5.

Alan Clendenin

3:57:40PM Still borrowed money.

Lynn Hurtak

3:57:41PM Well, yes, but we had to borrow because we hadn't gotten the grant yet. Still cheaper than if we borrowed it today.

Dennis Rogero

3:57:57PM Again, we thought this would be a helpful visual aid to council, the continuing misinformation that this additional improvement assessment depletes the assessment funding for the next 20 years, obviously it does not.

Alan Clendenin

3:58:12PM It's helpful. This will be round one, five minutes. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

3:58:26PM Quickly, a statement to the so-called alternatives analyses. It's what I call afterthought justification when you decide what you want to do, then you do an analysis to prove your point. I could go through each one of those and easily pick out what is wrong with the model of the analysis, but I won't waste time right now. We should have done an honest alternatives analysis in the beginning of the project. Dennis, Mr. Rogero, the pie chart, could you put it back up, please? We're almost to 2027. Between 2027 and 2032, this is the question that all the other neighborhoods in Tampa that flood after every rain want to know, between -- for 2027 through 2032, how much money is left in this fund that we can spend in their neighborhoods?

Dennis Rogero

3:59:21PM From 2027 to 2032, well, it's the $30 million fiscal year 27 to 31 C.I.P. Pay go. It's what is in the recommended budget right now.

Bill Carlson

3:59:36PM Those are already allocated to certain projects. The projects not allocated how much more money is there, so the people that -- the people whose areas flooded if they are not in the C.I.P., their houses flooded, rivers of water through their houses in maybe 20 different areas just in South Tampa, not to mention New Tampa, East Tampa, West Tampa. Families upended. Leave houses, go back and rebuild and no protection. The city hasn't even done maintenance in their areas. What hope do they have for a solution? When will there be money in this fund to find solutions if they are not in the C.I.P.?

Dennis Rogero

4:00:16PM Understood. In the next five years, notwithstanding the five-year C.I.P. And notwithstanding any projects that have already been bonded, very little funding. Maybe fund balance.

Bill Carlson

4:00:29PM What the opposition said maybe not precisely true, but the 26 million could have been spent through 20 different neighborhoods to try to relieve flooding. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't do that, but if the purpose of this slide is to prove that this doesn't take away from other neighborhoods, the reality is that it does in the short-term because people flooded in helene and milton and they are just getting back in their houses now and houses throughout the city, and there's no hope for those folks. The folks in these two neighborhoods are hoping this will go through even though it's proven this won't prevent all the flooding even after it's done. But the folks in the other neighborhoods that were flooded whose houses were completely swamped with water, they have no hope whatsoever.

Dennis Rogero

4:01:17PM Again, that would be a prioritization issue for the department. Yes, sir.

Alan Clendenin

4:01:22PM Anybody else for round one? Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

4:01:27PM Okay. I'm looking at -- so each of these, for the projected cost and it has the amounts of money. These are each different buckets of money, right, that we'll be using for the 92 million.

Dennis Rogero

4:01:43PM Yes, ma'am.

Naya Young

4:01:45PM So my question is for -- so stormwater improvement assessment fund, 31,291. For each of these buckets, would you be able to tell me how much would be left in it after this amount is taken out, after the amounts are taken out?

Dennis Rogero

4:02:03PM Are you referencing the resolution?

Naya Young

4:02:06PM Yes.

Dennis Rogero

4:02:07PM Yes, ma'am. If I'm not mistaken, none. We are depleting them. We're depleting them, yes.

Naya Young

4:02:19PM With that being said, I think maybe the last meeting we had and you had put up -- there was a slide that was put up of projects that had been either completed or canceled for the South Howard project. We heard in public comment today about one of those projects being the 56 and broadway, which I did myself, my legislative aide, Brandon Campbell, Ms. LI and also the person who made public comment today, Fran Tate, we all met. That was on August 25. What came out of the meeting, there is a possibility that we could have a conversation with the landowner to get the easement to do that stormwater project. Let's say we talk with that business owner and they say, yes, you know, we'll grant you all this easement. We could go forward with the project, would there be money to do that project?

Dennis Rogero

4:03:36PM There would not. Little over one million dollars balance and we are requesting reallocation of that to this project.

Brandon Campbell

4:03:44PM Brandon Campbell, mobility director. That one million plus, a little bit, that's in that project account is being moved within the resolution that you all have in front of you. As we spoke, there was no path forward with that particular project. If there was a new path forward, we could reengage and we would be happy to talk to a new property owner or however that new path happened to open up. And the money that is in the pie chart that Mr. Rogero Showed, that $30 million allocation to the next five years of C.I.P., I believe we would be able to find some opportunity within that allocation to refund that project --

Dennis Rogero

4:04:37PM If we could have the wolf up, please.

Brandon Campbell

4:04:41PM Yes. It may be that we need to reallocate or move some money around within the C.I.P. As shown here. If it's not here, then, of course, that 90 million that Mr. Rogero Showed in the whatever color that was, the big slice, would be a potential target for us to fund a new path forward on that particular project.

Naya Young

4:05:05PM Okay. Here's my, I guess, dilemma. Because in one sentence you say we will be depleting everything but then you say we will have it. Which one is it? Will we be depleting the funds or will there be funds available?

Dennis Rogero

4:05:23PM We are -- again, maybe one of us is misunderstanding your question. All funding available, I use that 56th and broadway project as an example. All funding available in that project right now, we are depleting for the South Howard relief fund. As the director just said, however, if there was an opportunity to reengage on that project, that's one of the reasons I wanted to put that C.I.P. Up. There's about $30 million over the next five years in the pay go C.I.P. And then you've seen the capacity still that remains over the next 20 years. I believe those were the funding sources he was discussing.

Brandon Campbell

4:05:59PM Yes, that's correct. I would also add that design effort could be pursued in-house as well without having to tap into the C.I.P. Whatever design that we've got, I know we did at least some concept development. If we need to advance that with the in-house team, we do have some capabilities that we could use without having to require some additional budget to be allocated specifically to that.

Naya Young

4:06:23PM So if the South Howard project was approved, if it came back and it was approved -- if it comes back on the 17th and it's approved, we go and talk with the business owner and they say yes, we would still be able to move forward with that project, wouldn't wait until 2030 or whatever.

Brandon Campbell

4:06:46PM We would not necessarily have to wait until 2032. Being a smaller project, I think there are opportunities that we would have with our existing capital and operating funds -- excuse me, let me restate that. With our existing capital funds to pursue that project.

Alan Clendenin

4:07:06PM Maniscalco no, Miranda no. Hurtak no. Councilman Carlson, do you have any questions? I just have a couple of observations and ious I would like to have from you guys. One, obviously, I think the CSX culvert issue I need to have additional information on, understanding that better and having better assurances because I agree with Councilman Carlson. I distinctly remember Mr. Bhide when he was in talking about this route because of the advantages of the CSX crossing and the culvert being there, one of the reasons this was a preferred route. That being said, I would also like to see, have you guys done any modeling with this proposed bottleneck, reference your flow rates, so understanding that if we're using the existing -- if we're stuck with the 5 by 10, what that flow rate looks like and how that impacts versus if we were just doing 5 by 10s all the way up Howard. You don't have to answer me now.

Brandon Campbell

4:08:08PM I can.

Alan Clendenin

4:08:09PM Let me finish. You may be able to pile it all together. Modeling, 5 by 10, whether using 5 by 10s all the way up Howard. Also modeling if you're able to get access for the 60-inch tunneling or if able to do the complete project which I guess your modeling already shows if you're able to go underneath the CSX with the full 10 by 10 culvert. That's what the modeling currently shows?

Brandon Campbell

4:08:37PM Modeling currently shows the two pipes side by side, 5 by 10 plus the additional microtunneled pipe.

Alan Clendenin

4:08:44PM Maybe that's where I've missed it. Because I thought when you had the two side by side, it was two 5 by 10.

Brandon Campbell

4:08:50PM No. so, the alternate that has been proposed would only be an efficiency add, would only be a timeline reduction, would only would be a cost reduction. We are confident we can accomplish the project as proposed.

Alan Clendenin

4:09:04PM If CSX gives you permission to rip up the tracks and put it in, it will cost less than the microtunneling?

Brandon Campbell

4:09:10PM Correct.

Alan Clendenin

4:09:12PM Fascinating. Interesting. A couple of other things, change orders. Some assurances, because, again, running the math, I spent all weekend running the math, we're getting really close on that ratio. I think one of the things we have to protect ourselves are from potential change orders. How do we protect ourselves from potential change orders which would end up making this project cost prohibitive? The cost would -- I would like to have a conversation with you guys how we're protecting our grice that, maybe kimmins as well. I have hundred percent confidence in kimmins. They have been great partners with the city and able to do really good projects in the city. Any kind of conversation I have, shouldn't reflect badly. I think kimmins has been an amazing partner for the city. I'm very happy we have them working on the project and provides a little bit of comfort for myself. On the positive side, what I've observed in this project and I had this conversation with staff as well to reconfirm. Observation that I independently came to but then confirmed it with them, that the benefit of this, phase one doesn't have the biggest benefit. While we're still in a positive variance, where we're still able to reap a reward for phase one if we don't have any real true cost escalation, cost benefit is still positive, we're really going to reap the reward if sometime we can get phase two because the ratio really grows tremendously on phase two, the benefit that we derive from that. That being said, we can't get to phase two unless we have phase one. You're not able to get to phase two which is where we get the most benefit unless we have phase one. It's definitely in the science about tying this project in on phase one and having the future for, again, after I'm gone, dead, daisies growing on my grave, some other councilor will sit here and expand this project if you have to have that. But I still got to resolve the other issues before I can get to this definitive yes on this. That being said, the last thing I'm going to leave us with as far as my observation is our policies on construction and stormwater need to be relooked at. This is a really good example. Councilman Maniscalco, Councilman Miranda both hit on this hard. The growth, building in the City of Tampa, accommodating a half inch of rain is not where we are moving into 2027. Climate change is real. We're having to shed much more water than we ever thought we would have to shed again. As we approve new projects, we'll have to look at our stormwater mitigation more closely and identify ways to be able to, if they cannot accommodate the water, they need to pay for future infrastructure to accommodate moving that water off of their properties. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

4:12:26PM --

Alan Clendenin

4:12:30PM State won't let us do anything.

Lynn Hurtak

4:12:32PM That's part of the issue. We debated that a lot in the evening sessions is how do we talk about stormwater. I have actually brought that up with staff. It's not gone where I wanted it to go. To talk about the questions of overruns, can one of you remind me about nelson and the Southeast Seminole Heights stormwater project? If I remember correctly, they lost a ton of money on the project. What were the overages like? I don't think we paid overages.

Brad Baird

4:13:07PM Brad Baird, administrator of infrastructure and mobility. I do not have those numbers with me. I do not believe we came in under budget. But I can get back with you on that.

Lynn Hurtak

4:13:20PM Yeah. If I remember correctly, we approved that budget right before costs skyrocketed.

Brad Baird

4:13:28PM We did, we did.

Lynn Hurtak

4:13:29PM So we won out big time comparatively.

Brad Baird

4:13:34PM We did.

Lynn Hurtak

4:13:35PM They didn't do any change orders because that was a guaranteed maximum price, isn't that correct?

Brad Baird

4:13:41PM Yes, that is correct. As I recall, and I'll have to verify this for you, but we came in under budget but over time, if you remember.

Lynn Hurtak

4:13:54PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

4:13:54PM To clarify before Councilman Carlson, I want to have some assurances with staff and we can have this off-line, how we're protected in this contract from change order that would greatly increase the cost of this. Have we anticipated as much as we could possibly anticipate to avoid that?

Brad Baird

4:14:13PM Yeah, I think I said this last time, yeah, it's a great question. We do have an owners contingency and we have a contractors contingency. I believe one is 5% and one is 3%. One is five and one is three. And that's exactly what that's for. I will remind you that in each of the kimmins large contracts that we've had, lower peninsula, upper peninsula and, of course, other projects, if I'm not mistaken, all have come in under budget.

Alan Clendenin

4:14:55PM That's why kimmins is a great partner. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

4:14:59PM I want to follow up and say the same thing. Out of all the projects I've seen kimmins do, only two that I ever had any complaints about. Either one of them have started yet. One of the is the red lights on Franklin Street which Harbour Island and bunch of people against and this one. Other ones, very complicated, complex projects. I don't know is in the room. He's highly praised by the community, neighborhoods, and so the community has great confidence in them. Brandon, yuan, they are out in the community. They answer tough questions that the staff is liked. The question is, why these two projects are so controversial. What you typically do, scientific method, you go in, analyze a problem, build consensus in the community around the problem, then you analyze possible alternatives. Build consensus and understanding about the alternatives, and then you start leading to like a few short-listed alternatives, build consensus around that and then you build consensus around a final solution. What happened in this case is the city skipped a bunch of steps and decided that it was -- that this was the right route. By the way, no coincidence that a whole bunch of people from the department quit at the time this project was launching. I've had in-depth conversations with them. I think part of it is that the mayor's office got involved. They politicize everything. When the mayor decides she wants to do something and it's the right solution, when she's convinced of it, she's not an engineer either, but when she's convinced she doesn't back down, just like on those two red lights. It's insane that the city would use so much political power and energy and create such a divisive environment. She held meetings on Harbour Island without including the neighborhood association leaders. On this, stirring up trouble in the neighborhoods. Certain people in the neighborhood causing trouble, too, but the issue is that the mayor's office is stirring up a lot of problems and trouble. Of all the neighborhoods that flooded in South Tampa, nobody is complaining like this. There's no -- these other neighborhoods have no chance of getting any kind of solution whatsoever. They are not in the budget, they are not in the plan, and they are sitting there patiently waiting. You don't see them sending us the kind of nasty e-mails we've gotten on this project. There's something happening where the mayor's office, maybe combined with a couple of people in the neighborhood, have turned this into a divisive issue. We have real people whose lives affected by this. Should have been consensus built in the last couple of years. Should have been a no-brainer. Instead a lot of questions, a lot of doubt and lack of trust through the whole community on this. There needs to be a way to hit reset on this.

Charlie Miranda

4:17:58PM I'm sure you're aware of it, the companies that do business with the City of Tampa in this type of process have to have a bond that they will guarantee the job at certain times for certain amount of money. We've had defaults in the past where the insurance company. We can't pick the contract. They bring their own contractor in to finish the job, am I correct?

Brad Baird

4:18:24PM Yes. We have defaulted several contractors over the years. We defaulted three just in the last five years. Quite a few early on when everything was design, bid, build. We do have two Bonds. One is performance and one is payment. Make sure the subs get paid. We are very strict on making sure that happens.

Charlie Miranda

4:18:49PM I'm sure that's not going to happen here. Bring it up so the public feels protected to the degree that the money won't be wasted.

Alan Clendenin

4:18:58PM If I don't have any other questions, anybody else? Close out the segment and move on. We have finished our business up to today. Remember, there are no votes today. This was information. We have now two weeks to talk to staff to gather further information and then we'll come back on the 17th and that will be the day that we will vote for moving the project forward or not. Going once, twice, that concludes our regularly scheduled program.

Martin Shelby

4:19:33PM City Council attorney. To confirm with the clerk --

Alan Clendenin

4:19:37PM Do we need a motion to continue this? I didn't think so.

The clerk

4:19:42PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

4:19:43PM Okay.

Martin Shelby

4:19:48PM Items --

Alan Clendenin

4:19:54PM We are going to hear items 36, 37, 38, and 39 on September -- at the regularly scheduled City Council meeting on September 17, 2026. We are done, right? Let's go to new business. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

4:20:19PM No.

Luis Viera

4:20:20PM One small one. Councilman Clendenin, I don't know how you felt about this. Gil schisler on the HART board, term limited as Temple Terrace councilman. Such a great champion for transit. I thought it would be great if off-site give a commendation. Great dude.

Alan Clendenin

4:20:45PM To be determined off-site. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye.

Luis Viera

4:20:51PM Thank you, that's it.

Alan Clendenin

4:20:53PM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

4:20:55PM I already mentioned it earlier, but just because it was submitted in writing to all of you all, I actually did have a meeting with Fran Tate, with Brandon Campbell, with Ms. LI to talk about the 56 and broadway project. That was on August 25. We met right here in the sister cities room. Just because if you're going to submit something on record and write it down, we're going to give the truth. Also, I attended a few things. I was at the buffalo soldiers monument unveiling, which was fantastic. If you haven't seen the monument, it is very, very, very nice. And it was very well attended. Also, it's not necessarily City of Tampa, but our last CRA meeting, we have a meeting regarding Jackson house. It did happen. We're continuing conversations with that. Just to keep you up to date on that. Most of us were at the urban reworx ground breaking which was very well attended and very well received by the community. So I'm very excited to see their project come online. Yesterday, I also went to a grand opening of the gastro bar in Ybor City, very nice. Very nice attendance as well. Derek brooks charity community policing and relationship meeting where we have youth on the call from all over the county, middle school and high school to talk about how students and how do we have better relationships with police. It was a great conversation. That's all.

Luis Viera

4:22:40PM Mr. Chairman, I forgot one small thing. Reminder to council members, those of you who haven't gotten your names to my office for the veterans board, please do whenever you can. Councilwoman Young on the comment that was made, you're awesome.

Alan Clendenin

4:23:03PM You're all right. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

4:23:05PM I have a request by the Planning Commission to remove ta/cpa 26-03 and ta/cpa 26-07 from the September 24, 2026 adoption hearing.

Alan Clendenin

4:23:16PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

4:23:22PM On a personal note, I want to thank the public. I want to thank you all. You all have been like overwhelming with thoughts and prayers and good news or just best of luck. All the flowers. I think we'll have to fill kelly's car today. I want to say thank you to everyone. It means a lot, and I feel very supported. You know, it's a new normal, but I really do appreciate it. I appreciate everyone wearing the ribbons today. I just wanted to make a big blanket thank you, even though I'll have to do some more personal ones. It's meant a lot and I really appreciate it.

Alan Clendenin

4:24:08PM You've been in our thoughts. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

4:24:09PM I've been praying for you every day. Actually, every morning. That's when I pray. You're going to be okay. I'm going to keep on praying.

Alan Clendenin

4:24:19PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

4:24:19PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Make a motion to have Chuck Carden, general manager of Tampa Bay Water, present an annual presentation at the October 1st meeting if possible.

Alan Clendenin

4:24:29PM Are we good on the schedule?

Charlie Miranda

4:24:34PM It's my mistake.

Alan Clendenin

4:24:42PM We're full.

Charlie Miranda

4:24:51PM Only take a couple of minutes.

The clerk

4:24:52PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

4:24:59PM Need a motion to remove that? Then it's available. Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco, all those in favor aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

4:25:10PM Also turn in my electric bill, solar does work. It was $15.69.

Alan Clendenin

4:25:16PM I'll start sending my electric bill to you.

Bill Carlson

4:25:19PM Second.

Lynn Hurtak

4:25:20PM I want to ask t and I if they can look at our mikes over the next week. Because the reverberation has gotten worse, not better.

Alan Clendenin

4:25:30PM Speaking of which, Councilman Miranda mentioned this to me a hundred times. People standing at the podium and don't realize the mike is inside. Is it possible to put a physical mike there so people see the mike and speak into it. It might be worth pursuing.

Bill Carlson

4:25:50PM Since I can't talk about this outside. Can you ask chuck harden to talk specifically what he wants to talk about but specifically talk about the new sources of water and the demand that they have negotiated with the city just so that -- as we get into drought. Droughts will be more likely in the future.

Charlie Miranda

4:26:09PM I'll have him call you.

Bill Carlson

4:26:11PM Thank you.

Charlie Miranda

4:26:12PM No problem.

Alan Clendenin

4:26:13PM Are you done?

Charlie Miranda

4:26:14PM Yes, sir.

Alan Clendenin

4:26:15PM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

4:26:16PM I forgot. I also went to big fest which was in Sulphur Springs at river tower park, which was put on by camille adrian. It was a celebration of all of the small black businesses that are in Tampa. It was a three-day event. It was fantastic. She always does a fantastic job.

Alan Clendenin

4:26:38PM Councilwoman.

Lynn Hurtak

4:26:41PM Chair.

Alan Clendenin

4:26:42PM Couple of information and one motion. We're in budget season. City Council budget is kind of odd. I'm going to spend the next few days going through it. There's some misinformation out there about how the budgets work. Council office budgets work, how council's general budget works. I'll have more information the next time we meet which would be our budget hearing. I'll brief everybody at least what I find. I've been talking to our finance folks and Mr. Shelby and our budget analyst about it. I'm only probably about 10% into where we need to be. I just want to bring that to your awareness of what I'm looking into. If you guys have any thoughts, if you e-mail your thoughts to me, I won't reply.

Lynn Hurtak

4:27:30PM Could you be more specific?

Alan Clendenin

4:27:32PM I think we have gone from small city to big city mentality and how we deal with the city side of the budget. One, there's been a misunderstanding, misconception that budgets roll over. They don't. Oh, they do. They do and they don't. They do and they don't. How's that? I have to clarify that. We have to clarify how the budgets are allocated between offices and general counsel funding, how we're paying for, like Councilman Carlson had the temporary help come in. Councilman Viera, some temporary help and how we're paying for that. I think we have to pin down specifics of how we handle our budget for council.

Lynn Hurtak

4:28:15PM And the high, high cost of plaques.

Alan Clendenin

4:28:22PM We should have an office budget.

Luis Viera

4:28:28PM You know who used to get on me for that. Frank Reddick. Remember, Guido? He used to always get on me for that. You're not the first.

Alan Clendenin

4:28:37PM Just something out there. Again, taking a bite of this.

Charlie Miranda

4:28:47PM I want to make you feel good. I've been chairman a few times. When I was chairman, the whole budget for City Council for the month was $900. So the whole thing. Go vacation --

Alan Clendenin

4:29:03PM I used to be able to buy a loaf of bread for five cents.

Charlie Miranda

4:29:10PM You are old enough.

Alan Clendenin

4:29:11PM You are partially correct. That's kind of where I'm at on that. I wanted to share information. The other thing, those of you who do not know, the Charter Review Commission has finished their work as a committee. They wrapped that up this week. Now, our attorney for the Charter Review Commission is putting that language that they adopted into legalese. We're still working on a process of how that will come to us. Also know that the City Council Will be able to move things forward as well. Mr. Shelby, am I missing something there?

Martin Shelby

4:29:50PM We'll be able to reassess and report back. It's going to, by the way, with regard to the council for the crc, when the commission ends its work, which it has, there is a phase two which allows him now to do work for the City Council. And we have to look to make sure. It may require a budget amendment to allow that to happen. That may be coming to council shortly.

Alan Clendenin

4:30:20PM That was going to be my next statement. We have run out of legal money. We'll have to supplement that, which it is the administration's responsibility to provide the funding per the charter for legal staff. We'll have to have the administration initiate that budget amendment to be able to accomplish that.

Martin Shelby

4:30:39PM All they need is the green light from me to the Legal Department.

Alan Clendenin

4:30:43PM They are anticipating that. That being said, this is a good segue. One, I said it to ashley morrow. She was the chair. She became elected as chair of the committee. All the members of the Charter Review Commission that we appointed including the administration, they did some really good work. I would like to make a motion to provide a commendation to the crc from the City of Tampa City Council on a date to be determined on-site here when they make their presentation to council.

Lynn Hurtak

4:31:15PM I have a motion from chair. I have a second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor? Aye.

Bill Carlson

4:31:23PM That's one for each one.

Alan Clendenin

4:31:25PM Correct.

Lynn Hurtak

4:31:26PM That is a nice gesture.

The clerk

4:31:29PM Correction for October 1. I went back and reviewed last week's meeting, looks like there was a mix-up with staff between two motions. There are actually three commendations for October 1st. The third one is the commendation that council member Young made for les miller.

Charlie Miranda

4:31:51PM What about November 9 or something like that?

Lynn Hurtak

4:31:58PM November 5 is open.

Charlie Miranda

4:32:04PM November 5.

Alan Clendenin

4:32:06PM Motion to amend the previous motion --

Charlie Miranda

4:32:10PM Amend to November 5.

Alan Clendenin

4:32:11PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Any further business? Any new business? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

4:32:21PM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. Some housekeeping matters. With regard to the Natural Resources Advisory Committee, as you know, you passed a resolution to make the appointments, but just in housekeeping, I'd like to ask council to remove file number 2026-48 for a resolution relating to NRAC membership that's scheduled to come on November 17. That's moot at this point, please.

Alan Clendenin

4:32:49PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed?

Martin Shelby

4:32:53PM And to complete the cleanup on that, I'd like council to rescind the August 6 motion that appointed alternates when there was no provision for that to be able to be done.

Alan Clendenin

4:33:04PM Motion from Councilman Viera, second from Councilwoman Young. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Martin Shelby

4:33:10PM Thank you, council. Mr. Chairman, I'm sure you want to remind the public of the budget meeting coming up at 5:01 p.m. on Tuesday.

Alan Clendenin

4:33:18PM I didn't, but you did.

Lynn Hurtak

4:33:23PM On that note, that is because Monday is a holiday. My second day of chemo. The chances of me participating virtually are going to be pretty high. Just a little fyi.

Alan Clendenin

4:33:34PM Anything else? Motion to receive and file? Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. We are adjourned. [ sounding gavel ] disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings may need to hire a court reporter. ▶ meeting video the information contained in these pages represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Persons requiring a verbatim transcript may need to hire a court reporter. © - City of Tampa (813) 274-8211