CRA — September 10, 2026 FINAL

Naya Young

9:03:08AM Good morning. Good morning. If we could all take our seats please. Thank you so much. This meeting is called to order. Going to introduce our board member, Mr. Miranda, for our invocation.

Charlie Miranda

9:03:25AM Madam chair, it's my pleasure this morning to introduce a gentleman who has done yeoman's work not only in the Police Department but in the outside world, in nonprofits, helping people do better, they have the opportunity to do better than they want to do, because of the lifestyle that we have in america. Sometimes you fall in hard places and hard times, and he comes all the time around to help in the nonprofit to help those in need. Jason sowell is the founders and CEO of current initiatives and also one of the chaplains at the Tampa Police Department. Mr. Sowell Has worked in pastoral ministry and nonprofit sector for Tampa for more than 20 years as a church pastor, law enforcement as chaplain, and nonprofit pastor of an organization that works real hard to make sure everything is done right. Current initiatives since 2008 with mission of dealing hope to local communities throughout the laundry project, hope for homes project, affordable Christmas initiative. He's also been serving as the chaplain for the Tampa Police Department since 2016. Ladies and gentlemen, Pastor Jason sowell. Thank you. Heavenly father, thank you so much for days like today, beautiful, that we can serve you, we can represent you in our community. Thank you for these leaders of our great city. We ask that you give them wisdom as they make decisions and that their decisions are inclusive and equitable and that they bring all boats rising together in our city. We ask that you would bless our fine city as you have so many times over. May we represent not only this region well, but our country well as we face what is in our future, as we make choices for our city, as we seek to be the best versions of ourselves that we can be. As we begin this meeting today, may we hear the voices that need to be heard and may the decisions be sound and wise. We love you. Thank you for loving us and for blessing our great city. In Jesus name we ask your blessing. Amen. [Pledge of allegiance]

Naya Young

9:05:52AM Thank you so much for the invocation. Can we please have our clerk do a roll call, please? Miranda?

Charlie Miranda

9:06:08AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:06:09AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:06:12AM Here virtually.

Alan Clendenin

9:06:13AM Here.

Bill Carlson

9:06:16AM Here. Young?

Naya Young

9:06:18AM Here.

The clerk

9:06:19AM We have a physical quorum. Thank you, can I please have a motion to include the minutes of August 20, 2026 CRA meeting and August 27, 2026 CRA special call meeting. I have a motion by board member Maniscalco. A second from board member Miranda. All in favor? Any opposed? Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:06:37AM Can I make a motion to acknowledge and approve board member Hurtak is participating virtually.

Naya Young

9:06:45AM Thank you. Motion by board member Clendenin, second from board member Maniscalco. All in favor?

9:06:51AM Thank you. All righty. So we have someone very special in our audience today. We are going to be presenting a commendation. I'll come down there. Director McCray, would you like to tell us who we have with us today?

Cedric McCray

9:07:07AM Good morning. Cedric McCray, Tampa CRA director. Good morning board and everyone assembled in the chambers. I have the pleasure and honor of introducing Ms. Michele hylton-terry. She is the executive director for the fort myers CRA. Today, she is here in her stead as the Florida redevelopment association president. As you are aware, last month, you made a recommendation and approval to move forward with a commendation to highlight Florida redevelopment week. Following that, we did reach out to Ms. Hylton-terry to see if she was available. She has made the drive up this morning in the traffic from fort myers to receive the commendation on behalf of the Florida redevelopment association. She is accompanied by her CRA Board chair, Ms. Teresa Watkins brown. I will introduce and bring up Ms. Hylton-terry. Good morning, everyone. Can I say a few words?

Naya Young

9:08:08AM Yes, absolutely. I am the executive director for the fort myers CRA. This year I serve as the president for the Florida redevelopment association. Today, I'm especially pleased to be here with you. Thank you for having me. I'm also joined by teresa watkins brown, the chair of the fort myers community Redevelopment agency. We are here to accept the proclamation honoring redevelopment week. On behalf of the Florida redevelopment association, thank you for recognizing September 14 through 18 as redevelopment week and for presenting us with this proclamation. As the executive director of the fort myers CRA and in my current role as a president of the fra, standing before you today is deeply meaningful. In inaugural statewide redevelopment week has been a corn stone initiative of my presidency. It provides a unified opportunity to highlight how community redevelopment agencies strengthen neighborhoods, support local businesses, preserve history, and expand housing opportunities creating places where people can live. This is a celebration of the dedicated professionals who navigate the complexities of urban renewal, the transformative projects that breathe new life into our neighborhoods, and the essential partners who collaborate to make these visions a reality. Together, we share a common mission turning blighted, overlooked areas into vibrant places where citizens can proudly live, work, and play. And, of course, we know that this work does not happen in a vacuum. None of this progress would be possible without the bold vision of our elected officials. Your commitment to revitalize our cities and towns. Today, I thank you so much on behalf of the Florida redevelopment association for acknowledging redevelopment week, the inaugural year. Thank you so much. [ applause ]

9:10:49AM We have a commendation which would be from our City Council, but our CRA Board. We also have a proclamation for you all from the mayor. I am happy to present these both for you. I won't read all of it. But it is us recognizing September 14 through the 28 as community Redevelopment agency Florida redevelopment week. And the community Redevelopment agency and redevelopment programs play a vital role in revitalizing our neighborhoods, addressing areas of slum and blight, strengthening local communities, revitalizing areas of downtown, improving the quality of life for residences and businesses throughout the State of Florida. It is with great pleasure and gratitude that Tampa CRA Board presents this commendation on the 10th day of September 2026 to the redevelopment association. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:11:56AM Thank you for driving on 75 and getting to Tampa in the morning during rush hour. Thank you.

Naya Young

9:12:06AM Thank you very much.

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:09AM Chair Young?

Naya Young

9:12:10AM Yes. Board member Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:13AM Thank you. I just wanted to announce to everyone -- Mr. Shepard Has recommended that I announce that I am participating virtually today because I am not feeling well due to illness. I wanted to make sure that I let everyone know that. Just having an off day from cancer treatment. So thank you so much. I am here and happy to be able to participate virtually.

Naya Young

9:12:40AM Thank you very much. Now we will go into our public comment. I know we have one virtual speaker.

Lynn Hurtak

9:12:48AM Chair Young, we need to approve the agenda.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:54AM Motion to approve the agenda.

Naya Young

9:12:55AM We have a motion --

Lynn Hurtak

9:13:00AM We can't approve it because we have some changes to make.

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:04AM Request to continue item number 8.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:08AM Motion to continue item 8.

Charlie Miranda

9:13:10AM Second.

Naya Young

9:13:11AM We have a motion to continue item 8 from board member Clendenin, second from board member Miranda.

Bill Carlson

9:13:23AM Can we ask cliff -- sorry -- can we ask cliff if we can put it on the agenda for next month?

Naya Young

9:13:33AM I think they have a date, Director McCray.

Cedric McCray

9:13:37AM Yes. We were looking at the November 12 CRA Board meeting.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:49AM Motion to continue item number 8 to November 12, 20 --

Naya Young

9:13:55AM Motion from board member Clendenin and second from board member Carlson. All in favor? Opposed?

Cedric McCray

9:14:01AM I believe Attorney Shepard may have wanted to comment.

Naya Young

9:14:05AM Attorney Shepard, are you on?

Cliff Shepard

9:14:07AM Yes, on that list issue, since that's what is before you. November 12 works for me. I would make any date work, but I need to be provided all the materials first. There's been a bit of confusion on what it is that needs to be drafted. The only thing, for example, that I'm certain of is an amendment to the interlocal agreement. If there are other documents and there may well be, I'm not sure if I am the drafter or reviewer because some may be prepared by the county, so that's important to note. I also, if you'll allow me the privilege for a moment, like to address the presence of Ms. Hylton-terry. As some of you know, I also represent the fort myers CRA. She has been an excellent executive director for that organization. The fra is really lucky to have her in the leadership position that she's in for this upcoming year given what we're going to go through with amendment 3 and all the stuff that will go on until we have a decision on that matter. And after the decision, if it goes, unfortunately, badly, she will be the one that leads us through the difficult time that will follow. I'm glad to see her there. I appreciate the invitation for her to come down. I'm glad she made it because she is absolutely fantastic.

Naya Young

9:15:18AM Thank you, Attorney Shepard.

Bill Carlson

9:15:25AM I just want to say, first of all, cliff, this is Carlson. Let's talk off-line about the documents. I think you're right, it's just the interlocal agreement. We should talk about that. I'm sure others have input. I want to state for anybody who is here to listen to discussion about the rays, that was it, and it's been moved to November. If you are here to hear about that, it's not going to be discussed today.

Naya Young

9:15:50AM Thank you. Any other comments? Director McCray, anything else?

Cedric McCray

9:15:56AM That's it.

Lynn Hurtak

9:15:58AM Item number 9 also wanted to be continued. That's what it said in the supporting documents.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:20AM Motion to continue to November 12, 2027.

Naya Young

9:16:23AM It didn't say a date.

Cedric McCray

9:16:27AM We were prepared to have the discussion today. I apologize for any confusion.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:34AM We can approve the agenda as is.

Cedric McCray

9:16:35AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:36AM My motion to approve the agenda.

Naya Young

9:16:38AM Motion from board member Clendenin. A second from board member Carlson. Any other comments? All in favor? Any opposed? Anything else?

Luis Viera

9:16:52AM Did we move 9 to November?

Naya Young

9:16:55AM No. they are prepared to speak about it today.

Luis Viera

9:16:58AM Good. Thank you.

Naya Young

9:17:00AM Anything else? All righty. We already did the motion and the second? Okay. All right. Now we can move into our public comments. Thank you. We have one online speaker, Mr. Michael Randolph. Are you on? My name is Michael randolph. I'm with the West Tampa CDC. I'm here today to give some updates. First, I want to start with the update on Rome yard. Last week, we met to receive an update information on projected move-in date and to begin Planning for a walk-through for our offices. Upcoming meeting, the West Tampa CDC, West Tampa strategic Planning, the community engagement meeting on October 21st. To be announced. The community will be meeting with the Tampa Bay representatives on the new stadium plans and its impact on West Tampa. Upcoming online meetings between September and October. The first workshop is going to be on understanding investors and lenders. Learn how investors and lenders think as attract new funding and secure loans. Business credits and capital. Strong business credit and position your business for quality -- professional business workshop. Professional business grant workshop. Master grant proposal that unlock new opportunity funding. Next, creating a business plan. Develop a credible plan that inspires confidence from financial institutions. Next, digital branding and social media. Build a compelling brand and use social media to expand visibility and trust. Next is the artificial intelligence chatgpt for small businesses. Using a.i. Tools to save time and streamline operations to compete more effectively. The next workshop is wealth creation, understanding emerging technology and potential for economic -- and equity. The next is home-based businesses and e-commerce. Discover strategies. After that is marketing and sales 103, understanding your target market and effective marketing strategies. The next workshop is on policy shifts in the new way forward. Here talking about senate bill 1134, how it's going to impact how we operate, especially with the new rules coming down from the federal government on exemption for faith-based groups. Finally, thank you.

9:20:22AM Thank you so much, Mr. Randolph. If there's anyone here for public comments that would like to speak, please line up along the wall here so we can recognize you. Is there anyone here for public comments? Thank you. Please come to the podium. Start with your name. You'll have three minutes. Alison hewitt, for the record. Just want to say that today's agenda really demonstrates the importance of strengthening the service agreement. Item 2, the CRA director's monthly report really should make sure which projects are delayed, why they are delayed, who is responsible and what the corrective action is. Item number 10 is especially important. We shouldn't just say exactly why it was delayed. I am asking for you to consider and put in the service agreement to require quarterly reporting that says the project authorization date, responsible department, expect the completion date, current completion date, cause of delay, dollars spent. If you had a grant and you gave someone $4 million and they did not complete the project in two years or four years or in some cases we have a property that we've owned in East Tampa CRA for 15 years, you'd want some accountability. So I'm asking that you consider the changes that you've made to service agreement, has been a really good start, but there is still no accountability. You still have -- listed in there. Nothing that made sure that the projects are done. And I also believe that there are what I handed to you was one memo about the entire agenda and one about the service agreement. Want to make sure that I also mention in the rays' conversation, at the Drew Park CAC meeting last night and the CAC chair encouraged the members to make sure that they are sending suggestions on what they believe could help the community and benefit the community to Mr. Nu EZ. So thank you for that. I want to also ask that in the service agreement, you have it down, CRA as primarily a grant-making organization. And that really, truly disconnects, especially the managers. The managers on the ground and going door to door on some cases from the grant office. The grant office are looking at does it just impact the sap or the CRP and not really talking to the managers because I don't see them at the meetings on how this actually is going to be impacting the area. So my request today is to strengthen the services agreement. Issues that have been identified there. We are not just to fund the administration. We need to fund accountability. We need to have project delivery and measurable development outcomes. You expect it from everybody who gets the grants, and I think you should expect it from the administration also, not just, it's just not ready, it's not just ready. Because you would not accept that from any other Grant Recipient, any other community organization that you have given money to at the highest level of our leadership we should expect them to be able to be accountable as well. Thank you.

9:24:19AM Thank you. The next speaker, please start with your name. You have three minutes. My name is Jeffrey Johnson. Serve as chair of East Tampa CRA CAC. I've been given permission to speak on our committee's behalf. The first thing is we want to address the new grants program. New construction is prohibited. Our interpretation of chapter 163 does not support that prohibition against new construction, section 163.370 provides broad redevelopment powers, including authority for construction and redevelopment activities consistent with an adopted CRP. If you look at the East Tampa CRP, it talks about several things that equates between public and private partnership. Therefore, we ask the board to add the ability for new construction under grants that are connected to the CRP. That is the document that I have submitted. Other CRAs across the State of Florida who has done new construction and how it has been funded through the CRA. So please see those exhibits. Secondly, we recommend creating a smaller exterior improvement grant, maybe up to $25,000. That does not require a property lien. Several small businesses in the community that may not own their properties cannot access the existing program because their landlords would not consent to that lien or site control. A smaller program could help tenants make basic exterior improvements while protecting the city's investment. Thirdly, we have concerns regarding the different interpretations of 163. Because the CRA relies upon one part-time attorney for legal advice, we're recommending that when a significant policy, a statutory interpretation is discussed with staff, that an elected CRA Board member participates in those conversations when legally and ethically appropriate. Currently going into FY '26, $223 million between all of our CRAs in the City of Tampa, why is there only one attorney? There should be checks and balances, and I think that would be prudent for us. Fourth, the new grant process states that the City of Tampa projects come before the CAC. That is fine. We want to make sure that those projects are a part of not being prioritized over what has already been applied for. Also, the community benefits agreement, the way we know it is being changed, we believe anything over $1 million should have public focus group to where those persons who are receiving those grants are meeting specifically with those residents and not relying just upon the CAC comments during that time. Finally, we respectfully ask the CRA Board to give substantial consideration to the recommendations of a CAC. If they give something based on recommendation of staff, whenever board extends that amount of money, we have to find where that money is going to come from in our budget and it may throw off other projects that may be down the pipeline that may not be noticed. Thank you for all you do. And those are the comments from the CAC board of East Tampa.

9:27:40AM Thank you. Next speaker, start with your name. You'll have three minutes.

9:27:53AM Please start with your name. Hillsborough county resident and tennis player at hcc. I just had some remarks -- can you hear me okay?

9:28:07AM Start with your name. Understand quickly why so many of us are concerned. The courts are full. You'll see high school kids practicing, usta teams playing matches, people taking lessons, seniors playing with friends and kids who are just learning the game. It's an incredibly vibrant community. I don't think most people realize just how much tennis happens there. Nearly 1200 people play tennis and pickleball at hcc every week. More than 100 usta teams and pickleball teams call hcc hoping. Leagues, teams, athletes with disabilities, seniors and families who play at hcc. The special olympics and high school district tournaments are held there. Ten Tampa high schools use hcc as their home courts. They are at risk of not having a tennis season this year. So when we talk about hcc closing to make way for the new rays' stadium, we're not really talking about losing empty tennis courts. We're talking about displacing an entire sports community. The real problem is that hcc is a very large facility and there simply isn't another public tennis facility in Tampa that can reasonably absorb all of these players and programs. In fact, 26% of all tennis played in Hillsborough county happens right at hcc. In March, the rays' CEO Ken Babby said we are committed to building a world-class tennis center as part of this project. He talked about Al Lopez Park as a potential site. When I heard that, I thought this is great. Let's make the commitment a reality. We're getting a new major league baseball stadium. We're making an enormous investment in Tampa. Why not use this opportunity to create something our entire community can be proud of? Imagine a beautiful public tennis and pickleball center with clay courts, hard courts and covered courts, a facility that can accommodate the people who already play at hcc, but is also good enough to bring larger tournaments and events to Tampa. A place where a child can pick up a racket for the first time without having to belong to a private club. My name is pippin gilbert. I'm a Tampa native, a Hillsborough county resident, and an avid tennis player. I'm also a rays' fan. I'm not asking anyone to stop progress. I'm asking us to plan for it. Please keep hcc tennis open through April so our school teams can finish their seasons. Before these courts are demolished, let's have a real replacement plan with a location, enough courts, funding and construction timeline. We have an opportunity to do something impactful. Let's keep tennis and pickleball part of our thriving Tampa community. Thank you.

9:30:44AM Thank you. Next speaker, please start with your name. You'll have three minutes. My name is Bishop Michelle b. Patty. I would like to start off by thanking carolyn collins and her committee for all the outstanding hard work they have put into the Jackson house. Been a lifelong resident 73 years to be exact. I've watched segregation into integration. There's not a lot of things that isn't in the City of Tampa that still show where african americans, where we were segregated and most of these places now, there are monuments, little stickers, and some of them not even in the right place. I attended dobyville elementary school. The marker is not where the original dobyville elementary school was at. And so I don't want the Jackson house to become a place such as that. In 199 -- 1905, a gentleman by the name of santiago. He coined a phrase, he say those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. So what we're saying with the Jackson house, it's not just a run-down building, a building that is dilapidated. It has rich black history. This committee has worked long and hard. I watched them overcome roadblock after roadblock. I remember Mr. Robinson coming to this council time and time again to get this done and it fell on deaf ears. Now the committee has picked the ball up. A lot of things from easement to applications to -- that has been a stumbling block. I stood before the same council and supported the rays coming here, and you all have not hesitated to give millions and millions of dollars to this sports complex. What african americans, we are taxpayers, that we're asking that we continue the project. Yes, I know that there were parts of it that have fallen in. But they have a plan. The plan, we should stick to it, but we should hastily, hastily help them implement it so that all can be reserved and saved. I remember vividly as a young woman, young girl, rather, walking from Hyde Park to downtown Tampa only to have to go into the bottom of kress and wool-worth because we were not allowed to sit at the counter. We could not go in the front of the store. Many of you are too young to know that existed. Racism did exist. It's alive and well today. He want to preserve the history, the last history we have left. Hyde Park that I knew is gone. Central park, all these places has been eroded. Now the Jackson house represent a whole lot more than what people are giving it credit for. I'm asking this council to do your due diligence and look at the rich history we have and preserve it, please. Thank you.

9:33:55AM Thank you. Next speaker, you'll have three minutes. My name is ashley morrow. I'm going to talk about black history in a little bit, but I want to start off by saying thank you to safe and sound. Thank you to Councilwoman Naya Young. Thank you for Councilman Bill Carlson for your donations. For the event that we had last weekend, unlock your legacy, at c. Black andrews. I'll get to how this is related to the CRA in a bit. Video clips from it. The kids really enjoyed it. They enjoyed learning about the history, going to the cemetery, seeing some of the grave sites of some people from our past. We talked about Dr. R.r. Williams who was one of the charter members of the kappa chapter here in Tampa. Kappa league members, some of the kappa league members were a part of the program. We talked about fanny b. Stone, who was a mortician over the stone funeral home. We also talked about inez boyer who started the helping hands nursery day care. So the kids were able to learn about them, and they got fed, and they got to walk around. They went on a walking tour. They enjoyed that. I'm trying to get through this so that way I do my due diligence of saying thank you. I really appreciate everybody's help with this program. Moving forward. My battery is about to die. Development, chairman mcknight on being told that the council was ready to hear anything he might have to say stated that he had come with other colored men from the section of the city known as the scrub, but properly defined as east and southeast Tampa. Southeast Tampa being the garrison. People wanted new streetlights, one or two lights and main from the water works. He was informed by chairman that he would have to make his request in writing, which he did, retiring for that purpose in a few minutes, he reappeared with a written one embodying substantially what he previously said. He was instructed to tell constituents to rest assured that they would receive lights, water and streets would be open at the earliest practical time. The petition was referred to proper committees with instruction to give these matters their immediate attention. Now, when we go further in the newspaper articles, it took a few years for all of this to get done. The community, obviously, came out wanting basic things -- water and lights. In East Tampa, we want new construction. We want things that are going to generate and attract developers to our area. So we need new construction in our area. I would really appreciate if you guys would consider that rule being changed, if it's already written, unwrite it and make it so we can have an easier path to new development in East Tampa. Thank you all.

9:37:08AM Next speaker, start with your name. You have three minutes. Connie burton. The history of black people in this city usually start with once upon a time. Once upon a time, that existed over there. Once upon a time there was a vibrant Central Avenue where black folks were able to take care of their basic needs. 34th street, 29th street all was once upon a time. So that's why I thought and the former councilperson thought resolution 568 was important. It was important not just because it would identify the past harm but it was a pathway to move forward. Seems to me you need a guide map to move forward. It's very unfortunate and hard-breaking to see how certain developers can come here and immediately all of their work go to the top of the chain, immediately, because you think it will bring some court of revenue to the city, and it might. But what we see in our community is of such value, but still dealing with once upon a time because we're not able to get the type of development that we want. We're not able to restore the things that we want. When we look inside at the african community, the reality is we got high unemployment. We've got health disparity. We need real affordable housing for working-class people. I'm always talking about East Tampa because that's where I reside. I know that people in East Tampa do not make a hundred thousand dollars. They might want to, but that's not the reality. I know in East Tampa, there is a high drop-out rate. I know that in East Tampa many of the buildings that exist in East Tampa now has been there -- I'm 70, so they got to be at least 150 years old because they was there when I was a child and my mother was a child. What has this council or what is this city prepared to do to bring on new development? You got to have the courage to do it. You got to say the investment we need cannot be based on once upon a time or one pot of gold and I'm looking at now what fair oaks is, and then people will rest their laurels they have done all they can for East Tampa. There is a lot of work that needs to be done in our community. Our community, our young people should be able to see the value in african investment from their parents and as we move forward, they can see new development is still emerging inside of a seamless city, inside of a seamless city that is welcoming to all. Thank you.

9:40:02AM Thank you. Do we have anyone else for public comment? Thank you. We're closing public comment. Director McCray or -- it is my pleasure to introduce Maritza Astorquiza. She will give highlights of what's going on in Drew Park. I am Maritza Astorquiza. I am the chair of Drew Park CAC.

9:40:43AM About how much time do you think you'll need? Unless you want more because I probably have an hour presentation. I want to start with the elephant in the room, which is the baseball field, baseball stadium, baseball project, what have you. First of all, I want to thank everyone who was taking care of watching out for Drew Park. I think in a project as this, it's good to have people against and people for because this is what gives you growth to find out what is best for the community and if it is the best thing for the community. I would like to thank Bill Carlson for figuring out a way -- wasn't the only one -- in the county as well, to not have a take-over of Drew Park. The fact that the take-over is not happening, because if it had, hate to say it, it would have been highway robbery. Taxes are what you work and put in the bank. You give it to the county -- excuse me, you give it to the government in hopes that they are going to live up to their promises. In this case, we're being asked in Drew Park to give the fruits of our labor that's in our bank to the government to give it to another entity. I still don't know how that came into anybody's brain and caught traction. It was crazy. But that tells me how this project started with Drew Park, and that's concerning. Drew Park needs to be protected. I was happy to hear Councilwoman Lynn Hurtak bring up $75 million for I believe item 38, 37, something like that in the contract that had been left blank. In the county, which I watched, they proposed 50 million. I thought 75 million was too little. They came back with 60 million, but we only get 25% in the city. Excuse me? It's 35%. Still. It's not a lot. But in addition to that, I think, and I have asked for a certain amount to be placed aside for the direct impact, the consequences of this project for long and short term. You know that there will be construction events. Dust, where are the critters going to go? The trees taken out, already have stormwater issues. You cannot tell me what our impact is going to be because we don't know. We need money set aside for the consequences of this project. Already took a part of our land. Also cautions me to hear a presentation in bay news 9 spectrum that someone, about the yellow jackets. It's wonderful, and I hope it makes it into the community benefits and I hope they get everything that is needed plus more. And there are other, little leagues in West Tampa. They lost their community center because of the boys and girls club being removed because of the highway. However, it's not in the community benefits agreement. And being presented like that in the media is a problem, because it's not in the community benefits agreement. That's a problem. The devil is in the detail. So that just gives a wrong impression. Community benefits agreement -- no, it's not. Have a seat at the table. I'm still looking for the chair. I'm still looking for the chair to be part of that. We have stormwater issues, traffic impact, the dust, the airport road, still needs another traffic. I know that's not part of our CRA. Workforce housing. You want to put affordable housing somewhere else, okay, fine. Workforce housing. This land was given by tallahassee. One other thing was walk to work. We have employees in Drew Park. Airport has employees. This project is going to have a lot of employees, teachers, firemen, nurses, all within our community. And workforce housing would be great. We need to put 30% of our budgets into that. I'm going to move up a little bit faster. It is important that we have an allocation, and that keeps -- we keep that afloat. Let me talk a little bit about our projects right now and then I'll have a third thing to say. Lois avenue and grady, we have approximately about $14 million being invested in projects right now for this underperforming CRA. Lois and grady has 200 bollards that are going in, in protection of the landscape. 80 new trees. Old ones removed. It's a beautiful corridor. Look forward in October to have a ribbon cutting ceremony. This project started in 2022. I think we're in 2026. Trees, bollards, irrigation. Lots going in, four years. Hubert avenue started in 2022 as well. Hubert avenue park. This is for the kids, the children, because we lost a park because of the airport expansion, and we lost our community center. We lost our baseball field. Someone up here knows the famous people that went through there, started their career. There's hopefully in November, we're going to have our first shovel. Remember, this is November 2026. Started in 2022. This is all good news, okay? I'm just going to point out the length of what it takes to make taxpayer money put to work so that people can actually benefit it. Okay. Our mobility plan. We just got a report, about 90% of it done and maybe about a hundred right now. I will tell you that we're getting 154 new on-street parking spaces, 78 refreshed cross walks or new. And many sidewalks repair and new ones for this connectivity, amongst other things. Started in 2022. I believe it will start in 2027, first quarter. That's a good thing. I hope you all make it to this. What I wanted to say is we need to pay more attention as to why the length of all these things is happening. Why has it taken so long? This is money sitting somewhere which should be put to work. I think there are a lot of layers. I think our managers should be able to work directly with the project managers to get the information we need. We can go a year without even seeing a subcontractor for a report. I don't think we need to be working with layers. This works with the city, maybe not for us. Allow our managers to work directly with the projects teams. I also think that as in the past, because I've been around since 2004, there are periods when the managers had assistance. I believe that's the way to go. You do have some open spots now. I think you need to review that, because we need to get information. It should not -- I've got two minutes left. Something to the effect of we come up with a bright idea. We send it to you guys. You guys like it. You give us the go-ahead. Now we go into a scope and RFP to get someone to go and tell us what we analyze and if it's doable, blah, blah, blah, and a price. Then it comes back to us. And there are community meetings in the middle and then it goes back to you for the approval and then it comes back to us. Then we have to get somebody to do the full design and then that RFP goes out. The RFPs go out to project team, contracting, legal, purchasing, back to contracting, back to the projects team, back to us. There's got to be a better way. I'm going to do my best to develop phases of what we go through for every project, so it will benefit you guys monitoring us. Reports should be monthly, not quarterly. And thanks to our support and our management team, we were able to get -- and I showed you in a public comment meeting -- how we were able to show on our project tracker when this started, and all the steps. That is important for everybody. East Tampa should have it. Ybor City should have it. Everybody should have it, at least one more minute past my 30 seconds. I think it's important where that is. I'm going to commit to give you a skeleton of what I think goes on to help you guys understand everything that we go through here. And I'm going to do that. Hopefully you implement it. But we do need -- doing this on volunteers. We don't have time to wait a year returned to or six-month turn around for a response. How do we know what is designed is what it intended to be? It left our hands and went into a black hole. Yes, I do know there are no privileges for us. I believe that goes more for permitting. In between, the we provide the city something like $5 million to do these services, right, for us. It may be less if we hire somebody else to do it. The scope, the RFPs, getting the people the contract and blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm not taking take it away. I'm saying perhaps we need a liaison in every single department to work with our projects team, which are actually very capable, in my opinion and very hardworking. But maybe every department, contract, purchasing, accounting, whatever it is, they have somebody that they can go to that is our advocate and kind of speed up things a little bit. That is what I want to bring to the table today. Lots of great things happening in Drew Park. I hope you drive through it. Any questions?

9:52:11AM Does the board have any questions? Board member Carlson.

Bill Carlson

9:52:18AM [Inaudible]

Naya Young

9:52:29AM You have to put your microphone on.

Bill Carlson

9:52:30AM First thing is next week at council, we have an item on the agenda where a representative of the West Tampa neighborhoods along with the tpo and mpo will be talking about a process that Maritza has been a part of. We're still trying to put it all together. But they will present next week on doing a master plan -- some kind of plan for all of West Tampa. Because there needs to be, even without -- there needs to be a master plan. I'll show these slides real fast, too. Bill Carlson, Tampa City Council. Can you all see that? Is that up on your thing?

Naya Young

9:53:22AM It's coming.

Bill Carlson

9:53:24AM Anybody watching can look at this later. I'll give it to the clerk so the clerk can load it. This is the cash flow projection we got from staff I think at the last meeting or at least before the rays' discussion. If you look at the top line, it shows what the city's contribution is to Drew Park. The original rays' proposal was to completely take over the Drew Park CRA and then to push for gentrification, which would have put a lot more money in the CRA. But as Maritza said, it would have taken away control from Drew Park and at least the folks I heard from Drew Park don't want massive gentrification. Now there is a TIF for the rays' project that's separate. There's no money being generated in that area now. That will all be new money. One was independence. Second is helping Drew Park control its own future. And then lastly, trying to figure out how funding would be applied. The other thing we did is we asked for additional 30 years. I think cliff and the lawyers said we can only have I think it was 11 more years. I just did this quick projection this morning. The document I just showed, the city's projections are 5% increase per year. If you look at this over -- cliff, I might have shortened it by a year or two. I used 2042 to put it together real fast. If you look at the total of this, this is all money that's city taxes that are going to be held in Drew Park, but this would not exist except for the rays' project because it would have ended before this. Ended at the cash flow projection it showed. November we'll get the documents to codify this, but when we do it, this will be 44 million based on the 5% increase that will be for Drew Park to spend over the next 11 years that they will have control of with the CRA Board to spend. If Drew Park wants gentrification or some growth, that number will go way up. But because you control your own future, once these documents are done, right now, the conservative estimate looks like 5% growth. I just want to show that it's not new money. It's the city's money that's held within the CRA. From a Drew Park perspective, they would not have gotten this 44 million without the extension that's because the deal. The county only agreed to it because we agreed to the rays' deal. You hadn't seen that yet. Thank you very much for bringing that forward. I will confess, I need to digest it. It confuses me a little bit and I want to digest it. I'll give it in a nutshell our concern, we'll have short-term and long-term, like even disruption of businesses and we have construction in the middle of our place right now. We need to be able to get to funds if we have direct issues now, as soon as construction starts. I appreciate that. I will study it. I appreciate all the work that you put in to protect Drew Park. Thank you.

9:56:28AM Unless we have an extra copy, I'll ask my aide to get you a copy of both those. Anybody watching, it's online. The clerk asked me to make a motion to receive and file those two documents.

Naya Young

9:56:39AM We have a motion from board member Carlson and second from board member Viera. All in favor? Any opposed? Board member Clendenin and then board member Miranda.

Alan Clendenin

9:56:50AM I wanted to thank Councilman Carlson for presenting the facts and figures because that's the real math. Also emphasize. I believe he insinuated this but to drive it home, this was very conservative math, very, very conservative math. Because it doesn't take into account -- you're not building a wall around the project, around the rays stadium construction and Hillsborough College campus that you're going to see investment of additional housing in that neighborhood which is going to drive taxes and ad valorem taxes up. You'll see other businesses thrive because they bleed over across the project into Drew Park. I wouldn't be surprised to see that number quadruple over the period of time he's projecting out. That is a spitball, knowing that again the projections of what I think will occur. Earlier you spoke about the community benefits agreement. You are correct. There's nothing in the community benefits agreement because it hasn't been negotiated. Right now, it's a blank slate. The nice thing about it is, we have several council members, including Councilman Carlson and Councilwoman Young going to bat really hard to ensure the neighborhoods and the folks in the City of Tampa are well represented by in that cba to ensure that the neighborhoods and the folks in the neighborhoods, especially Councilwoman Young represents, yellow jackets, baseball fields, those things are incorporated into that benefit agreement. I'm sure the playgrounds, sidewalks, there's going to be a lot of -- 35% of $60 million is a good chunk of change. It doesn't go as far as it did 20 years ago but still a good chunk of change for us to have. You are correct, there's nothing there. But the agreement hasn't been negotiated yet. Still in the works, still in progress. I think that you'll see some bleed-over effect and at least a substantial chunk of that will directly impact your neighborhood, including, not addressing the big part of your concerns about access and during construction and all. Florida Department of Transportation is investing tens of millions of dollars into the area, including giving you a pedestrian overpass over dale mabry so people can transition from east to west, putting their life in jeopardy crossing the street. Not hanging out on the street corner while cars are flying by them at 50, 60 miles an hour. Additional signals, turn lanes, traffic lights, lots of improvements to provide ingress and egress into the neighborhood. Hopefully fingers crossed as we move forward you'll see a great deal of improvement. Thank you.

Naya Young

9:59:19AM Thank you. Board member Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:59:21AM Thank you very much, madam chair. It's an honor to see you here, young lady. I appreciate what you've done in the past. Drew Park is very unique. It is the only industrial area left in the City of Tampa. So happens that I'm the council member for that area in West Tampa and other areas that would be affected by this. You really only have two roads on the west side and north side that come through you. That's lois and grady, am I correct?

9:59:48AM How long has your CRA been in operation?

9:59:52AM Were you ever advised anything would happen CRA, the other part would be taken away or just --

10:00:02AM Neither was the city clerk, the clerk of the tax collector's office, neither was other areas that are there. What they have done, they, meaning those who know what they are doing, what they want to do from the government up or somewhere else, have taken over the whole thing. They never said anything. I get more e-mails now on where the tennis courts are going. I don't know where they are going, but they are not going to go to Al Lopez Park, guarantee you that. That is a passive park for people to walk, have kids come in, watch nature, enjoy themselves. Something we forgot about when we were growing up. That's number two. Number three, when you look around and see what's really happening, it is a take over of government without a revolution. That's what you have. When you look around and see the expenditures, and they'll give you any facts you want. I sat in the first meeting that they had and it was a wonderful meeting at Jefferson high school. Very well presented by the gentleman who did it. Some person asked them about affordable housing. You mentioned that. They said, oh, we're going to build in our area. About a month and a half, two months later, I go to another one I'm invited to. Again, I don't speak. I sit in a chair and listen. Another lady, not the same one, asked a question, what about the affordable housing? Oh, it will be built but built somewhere else.

10:01:23AM So it went from somewhere here to somewhere there. When I hear all those things, I become a little apprehensive because the facts are not straight. I'm not saying they are lying. They are not straight. You continue to look around and you see the things that they have done to make it passible. Let me tell you what's going to happen. You have 81 games. I hope they are successful. However, those 81 games and those streets in Drew Park are not going to be able to come in or out. Even though the stadium only for 27,000 people, when I talk about attendance, in 2024, when they played in st. pete, they averaged 6,803 persons more a game than they did in '25 when they played in Tampa. You can verify everything I'm telling you. That's number two. You keep going down the line, I don't know what a revolution looks like, but I know what a takeover looks like. Because this is a hostile takeover with a pin. I'll talk about the pen. When I was 11, 12 years old, my father told me in america they take more with a pen in one day than they do in every theft in a thousand years. I'm witnessing it right now. I'm not saying that taking over any other way. Taking it over legally in this case. So I see the CRA being divided. I see the city being divided. I see the vote being divided. And this same board here refuse to wait until after the December 3rd election when they would find out what would happen with the ad valorem tax, charge a reduction of $35 million in 2028 or 60 million in 2029, we didn't listen to ourselves. A baseball team, football team, a basketball team, arena, anything you want to call it is a business. Called sports. I'm not anti-sports. I'm anti-why the money is coming out. Not coming out from the top. Coming out from the bottom. Costly for people to live in your area. Thinking about inflation, thinking about costs, you won't be able to buy a damn thing in Drew Park in another three or four years. When you look around, how do we create poverty? We're creating poverty in some way. They'll talk about the riches. But all those riches, they'll talk about employment. I got news for you -- thank you very much. I'm out of time.

Naya Young

10:03:56AM You have 30 seconds.

Lynn Hurtak

10:03:59AM Chair Young, I would --

Charlie Miranda

10:04:01AM I would like to debate anybody one on one, council members, members of the media, members of the team, anytime they want. I'll pay for the tv time. I ain't afraid of no one. Councilman Charlie Miranda's remarks, please.

Lynn Hurtak

10:04:32AM I'll wait. I appreciate you. Very clear what Councilman Miranda is saying. We lost a third of Drew Park because of the airport expansion. They didn't call it eminent domain, but come on, we lost it, right? I said this in another meeting. It wasn't just those companies who can never reopen, some did, some went out of state. Also, we had closures in Drew Park, what is left of Drew Park because that was feeder into commerce. Hardware shop went away and few others went away. Now with this whole rays project. Yeah, I get the argument that it wasn't producing taxes, but at one point I've been around since 2004. Several times we asked, can we build affordable housing or workforce housing. Back then it was called affordable housing. The answer was, no, because that was hcc land controlled by hcc and it was state and couldn't have access to it. Now that somebody has access to it, we really don't get anything out of it. I'm really, really concerned about not having a pocket of money for short-term consequences of the impact that we're going to have. And that really concerns me. I understand and appreciate we'll be getting all this. Great projections. I hope it's a lot more. But we're going to have short-term real impact. And that concerns me. The CRA money should not be used to take care of the consequence of somebody else's project. I appreciate Councilwoman Hurtak for allowing me to respond. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Naya Young

10:06:15AM Board member Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:06:17AM Thank you. Mrs. Astorquiza, thank you so much for the presentation. I want to bring it back to what Drew Park is actually doing right now. So I'm very excited to see the projects moving forward, especially the mobility projects. Really thrilled to also see the park that's moving forward. I really appreciated you and Mr. Nu EZ working together on the timeline that we're going to be talking about later. I think that's incredibly important. You are right. It's taking too long to get projects done in the community. So I wanted to start with that. I did want to touch a little bit on what's going on with Drew Park because of the rays project going in. You're right. You're losing quite a bit of land, but also the tennis facilities, the education facilities. My biggest concern is that $20 million doesn't go very far at all. If you wanted to have a little pocket left aside for what's going on to help the community while the construction is going on, $20 million isn't even going to touch that. I'm really disappointed about the fact that there will be no affordable housing on the site at all. There will be no live, work, play, learn. That's just not going to happen. And it's not surprising, but also the community benefit, it was clearly told that was not going to happen on-site. I don't really know how we're going to pay for the yellow jackets with this. Again, $20 million is not very much money. It certainly isn't going to be enough to pay for even the issues that Drew Park residents and business owners are going to have. And gentrification will certainly come. I wish it wouldn't, but it will. But the biggest concern I have is November 3rd, amendment 3's passage could simply end the CRAs as we know it, especially due to the cost of land and the value of land. So I think we really have to consider that as well. I'm also very concerned about the expansion of the CRAs and the continued requirement for the rest of the city to handle the tax implications. And basically pay for police and fire for all of the CRA areas that will continue to not pay for police and fire for the next 10 to 12 years. That is a giant concern of mine as well. So I'm not really sure why we didn't think about that ahead of time. I think that Drew Park certainly needs to see an extension but I'm very concerned about the rest of the communities receiving extensions that will then, again, cause the rest of the city to then pay for these costs. And no one really ever talked about that. So I really do appreciate Ms. Astorquiza you bringing forward your concerns and continuing to fight for your community. There is a lot that we're still going to have to figure out, but I really do again appreciate you not hiding any of it, bringing it to the forefront and making sure that we're all talking about it.

Naya Young

10:10:04AM Board member Miranda and then board member Carlson.

Charlie Miranda

10:10:07AM Ms. Astorquiza, may I ask you one question? Your CRA, how much money does it produce every year for your operation? Is that correct?

10:10:19AM About 3.5 million. I'm not questioning anything that Mr. Carlson brought up, but he said your cash flow between years 2031 and 2042 will be 43 million -- let's say 43.5 million. Which is correct. However, what is not taken into consideration, that without this, based on 3.5 times 12, 3 times 12 is 36 and half of that, going to be the same thing or right at it. What is your gain there? The gain is minus nothing, because you're going to deal now with the traffic, deal with other things that you have no control over, and your CRA would have had almost the same amount of money. Multiply 12 times 3.5 and that's what you're going to get. That's exactly about what this is. It's so variant, so small that it has no value. Thank you.

Naya Young

10:11:15AM Thank you. Board member Carlson, and this will be our last comment.

Bill Carlson

10:11:20AM I think we just saw that it's at least a $44 million value to Drew Park and Drew Park maintains its independence. To the comments of my colleague before, you are either for CRAs or against CRAs. I'm against them in areas that are already developed and don't have slum and blight like downtown. Why also part of the deal is take half the money of downtown and put it back in the rest of the city for roads and flooding. We could potentially do that in other areas as well. But I don't think anybody would legitimately argue that East Tampa, West Tampa, Drew Park still need help growing. One of the differences in the numbers, I use the same projection that the city used, which was 5% growth rate, and knowing also that Drew Park doesn't want massive gentrification, but if it could end up being higher, one big difference is that the county said we're fine extending it, but we're not going to participate going forward. One of the reasons why the number, if you look at the projections, why I want to show the projections and the actual cash flow, the overall number will go down because it will only be the city participating. It is the same thing for East Tampa. May I show the slides real fast? Bill Carlson, Tampa City Council. This is the cash flow projection for East Tampa. And we have some folks from the CAC behind us. I put this up here and we'll vote to receive and file, but this is the projection just for the city. East Tampa has been around a lot longer. So the base year goes way back. The overall numbers are higher. We asked for additional 30 years for East Tampa. The state law won't allow us, so we added, I think 11 years. Again, I just did a quick projection based on the 5% growth rate the City staff gave. It could be much higher if we push everything. But 11-year total for East Tampa is 184 million. This is 184 million that had the rays deal not gone forward, East Tampa would not have gotten. The 44 million, these are probably conservative projections, 44 million for Drew Park, Drew Park would not have gotten it had this deal not gone forward. If you don't believe in CRAs and putting money in areas that need help developing, then let's have a discussion about getting rid of CRAs. Again, I don't think anybody can argue that these don't need it. I agree that we need to pay for police and fire and all these other things, but we have had these CRAs. Another ten years, we'll give them a chance to lift up. If you do a sensitivity test because of amendment 3, even if you cut this number for East Tampa in half, still $90 million that East Tampa wouldn't have otherwise. I'll make a motion to receive and file these. I'll also give a copy to the CAC chair if he's still here.

Naya Young

10:14:19AM I have a motion to receive and file by board member Carlson and a second from board member Viera. All in favor? Any opposed?

10:14:32AM You have three minutes and then -- well, maybe a minute. I appreciate the explanation and the support that we're getting to protect Drew Park. I want to keep it in the forefront that we're going to need access to funding soon, after this starts because that's what happens with construction. It is in our front yard. Novel idea, maybe some of the money that's coming back from downtown is earmarked for the infrastructure or what have you that is going to be needed, the support that's going to be needed in Drew Park as a result of the impact and the consequences of this project being there. Money has got to come from somewhere, but we need access to funding, and it shouldn't come from $3.5 million a year that we get because that's to take care of our needs. I'll leave with this. Remember, prior to 2004, except for small stormwater projects that we're having, there was a study done and there was a report made, one day I'll put my hands on it because I do have it, it had been 40 years since Drew Park had received any real capital improvements. 40 years until the CRA came. So we do have to remember that. It gets forgotten. Our money here was put because there was no attention to this place. It needs to stay in Drew Park and the consequences from other major projects needs to be taken care of by another allotment. Thank you for your time.

10:16:16AM Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

10:16:18AM Can I please respond to board member Carlson? Because he specifically mentioned something that I brought up.

Naya Young

10:16:26AM Yes. This is our last comment and they are we're going to move forward because we're At 10:17. You have five minutes, and that's it.

Lynn Hurtak

10:16:33AM I just wanted to say that I completely understand, but the issue is there are plenty of other parts of the community that have been waiting their turn. Sulphur Springs is a great example. So we won't be able to support what's going on in Sulphur Springs for many more years because of some of these extensions. If you've heard from the constituents, especially in South Tampa who really want some things done, it's going to now take longer to do so. I don't dispute the use of CRAs and their benefit. But there is a time limit to them. By not extending it, we'll be putting off other projects. I just wanted to -- that's kind of how I feel about it. Thank you.

Naya Young

10:17:20AM Thank you. Thank you so much for your report and for your work and advocating for Drew Park and your work as CAC chair. Thank you very much. Have a good day.

10:17:34AM All righty. We are moving on to item number 2.

Cedric McCray

10:17:40AM Good morning again. Cedric McCray, Tampa CRA director. Just here to present the September 10 director's report. As customary, you have seen and been provided with the project trackers, grants tracker, as well as the housing tracker. Just wanted to see if there were any questions related to that.

Naya Young

10:17:58AM Does the board have any questions related to the project tracker? No questions.

Cedric McCray

10:18:03AM Moving on, just another friendly reminder, the -- to the CRA Board and community business owners within CRA boundaries, cycle one application window for commercial projects and development grants opened on September 1st and will close on November 1st, 2026. If anyone is considering applying and has not already had a pre-application meeting, you will need to schedule one as soon as possible. The required pre-application meeting prior to submitting the application for consideration. If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to our phone number 813-274-8325 or visit our website, tampa.gov/cra community redevelopment areas.

Naya Young

10:18:50AM Board member Carlson, question.

Bill Carlson

10:18:51AM In terms of the general update, we heard from the chairs of East Tampa CAC and also the Drew Park CAC, that they are frustrated that the community projects are not moving forward fast enough. We can talk about this more when we get to the services contract, but somehow we have to get the city influence out of the CRA and allow the CRA to move forward faster because we as a CRA Board have agreed with the community that these projects should move, but somehow the mayor's projects move quickly. The city's projects move quickly and the community's projects move slowly. We've had two CACs testify to that this morning. We know that board members are frustrated. Somehow we need to move them more quickly. The second thing is we heard feedback on the grant agreements, that somehow it excludes new construction. Could cliff maybe weigh in on that? Is that the analysis by the East Tampa CAC? Is that 163 does not specifically exclude new construction, why wouldn't that be in the new grant agreement?

Cedric McCray

10:20:03AM Attorney Shepard.

Naya Young

10:20:05AM Attorney Shepard, are you on?

Cliff Shepard

10:20:09AM Yeah, I had to find the mute button. Can you hear me okay?

10:20:14AM The answer is it does restrict new construction based on its overall construction. In fact, one of the first things I did when I got here to Tampa was prepare a memo that explains the details of why that is and why it is very specific as to what it allows. The short version of the explanation is this goes back to the 2019 amendment, which used to say you could spend TIF on the following things, including, but not limited to. As you all will probably remember, that language no longer exists. Now it says you can only spend money on things that are listed under the statute. Of course, the problem is that the only could easily have said new buildings of whatever is in the plan. For example, if you wanted to have a community grocery store, I'm sure there are places in Tampa that would be considered food deserts as an example. Say, well, we'll build a grocery store. If you as CRA going to build a grocery store, you have a wide latitude in the plan. If you pay a developer to build it, like a publix or a fill in the blank, aldi's, you name it to different stores. The statute limits to you repair and rehabilitation of existing structures. And where it is specific as to new construction is on things like affordable housing or, as some of you will know, the very weirdly worded exception, hotels in support of convention centers as opposed to hotel rooms. Even in that exception, it talks about passage ways and dining spaces and corridors for support of a Convention Center. Not just we're going to build a hotel say down in Drew Park. So I understand the argument that's being made, and I'm sorry to say it's not correct. It's not supported by the statute, and some of you will know and maybe the speaker did not, but I am the general counsel for the fra and this is what I do. Unfortunately, a big part of the job is delivering bad news to people who really don't want to hear it. That memo is available. You could certainly distribute it. In fact, have another one that's more for broad audience of fra members in general and Ms. Hylton-terry's permission, I'll have the fra distribute it to all our members. This comes up constantly. One of the other issues that comes up in that same context is can we loan money? Let me repeat, we are not a bank. There's nothing in the statute authorizing us to act as a bank. Alternatively, we can borrow money and pay it back. We can and do when we have a project that we're putting money on by virtue of a grant, put covenants and restrictions on it that give us control if the project is used for something other than intended or converts to something other than intended. Obvious example is if we fund a certain kind of business to do a facade grant that turns into a bar, they have to pay us back.

Bill Carlson

10:23:23AM Mr. Shepard, could I ask you before the chair cuts me off, could I ask you to maybe send that document back out to all the CRA Board members and also the CAC chairs? Especially to East Tampa. And could I ask the clerk also to post it to onbase and make -- can you get it from e-mail from him and put it on onbase if I make a motion? Cliff will send a document around that he had previously given us, but just so folks can find it on onbase.

Cliff Shepard

10:23:54AM Sure. I don't know how to use onbase, but I know Cedric does.

Bill Carlson

10:23:59AM To number two probably. I make a motion to add cliff's document to item number 2 in onbase.

Naya Young

10:24:06AM I have a motion from board member Carlson. A second from board member Miranda. All in favor? Any opposed?

Bill Carlson

10:24:12AM Can I ask another question or did I run out of time? The other question, cliff, that the CAC chair for East Tampa asked is, there is an issue with the interior and exterior grants, that it really ties to the building and we put a lien on the building. Tenants have to get approval from their landlord which is sometimes difficult. Is there a way to create a smaller grant that, for example, we used to call them facade grants, but is there a way we could get a painting and fix-up grant that is like $20,000 or less that doesn't require a lien?

Cliff Shepard

10:24:51AM Yeah. Well, the amounts are set by you guys with the assistance of staff. Whether it's small or large, whoever is judge of what small and large is, some communities, 25,000 would be considered quite a bit.

Bill Carlson

10:25:06AM What is the cutoff that requires a lien?

Cliff Shepard

10:25:09AM There is no cutoff. The lien is for security purposes. Here's what I mean. And here is the issue with what is being presented. I'm a tenant and let's say I'm in an affordable housing project and I'm a tenant and I want to fix the outside of the building. The landlord doesn't object, per SE, because it will benefit from having a nicer building in theory. But does not want to join in the process or allow a lien to be filed. As soon as we fix it up and it can make a whole lot more money as a not affordable project, he decides to not renew the lease for the tenant, tenant is booted and now books a market rate project and we have no hooks in the project. Can't get the money back and we're not essentially intelligent consumers because we have no protection. We are essentially going bare if you understand the consequence of what I'm saying.

Bill Carlson

10:25:58AM We can put this on the agenda and talk about another time. If like ten grand or five grand, something that is just painting and basic fix-up, seems like our risk is low but the potential benefit is high. If a budget building painted not in years but suddenly paints, that changes the physical look.

Cliff Shepard

10:26:22AM That is true. A risk tolerance question, not a statutory one. But the why is so that you do have the ability to make sure that when you invest in a property, however much that is, that it will be what it is you intend it to be and that comes under the level of me trying to advocate not just in Tampa, but everywhere. CRAs need to think like intelligent consumers. We are not, as one of my friends in one of the CACs likes to say, free money. We are not that. We are supposed to be getting something for our dollars.

Bill Carlson

10:26:53AM I agree with all that.

Naya Young

10:26:55AM Do you want to make a motion?

Bill Carlson

10:26:56AM Can I make it now?

Naya Young

10:26:58AM Go ahead.

Bill Carlson

10:26:58AM I would like to make a motion to add a discussion about a small grant for paint and other fix-ups that might be 5,000 or less to be discussed on October 8.

Naya Young

10:27:18AM Motion from board member Carlson. A second from board member Viera.

Lynn Hurtak

10:27:24AM I have a question.

Naya Young

10:27:25AM Board member Miranda and then board member Hurtak.

Charlie Miranda

10:27:28AM -- project or projects of a size of something because the way you did it right now, it's open for anything.

Bill Carlson

10:27:34AM I said maybe with a 5,000 limit.

Charlie Miranda

10:27:36AM Yeah, limit on what? Building or what? Painting a street or what?

Naya Young

10:27:46AM You have a suggestion?

Cedric McCray

10:27:48AM Yes, I was going to ask, our deadline for the October 8th meeting is tomorrow. If we could move the item and have it come back, and that will give us as a staff an opportunity to review and have ample conversations with Attorney Shepard and board members on the November 12 meeting.

Naya Young

10:28:09AM November 12.

Lynn Hurtak

10:28:11AM That's what I was going to say. It's too early.

Bill Carlson

10:28:14AM Motion to have a discussion on November 12 as to the possibility of let's call it microgrant for fixing up the exterior of buildings.

Charlie Miranda

10:28:33AM Fixing up, I thought cleaning up.

Bill Carlson

10:28:38AM Painting and fixing up.

Charlie Miranda

10:28:40AM Now you have grants for that. Exterior grants.

Bill Carlson

10:28:44AM Should I say to include the East Tampa CAC chair in that discussion, if we could?

Lynn Hurtak

10:28:52AM Chair Young?

Naya Young

10:28:53AM Board member Hurtak and then I'll respond. Go ahead.

Lynn Hurtak

10:28:56AM Thank you. $5,000 won't paint a building in this day and age. So, like, I think paint would be the maximum you'd be able to do with that. You can say you want to fix things up, but I think paint is probably what you're going to get for $5,000.

Naya Young

10:29:23AM Make it a bigger number?

Bill Carlson

10:29:24AM I think in my new motion -- did I include a dollar amount? I called it a microgrant instead.

Naya Young

10:29:30AM Maybe the amount -- we can talk about the amount during the discussion. Just leave it blank.

Bill Carlson

10:29:36AM Should have the thing --

Naya Young

10:29:38AM Say a microgrant when we come back in November we can decide what that actual amount would be and talk about the specifics.

Bill Carlson

10:29:44AM You guys bring your ideas. The real question is, what amount are we happy with, without getting a landlord lien? Of course, the landlord has to approve it and ideally they would have more than a couple of years left on their lease, we can think about the criteria. If a landlord has to sign a lien, they may not be being to do that, whereas we could fix up a bunch of buildings.

Naya Young

10:30:14AM Can you restate?

Bill Carlson

10:30:17AM Ask Dr. Johnson, since he's up there. Dr. Johnson, do you have any other language you recommend? Certain language is already there. With that microgrant, it would be based upon the longevity of how long that business has been there. If there was $5,000 for newer business in that microgrant. But if you've been in a building 20 years and you still don't have site control or you own that building, that building has been in the community longer and it may need additional support and resources. So it should be a case-by-case scenario, but then there should be some type of metric to be able to guide that based on how long that business has been around to determine the cap, the lid of that grant, whether 5,000 to 15,000.

10:31:06AM I make a motion to add a discussion on November 5 as to the possibility of creating microgrants.

Naya Young

10:31:15AM Is it the 5th?

Bill Carlson

10:31:16AM Sorry, November 12. November 12 as to a discussion as to the possibility of creating microgrants that would benefit tenants and would have criteria around them but would not require a lien on the landlord, and to ask the East Tampa CAC chair to participate at the direction of the East Tampa CAC.

Naya Young

10:31:49AM We have a motion from board member Carlson. A second from board member Maniscalco. We made the motion a little bit more specific, so we want it specifically for tenants and not just businesses or --

Bill Carlson

10:32:06AM That was the idea that was presented. In the discussion we can change that if we want.

Naya Young

10:32:10AM Okay. We have a motion from board member Carlson. A second from board member Maniscalco. All in favor? Any opposed? I would just say, it seems as though this may be something that all of the CRAs might want to benefit from. So I know we'll have the East Tampa CAC chair involved, but I think it would be a discussion that pretty much all of the chairs, if they want to have a part in that discussion should be a part of it.

Bill Carlson

10:32:43AM Could I mention one more thing? I showed before the CAC -- the East Tampa CRA growth rate. I was involved individually in advocating for certain ideas. That was one that I advocated for. As I recall, it was Chair Young had pushed for extension -- correct me if I'm wrong, but you pushed for that and that's where the idea came from. Wasn't my original idea. Thank you for your advocacy on that, too.

Naya Young

10:33:12AM Thank you. Any other discussion? We are on item number 3.

Cedric McCray

10:33:18AM Few more things for the director's report. We do have a video I would like to share. You heard the fra president Ms. Hylton-terry mention redevelopment week that's taking place between September 14 and 18. I would like to share just a clip. CRA open house on Friday, September 18, hosted at our outreach office in East Tampa, this is a great opportunity to learn more about Tampa CRA's commercial grant portfolio, residential housing grants, and so much more. For more information, visit tampa.gov/cras. We look forward to seeing you there.

Naya Young

10:34:08AM I studied communication. I worked at two radio stations.

Cedric McCray

10:34:16AM I'll play something on the elmo.

Naya Young

10:34:21AM Can you bring up the elmo, please?

Cedric McCray

10:34:24AM September 18, thank you again, Chair Young, for taking a few moments of your time a couple of fridays ago to record that. So we look forward to receiving any residents, business owners, property owners that have a level of interest in our commercial grants product or residential grants. East Tampa location at the district 3 police station on north 22nd street.

Naya Young

10:34:49AM Thank you very much, Director McCray.

Cedric McCray

10:34:51AM And one other item I'd like to share, on August 24, we had the pleasure of hosting a group -- or two CRAs, 79th street CRA and 7th avenue CRA from Miami-Dade County. And they had a lot of questions. Their dynamic is a little bit different than the dynamic we have here because their CRA boards are residents and business owners. So they had a lot of questions. Many of them had seen some things on social media or through the Florida redevelopment association about some of the things we're doing here in Tampa. We did take a tour that Friday morning, and we ended up at the JC Newman for a brief tour. And before we broke for lunch. But I just wanted to highlight that. It was somewhat therapeutic for us as a staff because they were in awe of some of the projects and things that we're doing currently in Tampa and items that you all have approved or had benefited from the ribbon cuttings and things of that in recent history. Just wanted to highlight as well. I will pause for any questions you all may have.

Naya Young

10:36:03AM Does the board have any questions? No. okay. Thank you very much, Director McCray.

Cedric McCray

10:36:09AM Item 3 is the walter smith library funding agreement. If you recall, you all approved the agreement at the may meeting. This is just the funding agreement that's been signed by the applicant. Once fully executed and signed off, we will present that copy to the members of the walter smith library foundation.

Guido Maniscalco

10:36:31AM Move the resolution.

Naya Young

10:36:33AM I have a motion from board member Maniscalco, a second from board member Viera. All in favor? Any opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

10:36:42AM Chair Young, I have a question. For Mr. Shepard. For these votes, do we need to do a roll call because I'm virtual for something over a million dollars?

Cliff Shepard

10:36:57AM That is really a question for Ms. Suling Lucas if she can hear you and record your voice along with the others, then a roll call would not be necessary. It's really for the convenience of the clerk in getting the minutes correct unless somebody on the board requests a roll call vote.

Lynn Hurtak

10:37:17AM Okay. Then I'll leave it up to her.

Naya Young

10:37:22AM Are we requesting a roll call vote? We hear her.

10:37:29AM We're good. Our clerk got it. We're good. Anything else for item number 3? We're moving right along.

Cedric McCray

10:37:45AM Item 4 we already addressed, Chair Young. The next item was at a request following the last CRA Board meeting for a verbal report as it relates to the Jackson house. I believe Dr. Collins is here to provide that verbal report. I call upon Dr. Collins.

Naya Young

10:38:04AM Yes. While Dr. Collins is coming up, we did have -- I spoke with Dr. Collins and Dr. Angela Scott who are on the board for Jackson House Foundation, we also had a meeting with myself. We had some CRA Staff. Dr. Angela Scott, Dr. Collins, Mr. Williams. We had Abbye Feeley. We had some from our Revenue and Finance. I think we have one of the attorneys present. We had a few people in the room to talk about where the status of Jackson house, how the city can help where they can, because as it's been stated, we all know that this is a property that is not owned by the City of Tampa. It is owned by the Jackson House Foundation, so there are -- you know, we do what we can, but the property is owned by Jackson House Foundation. So that was something that we spoke about. And just kind of where they are right now. So they have a report update that they want to give to us today. I think we talked probably since then every day, probably multiple times a day. But all good things. Thank you, ladies, both, for being here. I will give you the floor. How much time do you think you'll need? Probably for me, probably less than five minutes. I want to basically thank everyone -- carolyn collins. What I want to do is take the initial time because there's been that interest of ours to make sure we're moving forward. And in that process, I want to introduce the contractor. We indicated to you we did not have the construction management firm. We were in the process of signing the contract. Now we have everybody that's on board. I want to initially start off by introducing the construction management firm representative that's here with us today, and I want to really allow Mr. Williams. The vice-chair of our committee. Dr. Scott is the chair of the rroc committee. I'm going to actually give them the opportunity to go ahead and introduce Mr. Clark.

10:40:38AM Thank you. As we hand out just now, we hand out a press release that can give you a summary of where we are, where we have been, where we are today, and how we're going forward. We're excited today that the rroc committee, along with the leadership of Dr. Collins, that we have hired and who is working with us is the sinclair group that you know that has extensive work in the city, already working on historic projects in Ybor City, and recognized by the state as well. So I would like to introduce and bring up cameron clark. They can come on up. We have our construction management team. All of these things going on in the background and in place. We're just excited that we have our full team here. We are already working on our project timeline. We have our goals of what the building will be finished and cutting ribbon time and all those great things. We also have the budget that we'll be talking about and discussing. Yield to you a little bit on that. But we are very excited that cameron clark is a part of our family now with restoring the Jackson house. Newly hired as construction manager. We had a kind of kick-off meeting yesterday with jerel mccants. I'm not going to give too much progress into the insight but our next steps is in the press release. Set up a call with the historic department in tallahassee and come up with a budget and timeline that we can present to the Jackson house that can come back and discuss with the group. We're excited. It's a very important project. We're honored to be selected. For the public and for everyone. We would like to take any questions. I'll yield to Dr. Collins. My name is joanie pelaez. I'm the CFO of the sinclair group. Echo what cameron eloquently said. We're honored and excited to be chosen as the general contractor to work with you all. We're excited about the project. Thank you very much.

10:42:54AM Mr. Ronnie Williams, would you, for the record, state -- moving forward. We have the construction manager on board. Any questions concerning anything?

10:43:21AM I have the light. I just wanted to make sure you all got out anything you wanted to before we started asking any questions. It. But there's been a lot of concern, and I want to say to the community and to everyone who has been concerned about the breach on the rear east side of the house, we actually had seen that. I'm pleased because we've gotten calls from literally all over the state. People are concerned, what can we do? I tell them send us some more. We'll be in that campaign mode of raising more money. We'll be going out for additional grants, but we have a full team on board to do everything that's required for us to do. I want to thank everyone who has expressed their concern, but the biggest question that I've been asked over the last 48 hours is, does that stop the Jackson house? We want to say to everyone, no, we're moving forward. We're so positive for the concern and the interest and the dedication, and we just ask people to keep calling us. We wanted to put the press release out. It is there. The media has been asking for it and we wanted to make sure that we worked as a team to put that together. They were there on Tuesday morning when all the media start calling me because with the assistance of the city, staff, we already walked through, had contract companies with Mr. Sinclair, the sinclair group. I say Mr. Clark, call me cameron, but we already had the folks there. So they were already there. We've worked with Dennis, the historic component of the city. We talked with the state and all to find out what we needed to do about a week and a half ago. So, yes, we're moving forward with that, and we want to try to make sure that we protect property and we protect life as we move safely forward doing what we need to do swiftly.

10:45:26AM Thank you. I saw three lights. So we have Clendenin, Miranda, and then Carlson.

Alan Clendenin

10:45:34AM Good morning, everybody. One, obviously, my concern a few weeks ago was having proof positive steps before we committed additional funds to the restoration of the Jackson house. I appreciate the fact that you've got the contractors on board now. I think that is one of the proof positive steps of moving the project forward. I think a significant step forward. I would like -- I know that you've only been on board a short period of time. When was the last evaluation of is there enough original material left in the structure to when we go -- first, I don't think it's a question that we are going to have the Jackson house. I don't think for the City of Tampa that shouldn't even be questioned. Because it's such an important story to tell. The generation that lived through what the Jackson house was is rapidly decreasing and will be gone here shortly. So this isn't about who is living today. It's about who is living tomorrow, making sure the story continues to be told, right? I think that's really important for the City of Tampa that that building has a story to be told. And that story remains in the City of Tampa and where it currently is placed because, of course, the importance of that area for the black community and the community as a whole. If you don't remember your past, you are doomed to repeat it. It's important that we have that there. I want to make sure that's perfectly clear. I believe a hundred percent in retaining the Jackson house and that story to be told over generations to come. When do we make a determination? Is there enough original material for reconstruction versus basically rebuilding from -- what was the structure in st. petersburg that was rebuilt? The manhattan casino. When are we making that determination? I know you previously made a determination. Obviously there's been a lot more damage and a lot more deterioration since then. Can you all speak to that? Or if Mr. Cameron want to say something. One of the things we did even with the current breach, we actually have, and I was so grateful to the superintendent, sinclair group, because what he said is I've already contacted the lumberyard. They are coming over, and this was well before last Tuesday when we were putting everything in place. And we're going to actually be able to divide the lumber in the house in three different pockets. One pocket is going to be coming to the Jackson house for a gentleman that we've been talking with for better than a year that can take little pieces of wood that we would think to throw away and make all kind of different artwork, art pieces that we will actually have in the gift shop for sale. The second component piece of wood he stated when the lumberyard people come over, they will save that for us. They will save what they could use if there's anything they can use to reuse or repurpose it in the house. And then the third would be where the garbage is, that is not usable in assessment. That's one thing when he first started talking that I felt so encouraged by because he talked about repurposing and reusing as much wood as conceivably possible. We have items that are out in storage now, and the city also have all the bricks. So we're going to be trying to repurpose and reuse as much as possible.

10:49:08AM Let me clarify something. Once you come to that determination, let's say we came to the determination that there's just not enough material and this is not going to be historic because you have to have, I don't know what the percentage of original materials to have that designation, but once -- at least maybe that would -- once we make that determination and we pivot and say, you know what, this project is just going to be a reconstruction of the Jackson house, and it would alleviate a lot of anxiety and pain when we see like what happened this past week. If we're not thinking along the lines of we have to save everything there right now because knowing we'll rebuild it. I don't know when will you get to that point that you make that determination? Existing lumber. 15%.

10:50:09AM 15. Is that enough to be -- siding, duplicate the materials is much as possible --

10:50:24AM Do you see in this reconstruction process, do you actually see retaining the vertical components of that or do you see actually taking it all down and rebuilding it?

10:50:37AM That's my point. Once we get that information out there, that this is what the plan is we won't maybe have as much anxiety when you see something fall or tilting or something like that. If the plan is to bring it down and rebuild it, you won't have the anxiety of okay, that thing fell. The lumber is still there. Still going to use that lumber.

10:50:59AM Even if the thing were to tilt over and fall tomorrow, the plan is not going to change. We'll still bring it back up. That was the point I was trying to get to. I think we all have a preconceived notion that we were going to try to reconstruct this project in a vertical way, the way it is now. That's why I think you see so much anxiety when you see pieces fall. Then it reaches a point we're not able to do that. If we share that as common information of how this project is going to go forward, what this project is going to look like, what the construction project looks like. It's coming down, using original material and coming back up, I think it will alleviate a lot of our anxiety. But in the conversations I've had, that is the next step is to meet with jerel, who is the designer and who is in charge of permitting it and designating the scope, coming up with what you possibly could salvage. But, yes, it's been talked about as being a reconstruction -- deconstruction, reconstruction. These collapses are scary, but it doesn't really change, from my perspective, what I've heard to date what the project will look like in the future.

Naya Young

10:52:21AM Board member Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:52:22AM Thank you, madam chair. Thank you very much all of you for what you have done in the past, what you continue today and what you'll do in the future. The Jackson house, about the history, not about the lumber. It's about the history that happened on that plot of land. If I remember, last time we had a conversation, you all told us that you had lasered it and had the distance from corner to corner. What's happening today in society, the lumber they used way back when it was built was real lumber. Not the bs, ain't talking about barbra streisand, the lumber they are selling you now. A termite looks at it and it falls apart. Back when a termite would bite into it, the teeth would stay there, way back when it was built. What you're looking at now is something you want to use but cannot use it all because after a hundred years or so, that lumber is not accessible, even if the house was upright, you couldn't use it. It failed and is going to deteriorate more. That doesn't mean you don't have pieces that you can't use. It means that you may have less pieces that you can use, but you still have enough to make it historical of the facts that it was what it was during that era of time and maybe still in today's society. Okay. What we're saying is thank you for what you're doing. I appreciate what you're doing and what you told us last time, put in this computer and I remember what you said about the lasering and stuff that you had done all that due diligence. Thank you all very much.

Naya Young

10:53:45AM Thank you. We were dictated to and we accepted that from the state because they are looking at the state and the federal documents on the house. One of the things we must do, and that's where we are now with Mr. McCann and Mr. Cameron already knows that. The house must look the same way it did to maintain that historical status that we're talking about, that it was. And it is a given period of time when the application was made for the historical landmark, so we need to make sure, even the plans that you've been looking at for probably the past year and a half, they had to be modified because the windows have to be the exact size. If you walk up on the Jackson house, once we complete it, you need to make sure that you're looking at what it looked like during the designated period, midrange around the 50 and up, that was already -- when they applied for the historical landmark status. So those are the things that we're mandated to do. We know we're -- we have things out in storage and we're going to probably have to discard the majority of it, what it looked like. Just because of the way it was stored, when it was stored for the Jackson house. We're going to put as much in that we can, but it will look like the Jackson house of the '50s. Identical on the outside all the way around.

10:55:15AM Carlson and then Viera.

Bill Carlson

10:55:18AM I'm not going to use my time to do this right now, but before we're done with this, I would like to hear from you after having sat in the meetings about what your recommendations are to us. Just in general, I've said these things before, I've been on council eight years. Our first motions related to the Jackson house were at least seven years ago. I've been involved since I met Mr. Robinson in 2013. None of us had to be convinced that the Jackson house is a building that needs to be saved. However, every time a piece falls, there are hundreds and hundreds more people online that are saying let it fall down, put a plaque up, let it fall down. We don't care. I think we're losing public opinion regarding it, even in East Tampa. We know that this building is important for many reasons. I'll say it again. It's not only the famous people that stayed there, it's that people of color literally could not stay in white hotels. It's across from Tampa union station and they had to walk, for my kids and others, it's a story of the segregation era of Tampa, but also for anybody who doesn't know, you can google the pictures. Guido has shown us before. But there was a thriving black downtown all around this building and only like three buildings, three houses in the scrub and this. It's a way to honor what shouldn't have been torn down in that area. So I think it's really important for a lot of reasons. Again, we don't have to be convinced. To the point about rebuilding, I mentioned this before, I went to warsaw a few years ago in Poland. I walked through the 500-year-old downtown and went to the museum, between the nazis and soviets they destroyed the entire thing. Warsaw went back to paintings from the 1700s and rebuilt their entire old town. I saw a video the other day on a town in Germany that did the same thing. Williamsburg, most people don't realize that 90% of the buildings there were rebuilt in the '20s. Now they are a hundred years old, but they are not from the 1700s. Some of them, but not all of them. St. augustine, because it was burned down twice, there are no buildings except a stone building from the 1600s. And a lot of the buildings that look old are new. So the point is -- manhattan casino we mentioned in st. pete was a very popular, important building in the African American community, was rebuilt. We can rebuild it. If it falls down, we rebuild it. My question is to maybe the new contractors, as I understand it, the process is called appeal -- called a peel where you take it apart and mark each -- like a construction site, could be a pyramid or old building, take it apart and mark each piece of wood, where it goes. You already have the laser scan. We have photographs. Is that still the process? When is the peel going to start? If we did the peel right away and nothing there, that would be better than watching chunks of it fall. Next question, if we can only use 15%, will that meet the state or federal guidelines on historic preservation? For the last part of your question, the latter -- Angela Scott. The only requirement for the -- not the only, but one of the requirements for the historic preservation is for, as Dr. Collins stated earlier, we need to make sure that the exterior of this home is built just like the time period of 1950 to 1959. That is the goal and that's what the architect and that's what we're working with the historic preservation office here locally and on statewide to make sure that that takes place. It's not a percentage of wood or anything of that nature. We work with the preservation office to make sure we get the right material as Mr. Ronnie Williams indicated earlier for the latter part of your question.

10:59:16AM I don't know if the term is correct, what's been described to me as the peel, when would that start? Can that start right away or how long?

Naya Young

10:59:30AM Can you give your name?

10:59:33AM Every time you come up for the record you have to give your name. And the designer to establish the timeline.

Bill Carlson

10:59:41AM I think that would allay concerns and Mr. Jerel, the lead architect is working on Tampa union station across the street. That will give confidence. The part that fell down is the connection between the addition and the main building. My understanding is that you all were going to put a welcome center there anyway and take down the back third. Is that correct? Because if so, as that part collapsed, it's not something you necessarily are going to save anyway. Am I correct? That is the section we submitted both to the CRA and all of our presentations, we also gave a copy to the council of that part several, several months ago. That's the glass section when you look on the new renderings from the design plans from Mr. McCants, that is not a part of the historical house. That was added on to that.

11:00:35AM Where can people see those renderings? Is. They are being modified now. The website is www.jacksonhousefoundation.org.

11:00:56AM The bricks, chimney and other pieces, but the part where willie and his family put hand prints on the wall, areas like that that you can preserve? We went out to dsi, which is where someone stored all the information. It wasn't proper storage. We looked and saw as much as we could. We actually started working, almost a year ago now, with the University of South Florida, and they are going to go out and see how much can be saved in those five bins that we have. They are going to clean them up and actually record them again, digitize them again, and then we'll be able to know exactly. We're hoping and praying that those walls' hands are available. I cannot tell you they are because it is in the dsi. I remember marking them myself for them to be saved. But at the time we were not the ones responsible for appropriately storing it. We've got to go and look and see again. We've been out there twice. We opened the crates. We've been in them and USF is working with us, with the student program to do that.

Naya Young

11:02:05AM Board member Viera and then Maniscalco.

Luis Viera

11:02:08AM Thank you, madam chair. I appreciate that. You know, it's funny, when we saw the news about what happened a few days ago with the Jackson house, it's symbolic to people in the sense that it's falling apart. Obviously, people know that in reconstruction, you'll have to do radical measures on the house, obviously, but just the falling apart is obviously problematic. Like Councilman Carlson said, I've seen on social media some comments on people that say that the city should have no business in this and even saying some people. Social media, all it takes is a couple of hands and time to write down something and send it. I've seen people go that it should be torn down, this and that. For me, if somebody has such gross disrespect for our black history and for african americans and our american history dealing with black americans, they can go to hell. That's it. That's just the way that it is. Amen. I cursed. There you go. It's true. For me, that's terrible. It's funny. We look at other communities. I went out to Mississippi a year ago. Great u.s. history nerd, I guess. I went out to money, Mississippi. I saw the barn where emmett till was murdered and also saw Bryant's grocery store where emmitt was sold to Ms. Bryant. If you look at the store, it's in terrible condition. The son of a juror who acquitted emmett till's murderers owns that store, that building and refuses it to sell it to the state of Mississippi for less than $5 million. We can look at that and judge that and say that's terrible, that's terrible. But we got the Jackson house. There are legal procedural issues that precluded us from going forward, but that's something that is a challenge to us here in Tampa in terms of honoring that history. And thank god we can go forward now. That's the great thing. Now, why is it important for us to honor that? The Jackson house is one of many parts of the City of Tampa where there is a brutal, violent, ugly Jim Crow era history from the end of reconstruction until 1930s. It was the State of Florida that had the highest per capita rate of lynchings in the United States of America. City of Tampa was not immune. Just outside of city hall part of a lynching, Robert Johnson, 1934, a transfer from police officers I think from the county to the city, just outside of city hall down to Ybor City, Louis Jackson was lynched in 1903 I think it was. Incident after incident of that. Jim Crow, and Jim Crow, as folks know, wasn't just as terrible as it is. Separate restrooms or separate accommodations, as terrible as that is, it was violence and lynching such that 6 million african americans over about a 50-year period fled the south to up north in a great migration. You take a look at that, that's what the Jackson house is all about, which is a small microcosm of paying tribute to that suffering so that we don't forget our history, especially in the year 2026 or whenever you talk about this stuff, you have folks who are obsessed with grievance and ultraridiculous sensitivity on issues. Oh, we don't want to hear about that. We ought to tell it from the rooftop because that's how we got here. A good country makes wrongs right. We repair breaches, and that's what we should be doing. And also agree with something that Councilman Carlson said with regards to Councilwoman Young, which is I would be interested in seeing what you think are the next steps, not to put pressure on you, as you are the person leading the charge over here, I pay you kind deference. Thank you.

Naya Young

11:06:02AM I'm waiting for you to finish. Maniscalco and then --

Alan Clendenin

11:06:06AM Sure. I have one more question.

Guido Maniscalco

11:06:07AM From what the gentleman said, 15% is what you estimate will be original of the Jackson house, once it's finished, is that correct?

11:06:19AM Okay. So you're going to disassemble. You're going to re-create and restore. Some people will say, well, it's not the Jackson. It's not original. I want you to google 1954 ferrari mondial. It's a car sold at auction for $1.9 million. It looks like a crash vehicle that you would think it's scrap metal. Going to cost $2 million to restore it. Send it to the factory and it's going to be certified by the company because the company, and you are probably wondering what does this have to do with the Jackson house. Ferrari has the blueprints to all the cars they have manufactured, just like you have 3d scans and the blueprints for the Jackson house. Some will argue it's not the original ferrari that raced in the 1950s. Once it is done, it will be worth, I don't know, 10, $20 million. I don't know. Once the Jackson house is done, it's not about the monetary value, it's about this is how things are restored. There's also a story about a Mercedes rotting in Cuba for years. 1.5, 2 million dollars. Rotting under a tree and it was restored and on the road again. It's worth a fortune. The Jackson house applies to that. People are disassembling and re-creating and restoring, it's going to be the Jackson house. It's going to be a Jackson house that's going to withstand the test of time and be there for multiple generations to come, just like these cars that are going to be worth -- that are worth money, but are going to be worth even more once they are done. It's the same thing with this. What you can't replace historically, this is the Jackson house. This will continue to be the Jackson house, and this is how things are often restored. When people drive by and see, oh, it will fall over, in a strong wind, we have to, as was mentioned earlier, we have to understand, it's going to be taken apart carefully. We're going to go piece by piece. We're going to repurpose for artwork, for other reasons, and then we're going to restore and salvage what we can and then the Jackson house will rise again and be there for years to come. Thank you.

Naya Young

11:08:36AM Board member Clendenin.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:38AM Yeah, again, I think it would be helpful for your new team to come together sooner rather than later. Create a one-pager about the plan, because I think, one, just for information, I believe the historic standards says you have to have majority of materials, original materials to be able to qualify for national historic status. That's kind of the status that other organizations build upon. Once we dispense of that notion that we're trying to retain something that is not obtainable, because it's just past that point, right? I think once you dispense of that and have a plan of reconstruction and rebuilding, I've told people many times that have asked me about this, first place, to be perfectly blunt, Jackson house as a building, it was not anything special. It wasn't anything architecturally, it wasn't an architectural wonder of the world. We're not talking about the pantheon or the pyramids. The importance here is the story. The story doesn't die and the story doesn't get blown down by a hurricane. The important thing here is retaining the story. So I think if you were to do a one-pager and say, this is what we're doing. This is our objective. Our objective is to retain that story. It's to rebuild that structure so we have a place to tell the story and that we clearly communicate that, again, I think it will alleviate a lot of the anxiety people have every time the wind blows. I do want to address the social capital of this as well. So we receive advice, each one of the council individuals up there, and as a board, we will become, doing more social media and doing a one-pager. So we receive all of that. I do want to go on record to say we have gotten the advice. We will do more posting and more information to the communities. We have done community meetings quarterly, but going on social media is a great way for us to keep the story in front and to communicate with the communities so that they'll know what we're doing behind the scenes. Clark, sinclair group. Just to clarify a little bit more, even though we're new to the team, we know the process. I don't want the expectations to be that something go on and happen there that you'll see because there's still design ongoing, then submitting for permits and then mobilizing to do any sort of deconstruction. The expectation -- that's not happening tomorrow or the next day. There's still a chunk of time that is going to be stagnant. I just want to set the expectation.

11:11:24AM I think again with the common language that we all understand what the process is moving forward that we're not under the misunderstanding that we're trying to retain 80% of this building in its original. Because I feel like that is what is the burden, the black cloud hanging over this is a misunderstanding or not lack of common understanding of what the plan of the foundation is of retaining the storytelling place. I think as much as you share that, I think it will help. Thank you. The design plan, when we met as a board about a year ago, we actually had talked with Mr. McCants, and he said give me what you want. We took the original house, all of the rooms, upstairs and down stairs, we gave it to the board, because we had already been to the community. The community had been telling us what they wanted to see. The way we tell that story, you are absolutely right. Because the story is not just a house. It's that family as well that stayed in the house and had economic development before it was popular. It's not just the african americans that were fortunate to stay there, but the native americans, the military families and all that contribute to other parts of Tampa, that was also able to stay there. Yes, that's exactly what we're trying to do. And we're asking people when we go to those quarterly meetings what you want to see, what you want to do. I can even remember Councilman Carlson told us, even about pictures that he had. We've talked about judges who want to redo different products and retrofit them or resurface or whatever. Yeah, it's going to be a bit, but we've got to hopefully explained to the community even much clearer than we've been explaining before.

Naya Young

11:13:16AM Thank you. One, I want to thank everybody for their comments. Since that CRA meeting, we have spoken a lot, probably multiple times a day. Just so I can get an understanding of kind of the process that you all have been going through, because the question we were getting, there's been so much time. What's going on. What's happening? We were able to meet to really talk about all those processes that you have to go through, between the permitting, between having the drawings, the historic, there is a whole other piece when you are maintaining something that is historical. You have to have the exact same dimensions for the windows. Exact same dimensions for the doors. Everything has to be very much -- it's very technical. We talked about that. We went all the way back to when the project first started. You gave me the history down to the easements and alleys. We had a full discussion just so I can kind of get the background of this project. While we may have been talking about it, you know, before or there may have been opportunities where people have come to the table to discuss it, I was not there. That's why I wanted to, you know, just do my due diligence and say, okay, well, let me try my hand at this and see if we can really bring everybody to the table, together again and see how we can move this forward because that's the question we get. We all know that Jackson house is not owned by the city. We know that, but it is in the city. So the narrative, even since things have been going on, when you watch the news, the city is letting this happen. It's almost like we kind of have to get involved in a way because we don't want that narrative to be that Tampa does not care about the historical structures, especially structures that contribute to the black history in Tampa. We had to try to put our hands in here. We know it is not owned by us but what can we do on our side or even CRA side to help you all and move this along. We met about that. We've spoken a lot. Then we had a meeting with everyone at the table, Dennis Fernandez was there. Janelle McGregor was there. Abbye was there. We had Dr. Scott and Dr. Angela, Dr. Collins, Mr. Williams was there. We've spoken a lot about what was spoken today. We talked about the longevity of Jackson house after it is rebuilt because it is going to be rebuilt. But we want to have programming there. We talked about board formation. Having more people on the board that specifically can work with fund-raising. That can specifically help with programming, that can help with even more, give Mr. Williams assistance with the construction. So we talked about board formation. I did have a conversation with vinik foundation, and they are -- they want to see the house restored. They just want to see like we had today, this movement of bringing on the sinclair group. Having Mr. McCants involved. See that there would be forward movement. They are very much wanting to see this house restored. I had a great conversation with them as well. We talked about how we're going to bring in different funds. There's different streams of funding that's coming in. Some of them are reimbursement. That was one of the reasons we talked about board formation and actually having a -- one or two people on the board that specifically could go out and get funding. They can bring in the $500 million checks for the foundation. We spoke about that. We spoke about the different -- each grant has its own kind of stipulations, whether it's from the state or from the city or from CRA. Everyone has their own kind of list of things that have to be done. So these two wonderful ladies are trying to do all of that. So we spoke about maybe having someone to assist them, so it's not just Dr. Collins and Dr. Scott that are managing the grants. As someone who has managed grants before, you will spend all of your time managing a grant, especially if it is a state grant and almost feels like you can't even get to the work. We spoke about that. We also spoke about having a fiduciary agent, someone that can bring in and hold big amounts of money that are going to come in because we're going to speak that into existence. We spoke about going through the permitting process. So we've had a lot of conversation. And I've been in contact with Dr. Collins and Dr. Scott. So I think that now knowing that information and seeing what we have today, I'm so glad that you all, sinclair group was able to be here today and you all will be working on the project. So I do think this is positive momentum. I think this is a good way forward. Obviously, you have the support of all of us here. I think this was a good step so people can see, like, we're really moving forward. It's taking time but now we're making sure we have the foundation so that once this is rebuilt, we can hit the ground running and we don't have to go back and reinvent something. We know what we're doing moving forward. That's kind of my synopsis. I think this was good. I thank you guys so much for being here today. I'm sure we will be talking more. This is not the end. Make like an honorary member. We'll keep in contact and make sure this moves forward because it is a lot of history in the Jackson house and also thank you all for just being, you know, understanding that where the community is coming from is we really just want to see, you know, people have a lot of angst and we're like what's happening. You all are really doing a lot of work and doing the hard work. I'm here to support you in any way. Thanks to the community at large for all of the positive and constructive criticism. They are all good, and we will accept them we really thank you, as we move forward. We appreciate all your work.

Luis Viera

11:19:34AM First off to you, great, great job. You deserve a high five for that. Chairwoman Young had mentioned other people on your board. Have you spoken to everybody at the George edgecomb association? I also tried to get one to come on with us to be legal counsel. I'm going to help you help me. We're looking for a person who can do all of our public relations and PR. We have a young master going toward his doctorate degree. He doesn't want to be on the board but he'll write for us. We're looking for a PR person. Looking for a fund-raiser. Referred to someone, have a meeting set up to meet with them to see how they can help us. We're looking for those individuals who have the time that can come on the board. We're not a board that is pushing people away. We're receiving people. We even indicated, if you don't want to be on the board and you want to be the friends of the Jackson house, we will accept you as friends of the Jackson house to come and help us. This is not our baby. This is the City of Tampa's baby, and we will receive anyone. So yes.

11:20:47AM I said lawyers. If somebody from the George edgecomb bar association, a former president, our wonderful state senator fentrice driskell is former president of George edgecomb bar association, and she could be -- I could reach out to her and different folks there. That is a good resource, because they are connected to the Hillsborough county bar, the Florida bar, the Tampa Hispanic bar where I was incoming president when fentrice was president. A lot of good people very SMART. In terms of the law and different things like that. Whenever I think of help, I go, lawyers. That's all. Was on the board, and she had to leave because she serving on another board, doing an excellent job in Tampa. She took a six-month leave of absence. If I tell you where she is and who she is, you'll know who she is. We are trying to find a replacement. Anyone that's interested, tell them to please call us, the e-mail, website, I almost gave my phone number. Everybody knows my phone number. Just give me a call. We'll accept anybody that want to work and help with our capital campaign. Thank you.

Naya Young

11:22:05AM Thank you. Thank you all very much. We are moving right along.

Cedric McCray

11:22:16AM Good morning again, board. Cedric McCray, Tampa CRA director. Moving on to item number 6, the Tampa union station monthly report. Just will pause for any questions.

Naya Young

11:22:27AM Any questions? No questions. We have no questions. Moving right along. There's no action. Go ahead.

Cedric McCray

11:22:45AM Number 7, related to the vision for linear park north and of South Channelside Drive. Staff did put together a memo to provide an update and give some historical information related to the topic that came up a couple of meetings ago, and we did schedule time and meet with representatives from mobility. At this present time, there are no formal plans for the extension, but we will stand by. I know a component of the motion was related to having conversations with individual board members related to the vision, so we will be scheduling those as well.

Lynn Hurtak

11:23:26AM Chair Young?

Naya Young

11:23:28AM Board member Hurtak, Clendenin, then Carlson.

Lynn Hurtak

11:23:33AM Thank you. That was going to be my big thing is that, and maybe board member Clendenin was going to get on this as well. The motion really asked to talk to us. So I was disappointed that that didn't occur. I believe that this particular CRA, the riverwalk extension is important, but more importantly is just bicycle, pedestrian activation in the area. It's very hard to get into that area, into channelside by bike safely. So I believe that this extension of the riverwalk is really an important discussion. So I really look forward to actually talking to each board member about this because I really think that's how we move this forward. Thank you.

Naya Young

11:24:25AM Board member Clendenin and then Carlson.

Alan Clendenin

11:24:29AM Exactly what Councilwoman Hurtak said. My intent, you know, I love what you said earlier when talking about the Jackson, talk it into existence. That is my theory as well on transportation. Talk these things into existence. Keep them on the front burner of people's attention. We heard it during public discussion I believe during our first hearing on the '27 budget. About greenspaces and park spaces and downtown urban area. This is an opportunity we have. It is a short window while the CRA is there of being able to kick-start that as a board -- of the members sitting up at the dais today on the tv monitor, the dais plus tv monitor today. Part of that is that discussion we asked to have. I think part of that is, again, talking into existence, because you have seven different people with seven different visions, seven different ideas. I think the combination could make something important happen here. This is not just about the riverwalk. This is about a linear park greenspace, park, bike lanes, opportunities to have this space set aside and preserved for the City of Tampa and for connectivity. I don't want this to drop. I want this to continue. So I think we probably need to make a motion. What is a good date to come back? Give a little bit more time to do all the conversations. January is good. How about a motion to put this back on the schedule on January 14th?

Naya Young

11:26:12AM I have a motion from board member Clendenin. A second from board member Maniscalco. All in favor? Any opposed?

Alan Clendenin

11:26:21AM January 14, 2027. CRA meeting. Maybe we as board members can talk to mobility and talk to the other interested groups and everybody else talk about what this could look like. Obviously, we're going to envision somewhere through the parking lots or adjacent to Channelside Drive. Very good. Thank you. That's it.

Naya Young

11:26:47AM Board member Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:26:48AM I want to state again five years ago or four years ago, we had proposed creating an extension of the riverwalk that would go from the aquarium up north to adamo. If you talk to the maritime industry, they want it on Channelside Drive because they don't want it to encroach at all in the maritime area. If you talk to this mayor and last mayor, they want to tear out the maritime areas and put condos there, which would be disastrous. It would destroy the biggest economic engine we have in our area. The last mayor forced the port to put into their strategic plan two 70-story condos next to the aquarium which they can't build anyway because of FAA requirements. This mayor is saying we need to implement the plan. Well, that part that was put in the plan was not the idea of the maritime industry or the port. It was forced by the last mayor. I would just remind everybody that we need to make sure we protect our biggest economic engine. If we shut down our port to build condos and we're on the verge of encroaching enough that it will cause major parts of the port to shut down, we'll have higher costs in our area, longer to get gasoline after hurricanes or during hurricanes and other events. So we need to be SMART, not just benefit certain people's clients, because they want to develop in that area. We had a proposal to put it through the middle, so to bisect the compromise, which everybody agreed to, was to put it between the aquarium parking lot and the cruise terminals and go north, the port building is in the way so we'd have to figure out how to go around that. The former CRA Staff showed a rendering of it and reportedly got screamed and cursed at by the mayor who told them never to show that again. This is my concern about the service agreement. The mayor should have no influence whatsoever regarding the CRA. That in part caused the CRA Staff to quit. If you get cursed at or yelled at for considering protecting the maritime industry, I hope you'll come to us because the contract clearly says you report to us, not to the administration. We'll report it to the proper authorities because it's not acceptable to treat staff like that. Especially when we're trying to do something good for the community. That's a case where we negotiated a compromise. The maritime community was not happy. Development community was not happy. But we came up with something that everybody was kind of okay with and the mayor stopped it somehow. The city does own the aquarium parking lot, so has some authority there. The port owns the cruise terminal. I can tell you that if they propose putting a riverwalk or something along the waterfront that will destroy the cruise terminals. It will cause a huge fight. Even if the cruise terminals were not there in the future, we need more container terminals because our container industry is growing. We need to protect the biggest economic engine in our region. Because somebody's client is developers who wants to build condos doesn't mean we get rid of our economic engine.

Naya Young

11:30:02AM Thank you. I want to add thank you for wanting to continue the conversation. That's one thing I heard a lot in channelside is they want greenspace. But also thank you, board member Carlson, for your comments. We know our port is really important as well. I don't know if you all were at the -- where was I? Yes, they were talking about the port, and it just got the new deep, I don't know, something that is very good for the city. Yes, making the channel deeper. But I do think that there is, you know, a way forward where we can have both parties that can be amenable. So I think this is a good conversation to have. So thank you all. Any other comments?

Bill Carlson

11:30:54AM I said this before, I'll say it really fast, the port originally was down by the yacht club and down in what's called Port Tampa and parts of it moved to downtown and then it was moved out of downtown to the edge of downtown, and a lot of people say, oh, let's get rid of the ugly space. Used to use baltimore as an example but not a good example anymore. Anytime putting retail in the place of high paying blue collar jobs is not a good idea. The common refrain is, oh, we'll just get the port to move further east. The only choice then is, do we get rid of all the homes in apollo beach and develop that into a port because there's no more land? Through the dredging they are doing, this reminded me, they are going to build more dredge islands but all that land is already allocated. So there's no more space for the port. They already got to move the SHIP repair industry that pays, I forgot, 500 high paying blue collar jobs, welding jobs that pay $150,000 a year and we have to move them somewhere because condos are going there. We have to stop the condo encroachment on the port. There's no more space. We can't just say we'll move it somewhere else. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

11:32:04AM For those of you that have not anticipated, tonight is going to be a long night, I suspect. We've got some things that will draw a lot of attention. So in the interest of timing, I believe that we should continue item 9 to November 12, 2027.

Naya Young

11:32:19AM We have a motion from board member Clendenin. A second from board member Maniscalco to continue item number 9. Board member Viera. Board member Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:32:32AM Thank you. It says that there is a written report for this but it was not in onbase. So I wasn't able to read it. So hopefully when we continue it, we can actually have the written report available.

Alan Clendenin

11:32:49AM Noted.

Naya Young

11:32:54AM Continue this item and also to have the written report included in onbase so that we can read. Friendly amendment. Okay. Director McCray and then board member Viera.

Cedric McCray

11:33:06AM Yes, as you're aware, I once again apologize for any misunderstanding. I just want to say for the record that item, because we have the policy updates that were approved by you in June and we're now having open application process for the cycles, that component of repealing the half million dollar threshold will still be in place. I just want to make sure that the board is aware of that. We'll have to articulate that to all the applicants and then move forward from there.

Alan Clendenin

11:33:42AM Okay. Got it.

Naya Young

11:33:43AM We had a motion to continue to November 12 by board member Clendenin and a second from board member Maniscalco. All in favor? Any opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

11:33:57AM Aye.

Naya Young

11:33:59AM Board member Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:34:02AM Thank you. As far as item number 10 goes, this is the discussion that was started by board member Carlson during item number 2, and this is really where we needed to talk about it, about the length of time for completing projects. I think this is a longer conversation. If you wanted to move this because of time constraints today, that might be something that we wish to do. I am prepared to talk about it, but there is a lot to talk about. But if we're able to move it to November, then we might be able to get -- I know that CRA Staff is working on finishing out the rest of the timeline because right now we only have the ones from Drew Park in East Tampa. My question to Mr. McCray is, if we were to move this to November, would we then be able to have all of the timelines to look at?

Cedric McCray

11:35:06AM Yes, it is a heavy lift, as I shared with you specifically after the motion was made. So we will work our hardest to bring that into fruition for the November 12 meeting.

Alan Clendenin

11:35:21AM Is November enough time?

Cedric McCray

11:35:23AM I would prefer December.

Alan Clendenin

11:35:25AM Let's do December. Let's get it right.

Lynn Hurtak

11:35:30AM If that's the case, then I'm going to make a motion to make sure that the timelines are all completed, but as we talked about during my prep meeting, it's not just the timeline of actual movement. It's the timeline of when the CACs began to discuss the item. And that tends to add quite a bit of time. So my motion is going to be to not just have a timeline for actual movement, but include -- so when you come back in December, my motion is that you include in the timeline not only the actual movement of a project, but when the project was first started being discussed in the CAC.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:21AM That's December 10, for Councilwoman Hurtak.

Naya Young

11:36:22AM Yes, December 10.

Lynn Hurtak

11:36:24AM Yes, December 10.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:25AM I second.

Naya Young

11:36:26AM We have a motion from board member Hurtak and a second from board member Clendenin. All in favor? Any opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

11:36:35AM Aye.

Naya Young

11:36:36AM Okay.

Cedric McCray

11:36:40AM Item 11 and 12 are two CAC appointments respectively for Ybor City.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:46AM I motion to approve.

Cedric McCray

11:36:48AM Joseph F. Sullivan and for the East Tampa CRA CAC Ms. Megan Cochran.

Naya Young

11:36:53AM Motion from board member Clendenin, a second from board member Maniscalco to accept the CAC committee appointments for Ybor City and East Tampa. All in favor?

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:05AM Aye.

Naya Young

11:37:06AM Any opposed? All righty. Moving right along. Congratulations to Joseph F. Sullivan and Ms. Megan Cochran.

Alan Clendenin

11:37:15AM I motion to approve the service agreement.

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:18AM Item 13 and 14.

Naya Young

11:37:22AM Say it one more time, board member Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:24AM I motion to approve items 13 and 14.

Naya Young

11:37:28AM It was moved by board member Clendenin. You'll do the second.

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:33AM Sure.

Naya Young

11:37:34AM We have a motion to approve items 13 and 14 by board member Clendenin. A second from board member Hurtak. All in favor? Any opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

11:37:46AM Aye.

Naya Young

11:37:47AM Okay. Anything else? Director McCray.

Cedric McCray

11:37:58AM Yes. Good morning again. There was some conversation related to the microgrants and commercial grants. There is not a lien component. I alluded to earlier the updates that you all approved in June. There is a restrictive covenant, but there is no lien on the commercial, interior and exterior grant, to answer that question. We still will move forward with the conversation in meeting with you all at the board's request, but I just wanted to highlight that there is no lien component related to the commercial interior and exterior grant.

Naya Young

11:38:32AM Board member Clendenin.

Alan Clendenin

11:38:33AM Do you have examples from other CRAs around the state?

Cedric McCray

11:38:39AM It's funny you ask that, board member Clendenin. Actually, no, we don't. We've had this conversation with Attorney Shepard when we're looking at what the board has asked us to do to meet the needs of the various CRAs here within the City of Tampa. There is no formal model. We are ultimately creating the process.

Alan Clendenin

11:39:01AM Pointy end of the spear.

Cedric McCray

11:39:03AM Correct. I'll yield to Attorney Shepard to just kind of specify when I say restrictive covenants what that means as it relates to the applicant.

Cliff Shepard

11:39:14AM Yes, sir. What that means, very briefly, is when we provide a grant for a project of whatever type --

Naya Young

11:39:22AM Attorney Shepard, could you start over. We could not hear you.

Cliff Shepard

11:39:27AM That's weird.

Naya Young

11:39:29AM That's better.

Cliff Shepard

11:39:30AM Essentially, whatever project we're doing, whether it's commercial or residential, it should have in it our expectations for what we're getting for our money. Someone mentioned earlier, for example, painting and fixing up. And that might be the expectation. Those grants are supposed to be reimbursements. Theoretically, we get the grant money -- we give the grant money after that's done. Let's suppose, for example. This has not happened but actually happened that one of the places fixed up with grant money is then unexpectedly sold to, I don't know, a motorcycle club, like maybe the outlaws. I'm just saying from experience, and then it gets painted black with razor wire fence put around it and we have CRA money in it. So the idea of the lien is over the covenants, if they violate the covenants by not keeping it in whatever condition we want it in for whatever period of time, I think typically we say five years, depends what it is. Affordable housing, obviously longer and so forth. We have the ability to get the money back. It's a violation of the covenants. Usually the covenants have a descending scale. Within the first year, we get all the money back. If in year two, it's -- we get 80% and so forth. Descends down to zero after year five. For the smaller grants that we're talking about. Obviously, other grants have different time periods based on what we're trying to get. I think the affordable housing may go up to 50 years.

Alan Clendenin

11:41:13AM I would like to make a motion, reference to item 14. This has nothing to do with our current Attorney Cliff Shepard. I think he's wonderful. Very intelligent. I think for next year, I would like for the CRA Board to address hiring a full-time attorney for the CRA and have that discussion for the next board on July 22, 2027. Should give us plenty of time to have that discussion. July 22.

Naya Young

11:41:44AM July 22, 2027. We have a motion from board member Clendenin and a second from board member Maniscalco. All in favor?

Bill Carlson

11:42:01AM For the sake of discussion, I'll vote yes to have the discussion. I think the legal advice has been significantly improved since we've gotten Mr. Shepard. And half of his time -- we did not have a full-time attorney before. But half of his time is better than an attorney who doesn't have the expertise that he has. The conflict that East Tampa CRA raised is that an attorney can strictly look at the law, but it also depends on what question you ask them as a client. So the East Tampa CRA was recommending that a board member sit with the attorney for any interpretation that is given to make sure the right questions are asked. For example, we always asked the question before of the city attorneys who sat here, can we spend CRA money on fire stations and they said no. I asked cliff and he instantly said yes. It depends on how you ask the question. There's a bunch of hoops you have to jump through, but it is important to have somebody who is an expert and it is important who is asking the question. And as long as the mayor has a back door to the CRA Staff, I think we need a CRA Board member present.

Alan Clendenin

11:43:12AM Again, I won't get into the details or explanation, I just think it is a good idea for the next board, whoever is sitting in the seats have the discussion and make that determination. Put that placeholder. There may be a lot of new people sitting here. We don't know where we will be tomorrow. They may not even know what they don't know. This would be a placeholder for them to have that discussion.

Naya Young

11:43:33AM All righty. Any other discussion? We are done with --

Alan Clendenin

11:43:43AM Did we vote on that?

Lynn Hurtak

11:43:46AM No.

Naya Young

11:43:47AM We did.

Alan Clendenin

11:43:49AM I think we stopped in the middle.

Naya Young

11:43:51AM We had a motion and a second and then discussion. All in favor?

Lynn Hurtak

11:43:57AM Nay.

The clerk

11:44:04AM The motion passes with Hurtak voting no.

Naya Young

11:44:10AM All righty. That does it.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:12AM Motion to receive and file.

Naya Young

11:44:15AM Do we have any new business? No. okay. We have a motion from board member Clendenin, a second from board member Maniscalco, all in favor? Any opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

11:44:27AM Aye.

Alan Clendenin

11:44:28AM It will be a tough night tonight. Buckle up.

Naya Young

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