City Council — October 1, 2026 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:05:36AM Welcome to Tampa City Council. I'd like to call this meeting to order and recognize Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:05:40AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's my pleasure this morning to introduce the individual who is going to give the invocation, Mr. Jason Sowell. Worked in the pastoral ministry in the nonprofit sector in Tampa for more than 20 years as a church pastor. Law enforcement chaplain, nonprofit founder, he has led the Tampa-Based nonprofit organization current initiatives since 2008 with a mission of dealing hope to local communities through the laundry project, hope for homes project, and affordable Christmas initiative. He's also been serving as the chaplain with the Tampa Police Department since 2016. Mr. Jason Sowell. Please rise for the invocation and remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. If you would pray with me. Heavenly father, thank you so much for this beautiful day that you have given to us. Thank you for these great leaders of our city, these heroes that are here that serve and protect our city. We ask your blessing today on this meeting this council. We ask that you would give wisdom to those making decisions for our city, that you would give them compassion and grace and may they embody that and may the voices of our community that stand here today and voice their concerns, may they be heard and may they be well represented. May we as a community stand firm together as we shine a light on what needs to be fixed in our future going forward to be an even greater city than we are. We love you. We thank you that we get to be here in this community together. May this meeting and these voices be productive. We love you. Thank you for loving us. In Jesus name, amen.

Alan Clendenin

9:07:29AM Councilman Miranda, you'll lead us in the pledge of allegiance. [Pledge of allegiance]

9:07:49AM Thank you very much. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

9:07:53AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:07:55AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:07:55AM Here.

Naya Young

9:07:56AM Here.

Luis Viera

9:07:57AM Here.

Bill Carlson

9:07:58AM Here.

Alan Clendenin

9:07:59AM Here.

The clerk

9:08:00AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:08:01AM Thank you so much. Can I get a motion to adopt the minutes from the meeting September 17, 2026? Motion from Miranda, second from Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Agenda review time. I'll start off with, I need a motion to remove items 13 and 45 from the agenda, please. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I need a motion to continue item 50 to November 5. That was actually my request. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Martin Shelby

9:08:43AM I'm sorry. That is a 10 a.m. public hearing.

Lynn Hurtak

9:08:51AM I motion to move item 50 to November 5 at 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602 At 10 a.m.

Martin Shelby

9:09:03AM I'm sorry, but that can't be done until the time of the start of the public hearing.

Bill Carlson

9:09:14AM I think it's good for the purposes of the public that we say we are going to move that. Also, I just want to say on this topic, I found out that somebody in the city was recruiting small businesses to e-mail us and to come to the meeting today and also to print t-shirts and report it to the city attorney's office who I think stopped it. It's illegal and unethical to play in politics with city and taxpayer money.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:42AM I have thoughts on that, too.

Martin Shelby

9:09:44AM Good morning, council. City Council attorney. To talk through number 50, it is council's intention to continue it, therefore, it will not be heard At 10:00.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:55AM That is correct.

Martin Shelby

9:09:56AM That being said, it is a public hearing, and therefore I believe if it's not going to be discussed, especially particularly today, it would be inappropriate for the public to comment on it during just general public comment because it is the subject of a public hearing. We would want that into the record. Anything they say today would not be part of that record.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:16AM Although, that being said, Mr. Shelby, if you're telling us that we cannot continue that until 10:30 --

Martin Shelby

9:10:23AM 10:00.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:24AM Sorry, 10:00, if public comment occurs before 10:00, it is still on the agenda.

Martin Shelby

9:10:29AM The item is on the agenda and it is non-quasi-judicial.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:34AM Yes. I would be saying, if someone is here and wishes to speak to that item, because it is on the agenda and won't be removed until 10:00, I would give them the deference and be able to speak to that item.

Martin Shelby

9:10:45AM That's council's prerogative. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:48AM Very good. I need a request to continue item number 62 to November 19. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

9:11:00AM I move to accept the written staff report, 66, 67, and 68.

Alan Clendenin

9:11:06AM 66, 67, and 68. I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. I have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Is staff needed for 60 and 61? Hearing no staff is required for 60 and 61, can I get a motion to receive and file? We need public comment. We're clipping right along, aren't we? Very good. Anything else? 63, 64, 65 staff is going to be present for already. So we've got that taken care of. Anybody else -- any other adjustments to the agenda? Can I get a motion to accept the agenda? Motion from Miranda, second from Viera, all in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Very good. We have adopted the agenda. It's time for commendation time. Councilman Viera.

9:12:09AM Motion to adopt the addendum. All in favor, aye. Very good. Thank you.

Luis Viera

9:12:24AM Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and council. It's my great pleasure here today to do our officer of the month. We always do this, again, we're a community that supports our first responders, including our wonderful police officers. Here to talk about this person, we have our assistant chief messmer or deputy or assistant. Today we are here to recognize officer barry maurer. If officer maurer would like to come up. He's been with the Police Department five years. Three of the five years spent as field training officer in district 2, works predominantly in Sulphur Springs area. He has over two decades of law enforcement experience when he came to the Tampa Police Department including a lot of leadership and supervisory experience. That's what motivated him to become a field training officer. Field training officers are extremely important. They train the new recruits when they lose the police academy. Field training officers train them how to do the job, how to interact with the community, uphold the values of the mission of the department. Not only do they train them how to do the job, they really mold them for their mindset of how they are going to police for the rest of their careers. Officer maurer is extremely, extremely detail oriented, very knowledgeable, very commendable work ethic. And he is such a good trainer and has such good leadership skills we frequently use him to train some of our recruits who need a little bit more assistance and are facing some challenges. In addition to that, he's also very experienced investigator. Does great investigative work. There was a recent case where he helped our detectives identify and arrest some individuals involved in an armed robbery. Additionally, he's a very proactive officer. Recent examples of that, there was an instance where he was able to locate and identify somebody who previously fled from a traffic stop and had felony charges. He was proactive and was able to identify and arrest somebody who was illegally in possession of a firearm and narcotics. He was able to also identify and arrest suspects who were responsible for the theft of another firearm. Violent crime and firearm offenses are obviously something that's very important to curbing in our community. Officer maurer does a great job of the reactive and proactive police work. Trains our new officers in an exemplary fashion, instilling in them everything we want our Tampa Police officers to be. For that reason, we are recognizing him as our officer of the month. [ applause ]

9:15:09AM Before we honor you formally and have council speak, we have members of the community here who would like to honor you. On behalf of all the members, want to present this to you in recognition of all the great work that you do, barry. Appreciate it. [ applause ] good morning, officer maurer. Grace gonzalez here on behalf of the gonzmart family and 1905 family of restaurants. Thank you for being here in Tampa. Thank you and your family for your sacrifices and time. Thank you with this gift card to any of the 1905 family of restaurants. Columbia restaurant, flamenco show, ulele, thank you for everything you do. Congratulations. [ applause ] mary dillon representing the straz center. Thank you very much, officer, for your service. On behalf of a grateful straz, tickets to see nutcracker. Enjoy the holidays. Tickets to see nutcracker. Thank you so much. [ applause ] mike mcarthur, stepp's towing. Congratulations on a job well done. Thank you for everything you do for the community. Behalf of Todd stepp and stepp's towing, hundred dollar gift card to enjoy dinner for you and your family. Thank you for everything you do. Good morning, chief. Good morning. We met in the lobby there. We have a tradition after hearing your story. Kind of falls in line at one buccaneer place. Anybody that goes over and above gets a game ball. Hearing your story, you and your family definitely go over and above. On behalf of the glazer family, our coaches, players, our entire organization, thank you for what you do and the sacrifice that your family gives for our great city. I would like to present a game ball. [ applause ] mary lou bailey here on behalf of Zoo Tampa. Always hard to go after the bucs ball. I'll do my best. I'm here on behalf of Zoo Tampa. We wanted to thank you for your service. We've got a basket with a spotted leopard. Lynn, you always asked me about that. Spotted leopards are really cute but have really big fangs. Probably some analogy with policing there. In here is an annual membership to the zoo for you and your family to enjoy. We have creatures of the night going on right now. I want to thank your family and hope you enjoy that and thank everybody in service. Not looking at you alan, but I want to make sure I make eye contact. Thank you for serving. Awesome. Awfully special. Thank you so much. [ applause ] congratulations on winning the award. Thank you so much for what you do. I say this every single time I'm up here and continue to say. I appreciate and respect each and every one of you guys that puts the uniform on every single day. Makes it safe for each and every one of us in the City of Tampa. Behalf of bill currie ford, present to you a handwritten letter from Jennifer curry herself, gift card and full free maintenance on your personal vehicle and some ford apparel as well. [ applause ] gabby on behalf of friends of the Tampa riverwalk. We're incredibly grateful for everything you do for our community. So we have a personalized paver located on Platt Street for you and dinner for two on board yacht starship. Thank you. [ applause ] to keep people oriented in the right direction. You can just push the button so it rotates it back to --

Alan Clendenin

9:19:19AM I think I need a zapper just for you.

Charlie Miranda

9:19:22AM We'll start with you. It's fine. I'm Steve Michelini, here on behalf of a variety of different folks. Ciccio restaurant group is providing with you a gift certificate so you can enjoy yourself over there, breakfast, lunch or dinner. On behalf of the Jackson's bistro over on Harbour Island, enjoy yourself over there for lunch or dinner. Meat market in old Hyde Park Village and yummy house over on dale mabry. Please bring these letters and the certificate with you. Appreciate you. [ applause ]

Luis Viera

9:20:02AM Officer, on behalf of a very grateful City of Tampa, all 400,000 people that live here in the City of Tampa, and I believe your family is here, am I correct? And we salute you, sir, and your family for your amazing sacrifice. God bless you. Thank you. [ applause ] it's very humbling to get these awards. I think it says a lot about the Tampa community that folks like you come out and show your support to law enforcement. I know it's not required. I know it's not necessary, but it is appreciated. Thank you so much. My family is here. My mom and my dad, my wife, my two kids.

Alan Clendenin

9:20:41AM Get them to stand. Family members, stand up. [ applause ] they do a great job for me at home. I really do appreciate them and patient with our weird scheduling. Thank you to my wife for juggling that. Chain of command top-notch, top down. Chief Owen, deputy chief messmer, major mccormick, captain -- they make decisions way above my pay grade, but I can feel the difference they make on the streets. I can feel in the district and the department they are doing a great job. My immediate supervisor, sergeant and corporal. She is a great person. With us on the streets. Guiding us, helping us out and keeping us in line. Whether a complicated call or scary call, I know they are beside me. I've been working for sergeant nemeth for about three years now. Probably the best law enforcement leader I've ever worked for. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Finally, squad 209, group of guys and girls who are just exceptional in what they do. When not making fun of me for being old, they are super supportive and teach me things every day. Honestly, any one of them would have been better for this award than me. Thank you to them and thank you to you all. Appreciate it.

9:22:08AM On behalf of Tampa City Council and the entire City of Tampa, this is one of our favorite days of the month. We really appreciate -- this City Council is very appreciative of the folks that wear the uniform and protect us. The numbers speak for it all. The work that you guys do every day keeping our community safe and sound. Thank you to your family for showing up today. Without family support, it's a difficult job to have and to be able to go home and be able to have that family life and put on the uniform every morning to come out for the rest of your family which is all of us in the City of Tampa. So thank you so much for what you do. We're very appreciative. Thank you. [ applause ] thanks, guys. Hey, Brian ford, I see some guys standing against the wall that you guys might need to recruit. Okay. Now I would like to recognize Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

9:23:50AM Thank you very much. All righty. Well, good morning, council. Thank you so much for this opportunity. Today, we are presenting commendations to two wonderful people. First, we are going to acknowledge and honor Mr. Albert Owens, also known as Mr. Bucified Bert for his outstanding contributions to the Tampa Bay community as a role model, philanthropy, and community icon. This commendation recognizes Mr. Owens' 30 years of service to wfla, channel 8, and for his long-standing dedication to uplifting local youth and inspiring future generations to serve with generosity and positive leadership. Bucified Bert scholarship established as part of the bucified and operation legacy emma lee is a live mission reflects Mr. Owens' commitment to preserving the memory and legacy of his mother emma lee. Since 2004, he has honored her memories by giving back to the Tampa Bay community and supporting the educational aspirations of local youth. Through his scholarship, Mr. Owens Awards a deserving high school senior $1,000 toward their education. In addition to his philanthropic efforts, Mr. Owens' unwavering devotion to the Tampa Bay buccaneers has earned him induction into the pro football hall of fame for the professional football ultimate fan association, recognizing his long-standing passion, dedication, and support for the buccaneers and the Tampa Bay community. The message behind bucified, be understanding citizens and identify friendly individuals every day embodies his commitment to kindness, service, and community engagement. It is with great pleasure that the Tampa City Council presents this commendation on this 1st day of October, 2026 to Albert, Mr. Bucified Bert, owens. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:26:20AM Start with your name, first. Thank you so much for this opportunity. My name is Albert owens, aka bucified Bert. As the councilwoman spoke, Naya Young, stands for be understanding citizens identify friendly individuals each day because a stranger can be danger. We want kids to be cognizant of their surroundings and get their education. If you want to put it in two words, bucified, education and awareness. Be cognizant of your surroundings but want to you get that education and everything. I'm thankful for this opportunity. I don't have my mom here, but I do have some others here that care about the program that came over to support the bucified program this morning. As well as scholarship recipients that took time to come over as well. I have a student who won a turkey for me when he was the age of 5. He beat everybody out in the State of Florida for bmx bike riding, and he took the time to come. At the age of 5, he won that, beat everybody in the State of Florida with a bike competition. We've been connected ever since. He liked the program. He graduated from USF and now he's working. But he cares about the program. We don't do what we do as bucified for ourselves. We want to help the next generation. We're going to give him some of the tools we learned over the years, you know, because I started out as a shoe shine boy in Ybor City at the age of nine, so life lessons learned, growing up since then and combined with over 30 years working at wfla tv afforded me an opportunity to kind of like help the next generation. We have katy over here. Katy helped us make some music back in 2010 when she was like 7 years old. Now she's one of our scholarship recipients. So we have some people that make music for us back in 2002, shawn brown. He's over here to support us. And we had some students that came over and they did interviews as we produced shows. Bucified, 30 minutes shows. I didn't go to college to learn that. Observation. I learned so much at channel 8. I used that knowledge to help the next generation and we have carrie Knowles. Come on over to support us as well. Mom, Shirley -- I mean sheila, so I'm kind of a little nervous but trying to be normal with you all. I thought I was going to come over here with the buccaneers 3 and 0. Unfortunately, some of them referees didn't allow us -- [ laughter ] if you all can do something about that, with the referees, it was like unfair what they did to us. At the same time, we are here for a serious moment. I don't want to embarrass the councilwoman for giving me this opportunity. I can't thank her enough. I can't thank you enough for giving me this opportunity. I'm so happy that channel 8 took the time to come by as well. We have somebody over here that I've been going out to dinner with for 25 years, and she's like -- just took her to bern's not too long ago. A graduate from middleton high school. Friend of mine helping us. She is here and her name is jackie wilkins. Her son -- recognize police just recently. Her son is police here. I try to surround myself with positive people. How many minutes do I have? [ laughter ] I just want to make sure I cut it off. Buccaneers don't got me wanting to just talk about other things. I really can't way for the buccaneers to play green bay packers. Since giving me a little bit of time, I'll stop right about now.

Naya Young

9:31:17AM You did good. [ applause ] I just have to say, the great thing about commendations because people are recognized and he's very excited to be here today. Just know that we're doing something really great and positive. He's very excited to be here with us today.

Alan Clendenin

9:31:38AM Your joy and happiness is contagious. To be able to start a meeting like this, I want you to come before every one of our meetings. [ laughter ] or maybe sometimes halfway through the meeting, being drug down into the dirt, have that uplifting. Councilwoman Young and I were just at the police athletic league. We both spoke. Of course, we met a whole lot of kids and how important it is to have this type of activity, role model leadership in the community, of building this next generation of citizens for the City of Tampa. It's so exciting to have people like you understand the importance and especially tying it into sports how important sports are to building the next generation of leaders in our community. Tampa is a sports town, but we're a sports town from the time kids are three, four, five years old, and we build through the community. How many major league players that we've cultivated through all our different types of leagues and folks that have really truly become leaders in their own right and become captains of industry and teachers and every other type in our community, our very own leader of pal, police athletic league, former nfl player that started off in the police athletic league, growing up in Robles park I believe he said. And starting in athletics and then turning into a community leader helping kids every day. It's so exciting. So exciting for you to be here. I don't normally talk this much but I really love your presentations. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:33:15AM Thank you. It's hard to follow you and the gentleman speaking. In fact, when you took your three minutes times six -- [ laughter ] -- but if I was the owner of the bucs, all my helmets would look like your head. They would never lose a game. Blind the opposition. I think we are the best. We have the best councils in the entire nation. Love you guys.

9:33:46AM Take the dark glasses off. [ laughter ]

Luis Viera

9:33:53AM You said it right. We can honor unique people and see them. Sir, in a world of tools, like, you're awesome. You keep it real. You are who you are. I think that is so cool. Just keep on being who you are. We've got to see people for who they are. God bless you.

Alan Clendenin

9:34:19AM Councilman Maniscalco wanted to say something to you.

Guido Maniscalco

9:34:22AM I never met you personally but I've seen you in action, specifically thanksgiving morning you pop into donatello's on dale mabry where they open the restaurant and feed anybody that is hungry. I've seen you there many, many years. Again, you're on tv. I see you on social media. You are very unique in character but always doing something good. Your purpose is always helping somebody or something charitable or lifting somebody up. Your reputation speaks for itself and we're all very honored that you are here and we get to honor you and show the folks at home all that you are and what you do. Thank you very much. I'm out of time.

Alan Clendenin

9:35:08AM I'll bring up -- Brian ford, do you want to come up? I'm not fanatical to be fanatical but I'm fanatical to be phenomenal in the community. Good morning again, council. Thank you so much for recognizing Albert. Yes, he is an ultimate fan of the buccaneers. I love that, but, more importantly, he's been in the hall of fame going on ten years, national football hall of fame for being a fan. But put all that aside, on behalf of the glazer family, the entire organization, we thank you for being a fan, but, more importantly, we thank you for being a role model. Those two words. Because you are a role model for kids, for adults, for everyone. I just want to say thank you. This recognition could not be for a better, more deserving individual. He represents our community and what Tampa, you talk about title town and Tampa Bay, not just on the field, it's what happens in the community. He's making a difference. With kids and, more importantly, with adults, showing the path to do more for kids. Again, thank you. I have a game ball for you but aid little fumble as I explained in the lobby. But it's coming in. You'll have a game ball. You go over and above day in and day out for the community, not just for the buccaneers, but the community. [ applause ] whoo! Thank you all! Thank you all so much! I really appreciate this. How much more time I got? Can I get about three more minutes? [ laughter ] stacy schaible is here. She is our anchor. I wouldn't Miss This for the world. This man has been around -- I've been here 26 years. Brian, I have to tell you, I walk in on a Monday morning after the bucs lose and I'm like oooh. Yesterday he goes, they are still only one game out of the division league. He finds the positive in everything. You are honoring your mother ole. She's looking down and so proud of you. He honors kids that might not be the best athlete or student but they are great human beings. We need more of you. We love you. [ applause ] I'm out of time. I don't want to embarrass nobody.

9:37:36AM Thank you, Councilwoman Young, for bringing that for us today.

Naya Young

9:37:42AM Thank you, council, so much. We have one more commendation that we are presenting today. Thank you again, council. Today, we are also proudly honoring and recognizing Mr. Lesley Les miller for his dedication and service to Hillsborough county, the Tampa Bay community and the State of Florida. Through his distinguished service as a former Hillsborough county commissioner, elected Florida state senator and elected Florida state representative, Mr. Miller Has demonstrated a steadfast commitment to public service and to improving the community he's had the privilege to represent. Mr. Miller will receive the first inaugural Robert bob samuels award of courage for the first annual black men's wellness day October 10, 2026. Award is established in memory and honor of the late Robert bob samuels. Mr. Samuels was the founding chairman of the national prostate cancer coalition, cochairman of the Florida prostate cancer task force, board member of h. Lee moffitt cancer center and research institute, member of university of Florida'S Business School Dean Circle and a former board member of the community foundation of Tampa Bay. Throughout his life, Mr. Samuels Advocated for the increased funding of cancer research and raised awareness for prostate cancer and highlighted the disproportionate impact on African American men. On this first day of October, 2026, Tampa City Council proudly honors lesley les miller and the enduring legacy of Robert bob samuels for their courage, leadership, dedication, and commitment to giving back to the community with the Robert bob samuels award for courage. [ applause ] feel like I have something to do with this being up there. Thank you very much. It's an honor and privilege to be here to receive this award on behalf of Robert bob samuels. I met bob before he moved to Tampa. He lived in New York. He was involved in the urban league and I was on the Board of Trustees. Then he moved to Tampa. Bob contracted prostate cancer and became involved in trying to let men know regards to the race, color, creed, national origin what prostate cancer is about and I came down with prostate cancer and bob was there as I went through the ordeal. Thank the lord I've been prostate cancer free now for 19 years. [ applause ] but bob did a lot in this community to try to get the message across to the importance of getting yourself checked out and not checked in. For those men out there listening in tv land and all of those in here, get yourself checked out and not checked in. Prostate cancer research has come a long way. There's no more of that bending over anymore. You get your blood checked for the psa that tells you everything going on. I'm so happy to be here to receive the first award. I'm fortunate enough today to have his wife here with us, Lillian samuels. Bring a few words with us. Again, thank you so very, very much for this. I served council 56 days. Probably the shortest period of anybody in history. Also had the opportunity to be married to Gwendolyn miller who served up there 16 years. Unfortunately she couldn't be here with us today. I want to thank you for all your hard work. Thank you, ma'am. Again, I feel like I had a lot to do with her being up there. I'll make sure she stays up there if I possibly can. All of you, thank you so very much. [ applause ] my name is lily samuels. It gives me great honor and a special privilege to talk about my husband bob samuels. When I think of bob and those moments that he gave courage to the community and everyone he touched, I think of the times that he went forward even though the difficult times he knew were ahead. Bob grew up in philadelphia during the time when opportunities were not great for people of his skin color. But he persevered. He served in the air force. After that, he became a pioneering black banker in our nation, and he worked for actually one of the major banks in our nation. He later became the first African American vice president in our nation. And he led many things in the banking industry. But bob's greatest act of courage was when he developed aggressive prostate cancer. But he used his medical experience to help other men in their lives pertaining to health. He began educating men about prostate cancer to take responsibility for their health and that building organizations that dedicated to prostate cancer was the road he took to lead. He brought awareness and advocated for prostate cancer research. Bob founded the Tampa Bay men's cancer task force, the Florida prostate cancer network, and he began the founding chairman of the national prostate cancer coalition. Throughout bob's health challenges, he continued speaking, educating, writing, and advocating for men's health. Bob was driven, and he did not give up. His courage turned obstacles into opportunities and personal struggles into a mission to help others. So when I hear the words "award of courage," I know exactly what they represent. They represent perseverance, standing up, even when you know that it's going to be difficult times. Believing that your life has value and using that life to make a difference. Bob spent his life showing that courage is not just simply something to talk about. Courage is something to live. That is the legacy of bob samuels. Thank you. [ applause ] to Mayor Castor and each every one of you, karl lavender. I'm retired but also a cancer survivor. Two cancers -- kidney and prostate. I stand here before you having the baton passed to me in memory of bob samuels, I take that charge. And on October the 10th, we will gather men from all over our city in solidarity to work as hard as we can to get men checked out rather than checked in. Thank you, lily. Thank you, les, thank you to you all. We will conquer this. [ applause ]

9:46:11AM Thank you very much, council.

Lynn Hurtak

9:46:16AM I wanted to say thank you. I'm really glad you brought this forward. As many of you know, I joined the cancer club not that long ago. My push is for everyone -- men and women, to make their annual physical. I really appreciate your focus. All of us who are touched by cancer go through a different focus. I really appreciate what you are doing. Thank you so much. It was a very touching story and great way to start the day. Thank you for especially focusing on prostate cancer and men getting -- getting men to go to the doctor can be a more difficult thing. I really do appreciate you bringing the knowledge that testing has improved. And that's the thing that I talk about as well. I'll bring that you educated me this morning. So I'm going to make sure that I talk about that and the fact that no longer is -- are checkups invasive, necessarily. They are coming up with new blood tests every day, and I just really do appreciate what you all are doing. Solidarity. Especially today, the beginning of breast cancer awareness month.

Alan Clendenin

9:47:28AM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

9:47:30AM Thank you very much. Thank you for talking about the courage of Robert samuels and the people that he continues to help. Congratulations to -- I know you as Commissioner Miller because we got to work together in that period. You brought it up. I was going to say that you were a City Council member here for a brief period, but you are in the history books. I think you do have the book, but you are pictured there. I want to congratulate you and thank you for your many years of service and, of course, your wife who served here for 16 years. This is very well deserved. As council member Hurtak has mentioned, get tested, get screened. Knowledge is power, and knowledge can save your life and a lot of lives in this situation. Thank you very much.

Luis Viera

9:48:17AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman and for you, ma'am, for Mr. Samuels, I served with him briefly on the Hillsborough achievement resource center for people with disabilities. It was 20 years ago. He was a fine gentleman and we salute his legacy. Thank you for your words from the heart and, Commissioner Miller, you are just a gentleman. You are like Mr. Samuels. I remember you are an air force veteran and served right after the formal fall of Jim Crow if I recall. It is a unique time in our military. I always remember that. I always remember you, obviously in the legislature, you were just a tremendous voice for more clarity there. I remember from you, sir, your voice of moral clarity on the confederate memorial in your time in public office, use your unique voice as air force veteran, patriot, person who knows the best of the country to speak moral clarity on that issue and that abomination. You are a good guy. God bless you. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:49:14AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

9:49:16AM Thank you, commissioner and senator, for all you have done. You and your wife are great role models for us in elected office. Your legacies of the area who have set the paths and examples for all of us to follow. So thank you, it's an honor to be in the same room with you. Was glad to say hi earlier. Also want to say I'm very, very happy that there is an award named after bob samuels. I knew him very well. This goes back 20 years in my memory. I think it was chase. He was a very, very senior person with him and traveling all over the place. Might get the story slightly wrong, going back in memory, then he was diagnosed with this and he was not, I think, expected to last very long. But then he lived like another ten or more years because of the treatment. Despite all the weariness from the treatment, he was traveling all over the place. To really create a national prostate cancer coalition from Tampa. I remember when he first was talking to me about it, to do something like that from Tampa and create a national, international presence was a really remarkable thing. Hats off to him for doing that and all the lives he saved. I'll end by saying he said that men in general and I think in particular African American men don't like to go to the doctor every year. He in particular was targeting men, although as my colleague said, everyone needs to get tested. He was pushing heavily the psa test. There are several other tests also that people can get. I think the cat scan and others. But he was saying if we could just get everybody to go for the psa test. You should be doing blood work every year on cholesterol and everything else. Ask them to include that. It should be in your regular annual physical. The annual physical is usually free, I think, in most insurance policies. Just on behalf of bob, I would say please go get those tests done. If you get them done early, it will help save lives as the examples we hear. Thank you so much for keeping bob's memory alive. He was a great person, a positive influence, great leader. I told you in the beginning, when he would sit at lunch and tell me the stories about the treatments, I would almost pass out. He would stop and say, don't pass out. We'll keep going on. He worked really hard on different treatments and research and other things. I'm so happy that you are carrying on his legacy. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:51:54AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:51:55AM Thank you. Echo what everyone said, but especially your wife. I worked with her most of the 16 years. She was SMART, funny, and straight. She would tell you just how she felt and sat right in those two chairs where the chairman is and where Ms. Young Sits. I think she became chair for a couple or four years, something like that. I had the honor of working with her. That's how I met you, sir. She was very funny, believe it or not. Not only on the stage but I think her office where Guido is at in the corner. My office was here. One day I had a council member come and tell me, I don't want my office. I want a bigger office. I said why don't you take mine. She knew what was going to say. When I became chairman, I measured all the offices. I knew somebody was going to ask me about that, and mine was the smallest. I offered that council member This office. She was laughing because she knew that was the smallest. I told her that was the smallest she went back to her old office. That was the type of person she was. I could share information what I had done because I knew sooner or later somebody was going to say my office is too small compared to the rest. The largest office I hate to say is --

Lynn Hurtak

9:53:17AM Mine?

Charlie Miranda

9:53:18AM No, I didn't say that. You turned yourself in. That's the largest one we have. Thank you for yourself and what you've done and Mr. Samuels. Cancer I believe is in every one. It just started by something else and starts festering itself and causing the problem. One cell versus another cell. Cell, cell, cell. That's what it does. Everybody in the City of Tampa has had somebody pass away from cancer. Sooner or later I hope it's solved. Thank you very much for what they have done. My wife is a two-time cancer survivor. Had breast cancer twice. Our daughter had cancer five times. Because she caught it early, she's doing very well. I've had it three times. Early detection will save lives. Thank you for recognizing the police officer of the month, being the father of a retired City of Tampa Police sergeant is vitally important. I prayed for him and every police officer every night going out there on those jobs. You never know what will happen. Again, thank you. Thank you for sharing bob with us. We do appreciate it. Young lady, thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

9:54:27AM Councilman Viera, I don't know what you're talking about. Our offices are like versailles back there. [ laughter ] like a cloak closet in versailles, but they are like versailles. A lot of titles, councilman, commissioner, Representative, Senator, father, a husband veteran, so many titles. Everybody has said everything that needs to be said. I will say, one, thank you for always being a friend. You and I have known each other for many, many, many years, and your lovely life, just give her a big hug for me. I appreciate you and your family and the service that you all have provided for the City of Tampa. The City of Tampa is not the same. It is so much better because of your service and your family service. Thank you so much. [ applause ]

9:55:37AM Rebecca.

Rebecca Johns

9:56:23AM Good morning. Rebecca Johns, Legal Department. I am here to make a presentation upon your request about our Bay area Legal Services program that we have. We started this program in 2022 to help city residents who were having landlord tenant issues. This includes issues with condition of the property or the landlord breaching the contract or eviction. The way the program is set up is city residents call the housing hotline, and then the city, if they meet the requirements for the types of cases, the city will refer those cases to bay area. Bay area then screens them and make sure they meet income requirements and other requirements that the bay area has. In 2022, the city funded up to $75,000. Bay area ended up only expending 2900 of that. There were nine referrals over and bay area handled two cases. In 2023, the city funded again $75,000. Bay area expended 6900. Eight referrals and bay area handled five cases. 2024, city funded again 75,000. Bay area expended 5900. Five referrals and bay area handled three cases. In 2025, the city funded up to $10,000. Bay area actually expended zero. There were two cases, but they build them to a different funding source, so none of the money was taken out of the city funding. A lot of the calls that we get from residents are for rental assistance. Because that's not a legal issue, those cases don't get referred to bay area. So we've been working with bay area to figure out how to better serve more residents. So what we've come up with is a lot of the residents are calling bay area directly, and they are not coming through our hotline. The way the contract is set up right now, we would not fund those cases because they didn't come through the hotline. We are bringing a new contract back to you where residents can directly contact bay area and bay area can draw down on city funding for that. Bay area believes they have enough of the volume that that will take up the city funding.

Luis Viera

9:58:59AM I motioned for this because I visited our friends at legal not long ago and this came up. You think by making the changes and making the hotline. First off, the city funding gets activated by the person using the hotline then.

Rebecca Johns

9:59:12AM Correct.

Luis Viera

9:59:13AM What changes can be made to make that hotline more readily known to folks in the community? Because this is such a critical service, obviously.

Rebecca Johns

9:59:22AM So the hotline is advertised regularly. It's on our website. We put it on publications when we go out. I don't know if it's just that people just automatically call bay area first because they heard about the bay area service. That's why we're trying to take the element out of them having to reach us. That way we can still help those residents that don't come to us first.

Luis Viera

9:59:48AM Yes, ma'am. Yeah, we started this a couple of years ago. I think Ms. Locket is here who had a lot to do with that. She's like, oh, yeah. Who had a lot to do with that. We want to make sure this gets funded. Yeah, Bay area Legal Services is such a godsend in the community. It's funny talking about les miller reminded me of the late judge don castor, the first executive director of legal services after its creation. I know they have a facility named after the late Judge Castor who was just such a good dude and public servant. He was a great guy. What I'll do, if I may, I'll motion for something to come back in three months, a written report, just on whatever changes. I won't be here, but just so that -- I'm saying what I'm going to do. Motion for that to come forward later on, just so that we can keep a handle on it. We want to make sure this is utilized effectively. Thank you as always.

Rebecca Johns

10:00:45AM The new contract will be coming the first hearing in November. That will be for this fiscal year.

Alan Clendenin

10:00:50AM That should take care of that then. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:00:54AM Again, I want to thank you for your work with this. My question -- and thank you for being proactive in trying to find like how we can spend this money and changing the parameters around it. I think that's really important. I'm curious, do you think $10,000 is enough the first year for this pilot? Or do you think maybe like 15,000 might be a better number?

Rebecca Johns

10:01:23AM That is not a legal question. The reason we had taken it down to ten is because we weren't getting the response that we thought that we were going to get. Maybe if we see how this ten goes with the new adjustments to the program.

Lynn Hurtak

10:01:42AM It is coming back to us in November, so I don't know if you still want to do your motion. Hopefully what we can do and we'll talk about this at that time, is maybe bring us an update before the fiscal year in '28 so that we have an idea of how it's being expended. I know bay area always needs more funds. So anything we can do to help people with these issues is so important. It's a really important pillar of our -- yeah, okay. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:02:20AM Can you keep it short? We're running really late.

Charlie Miranda

10:02:26AM I don't know enough about it as far as the financing and where the money is coming from. Who are the other agencies that fund the agency?

Rebecca Johns

10:02:32AM I don't know that.

Charlie Miranda

10:02:35AM I'd like to know before I do anything on this --

Alan Clendenin

10:02:39AM This is a presentation.

Charlie Miranda

10:02:44AM Other agencies much bigger than us that do funding.

Rebecca Johns

10:02:48AM I can find out from them. I'll get back to you directly. I don't have that information.

Alan Clendenin

10:02:52AM Thank you, Councilman Miranda. That concludes our presentations. We ran really, really, really long this morning. We are now going to go to on agenda public comment. This is only for items that are on the agenda. In the audience, how many people are here for item 50, the Equal Business Opportunity? Very good. Normally -- because it was a public hearing, normally you would only speak when the public hearing occurred. Because it is council's intent today to remove them from the agenda, you would not have an opportunity. I felt in deference, but I want to institutionalize that in a vote. Is there any objection to hearing public comment for item 50? Hearing no objection -- [indiscernible] -- so on --

Lynn Hurtak

10:03:40AM You said take off the agenda. Can you state the date?

Alan Clendenin

10:03:44AM For those of you here for item 50, what will happen when we open that public hearing, we are going to move it -- continue it to November 5.

Martin Shelby

10:03:54AM It's past 10:00. You can do it now.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:56AM Can I get a motion to open the public hearing? Can I do it before public comment?

Martin Shelby

10:04:02AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:04:03AM Motion to open public hearing from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Can I get a motion to continue item 50 to November 5? Motion from Councilman Viera --

Guido Maniscalco

10:04:17AM 10 a.m., 315.

Martin Shelby

10:04:20AM Microphone is off.

Alan Clendenin

10:04:22AM November 5, 10 a.m., 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Viera and Maniscalco? Very good. That's a done deal now. We're going to open up public comments for items that are on the agenda. I have your cards in front of me. Not very many today, so that's good. Stephanie poynor, John green, ashley morrow, surgret doss, sandra turrell and James ransom and then sandra. Sandra, you'll be last. Stephanie and John, would you queue up on the wall? Good morning, Ms. Poynor, in your autumn orange. Stephanie poynor. 5 and 6 are appointments to committees. Those appointments should be made for no more than three to six months after the person who is nominating them is going to be in office. We don't have a process, or at least I haven't seen a process, for taking people out of appointed positions. We only -- we barely have a process for putting them into positions. So why are we putting people into positions for two years after the elected official that's nominating them is going to be gone? I don't get it. I keep saying this. We need a consistent policy on committees. I talked to somebody yesterday. I think we need an art committee for the City of Tampa. Charter Review Commission, the discussion last week was one of the most focused and productive that I've ever seen you guys do. You should be so proud of yourselves, because that meeting, it just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I meant to send you guys an e-mail about it all week. But we were missing somebody. The mayor. She should woman up and walk over. She should do it again today at 1:30 and participate in the process as she should have when you guys set up the Charter Review Commission. You had two separate ordinances for it. She didn't want anything to do with it until after everybody sat down at the table. She should be participating in the government process with you guys. She should be here at 1:30 today. The committee brought up something that I think you guys may have missed. The evening meeting for a regular meeting once a month or once every two months just to get people in here in the evenings. Number 63, the process when Councilwoman Hurtak was appointed to council was a pretty smooth process. I'll be honest with you. I do want to point out to you that we had -- I think there were 23 applicants and three of them didn't even live in the city. So this time, it would probably be helpful if the clerk had a way to preapprove those folks because that was districtwide. That was citywide. This is going to be for district 7 only. So how many people are going to waste their time and energy applying for that position and they don't even live in district 7. That's something going to be very important. We don't want to waste everybody on the clerk staff's time by allowing people who don't live in district 7 to apply. The other thing I would like to recommend, last time we had the vote in the morning. Why not do it in the evening? Do a special called evening event for it. That's all I have to say for now. I'll be back. Have a good day.

10:08:03AM Thank you. Good morning, Mr. Green. John green. First and foremost, we want to say on behalf of Bishop Michelle b. Patty, who unfortunately couldn't be here today because of prior obligations and myself, wants to thank you all for the naming of the activity center at Williams park and on behalf of Frank Reddick. Frank Reddick was a good guy. He was a trailblazer in the community. He was quiet, but he was heard at the same time. So naming this center, activity center for Frank Reddick, we appreciate it. That's all I really wanted to say, but to Councilwoman Young, you are the youngest on the dais. And I can appreciate you because you're opening up the doors and you're recognizing people in the community who probably wouldn't have ever gotten recognized. This is what frank was all about. Opening doors. He heard the people. We can appreciate you. Keep doing what you're doing. Don't worry about nothing. We got you.

10:09:23AM Thank you, Mr. Green. Ashley followed by Mr. Doss. My name is ashley morrow. I want to thank the City Council for the opportunity to serve on the Charter Review Commission. I especially want to thank Councilwoman Naya Young for appointing me. I learned a lot serving on this commission, including one very important thing. I am not a politician. What I am is someone who enjoys advocating for people who may not always have a voice or a seat at the table. I am grateful that some of the issues, including the inspector general position and improved project status reporting, along with other amendments and recommendations developed by the commission were discussed last week and it was a very productive meeting. Thank you all. One other idea that came out of our discussions was holding an evening City Council meeting once a month. I continue to believe that is worth considering. Many residents work during the day and simply do not have the ability to be here during regular City Council hours. If we want people to participate in their local government, we should continue looking for ways to make participation more accessible. While we're talking about accessibility, parking is another issue. I believe parking should be validated for members of the public who come downtown to speak during City Council, especially when meetings run for several hours. You will be receiving an e-mail from me very shortly regarding parking validation. Here is an example of other cities that do it so we don't have to reinvent the wheel. Raleigh, South Carolina, oakland park, Florida, san antonio, Texas, san Luis obispo, California, and oakland, California. I really want us to start considering that. Parking is going up, up, up. And I am self-employed. I do not have a veterans license, or whatever, to, like, be able to get free validated parking. If I started adding up -- if you don't come down here, 4.50 an hour for the first hour, 3.50 if you renew. If you don't renew and miss the mark, you do another 4.50. I spent $9 if I want to say for public comment later, it will be an additional cost. If we can figure out how to get validated parking. Start making stickers for people in the public to wear them when you come up. That would be amazing.

10:11:53AM Thank you, ashley. Mr. Doss, Followed by Mr. Ransom. I wanted to say I appreciate the strengthening of item 65. I'm here about the inspector general, of course. I wanted to speak also about the whistle-blower protection. Because too many people in public positions I know see things. You can report these things and a lot of them will say, they fear repercussion or retaliation. Of course, I'm not an attorney and don't pretend to be one. Sometimes the retaliation is easier to prove than the original issue. I learned about that dealing with litigation against united parcel service years ago. To the people out here who are apathetic, you lose democracy when people stop participating, which is why it was shocking to me to know that Tampa did not have an inspector general. I don't know what the ultimate salary will be for this individual or really what the real process is going to be to select this person, but this person has to have a kind of immunity from the people who are, one, going to put him or her in that position. I candidly don't believe that the commission that helps pick them should involve anybody in the judiciary. I really don't. Maybe I'm a little bias because I haven't seen a lot of ethics particularly in this area when it comes to the judiciary. There's been really questionable behavior from people supposedly honorable. Whatever it is or whatever it takes to give the inspector general the variance to what's necessary to hold people accountable and then for those of us who elect these people and other people, and we are actually about a month away. Early voting in two weeks? We'll get to that. My point is, we have to participate. To the young people, I would love to see more of you. If you happen to be a teacher and happen to be watching these things, maybe you ought to tune in for a few minutes every week to watch not just City Council meetings, county commissioner meetings, town halls, whatever it takes to be more participatory in government. Shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

10:14:34AM Thank you, Mr. Doss. Mr. Ransom. First, I want to thank you for -- James ransom. I'm representing the Tampa organization of black affairs and chair of the economic development committee. I've got joining me a couple of members of our Saturday morning breakfast group which all of you are aware of as well. Toba. You know that we appreciate you and the fact that we send you sometimes voluminous information, but we try to conduct our way of communicating with you and the mayor and City staff after becoming well informed about whatever we want to talk with you about. We try to do that in a way that's got civility and diplomacy as part of our process. We don't think it's productive to do it any other way. On the matter on 50, item 50 on the agenda, this is the third time that come before City Council for a second reading and we appreciate you holding that off until November the 5th. I received a call this morning from the mayor on the way here, which was refreshing. We had a little chat. We'll continue to talk with the mayor and the city attorney. We've given them not just a problem, we did not bring a problem that we did not offer solutions in addition to sharing with you our concern. It is going to be totally impossible for toba, our organization, Saturday morning breakfast group, as we represent the special interests of the black community to accept anything that will make it more difficult for the city to be equitable and fair when we represent part of the tax-paying community that happen to be black. Any other affected class that had been previously protected, whether Hispanic or Asian americans, alaskans, veterans, lgbtq, it's just wrong to collect taxpayer money and also wrong to discriminate by race and gender still in america. We want to thank you this morning just to let you know we appreciate it and we'll continue to work on this to hopefully see the city attorney's office do a little more work to find a path, legal path not to discriminate and be fair and equitable to all of the taxpayers who represent the taxpayers in our community. With that I just want to thank you for pushing this back a little bit. Hopefully not doing it all until we find the right way to do it for the right people, which is everybody. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

10:17:14AM Thank you, James. Our last public speaker on on-agenda items is sandra. Good morning, sandra. Start with your name, please. My name is sandra atiles-tyrrell. First of all, thank you for allowing me or us to do some public speaking. Especially welcome to the club that nobody wants to join. I'm two weeks post-op. For my second surgery, I have treatment tomorrow. It's hard for me to come here and you don't understand the discomfort underneath all my clothing, again, two weeks post-op. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you this morning. I'm going to be brief. Like I said, my name is sandra atiles-tyrrell. I'm the owner of sat industrial supplies and solutions. I did speak to you about the opportunities of the program, the EBO program has for our business. Today, I just want to reiterate my motion. I want more small businesses to have the same chance. We know the program needs change. All we ask is that they are fair. Anyways, thank you so very much for the opportunity to speak to you today and have a great day.

10:18:33AM Thank you, sandra. Best of luck with your recovery.

10:18:37AM Okay. That concludes public comment for on-agenda items. We're going to move on to board administration appointments. Is lorene hero or henry moseley in the room? No. okay. Very good. Can I get a motion to approve the appointments?

10:18:57AM Lorene hero and henry moseley. 5 and 6. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Are there any requests for reconsideration of legislative matters? Hearing none, consent agenda. 7 through 8, Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:19:18AM Yes, sir. Before I say that, sandra -- [speaking spanish] gracias. I move items 7 and 8.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:30AM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Councilwoman Naya Young, would you please move items 9 through 12 and 14 through 18.

Naya Young

10:19:42AM I move items 9 through 12 and 14 through 18.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:46AM Motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

10:19:52AM I move items 19 through 22.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:54AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Councilman Miranda, would you move items 23 through 24.

Charlie Miranda

10:20:03AM Move 23 and 24.

Alan Clendenin

10:20:05AM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco to move 23 to 24. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

Bill Carlson

10:20:13AM I'm going to abstain from 31 and 40. I've had extensive conversations with marty. I don't think I have to recuse myself. Since my firm works with the company that may be related to this we don't work on any of these issues related to the city but I'm going to recuse myself in an abundance of caution. I'll abstain from those. Move 25 through 30 and then 32 through 39 and then 41.

Alan Clendenin

10:20:44AM Motion from Councilman Carlson, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Naya Young

10:20:54AM I move items 31 and 40.

Alan Clendenin

10:20:56AM Motion from Councilwoman Young to move 31 and 40. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Martin Shelby

10:21:03AM Mr. Chairman, I will have the forms for council member Carlson to submit.

Bill Carlson

10:21:10AM Can we get the clerk to read it?

Martin Shelby

10:21:14AM Yes. I'm sorry.

The clerk

10:21:15AM Items 22 through 30, 32 through 39 and 41 are passed by Carlson and Maniscalco. Items 31 and 40 passed with Carlson abstaining and Hurtak being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

10:21:35AM 42 through 43.

Guido Maniscalco

10:21:37AM So moved, 42, 43.

Alan Clendenin

10:21:39AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Can I get --

Guido Maniscalco

10:21:47AM Motion to set 44, 46, 47, 48.

Martin Shelby

10:21:54AM Substitutes for 44 and 46 as on your addendum. Actually, they are not substitutes. It's just additional information.

Alan Clendenin

10:22:03AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco to set the public hearings 44 and then 46 through 48. Second from Councilwoman Young. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Very good. We are moving on to the 10 a.m. public hearings. Number 49. We've already opened it. 49. Staff presenting? Do we need staff to present? It's a second reading. I was looking for Ms. Van loan to be here.

10:23:02AM Hold it for a few minutes.

Bill Carlson

10:23:08AM When we talked about 50 during agenda setting you said you want to talk more about the t-shirt thing. Do you want to talk about it now?

Alan Clendenin

10:23:19AM Let's go through the public hearings and do it after that. The people here for business. Put a pin in it. We'll definitely talk about it. The other public hearings that we're talking about today are now quasi-judicial. They require you to be sworn in. If you are here to speak to items 51 through is 56, required to be sworn in. Please stand, raise your right hand. [Oath administered]

10:23:59AM Thank you very much. Item number 51, staff. Who is presenting for 51? I saw somebody online just a moment ago. We're striking out here, aren't we? Item 51?

Martin Shelby

10:24:25AM Could be the staff is not --

Alan Clendenin

10:24:27AM There we go. Apologies for the delay. Brea Dixon, Development Coordination. Item 51 is rez-26-20, this item is a request for rezoning for the property located at 4706, 4708, 4710 West McElroy Avenue. The request is to rezone from RS 75 residential single-family 75 to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family semi-detached and single-family detached. I'm available if you have any questions.

10:24:57AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant. Is there an applicant? Hearing none, anybody in the public who wishes to speak to the item? Motion to close from Maniscalco, second from Miranda. All in favor, aye. I'm sorry. Aide just told me you were here to speak to item 51. Can I get a motion to reopen the public hearings? Motion to reopen the public hearings, Councilman Miranda, second Viera. Ayes have it.

Martin Shelby

10:25:55AM Maybe we can get her a microphone, if we can.

Alan Clendenin

10:26:11AM Thank you. If you would start with your name, please. I live at 4705 west paul, which is directly behind the houses, the town houses they want to build. And we flood. A rain, we flood, the backyard. I'm just worried about more flooding because we went through it with helene. My whole house was destroyed. I'm very concerned that the water is going to come in my backyard. As you can see, I can't do anything about it, especially now that I'm a widow. If the water comes, I mean, in the past, we've had as much as almost a foot of water in the backyard just from rain. I don't know what seven town houses is going to do and a two-story one behind me. That's my biggest concern.

10:27:14AM Very good. The applicant is not here for rebuttal.

10:27:22AM He's not in the -- is the -- has the applicant arrived in City Council? Are you here? He talked so fast I couldn't understand a word he was saying.

10:27:40AM Are you the applicant?

10:27:45AM You are not the applicant. He's coming through security. Do you have anything else to add? Is there anything else you would like to add? Once your time is over, you are over and the applicant will come up and have rebuttal. This is your opportunity to speak. Anything else you would like to add?

Martin Shelby

10:28:07AM Maybe it would be appropriate because the applicant's representative or the applicant is here. I don't believe you've heard what she had to say. Me. The flooding is the biggest issue. That's it, thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:28:31AM Unless you have anything else to say.

10:28:36AM Very good. Thank you very much. Anybody else in the public wishing to speak to this item? Stephanie poynor. As I said during the first hearing, this is a problem. The problem is not necessarily with the single-family homes but with the town houses that are over 50% impermeable surface. Again, I'm going to reiterate that this is a citywide issue, not necessarily this property issue. All of these houses flooded during the hurricane. So you're going to build up all these properties over 50% and then like this lady said -- and when I met with the people who proposed this two years ago, and I don't know if it was the same guy or not. I don't think it was. Be honest with you, I told them you have to talk to your neighbors. You need to go have a conversation with your neighbors. I don't believe there was ever a public meeting about it. But the problem is, it's not the single-family homes that are less than 50%. It's that we allow single-family attached, which are duplexes, to go over the 50% mark. They put a bathtub in the backyard to hold the water, that's not going to cure this lady's issue. This is reality. All of that property flooded. You can't blame the people who are selling this. What you have to do is mitigate for the coastal area action plan which was mentioned in today's agenda. The coastal area action plan said that we should not be building with fill. We should not be going over 50% impermeable surface. Why is it we keep approving projects that go against what FEMA says is best for our community? These homes flooded. So making a decision today about something that's going to make this lady's house flood worse is irresponsible at best. Thank you.

10:30:51AM Thank you. Yes, sir. Come to the podium. Start with your name, please. You'll have three minutes. The property is my property, the property that's in question here. I've lived there for 60 years -- actually, 64 years. The water does not -- water runs off. Linda, I helped her out at her house. Brought in fill dirt. Her backyard runs into my yard and then runs to the ditches. When it rains, it runs pretty easy. She had a pool put back in her house years ago, which prevents the water from her yard running to her ditches in her front yard. It basically runs through my yard. The flood, that was helene. That was a tidal surge. It didn't matter what went on. It was like a nine foot tidal surge. I got flooded. All my houses got flooded. I had 13 inches of water in all my houses. That's the reason I'm selling to a developer so a developer can come in, build stuff there that meets all the codes. My houses were built in 1956. They don't meet any of the current codes at all, zero. By building something new there, it will upgrade the neighborhood, whoever moves there will have a peace of mind because they won't have to worry about their house being flooded. Thank you.

10:32:16AM Thank you, sir. Anybody else in the public wishing to speak to this item? Applicant rebuttal? I did work with staff diligently on proposing an approach to stormwater as shown on our site plan. There is a table on the bottom left that shows pervious and impervious calculations. We have so much greenspace that we can do on-site and surface retention on the property. On the back of the property, we do have a note to call out for landscaping, which over time will eventually serve as a buffer for some of the concerns with stormwater draining onto adjacent properties and serve as attempt for privacy.

10:33:02AM We had discussed the stormwater and runoff during the first public hearing, correct? Point.

10:33:11AM That was my recollection. Asked and answered. Very good. Anybody have questions? Hearing none -- Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:33:20AM I just been thinking more and more --

Alan Clendenin

10:33:23AM Is it a question? Before we close it and then we can have discussion.

Charlie Miranda

10:33:31AM I'll wait until the end of the meeting and I'll make motions that people don't like and I don't care.

Bill Carlson

10:33:44AM Who is the attorney? Ms. Wells back there? I know we've asked this question before, but just for the record, can that kind of testimony in regard to stormwater, can that be competent substantial evidence on a case like this?

Cate Wells

10:33:59AM Cate Wells, Legal Department. Courts have found that factual testimony by neighbors is considered competent substantial evidence. So you would have to weigh the testimony that you heard and whether it was factual in nature and then how it relates to the criteria in the code for approval of a rezoning application.

Alan Clendenin

10:34:21AM Councilman Carlson. I'm sorry. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:34:27AM Thank you very much. I have a question. Really I'm questioning myself. The question is this. What if this council approves anything that's possible that may flood without realizing that it does flood, does a property owner who buys the building, that person could be liable for something that somebody passed that they knew at the time they were buying that they could flood? Anybody can file a lawsuit.

Alan Clendenin

10:35:01AM Who is that question poised to?

Charlie Miranda

10:35:04AM Anybody, developer, lawyer, anybody who wants to answer it.

Alan Clendenin

10:35:09AM Ms. Wells, would you like to come --

Charlie Miranda

10:35:12AM I know it's a difficult question. It is an assumption of fact that could happen, may happen --

Cate Wells

10:35:19AM Cate Wells, Legal Department. I don't know that it's for me to answer the question. You're talking about private property rights.

Alan Clendenin

10:35:25AM And hypotheticals. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:35:28AM Thank you, sir. I got a question. This isn't for Ms. Wells. It's more of we have this nice lady come before us with what is a very sincere question. You are as sincere as you get. God bless you for that and sharing that you are a widow and everything like that. The applicant seems like a very nice gentleman. I remember you from last time. Is there a space where this -- we can have for purposes of giving this nice lady respect, push this off a week so that these folks can talk, including with staff, because this was approved by stormwater, et cetera. Just to give the people here a little bit of respect? Had.

Alan Clendenin

10:36:14AM Mr. Shelby, would you please address what this council should be considering today?

Luis Viera

10:36:20AM I intend to probably vote for this, but I think there is a right way to do this.

Martin Shelby

10:36:26AM If I recall this matter correctly -- the answer is you had your opportunity and the chair told you that. Tried at the first hearing but couldn't get your microphone or camera on. She was trying to be here at first reading. She took the opportunity to be here at second reading. Certainly, number one, this being a separate public hearing for the purposes of your case, it adds to if there is competent, substantial evidence that you can address if it's relevant and necessary to your decision. But with regard to continuing this, the issue was that at first public hearing there was issues with regard to the stormwater, as council chair has indicated. Again, you have heard that under your code, issues with regard to stormwater are handled at the permitting stage. Sometimes in this case you heard testimony that it is addressed, if necessary, on the site plan, and that according to the testimony has been done. But there is no provision in the code that would allow council without the consent or the desire of the applicant to be able to continue this. It wouldn't be just for a week, frankly. Because next week is CRA. It would have to be continued for a minimum of two weeks. So my suggestion is that if you wish to raise the issue as a request, you certainly can. But there is no obligation under the code that would require council to do that at this time.

Alan Clendenin

10:38:26AM Can I get a motion to close? We can discuss it after we close.

Guido Maniscalco

10:38:34AM Can we make a continuance motion after we close? Let's leave it open.

Alan Clendenin

10:38:39AM You can't continue it unless the applicant wants to do that.

Guido Maniscalco

10:38:43AM Let me bring up Mr. Rios. Mr. Rios, would you be open to continuing this for two weeks considering she has several concerns. She did try to log in just to be fair. As Councilman Viera said, to be as respectful as possible and see if anything else can be explained or worked out, any further details that have been left out? Of course, I think there is good intent behind the request. I will say that the overall -- I understand the broader concern of stormwater. I do think there's like, for a partial townhome and single-family development, we have a lot of greenspace here, almost 50%. We have the calculation on the left-hand side that shows some of the additional regulations we had to bypass -- or comply with. On top of that, we have a landscape buffer at the back. A rear neighbor would over time -- there's less of a chance of stormwater affecting their property. To answer the question, I'd have to speak with the applicant -- or the owner of the property.

Martin Shelby

10:39:59AM You can hold it for that purpose.

Guido Maniscalco

10:40:01AM Can we hold it and go back to the previous one?

Alan Clendenin

10:40:12AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:40:13AM I want to add in, I can't exactly count votes as I'm listening to everybody. Seems like approved on first reading, probably would like to approve it, but the neighbor has very legitimate concerns. It would help a lot if you all could meet with her and address those concerns and ideally when it comes back --

Alan Clendenin

10:40:38AM I'm going to -- is Michelle Van Loan in the room? You are. Very good. We're going to hold this hearing for 15 minutes to give the interested parties an opportunity to sidebar outside. We'll get a move on and have one more issue. When you guys are done with the sidebar, if you would come back in.

10:41:13AM Have a sidebar conversation with you and the property owner and concerned citizen. If you would take it out into the lobby, have that sidebar. When you are done, come back in, but we'll move on to another agenda item. Okay?

10:41:25AM Very good. Thank you. We are moving on to item number 49. Recognize Michelle Van Loan. Michelle Van Loan, real estate. Thank you for your patience. This is the second reading of the ordinance to honor council member Frank Reddick for all of his service to both this council, the City of Tampa, and to his community. This is the second reading. We do have Ms. Nelly Brenson to represent the family who would like to say a few words on behalf of the honoree. And we also have community support for this.

Guido Maniscalco

10:42:10AM The Chairman Will step out, before the vice-chairman takes the gavel, as mentioned before about council member Reddick who has always been a friend to me, he was always very supportive of me. When I first won back in 2015 and I'll never forget that. My office is actually council member Reddick's office. His desk or my desk is his desk. I never changed the furniture. I changed the frames on the wall because, you know, things change. Other than that same chair, same desk, same everything. I do it just to remember him. Knowing that he sat there. I don't want to change anything because he was very special to me and very special to many people in the community. I attended his funeral. I stopped by rest haven not too long ago to pay my respects and another colleague, former council member Harry cohen, we all served together. He was asking me so he could pay his respects. We always remember him. And this is a small token of appreciation that we can do to remember council member Reddick who did so much with sickle cell, with the City Council. I'll tell you another story before I pass the gavel. Council member Reddick and I were at a candidate forum in 2011 because I ran the first time but I didn't win. We were in Palmetto Beach. Ybor City, Palmetto Beach, like a joint candidate forum. He tells me, we have 25 City Council candidates. He goes, I'm the only City Council candidate that's president of their neighborhood association. And that inspired me to get more involved in my neighborhood association in West Tampa. I later became president. He's touched a lot of lives. Touched my life significantly, and I'm very grateful to him. I will pass the gavel. There you go.

Lynn Hurtak

10:43:59AM Thank you. Who was next?

Charlie Miranda

10:44:03AM Just on Mr. Reddick, if I may --

Lynn Hurtak

10:44:07AM Do you want to wait until after the presentation?

Charlie Miranda

10:44:09AM I'll wait.

Lynn Hurtak

10:44:11AM Excellent. Go right ahead. Please start with your name. Reddick, standing with other cousins, Louis and bev brenson and rick graves and north view hills community members cheryl ann levy association president. On behalf of Mr. Reddick's family, north view hills community, friends and associates, we wish to thank the Tampa City Council members and director Ms. Michelle Van Loan and staff for approving the naming of the activity center building at Williams park after Mr. Reddick. There's no greater obstacle, trusting for something to turn up instead of going to work and turning up something. That's what frank did. He took great pride in striving who help implement various improvements for the neighborhood as well as for people living in the City of Tampa. Again, on behalf of the family of Mr. Reddick, thank you.

10:45:22AM Thank you so much.

Charlie Miranda

10:45:25AM I can only say this. I had a pleasurable time working with him. I remember about frank most, the nickname that I get him. One day coming out of the office. Frank, you remind me of something. He said what. Silent thunder. Nobody hears you until it's too late because after that you have them. I really enjoyed working with him. He was a wonderful, wonderful human being. That's all I can say because that's what he was. A loving guy that loved everybody. He did very well for what he did for the community every single day. I was honored to sit next to him and have the office close to him.

Lynn Hurtak

10:46:07AM Thank you. Council member Carlson.

Bill Carlson

10:46:10AM Yeah, it is a big loss not to have him around anymore. As an activist before I got on council, he was a mentor. We also talked about issues all the time. I was proud to be part of the community effort to push to get him to become chair. Was he three times chair? I can't remember. Twice. He did a great job of that. He always stood up for what he believed in. There were a lot of big fights in the community, without going into the details, a lot of big fights in the community where he stood up for what was right. We in the community organized folks to help support him. He was always on the side of right. And then when I got on council, he would regularly call me with his opinions, too. I appreciated it because sometimes he would give me insights didn't have. Sometimes tell me I did something wrong which I appreciate or something he disagreed with. Sometimes he called just to talk. I appreciate the other way, too, where I could call and get his advice because of his tenure and wisdom, he knew a lot of things that we newbies didn't know. Even when his health was declining, he still would pick up my call and sometimes call me. I appreciate him and miss Him so much. I appreciate everybody working at naming something after him. Thank you.

Naya Young

10:47:37AM I feel like the theme for today is honoring people, great people in our community. It gave me great pleasure to do this motion, but also to continue Mr. Frank Reddick's legacy. I think you can tell a lot about a person by what people say about them. As you can hear what other council members said, he was a great man and this is a small token of our gratitude for everything he has done for the community. I'm looking forward to seeing this community center. Thank you so much for being here.

Alan Clendenin

10:48:10AM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:48:12AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's good to see everybody, including NAACP unsung hero, Vivian kitchen. Can't wait for Saturday. I'm glad this is coming forward. Councilman Reddick, I served with him about two years. A story that sticks out with me, we were getting briefed on the ferry, Interbay ferry. We had a person who was here presenting, forgot who it was. Councilman Reddick says, how much promotion have you done for the ferry in East Tampa? How many black folks ride the ferry? He asked that. The guy was like -- you know. It kind of changed my perspective on the ferry a little by him asking that question. I remember another time, he had his opinions on Ybor City, the roosters, the chickens, all that stuff. And we had a staff briefing on it. Sometimes you say things. The minute you say things, why did I say that? I said, why don't we do a workshop. A workshop on chickens, what are you thinking, Luis? He was a nice gentleman. Glad to see this through. God bless you guys. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:49:25AM Councilman Reddick was a friend of mine. Sometimes he wasn't so nice. He was a fighter. He bit on to an issue and wouldn't let go. He made sure that he was fighting for the people he represented and fighting for the city values he represented. He really truly was a role model. And it's good to see Ms. Kitchen. We're very happy to do this. Thank you, Councilwoman Young, for bringing this forward. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

10:49:58AM File hn 26-26534, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, approving the naming of the activity center at Williams park located at 4362 East Osborne Avenue in Tampa, Florida, to honor frank a. Reddick, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:22AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. I have a second from Councilman Miranda. Roll call vote, please.

Luis Viera

10:50:31AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

10:50:31AM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

10:50:32AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

10:50:34AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

10:50:35AM Yes.

Naya Young

10:50:36AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:50:37AM Yes.

The clerk

10:50:39AM The motion passes unanimously. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

10:51:06AM Let's move on to 52. Item number 52, is there staff?

Christopher Demanche

10:51:57AM Good morning, council. Christopher Demanche with Development Coordination. Agenda item 52 is rez-26-23. This is a rezoning request for the property located at 104 South Tampania Avenue and 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard. This request is to rezone from Planned Development to Planned Development to allow for Medical Office and Business Professional Office uses. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:52:27AM Council have any questions? Hearing none. I saw individuals have come in since we swore people in. If you are here to speak to any of the public hearings, you have to be sworn in. If you have not been sworn in, would you please stand? Anybody not sworn? [Oath administered]

10:52:50AM Thank you so much. Is there an applicant? You have any questions. Otherwise, we respectfully request approval on second reading.

10:53:02AM Council have questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to item 52? I have a motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Viera, you were absent at first vote. Did you review the record?

Luis Viera

10:53:18AM Did I not. Can we have a 20 minute continuance? Just joking. I did. Of course. Oh, yeah.

Alan Clendenin

10:53:25AM Councilman Carlson, would you like to read item 52? All those in favor of closing say aye. Ayes have it. Thank you.

Bill Carlson

10:53:33AM Move item 52, file rez-26-23, ordinance rezoning property -- ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 104 South Tampania Avenue and 2522 West Kennedy Boulevard in the City of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification PD, Planned Development to PD Planned Development, Business Professional Office, Medical Office, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:02AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Roll call, please.

Guido Maniscalco

10:54:08AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

10:54:08AM Yes.

Naya Young

10:54:09AM Yes.

Luis Viera

10:54:11AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

10:54:12AM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

10:54:13AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:14AM Yes.

The clerk

10:54:14AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:16AM Thank you. 53.

Christopher Demanche

10:54:18AM Christopher Demanche, Development Coordination. Item 53 is rez-26-34, this is a rezoning request for property located at 4400, 4410, and 4488 West Boy Scout Boulevard. The request is to rezone from Planned Development to Planned Development for bank with drive-through, office, Business Professional Office, hotel with accessory commercial, restaurant, and bar lounge. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:49AM Any questions, hearing none, applicant? Here to answer any questions. Otherwise, we would request approval.

10:55:03AM Any questions? Hearing none. Anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item. Motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:55:13AM Move an ordinance presented for second reading and adoption. Ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4410, 4400, 4488 West Boy Scout Boulevard in the City of Tampa, more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification PD Planned Development to PD Planned Development, bar/lounge, bank drive-in, hotel, office, restaurant, and all commercial general, CG uses, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:39AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Roll call, please.

Lynn Hurtak

10:55:43AM Yes.

Naya Young

10:55:44AM Yes.

Luis Viera

10:55:45AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

10:55:46AM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

10:55:47AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

10:55:48AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:50AM Yes.

The clerk

10:55:52AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:53AM Thank you. 54. Congratulations. Bria Dixon, Development Coordination. Agenda item 54 is rez-26-61. This item is a rezoning request for a property located at 205 South Fremont Avenue. Request is to rezone from RM 16 residential multiple family to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family, semi detached and single-family detached. Revisions have been completed and certified plans submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available if you have any questions.

10:56:25AM Council have questions? Hearing none, applicant. This was the one site plan that you requested that the driveway length be lengthened from 18 to 20 feet. That has been done and certified by the City staff. Respectfully requesting your approval.

10:56:43AM Council have any further questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. All in favor, aye. Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

10:57:02AM File rez-26-61, ordinance being presented for a second reading and adoption, ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 205 South Fremont Avenue, in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RM 16, residential, multifamily, to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family, detached and semi detached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:26AM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Miranda. Roll call, please.

Naya Young

10:57:29AM Yes.

Luis Viera

10:57:31AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

10:57:31AM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

10:57:32AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

10:57:34AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

10:57:35AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:36AM Yes.

The clerk

10:57:36AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:40AM Councilwoman Young, would you move the resolution?

Naya Young

10:57:42AM I move the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:43AM Motion from Councilwoman Young to move the resolution associated with 54. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. 55. Rez-26-64, rezoning request for property located at 6200 and 6202 Interbay Boulevard, 6206 south 6th street, 6205 and 6207 South Martindale Avenue. Request is to rezone property from Planned Development to Planned Development for residential single-family detached uses. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available for any questions.

10:58:22AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, hop along. Petitioner. Happy to answer any questions.

10:58:32AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:58:44AM File rez-26-64, ordinance presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 6200 and 6202 Interbay Boulevard, 6206 south 6th street and 6205 and 6207 South Martindale Avenue, in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification PD, Planned Development, residential, single-family detached, to PD, Planned Development, residential, single-family, detached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:59:16AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Viera. Roll call vote, please.

Bill Carlson

10:59:20AM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

10:59:21AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

10:59:22AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

10:59:24AM Yes.

Naya Young

10:59:26AM Yes.

Luis Viera

10:59:27AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

10:59:28AM Yes.

The clerk

10:59:29AM The motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

10:59:31AM Thank you. 56. 56 is rez-26-66, rezoning request for property located at 2910 East Clark Street. Request is to rezone from RM 16 to Planned Development for residential single-family attached uses. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available for any questions.

10:59:55AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant?

11:00:07AM Any questions? Hearing none. Anybody in the public? Motion to close from Maniscalco and second from Miranda. Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:00:16AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2910 East Clark Street in the City of Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RM 16 residential, multiple family to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family, attached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:32AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Roll call, please.

Charlie Miranda

11:00:36AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

11:00:37AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

11:00:38AM Yes.

Naya Young

11:00:39AM Yes. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

11:00:43AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:44AM Yes.

The clerk

11:00:44AM Motion passes unanimously with Viera absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:57AM How is the progress outside? 57. I'm here for the brick street removal. I was in front of you in October of 2024 for our first block of Twiggs Street between ashley and Tampa. This part will be from Tampa to Florida. I'll show you what we're going to do on twiggs. Twiggs Street will remain brick. It will remain brick all the way from ashley all the way to Florida. The wall will remain brick. We're removing brick here. This block we're removing some brick here where the current parking spaces are. We're going to widen that sidewalk, make it larger. As you can see, we're still going to have on-street spaces both on the north and south side. The next block is the block between franklin and Florida. That will be, again, the brick street will remain brick but the parking on the north and south side as well as there's going to be now a cycle track that will run all the way to Nebraska. That's pretty much it. I have riley park who is the project manager on this for mobility. Do you have any questions?

11:02:41AM Council have any questions? We already heard this. This is 2.0. This is the first reading. We'll come back with second reading for resolution. It's ready. It's only one reading.

11:02:52AM Very good. That's all we need to do?

11:02:59AM Motion to approve. Is there an associated resolution? Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none.

11:03:12AM Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. What do we approve if there's no resolution? Motion to approve --

Lynn Hurtak

11:03:22AM Motion to approve the request.

Alan Clendenin

11:03:23AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you so much. We're back to item -- is Mr. Rios here? Mr. Shelby, reference our conversation, I would like to you recapture that. If I need to fill in the blanks, I will. Councilwoman Hurtak was only present for a portion of the hearing. Since she did not hear all the evidence, she is going to step out and be absent at vote.

Martin Shelby

11:04:00AM Did you want to recap what the vote was at first reading?

Alan Clendenin

11:04:04AM Item 51, this hearing was held. It was a unanimous vote to move to second reading. There are a couple of things I would like to clarify. Were there any waivers associated with the item?

Martin Shelby

11:04:20AM That's a question for staff.

Alan Clendenin

11:04:22AM I was staring over at staff. Ms. Dixon, any waivers associated with 51?

Bria Dixon

11:04:32AM There are no waivers associated for this request.

Alan Clendenin

11:04:34AM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

11:04:35AM Mr. Chairman, there may have been a misunderstanding that council had the authority to initiate a request to continue this. After discussion, Mr. Chairman, I want to share in the discussion, it became clear that there was a confusion. I just want that to be clear to council that the case is ready to be heard. There has been testimony. I just want to be clear that at this point in time with regard to staff, staff's role in this case is complete. For them to take a continuance for the purpose to talk with staff is not appropriate. This case has been through the design review committee. They have generated a report. They have issued their recommendation. And that would not be an appropriate purpose for a continuance. So that being said, I just want it to be clear that it is not a code requirement at this point in time at second reading because of whatever testimony was taken that a continuance would necessarily be in order.

Alan Clendenin

11:05:49AM For the applicant and for the owner and concerned citizen on this issue, so what you're hearing is we had a first reading where we heard competent substantial evidence. This, of course, is the second. We heard your evidence today that you provided as an adjacent homeowner. We take all of that evidence and take it into account and we move forward on a decision based on that. With all the evidence we had on the first reading, the decision was unanimous. We would call for a vote today. Would you -- petitioner, would you like to add anything?

Martin Shelby

11:06:25AM The petitioner.

Alan Clendenin

11:06:27AM We can hear you. Go ahead. I'll give you the deference with the disability, yes. One-story house behind me. And that's a two-story house behind me, which makes me happy. He said that the elevation -- the foundation is going to start at 6 feet, so that will be above mine, I know that was going to happen. I thought it was -- [inaudible] -- feet. That makes me happy. He also said they have to address the drain -- the stormwater. If they don't, they would rectify it.

11:07:16AM Mr. Rios, would you like to come to the podium, please? Would you like to answer the question for the record, please? Just for context, her property is very close, not quite in alignment but very close to the east side of the proposed seven units. It is not entirely the single story. More like half and half. If you are standing in her backyard, you would see a single story on the right. You would see a two-story on the left, just to clarify that portion there. With the stormwater, yes, it is something we have to comply with code. There are no waivers for stormwater have to fully comply with code. Again, yes, there are townhomes on this property, but, again, this is very different from a traditional high density townhome development. The overall site is less than 50% hard scape.

11:08:12AM Staff, can you please confirm the testimony that was just provided? I can't hear. I see the captioning but didn't hear the question.

11:08:24AM The question was, can you confirm the testimony provided, two assertions that were made. One about the layout of the homes, the two-story versus the concerned citizen and her home. What was going to be behind her that she was going to be basically half and half. Half a single story, half a two story. And that stormwater would be dealt with. I think we all know that. Stormwater is dealt with has to be dealt with.

Bria Dixon

11:08:54AM If I can share my screen for one moment.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:56AM Yes, please.

Bria Dixon

11:08:57AM Here is the map of the subject parcels. I'm not sure exactly which house the applicant -- eastern side, maybe it's this one here.

Alan Clendenin

11:09:11AM 4705 is your home -- 4705 paul. Can you tell what the addresses are on there? I can't read them.

Bria Dixon

11:09:19AM One second. I have an additional map. The parcels here in red, subject property 4704 paul --

Alan Clendenin

11:09:39AM South side. Ma'am, which home is yours?

11:09:46AM Third from the right. The one with sidewalk and driveway, the car in the driveway. That's your parcel. Mr. Rios, can you come to the podium and explain what the development will be behind? The right one is around 113 feet wide. The single story home will take up the right 65 feet of that one. And then adjacent to that is a 50-foot wide lot with a two-story structure. You can see both from there.

11:10:27AM Very good. Is everybody satisfied and everybody happy? This is highly unusual, but, yes, go ahead. All seven units, not just --

11:10:50AM Okay. Can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Very good. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:11:03AM Item 51, rez 26-20, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4706, 4708, 4710 West McElroy Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RS 75, residential single-family to PD Planned Development, residential, single-family detached and semi detached, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:11:29AM Motion from Councilman Miranda. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. Roll call vote, please.

Charlie Miranda

11:11:35AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

11:11:37AM Yes.

Naya Young

11:11:40AM Yes.

Luis Viera

11:11:41AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

11:11:42AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

11:11:43AM Yes.

The clerk

11:11:43AM Motion passes unanimously with Hurtak absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

11:11:48AM Thank you very much. Let's move on to 58. This is the first reading of an ordinance granting a franchise to Robles Park, LLC, Robles Park Village Development Group, LLC and rpv parcel d, L.P. City code prohibits any person to use public right-of-way for services unless they have been granted a franchise. For the Robles park affordable housing development, which is now under construction, there is a stormwater pipe that goes from their private property across the right-of-way to their private property. This really isn't what you see when we talk about franchise agreements. Usually this is for somebody like verizon or frontier. However, this circumstance, it meets the code requirement there be a franchise. This would grant Robles a franchise to have the stormwater pipe across the right-of-way and they would pay a franchise fee to the city of $2500 a year for 20 years. I'm here if you have any questions. Developer's counsel is here if you have questions.

11:12:55AM Does council have questions? Hearing none, is there anybody in the public who wishes to speak to the item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, would you like to read this, please?

Bill Carlson

11:13:12AM Move item 58, da 26-26530, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance granting to Robles Park, LLC, Robles Park Village Development Group, LLC, rpv parcel d, L.P., its successors and assigns, a nonexclusive franchise to use a portion of North Avon Avenue in the City of Tampa, to construct, access and maintain stormwater improvements and prescribing the terms and conditions under which said nonexclusive franchise may be exercised, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:13:49AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. We'll go to off agenda item public comment.

The clerk

11:14:05AM Second hearing and adoption date held on October 15, 2026 At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:17AM Sitting there so quietly, I forgot. This is your opportunity for off agenda public comment concerning City of Tampa business. If you are here to speak to off agenda items, your name should appear on this list. I'll read the first few names so you can be queued up. Stephanie poynor, Mr. Hays, Ashley morrow. Remember, this is off agenda items but related to City Council business. Ms. Poynor. I want to remind everybody while I get my ducks in a ROW, last day to register to vote is October 5 and you can register online. I want to talk just for a couple of minutes about this list. This is the CIP which stands for capital improvement projects for the City of Tampa. This list is for parks and rec only. Anybody see anything that starts -- wait, salinas park is on there. That's the only one that starts with an s on there. I found this nifty piece of information about swann park improvements. I really want to you pay particular attention to this little map right here. Hopefully it will clear up. Notice this is a park that is close to the expressway in between the new aldi and new expressway. What's funny is that when I google swann park this morning, there's already a swann park in the City of Tampa that's over here in Bayshore Beautiful. Beach Park. Thank you. I want to go back to this one. Where did this thing come from? Why is it here? Why have neighbors not been consulted about it? Why is it being discussed? I think it's 6 to $8 million. Also, the first list that I saw of robbing peter to pay paul for this park. Now, mind you, I don't want anybody to say that this area has not gotten any funding because kate Jackson's playground was completely redone in the last two years. I would also like to point out this is the second list. I received a list last week that had a couple of Sulphur Springs projects on it, and everybody went back paddling and, no, we're not going to take the money from Sulphur Springs anymore. Now we have this new park on swann called swann park. Who is in charge of this? Why are we naming parks that are already named parks? But I'm looking at some of this and it makes no sense. Dock replacement. Don't you think that might be a safety issue that should be addressed before we build something new? Oh, restrooms and storage. My goodness. We need to be spending our money on restrooms at parks that already exist. We've got -- don't get me started on these veteran memorials. I live with a veteran and still have a big issue with them. $300,000 that you spent on the one in Port Tampa was bs at best. Wells wood church, which has been promised for years. Playground surfacing to protect our children. I want to know what is going on with swann park. This is shady af. It is shady. We all know it is shady. If it wasn't, guess what, it would be on this list right here. I have an issue with this showing up out of nowhere. Where did it come from? Please explain it? Please ask the right questions. Ask somebody to come and present where the money is coming from. Rob peter to pay paul.

11:18:03AM Cairo, ruff-ruff. Grand rising. Good morning, City Council women, City Council men. Mr. Hayes, president of cairo and friends. First and foremost, I want to acknowledge Ms. Hurtak. Thank you very much for sharing your journey and being courageous and so forth and with allowing this whole morning has been positive. I don't want to get, trip over my words, but there was an incident that happened roughly two weeks ago. With the sentiment that has happened today, I could not see what individuals would have more than likely be subjected to. It's very concerning that this is a place for the public. And for the public to have the opportunity to speak and feel safe. I don't know all the details that happened. But for that individual to be a professional athlete. I'm talking about Mr. Warren Sapp. For him to be arrogant and at the same time he should not be ignorant, it shows that our community should do better and I'm aware, the public is aware, more than likely frivolous lawsuit that he filed against the City of Tampa will probably be met with a dismissal due to the fact of this place has regulations and it's to be a peaceful place for the community to have an opportunity to speak and not fear anything. I know there will be some people that will disagree about my remarks, but there's videos out there, for the gentleman to be flicking off City Council members and so forth is just distasteful. For his stature, for his -- but he has to offer is very confusing. Let alone with that, I just want to highlight what we were able to do this weekend at Curtis Hixon Park. Thank you very much. The glazer children's museum. This was their 16th birthday bash. We participated in four of them and through just long hard work, perseverance and dedication, they allowed us to be a main attraction. Here is a 22 second clip of just some fun activities with the children. That was just an activity. He was over there. He wasn't playing. I just wanted to highlight that. Once again, thank you glazer children museum for allowing us to be a high attraction, nonprofit organization. Again, thank you, City Council members, women, and you all have a great day. Today was just a beautiful sentiment. I do want to leave with this. Ms. Ashley, we need to come up with something. I'm out about 20 dollars right now. With parking. Work some type of voucher program across the street. Is that the hyatt right there.

11:21:31AM You know I love you, but your time is up. I didn't know that. Thank you.

11:21:37AM Bye, cairo. Bye my friend. Ashley morrow followed by surgret doss. I'll be sharing Tampa's black history. So where we left off last time clarifies negro hospital and that amazing bust exhibit that is on the riverwalk. One of the claims connected to clara fry is she operated the first black hospital in Tampa. That is actually not true. There was an earlier hospital. Notice I did not say it was Tampa's first black hospital either because I'm still researching that. Let's not get stuck on the who was first. I want to introduce you to the earlier hospital that existed before clara fry. This hospital was associated with a man by somebody I've been mentioning over and over again, Thomas mcknight. As early as 1899, clara fry got started in 1907, newspaper reports tell us Thomas mcknight and other black citizens sent communication to Tampa City Council stating that they were engaged in what the newspaper described as a laudable effort to establish a charitable hospital for black residents. They asked the city either to donate a lot or give them favorable terms for purchasing one in the mitchell subdivision along Florida Avenue to use as the hospital site. One councilman, Mr. Holmes, said he believes that council should be liberal with the proposal because institution like this was badly needed. Chief Harris informed council that the lot they were requesting had already been purchased by the city for the purpose of a fire station. So the matter was referred to the fire committee. About a week later, another newspaper report said that Mr. Web Recommended that the lot requested by the organization -- organizer of the keller hospital be leased to them without charge and that the city attorney prepare the necessary paper work. Then the following month, a resolution was adopted, donating the use of the city lot on Nebraska Avenue and India as the site for the proposed hospital for black residents while the city retained ownership of the property. Now we'll go into the 1900 just a little bit because we still have not left 1800s yet. Still 1899. Thomas mcknight was asking the city for a gas lamp at what was described as the new colored hospital at the corner of Nebraska and India street. A couple of weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago, I talked about Tampa's small pox scare back in 1899. During that period, doctors were deputized to report people who refused vaccination. Anti-vaxer, Rosa Jackson, assaulted by a Tampa Police officer named officer woodard. Forget his first name right now. Officer woodard was talked about by a black reporter in his paper and that black reporter was murdered in a bar. We'll talk about that next week. Thank you.

11:24:59AM Thank you, ashley, as always. Mr. Doss, Followed by Robin Lockett, followed by carolyn Quinn. Is taking care of, and it goes to 24 and 65. I know what it is like to battle giants with nominal resources. For nearly 20 years, now economic necessity, I've represented myself from Hillsborough county courthouses to the united states supreme court. I understand that you don't win by shouting on social media. You win with sweat equity. Change doesn't require violence, but it does require commitment. To those who are on social media, I'm here to tell you that anybody can shout safely from a box. That ain't hard to do. Change is also reciprocity, revolution. Revolution doesn't have to be violent. The book says we're surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses. My heroes march. They sat in, they stood at podiums like this one right here. They were demonstrators and they demonstrated often at a great cost, personal cost. They didn't scream from safe distances. They participated up close. I decided to put a couple of my own cases to the side to do what I think is a greater work. To those who have been told that this building isn't for you, it is, particularly in our community. Every rule that touches your lives and your children's lives is made in a room like this, whether here, at the state level, or otherwise. You don't need a law degree. You just need to sign a damn sign-up sheet and use your three minutes. To you all in office, the tools are already there. You all sometimes refuse to use them. Take the -- and child support. When the state gets it wrong, real people pay. It's cost people their licenses, their jobs, their relationships and many people their peace of mind. I know the council can't control the state agency, but you can pass a resolution asking a legislator -- legislative auditing committee for an audit and take it to the Hillsborough legislative delegation, place that resolution on a future agenda for the people. To the people out there watching, as I said before, why don't you come down here. If you can't come down here. Shoot. Sign up online. Do that from the comfort of your phone. In that book, a lot of folks love to thump the most -- he reached out for a man standing in the gap for the people. Sometimes people look to you all to be somebody to stand in the gap for somebody else. He didn't find any. Unfortunately, we're not finding a lot of people who stand in the gap for other people. To the public, anybody can come in, anybody can talk online. Let's find somebody to stand in the gap for people, especially the young people. Shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, the university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

11:28:21AM Thank you, Mr. Doss. Robin Lockett, carolyn, Fran Tate. This will be quick. First, do something fun. Don't walk out the door yet. The greatest institute is Tampa Bay tech. Was and still is today. But I wanted to thank council for approving the ordinance today in regards to Frank Reddick. Great human being. Ran the sickle cell agency, but it was well deserved. Thank you, Councilwoman Naya Young, for charging forward with that. Because a lot of times people don't receive their flowers when they are here. It's left for the family to receive the flowers when they are gone. So I appreciate that. I want to also thank -- I'm full of thankfulness today. Charter review board. I think their effort was grand. I think there were good things that came out of those meetings. Especially -- is it inspector general? Inspector general. I really think for me that was the best thing, right? Again it allows council to move forward. I want to thank ashley morrow for her being the chair, selecting the chair, sitting in it, being new at it, understanding it, and moving that group forward. So I appreciate that. I already did my clarity about who is the greatest institution. Thank you, council. That's all I have.

Bill Carlson

11:30:20AM Robin, do you know which school in Hillsborough county has the highest graduation rate with 99.1%?

11:30:29AM With a 76% students on free and reduced lunch.

Alan Clendenin

11:30:34AM I am not going to separate you. Bay tech in '82. I didn't realize the importance of us going, with us, because I lived in Robles park, get up at 6:00 in the morning to get to school on time. But that process, we were intentional in leaving our community school because I was slated to go to the Hillsborough. We didn't have the camaraderie of our community school. We had to build camaraderie about Tampa Bay tech. That's why our alumni today is so strong, because we built family with that and it still goes today. I am a proud graduate. I don't sit sideline. I still participate, still involved. I'm a proud graduate of Tampa Bay tech. And I play basketball for tech.

11:31:38AM Carolyn, followed by Fran. Carolyn, are you here? Okay. Start with your name, please. I also go by carrie for first name or wasienewski.

11:32:00AM I wasn't going to try that part. 3220 West Granada Street. I am concerned about the impact that water main construction has had on my house. What brought me here in the first place as I was doing online research, I saw some material about work being done around my house, possibly related to a new zoning. I'm specifically here for my house. I live on a corner of granada and ferdinand. There was a large water main project in that area. A lot of it -- I was told I was like a -- I was told I was like a connection point or something like that. If you could see the date -- July 28, '25. You can see, this is outside of my kitchen window. You could see between my window frame and where the person is standing. He's on the street. This is all occurring in my yard on my property. You can see how far -- how deep the hole is and the guy standing there. A substantially deep hole that held water. July 28. I think they maybe wrapped it up here for a little bit and then started at a different point or something. My pictures, they go July through August through September. Video, I won't show you the whole video. At this point, my street was closed. There's more pictures in October where they were digging again outside of my window. Since then, I've had noticeable issues in my house that I am concerned about. They started digging again right behind my house. I was kind of shocked like how could this be happening again. When the workers were in my yard, I never gave them a hard time. I felt like everybody has a job to do. I'm not one of those people. This work started again. I'm in my neighborhood and see this house and look at it online and it says like needs a ton of work. 250,000, which a lot by itself in my neighborhood would be 400, 500 easy.

11:34:54AM Your three minutes is up. Sam Thomas, my legislative aide, would you please meet Ms. Quinn and gather her information so that we can get back with her and connect her with the correct -- if you want to wait outside these glass doors, my legislative aide should come up and gather your information and connect you with City staff. I noticed digging and I can feel impacts in my house and hear them in my house.

11:35:26AM We'll connect with you the people you need to speak with. Sam Thomas, if you could meet her outside the glass doors. Very good Fran Tate, bring it home. I am Fran Tate. I'm the founder and president, current president of the Jackson Heights neighborhood association and community safety watch group. I serve as the community advisory committee member of the East Tampa CRA elected chair the first two years, and I'm appointed to the public nuisance abatement board. I want to continue to advocate, fight for our East Tampa stormwater relief project. The one located broadway and 56th street. The one that was canceled and the funds reallocated to South Howard Avenue. I'm going to come up here every time I get the chance to advocate and fight for their party to be continued. If you say, well, yes, it will be continued, when? We didn't get a town hall meeting to talk about, oh, guess what, they are getting ready to cancel our project. We didn't get a chance to come down here and pack the room like every other organization does with t-shirts on, save East Tampa for storm relief project. We didn't get that chance. I'll continue to fight because there is dengue fever out there, mosquitoes transmitting it. There's still flooding. Water collects in that area. It's not safe for us. I'm a fighter and I am an advocate. I come with fresh ideas but my ideas expand. I want to thank you for that room that you named after our beloved Councilman Frank Reddick. Councilman Frank Reddick should have had his name on his whole entire building had it been me. I would have fought for that. Williams, slash, Frank Reddick building, park. He put a swimming pool there. He served as president of the association. Then elected as City Council member. He fought. He was instrumental in getting Jackson Heights on the map. Had to fight to become our own community neighborhood association, and it was him, it was him that told others who were pigeon holing us, let them go. They know what they want to do to serve their community. Let them go. It wasn't fair and it wasn't right. I want to talk about East Tampa. We're underserved. Sulphur Springs, we're underserved. We need a fighter sitting up there. A fighter for both areas because we don't get what we deserve at any time, in my opinion. Trophies, trinkets, they are all well and fine. What about the real fight? What about the community fight? What about our store? What about our fresh food market. What about our potholes? What about our bus shelters? We need a real fighter. Thank you, have a blessed day.

11:38:41AM Okay. We have one online speaker. Michael randolph. Bring it home. Good morning, Michael. My name is Michael randolph. I want to speak briefly about how Florida amendment 3 will impact West Tampa and how our community is preparing to respond. Low income residents are the group most negatively affected. Analysts from Florida today and Florida policy institute show that amendment 3 should -- towards renters, transit dependent residents and people living paycheck to paycheck. Public safety will be directly affected. West Tampa already have the highest than average -- for rescuing, E.M.S. And police calls. Less funding, response time slows, units availability and policing. Community service could also be impacted. Families rely on recreational centers, youth sports, after-school programs, and summer camps. Recreational, paid enrollment and facilities rentals could increase. Seniors may see a reduce in hours or programs for community centers. Cea improvements including sidewalks, lighting and housing rehabilitation is -- most West Tampa residents are renters. Amendment 3 provides no tax remedy for renters. At the same time, rent and service fee rise. Creating a double burden for families already struggling for rent. This amendment could lead to eviction, increased youth -- isolation of seniors and increase of death because of a low response. Please vote. Next week I'll turn with a solution, specifically ow West Tampa technology and wealth building center can reduce the economic impact by creating income strain, new career pathways and real wealth building students. Thank you.

11:41:24AM Michael, what a perfect way to bring it home and close out public comment. Thank you very much. Enjoy the rest of your day. Can I get a motion to receive and file 60 and 61? Motion to move the resolutions of 60 and 61? Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, second from Councilwoman Young. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. We're going to change the agenda a little bit because Melissa is in the ordinance. We'll hear item 64 now, please. Didn't expect that. Melissa Zornitta --

11:42:03AM You can sit around and wait until after lunch if you would like. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today to tell you a little bit about how we have been exploring the idea of stadium district plan, put that in quotes. Myself and Mr. Wong from the transportation Planning organization have been exploring the idea of what that might look like. We had the opportunity last week to be invited to a meeting of some of the neighborhoods directly around where the new rays stadium would be and listened to some of their concerns around events, around transportation, stormwater, other pieces of infrastructure, growth in their area and along some of their corridors and how that redevelopment might fit in better with their community. So some of those concerns that we heard were short term, kind of operational things that might feed well into other existing, like the capital improvements plan or other things, like a community benefits agreement. But many of them lend themselves towards looking at a Planning effort for that area. Some of the next steps that we're looking at are hearing from some of the partners in this effort. D.o.t., the city, of course, the county, HART, to understand what are in their plans, what do they have programmed? What might be in their longer range plans to see where there are gaps where some of these things align, and how we can leverage all of that into a Planning effort that addresses what the community is interested in. So we think with that information, we would be in a good position if council so desires to bring forward a scope of services of what that plan might look like. So that's sort of where we're headed. Wanted to give you an update on that and make sure that was consistent with the direction you all would like and welcome any feedback on that. Additionally, Jaime Jones from the neighborhood association is here as well.

11:44:31AM Hi, Jamie. Thank you.

11:44:38AM Start with your name, please. Association. All I did was put together a quick list of things that we've talked about so far. Again, this is really the West Tampa Heights neighborhood association and then a collection of four other neighborhoods that pretty much directly are abutted to the Hillsborough community college campus and the buccaneers stadium. We're the ones that are most directly affected by special events and stadium activities, especially with the rays being approved for their new stadium and their mixed use development which no one knows what that will really look like. But we are really attempting to be proactive rather than reactive and to solve existing issues that we all see every single day and feel. This is really evolving. We don't know exactly what will happen yet. Of course, we don't have any resources for this. This is just neighbors coming together and saying what does our neighborhood really need right now and what do we want to look like in 20 years? Again, I'm definitely here for any questions. We're trying to figure out what we can ask for from you? We don't even know yet exactly what that looks like.

11:46:02AM Start with Councilman Miranda, Hurtak, Carlson.

Bill Carlson

11:46:08AM Thank you. I want to fill in, so this was something that we talked about during the rays' case because several of the neighborhoods were concerned about direct impacts. But then the neighborhoods also said, well, we haven't had any kind of Planning in a long time. Whether the rays thing goes through or not, we would like to have some kind of Planning. During those discussions, council member cohen, harry cohen was sitting in some of the meetings with me. He is pushing hard to get the county to support the tpo and the Planning Commission and to try to allocate some funding for this. Although each of those organizations will charge something, it could be that if harry is successful or his colleagues are successful, that the county will pick up a big chunk of it. The county was the lead on the rays discussion. As I mentioned, this goes beyond that. One of the things that was discussed in this meeting, this was a meeting that Jamie put together of neighborhoods directly adjacent -- can I pause for just a second? I want to make sure alan hears this. Jaime was the one who volunteered to organize. It is a lot of work to organize neighborhoods to get them together. In the discussion he invited me, invited Melissa, johnny wong and also harry cohen. And we were there just to listen to what the discussion was. One of the questions we asked, who all should be at the table? Sandy sanchez sent e-mails about that. I don't think anybody disagrees there could be more people at the table in West Tampa and even broader. The initial question, though that Jamie was asking, how does it directly affect us? What money or Planning tools might there be to effect the direct impacts? If there's limited funding and limited tools, especially within a certain amount of time, neighborhoods directly impacted want to make sure there are solutions that directly affect them. I won't speak for you guys, but I think the consensus was, they would welcome the other neighborhoods from West Tampa. Also was an interesting discussion about what is West Tampa? I think some folks from Drew Park think Drew Park is not in West Tampa. Ironically, we step in each other's turf sometimes. Charlie literally lives in Jaime's neighborhood. I can't talk to him about the conversations and the details, but I try to give him a heads-up when I'm around his neighborhood. I also go to some of the restaurants around there a lot. Anyway, the idea right now at the very beginning, if you all have ideas that you want to give any of them, you can. Probably will be another meeting just to listen. The first question is what problems do they anticipate? What tools might there be and what money might there be? Once that is determined, from the tpo, mpo or county, there will be a public process where the public will be invited. There will be public meetings, online surveys. There will be town hall meetings, all kinds of stuff. These initial meetings are just to ask the question who should be involved, how should it be organized, what are the problems they are trying to face?

Alan Clendenin

11:49:37AM Councilwoman Hurtak followed by Councilman Miranda and Maniscalco.

Lynn Hurtak

11:49:40AM A few things I'm thinking about. Glad you are thinking about this now. This is really important. My first thing that I'm concerned about is definitely getting the conversation because we've been lobbied heavily to take, and we probably will end up taking some of the Armenia corridor out of the trc. That's what the neighborhoods are asking for. But that's counterintuitive to what you all are trying to accomplish. While we may take it out short term, over long term that might be something that your neighborhoods will have to come together for. Which brings me to my second point, which is we have some neighborhoods that have gone through this. Seminole Heights has an overlay. It's older, but absolutely, if you don't know people in the Seminole Heights area, this is where you use than to connect to you to go through the process. I believe it was done in about 2007, 2008, it was finished right before the economic downturn. It's taken a really long time to get it going again. But that would be a good group for you to talk to about what happened. Also East Tampa and Tampa Heights have brand-new overlays. Again, I would talk to than about getting you connected with those folks. Thirdly, when it comes to how the neighborhoods connect, the heights has their own umbrella group for all the heights neighborhoods to be a part of. Maybe talk to one of the heights. While talking to people from Seminole Heights, how is that going, it stopped for a little while because of covid but I believe the conversation now is to bring it back. How do they do that? What does it look like? I know when I was on the leadership board, we had like a facebook group, like a private facebook group so we could chat. We got together every quarter. There were things to definitely bring together. That way you know each other, message each other really quickly with whatever the newer tool of the day is, although you may be back to facebook because everybody tends to use it. All of that is really important as you come together. What you're trying to do is strengthen your community and build upon it with this. I have no problem allocating money toward this project. I think this is so important that regardless of what happens with the stadium, you really do, it's your turn. It's your time. Eventually it would be nice to have more parts of the city do that. But just because of where we are, I'm supportive of this, but those are my first initial thoughts. Next time you have a Planning meeting like this, please feel free to invite all of us. We might not be able to speak at it, which is fine, wanting to be there to listen I think is really important. Something that I'm interested in hearing, too. What are the concerns that we're getting from the community. Thank you for helping with this process.

Alan Clendenin

11:52:43AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

11:52:43AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Jones, your area and your homeowner association, what is the area of the boundaries? Can you give them to us? Buffalo avenue, found that out looking at the plat the other day and then Armenia, Tampa Bay Boulevard and himes right up against stadium.

11:53:05AM Small, compacted.

11:53:11AM Sunday I was heading south to have dinner at my daughter's house, one of them. I left about 15 minutes before the game left. Already when I turn on Armenia heading south, I didn't realize what I was doing. I'll be honest with you. Got in the inside lane. That inside lane was backed up for blocks until I noticed there was no one in the outside lane. I went in the outside lane and coasted all the way down Armenia all the way into cleveland back there so I could go see my daughter's house. I finally realized why. That inside lane was blocked because they were getting cars into the interstate heading south. All of them. I can tell you that the people that go visit and they should are enormous traffic pattern for every block that you have in your homeowners association, because I live in your homeowners association. I can tell you that something has to be done, because if you don't leave then, you're going to be an hour and a half inside your house where you cannot -- another thing, if you take a traffic count of accidents Macdill Avenue of South Tampa Bay Boulevard to Columbus Drive, you're going to be surprised how many accidents there are leaving the stadium. I'll get those figures from the Police Department now that I mention it. These things in your district, your homeowners association, is there any way where you can expand your homeowner association if you're looking at it? We are a neighborhood association. We're not an HOA. We don't charge a fee. [Talking over one another]

11:55:01AM I can live outside. Two things there. When it comes to the boundaries of where we are studying, the first thing I had proposed -- and this is really me as an urban planner. I proposed doing a traffic study that really would model the roadway network and figure out where traffic is heading, especially on special event days, right? There are different things there. You'd have to model different scenarios. One of the biggest things is that TSA and the Police Department or whoever is in control of that, they turn Tampa Bay Boulevard into a one-way. They don't let people go north at all. Everyone has to go south no matter what. That puts everyone through our neighborhoods. There are a few things that are really operational that, yes, we really need to look at. It should expand it as much as it has to for us to capture the big picture here.

Alan Clendenin

11:56:08AM We need to move on.

Charlie Miranda

11:56:11AM You have a situation that's unacceptable because you can't leave.

11:56:16AM Now you're going to be exacerbated by 81 more days of something, maybe not as large but there. If there is an event there or an event at the stadium for a concert, you're going to have to stay in your house. The other day, I flew into the airport, got in at 11 p.m. my wife and son are already in bed. I'm trying to take an uber. Bruno mars, $74 to get home, two and a half miles. If that's 200 days of the year, that is something that we need to avoid here. We're trying to figure things out, find resources to make sure --

Alan Clendenin

11:56:56AM Mass transit.

Charlie Miranda

11:57:01AM Ask for a traffic study of the area that we're talking about so we can get the numbers. Talking now without. Those game days, you have to have a traffic study when there's an event at any one of those areas because what you're going to get is an unbelievable number that you can't move. No one can move. I understand what they are talking about South Tampa. Guarantee you where we're at is three times as bad.

Alan Clendenin

11:57:27AM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:57:28AM Thank you very much. So I live right there just outside of the boundaries. Some of the residents where I live take part in your association. I'm right there at what you said was buffalo and habana. Hasn't been like that since I was a kid. Born and raised here. Lived behind Charlie Miranda for two years when I was a kid. I don't have memories that far. On event days, Tampa Bay turns into a one-way. It's very difficult. The timing, the sequence of the traffic lights to go north on habana for me to get home to cross MLK, sometimes it doesn't change, sometimes it takes forever. If you have emergency vehicles that is a problem. 50 years ago, widening to dale mabry. Added a right-turn lane, maybe 20, 30 years ago. Things have been improved upon, but that is a residential neighborhood. Tampa Bay Boulevard I think at the tpo level, they are looking at probably funding for widening that.

11:58:34AM Air cargo was done 20 years ago. Talking about doing it again, I believe. West side of dale mabry, improvements will be made. What about West Tampa? Another thing, you have it listed here, sidewalks. We have people asking forever. We have the open ditches that do serve their purpose when it rains, but what about closing the ditches or adding sidewalks? Councilman Miranda brought up new development, sidewalk to nowhere, but so many people that park in residential lots, people make money, whatever, and they have to walk to these places, there's inadequate sidewalks. You have to take MLK because of the sidewalks or Columbus Drive. In between, very few parts of Tampa Bay and then throughout the residential streets, again very narrow. Traffic study is the biggest thing. My concern is not just for residents but emergency vehicles, sidewalks, because a lot of people walk. Looking at closing some of the ditches and building sidewalks and putting a more modernized drainage system. Then there are other things we can talk about. Let me know how we can help. I'm literally right around the corner from you down the street. We'll take it from there and see how we can improve this area. It's going to be tremendously affected. Carlson, you are the one that brought this forward, unless somebody else wants to pick it up, I would suggest that we entertain a motion for a resolution of council to create with the neighborhood association, Planning Commission, all interested parties, to create a committee, a city committee to facilitate this would be my suggestion during new business, if somebody wants to take that on.

Bill Carlson

12:00:18PM Because this is grassroots. They are running it right now.

Alan Clendenin

12:00:22PM But that gives -- the nice thing -- the pitch for that would be if someone wants to make that proposal is once you institutionalize that as a city, you have city resources, you have City staff. You coordinate with Planning Commission, the tpo. You mentioned TSA, you have that ability because as a community organization, you really can't compel or ask those folks to come and do these things. If we institutionalize this and created something formal, I think that would maybe help facilitate this and potentially create a funding mechanism for it. That's a suggestion for new business. I would suggest we take --

Bill Carlson

12:01:01PM The other thing is --

Alan Clendenin

12:01:03PM Wrap it up and go to lunch.

Bill Carlson

12:01:05PM Other thing do at the same time or maybe while Melissa is still here, I think johnny and Melissa -- johnny and Melissa would like a motion to in essence give them consent, especially since three of you are on the tpo board. Can you tell me what the words are? For us to continue working on this so that we know it's a request of all of council as well as --

12:01:35PM Save that for new business?

Alan Clendenin

12:01:38PM Is there anybody here that disagrees? Can we have unanimous consent, have them continuing what they are doing now? Then formalize it with some other process.

Charlie Miranda

12:01:47PM I believe the first thing you have to do is traffic study. Planning Commission doesn't do traffic studies.

Alan Clendenin

12:01:52PM Yes, they do.

Charlie Miranda

12:01:55PM I thought the city did the traffic studies.

Alan Clendenin

12:01:59PM Hold on. Let's take control. Councilman Carlson and I'll address Mr. Shelby.

Bill Carlson

12:02:03PM The other thing about traffic, listening to the stories, again just now and the other day about what happens is the same exact thing that happens in downtown and South Tampa. We've had TPD and others come before us several times and mobility come before us several times about downtown. There are obvious things we still need to change in downtown because causing backups in South Tampa. Same thing happening here. There is a traffic study but then there's also -- I forgot the name of it, but the traffic flow that gets put in by mobility and TPD. When you suddenly change roads that people expect to be two way to be one way, it confuses everyone and sends people the wrong direction. Downtown, instead of sending people away from the arena, they send people back toward the arena, which I think is crazy.

Alan Clendenin

12:02:49PM I hear you and I agree. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

12:02:52PM What Ms. Zornitta was requesting was an action of council. What council just did was not an action of council.

Alan Clendenin

12:03:01PM No, I think she --

Martin Shelby

12:03:04PM For your minutes, there's not going to be much of anything.

Alan Clendenin

12:03:10PM We do not have a resolution in front of us for clear direction. My understanding is they are asking to continue what they are doing right now. Basically, they self-disclosed that they are working behind the scenes to kind of like work through this process. They want to make sure they are not working behind our back. So this was full transparency and disclosure. We just want to say, yeah, we like what you're doing.

Melissa Zornitta

12:03:28PM That works --

Martin Shelby

12:03:30PM That is not an official action of City Council.

Melissa Zornitta

12:03:32PM Right. I understand. I think, Councilman Clendenin characterized it correctly. We want to make sure that council is in agreement with the direction that we've been going and are continuing to pursue that.

Alan Clendenin

12:03:46PM And then look at some mechanism of creating something more formalized to have some resources and ability to compel. Councilman Miranda first and then if we could wrap this up.

Charlie Miranda

12:03:59PM I agree with all the things said but you still need a base for traffic study.

Alan Clendenin

12:04:05PM She's coordinating with them.

Charlie Miranda

12:04:07PM Are you going to do a traffic study?

Melissa Zornitta

12:04:10PM The transportation Planning organization can do that. We're working closely.

Charlie Miranda

12:04:15PM You have the boundaries and everything else?

Melissa Zornitta

12:04:18PM I think so, yes.

Charlie Miranda

12:04:20PM We don't know what's happening but it's happening. That's a wonderful thing we can tell the public.

Melissa Zornitta

12:04:26PM We'll be working on it.

Alan Clendenin

12:04:29PM A work in progress.

Bill Carlson

12:04:30PM As the chair just said, they wanted to disclose very early in the process. Nothing that's done. Nothing planned, they are just having organizational meetings and they want to disclose even at this stage, which I think is good for transparency. The last thing I can say, I can make the motion later about the city, but keep in mind that the county apparently wants to play a big role, especially since they were lead on the stadium. You all know county commissioners, and all of you know harry cohen. He's trying to take point on this and pushing really hard. It's possible that the county will fund all of it. Let's talk to them first.

Alan Clendenin

12:05:07PM Take that iou to come back at a future time that would be great. I can perceive this to be coming into like Seminole Heights kind of thing. A meld of overlay versus other forms of government structure. Zoning districts like Seminole Heights has or if this should be an overlay or just a master plan. But master plans get put on shelves. All the things. There are a lot of parts that we have not figured out. And we do not have -- we don't have like a scope, an RFP that can go out for a traffic study, anything like that. Until you have that scope, you don't know how much it's going to cost. I won't know how much to ask you guys for yet. But if you guys want to give us 3 million that would be cool.

12:06:02PM Councilwoman Young has a question.

Naya Young

12:06:04PM I was going to ask if I could have a copy of this, what you have --

Lynn Hurtak

12:06:10PM Could you send it to all of us?

Alan Clendenin

12:06:13PM We still have a couple of items left to do after lunch. One is a time certain at 1:30. It does require us to come back from lunch. It is 12:07. Back in council chambers at 1:25 and hear the last two remaining items of business. We are at lunch. [ sounding gavel ] [lunch recess]

1:28:57PM This meeting of Tampa City Council to order. Clerk, please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

1:29:01PM Here. Hurtak?

Lynn Hurtak

1:29:03PM Here.

Naya Young

1:29:03PM Here. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

1:29:06PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

1:29:07PM Here.

The clerk

1:29:08PM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

1:29:09PM Thank you. We had set a time certain for item number 65, so we're going to deal with that at this point. And if you'll look to the podium, you will see our very capable attorney, Mr. Kenneth tinkler who represents the legal interest of the Charter Review Committee. We asked him a command performance to appear and have the discussion about the recommendations from the Planning Commission that we accepted as well as Tampa City Council's suggestions. And he has a powerpoint presentation. Sir, would you start with your name? Good afternoon, ken tinkler with Carlson fields. Pleasure to see all of you again. As you may remember, back in December, the city engaged my firm to perform two distinctive scopes of legal services. The first was to provide outside legal counsel to the charter review advisory commission. That work concluded back on September 14 when we transmitted the crc's final report to the city. At that time, the second phase of work began, which is limited to providing the City Council advice on charter amendment issues, including drafting an ordinance containing the charter amendments you wish to proceed with, proposed ballot language and summary. I want to be clear, we're not a substitute for the city attorney or the City Council attorney. They'll handle all the routine responsibilities when it comes to processing the ordinance through your normal approval process, including providing legal notice, working with the Supervisor of Elections and any subsequent proceedings. What I've provided to you is both, first in memo form, an outline of what I'd like to go through here today. If the tv folks can get the powerpoint on the screen for me. I also converted to a powerpoint to make it easy. I know there are concerns about text size with this group. I want it to be as clear as I possibly could.

1:31:09PM I'm sorry. You don't look like Mr. Rogero. I think we're okay.

Ken tinkler

1:31:12PM I wanted to make sure that was easy for you. What I'll do, first -- let me make sure this is working for me. Last week at your workshop, you walked through the charter review advisory commission's recommendations. You indicated which ones you wanted to go forward with. I want to go through those quickly just to make sure we're on the same page when you give me your final direction as to what should be in the final ordinance. That is the first section here. The second section, you had some questions for me that came up during the workshop. I'll address each of those as we go through the items. After that, the last section will be new language for you based upon the materials that were provided to me after your workshop as to additional items you wanted to have on the ballot, including a rewrite of the inspector general provision.

Alan Clendenin

1:32:01PM Mr. Tinkler, in the interest of the presentation, if there are areas that you need to pause to get input, if you would do that. If there seems like there are natural areas that maybe council wants to ask a question, if you could anticipate that as well. Other than that, what I'll try to do is ask council to hold questions until we get to a strategic point so we're not interrupting your flow.

Ken tinkler

1:32:26PM Absolutely. Appreciate that. The first items, hopefully I heard you correctly and will be very quick and then get into the more detailed discussion. The first item that you wanted to continue with from the Charter Review Commission report regarded section 2.03. It was simply an amendment to the language, maybe expedient and necessary and replace the word compel with require. Any questions on this one? Section 2.08 was simply an amendment to -- at present, have a process when you have to read the title of an ordinance on two days. The Charter Review Commission recommended simply an addition regarding pursuant to the requirements of general law should there be an option to not have a second reading that's allowed under general law. Any questions on this one? Marty, is there a way of getting the powerpoint on the screen or this does not work over here. Regarding the term, this was simply to clarify simply the idea of officers as used various times within the Charter Review Commission recommended changing this to the mayor and City Council members as well as deleting language related to 1979. You'll see a few that weren't picked up at the last charter review board, they are recommending clean that up today. Before I move forward, any questions on that one? All right. 6.06, this is another cleanup one, getting rid of the 1975 language regarding the officer of the city, making it also clear that a majority here is at least four votes. And it could be done either by resolution or ordinance. Any questions on this one?

Alan Clendenin

1:34:28PM Put a pin on that one for future discussion.

Ken tinkler

1:34:32PM Understood. Regarding this, on millage, the Charter Review Commission recommended making it consistent with state law in accordance, obviously, it would have to be anyway, but they wanted to make that clear that since the millage provisions are very spelled out in general law to be able to cite that. Any questions on 7.05? 9.02, Charter Review Commission found out there is no zoning adjustment board. So they wanted to strike this provision that put your Chief Building inspector on a nonexistent board. So any questions on 9.02? Just for background, the commission went through every section of the charter, so if there were edits, that's how they got to you.

Alan Clendenin

1:35:21PM I was kidding.

Ken tinkler

1:35:23PM Understand. Regarding 11.03, again, this is a cleanup to remove the 1975 language. Any questions?

Alan Clendenin

1:35:37PM Councilwoman Hurtak said you can't kid with a lawyer.

Ken tinkler

1:35:41PM Happy to laugh about a lot of this later. You had a few questions for me, items you flagged that you wanted further explanation, where they came from, what they were talking about. The first one was the oath, this was an item previously passed by the City Council back in 2018, intended to go on the ballot as indicated in a memo you received from the city Attorney, This did not make the ballot. What the Charter Review Commission did was simply forward you all of the items that previously a charter review board gave you. This is no editing from them. It's simply to reflect what was already passed by ordinance. This is also to make it consistent with the fact that you already removed the residency requirements so now you were requiring an oath where you didn't have a requirement. I believe the city attorney also issued another memo today regarding this topic. Any questions on 6.05? Then in terms of direction, I want to make sure that I'm clear that your direction is to proceed with including this in a draft ordinance.

Alan Clendenin

1:36:47PM I think what we'll assume without any further direction that we're going to accept your language, but let's withhold that final answer until we're completed in case there's some buyer's remorse or something circles back around like 6.06 discussion.

Ken tinkler

1:37:07PM Absolutely. That's fine. I want to make sure we build up a record here that is clear when we go to the draft ordinance stage.

Lynn Hurtak

1:37:15PM I'm unclear. We're coming back to this?

Alan Clendenin

1:37:17PM No, I'm saying, I think as he moves through each one of these, without any input or discussion, I think the assumption is that council Will accept what has been presented. I don't want to necessarily say that we're voting on this at this point and directing him to move forward until we actually go to the end in case we have to circle back to something. If you have an issue with this now, speak now.

Lynn Hurtak

1:37:43PM So I'm looking at yesterday's memo from Mr. Steady, and it brings in the ordinance that we put on the ballot in 2024 that shall revisiting officers of the city who conduct government will apply only to elected officers. And so they approved that. I think the word officer from my understanding is a member of an elected position. Is that not correct? That was our issue with this one. Council put forward the removal of the oath, the online records reflected this was already gone. Up until this was discovered during the Charter Review Commission process, municode online included that. The language that was proposed to the voters and already assumed this piece had already been removed previously. So that is why it's coming forward to you in the same manner because for many years, anyone looking at the charter of the City of Tampa would have seen this language stricken.

Alan Clendenin

1:39:06PM Trying to be backwards compatible.

Ken tinkler

1:39:08PM Correct.

Lynn Hurtak

1:39:09PM Yes, my question is still with the word officer and not -- because the confusion is officer versus elected. Because we all agree that elected has to be resident of the city. But I'm not sure that officer is in there. So what we're saying is every city employee has to subscribe to an oath? I didn't know that was a thing.

Ken tinkler

1:39:40PM Yeah, the best way I can point out, the officers are defined in 6.01 which includes the mayor, City Council, city clerk, city attorney, director of finance and goes on and on. That's where this provision sits.

Lynn Hurtak

1:39:58PM Do those folks have to swear an oath, the city clerk?

Ken tinkler

1:40:02PM There is an oath of office today in the charter.

Lynn Hurtak

1:40:04PM Just making sure. My only thing is I would like there to be a defining definition or a difference. Resident of the city should be an elected. But I guess we take it out, either neither harm nor foul.

Ken tinkler

1:40:26PM Correct, this is purely to reflect the prior council's intent.

Lynn Hurtak

1:40:29PM Just talking through it. Thank you. This is okay with me then.

Ken tinkler

1:40:33PM Happy to.

Alan Clendenin

1:40:34PM Next.

Ken tinkler

1:40:36PM Next one, reemployment. This was solely a cleanup item. Getting rid of the 1976 provision. There are various requirements post-service on council related to lobbying. The legislature has done a lot of that. This is very Tampa specific about the idea that you would not move into a city-paid position for at least a year down the road.

Alan Clendenin

1:41:03PM Councilman Carlson, do you have any emotional connection to 1976 and removing the language? I'm sorry. Councilman Miranda. I did it again. That is the second time today. Councilman Miranda, do you have any emotional connection to 1976 that --

Charlie Miranda

1:41:18PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

1:41:22PM Go ahead.

Ken tinkler

1:41:24PM We had a lot of cleanup focus with this commission.

Alan Clendenin

1:41:29PM That was Mr. Tinkler saying, chair, shut the blank up so we can get through this.

Ken tinkler

1:41:34PM Section 10.07, another item also placed in the ordinance that was intended to reach the ballot in 2018. This is actually what led to us finding out that they did not reach the ballot. One of the Charter Review Commission members had asked for the ordinance that is set forth in the blue text, basically an implementing ordinance on how you do an initiative and referendum, and we found out there was not one. So that's what started the ball rolling in terms of the analysis. It's simply again to put back the language that was intended to be put on the ballot previously.

Alan Clendenin

1:42:11PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

1:42:12PM Going back to the residency, I was looking for the ballot language. I finally found it. It says, this is what was on the ballot. Shall the amendment to section 6.01 of the Tampa charter revising the residency requirements for the officers of the city who conduct government to apply only to elected officials as set out and proposed by City of Tampa ordinance number blah, blah, blah, be ratified. My point which I brought up to the city attorney at the time is this is misleading. I know nothing is going to happen because of it. I think it was intentionally written to be misleading, because what it looks like is that we're reaffirming that the elected officials have to be a resident of the city when what we actually were doing was removing the residency requirement for the nonelected leaders of the city. Had it been written that way, it would be a valid way to find out what the public thought. But the way it was written here, I think it's completely invalid because it was written in a way to mislead the public.

Ken tinkler

1:43:34PM I will move forward. Any questions on 10.07? All right. Now we're getting into the proposed language based upon your workshop last week and what I was provided. The first one is staff, forgive me, on the slides on this one, wasn't a good way to break it down. I wanted to show you where this edit is being placed. End of section 2.04, indicating a desire to have additional support staff, whether it be for the City Council attorney or otherwise within the City Council Administrative function. We added language to provide for including additional support staff and broadened it from legislative to any City Council function and put that the funds have to be allocated within the City Council's budget. This actually was language from the Charter Review Commission that was concerned with the word bound indicated something less than an allocation. It did remove the provision that the mayor had to approve that based on what I heard from your workshop. Any questions on this provision? Moving on. This is a new section to be proposed. Section 2.15. You indicated the desire to have an override provision regarding the mayor's executive orders. Executive orders are a defined item in section 4.01. An order is issued, it is provided to the clerk. There is a process already defined. Given a process, we hooked it to that process, and we used the term rendered void. Override, it doesn't have the best legal connotation, so we wanted to find a term there that hopefully matches up to the intent that you had. We did provide an affirmative vote of no less than five members of the council and that you would act by resolution. We also to prevent a vicious circle of executive orders being readopted, we included a provision that they cannot be readopted without a majority vote of the council. They say a consent during the term of office. Any questions on 2.15? I want to make sure we have it how you're looking to do.

Lynn Hurtak

1:46:01PM I particularly like the last sentence. Thank you so much for anticipating that.

Ken tinkler

1:46:06PM You're welcome.

Alan Clendenin

1:46:06PM Councilman Carlson and then Councilman Viera.

Bill Carlson

1:46:09PM I want to say I'm against this as it's written right now. If there was some test to say that it was -- that the executive order was in some way against the charter, violation of the charter, usurping the power of City Council, then I would be in favor of it. In this particular case, I wouldn't support this. By the way, I was disappointed last week after we talked, the mayor's quote, which, by the way, I hope did not come from City staff since it was political, it said that she was disappointed that we were trying to do a power grab. It's actually been the opposite in the last 15 years. By using terms like strong mayor, the last two mayors have taken power away from City Council. All we've tried to do is put it back. I can't tell you how many fights we've had over the last seven years. As an activist, I've helped the prior council fight back, but it's not a power grab when you're trying to reestablish the charter and the powers that are granted to City Council and the charter. When mayors usurp that power, I think City Council has every right to come back and do it. The problem is that because the mayor controls the Legal Department and the staff and resources, purchasing, they control the tools to try to remedy anything. And there's also no provision for us to have a conflict or deal with a conflict. All this really does is enables us to -- or future City Council to undo an executive order. If a mayor, like the last two, is intent on usurping the power of City Council, they'll find other ways to do it.

Alan Clendenin

1:47:55PM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

1:47:56PM My question to folks, just out of curiosity, what are we trying to do with this? Is there something in particular that we're trying to remedy? Is it a principle issue? Clarity on the rationale just out of curiosity. Has there been something, an executive order done by this mayor or prior mayor? That's my curiosity. I'm not opposed to charter --

Alan Clendenin

1:48:21PM I think the issue, and I had this conversation with the mayor as well. The issue is, if council has an action or resolution and then the mayor has an executive order and they conflict, again, maybe, Mr. Shelby, would you like to address that a little bit.

Lynn Hurtak

1:48:41PM If he wants a when this happened, the police review commission is the solid one. So we want to prevent something like that from happening again because it took all the teeth out of what a council wanted to do.

Alan Clendenin

1:48:57PM Remember five votes. It's very difficult to get five votes, unless something is very, very clear. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

1:49:06PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I understand the conversation. The only time that this has ever been challenged was way back in the mid 70s. I left here in '79 and didn't come back until sometime in the early '90s. What I'm saying, it was a vote about the firefighters, that mayor poe had not worked out an agreement with the firefighters and he wrote an executive order not giving him a pay raise, if I remember. They called us the fabulous five, whatever they want to call us, full-page ad run in the newspaper. They named the five council members who overrode the mayor on this same five votes. Very difficult to get five votes. It's not easy. The only time I remember it was in the 1975 or '76 when it happened. And that's the only time I remember in my 32 years here on and off.

Alan Clendenin

1:50:05PM Some days it's difficult to get four votes. Any other discussion?

Bill Carlson

1:50:17PM The example that Councilwoman Hurtak mentioned is the biggest one I remember. The problem is, there's no conflict resolution process. That's one of the questions we put to the Charter Review Commission. I guess they decided not to do anything about it. The problem is, what happens if City Council and the mayor disagree. By the way, someone who is really a strong mayor doesn't worry about the powers of a legislative body because they understand collaboration. It's a weak mayor who is worried about somebody taking their power. Because power is not given by title or even by a charter. It's been negotiating and collaborating. But in this case -- in that case, what happened was that they ultimately went to gwynne young, former Florida bar president, and asked for opinion. She's a great person. Not questioning her at all. But she was hired by the city attorney who reports to the mayor. How do we have an objective body -- or we can't -- the City Council has no ability to file a lawsuit, we can't go to court, can't get a judge to rule. We have no arbitration process. No way to handle a dispute between the mayor and City Council. In that case, as an activist back then, I thought the administration was completely wrong. And then another case since I've been on council was the idea of naming buildings and structures. The mayor was going to -- this mayor was going to put forward executive order and I made the argument and I think most people agree, that there was nothing in the charter that gave the mayor the right to name buildings, and the representative of the city attorney argued with us. Went to my own attorneys and asked them, yeah, it was not in the charter. But from a City Council versus mayor point of view, how do we resolve that? Finally we resolved through discussion. The mayor created an executive order and codified it through an ordinance, so it was resolved except for one part of it, which was to prohibit things being named after people who committed civil rights violations. But the rest of it was. And the point is that we need a process for conflict resolution somewhere.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:31PM Councilman Carlson, when you go back and listen to your remarks, you'll find you almost make the case for this when you go back and listen to what you said. I think part of it, at least in my opinion, I'm more of an analytical guy. It's not about personality and feelings. It's about issues. The issues rise and fall. You win some, you lose some, and we move on. If there's an executive order, one person makes an executive order, and then five people feel like it is so wrong that you can pull together five votes to override that executive order, that's just policy in government. That's governance. Same thing that happens between different types of governments across our country. This is just a process and really it takes the personality out of it. You know what, I did that you thought this was a good idea, but five of us got together and decided it wasn't a good idea. Let's move on.

Bill Carlson

1:53:28PM Can I mention one more example?

Alan Clendenin

1:53:30PM You haven't exhausted it yet. Let's go quick.

Bill Carlson

1:53:34PM Since we honored Frank Reddick this morning, one was when the Tampa Bay times did a series on what was called biking while black. Frank Reddick, who I think was chair at the time said on a Tuesday or Wednesday said I'm going to propose to City Council that we ask the justice department for a civil rights investigation. Thursday morning at 8 a.m., an hour before City Council was able to meet, the then mayor and Chief of Police held a press conference to say they had invited the Department of Justice to come in and do a cops investigation, which is a process analysis, not a civil rights investigation. They confused the public by going in a different direction. I don't remember what frank did at that point, but I think what they did is they intentionally obfuscated and took the community in a different direction. At that point, when the times wrote that series, we needed to figure out a way to analyze what happened. Figure out what mistakes might have been made and then fix it and bring the community together. Instead it caused all kinds of divisiveness over several months. That was an example where it wasn't an executive order, but the mayor and then the police chief at the time who is now the mayor today, decided to not act in the interest of the public, but act in the interest of themselves by protecting themselves from the things they had done in ordering the police to enact that program.

Alan Clendenin

1:54:53PM I'm going to still suggest that you go back and watch this again.

Bill Carlson

1:54:57PM My point is it's not just about executive orders. Press conference, they invited the justice department to do an analysis.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:04PM Since we've had discussion on this, I'll say all those in favor of accepting this language, signify by saying aye. Opposed?

Bill Carlson

1:55:12PM Nay.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:13PM Clerk, would you call that for us for the record?

The clerk

1:55:16PM Motion passes with Carlson voting no.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:19PM Thank you. Mr. Tinkler, move on.

Ken tinkler

1:55:23PM Thank you. The next provision is in both section 4.01, existing language, and then new section 4.03. You had indicated that you wanted to include a provision that someone could not serve two terms as mayor and then later return to serve another two terms. You also indicated you did not want this effective until the adoption of this language, may not affect anyone running for office. We couldn't find a clean way of inserting it within the overall 4.01. This is a snapshot as you can see of a much longer section that would fill up the entire powerpoint. We carved it out to a separate section to lay it out, served as mayor, acted as mayor for more than a total of six years, that mirrors the language in the term limits --

Lynn Hurtak

1:56:16PM It should be eight years. We have two four-year terms.

Ken tinkler

1:56:19PM I understand. The idea is to pick up a partial term. That is why six years is indicated. If someone was elected to a partial term of more than two years, that they would then also be subject to this. This is how the Florida constitution deals with this provision and also the Hillsborough county charter uses similar language.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:45PM I'll defer to Councilman Carlson.

Ken tinkler

1:56:47PM If I could just conclude on this piece.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:50PM Sorry.

Ken tinkler

1:56:51PM On the time served as mayor, that is the last sentence to prevent anyone from applying who has been mayor in the past. This would be a going forward provision.

Alan Clendenin

1:57:02PM Councilman Carlson and Councilman Viera.

Bill Carlson

1:57:06PM I hope this mayor and her pacs like they did last time run an ad, this is a devious plot by council to give mayors an additional six years. That's what they did against the charter provision that limited City Council because it started when it was approved, which is what things usually do. I think this is okay the way it is. I believe in turnover, which is why I'm not running for City Council again. I think it's okay that people do that. I believe in giving other people a chance. In this case with the mayor, which happens to have a lot of power, I think that the way the charter is written, there is a balance of power between City Council and the mayor's office, but we've seen that we need a change every eight years.

Luis Viera

1:58:01PM I had these thoughts and will express them now. I have two concerns. Number one, in general, I actually support a strong term limit for mayor. However, there are two concerns I have. One is uniquely tailored to the forthcoming election, which is this could be relevant as an argument in the forthcoming election. I'll leave it at that, right? Another issue is, with regards to City Council, is City Council passed charter amendment last time for term limits for us that allowed us for 8, 16 years to bounce from seat to seat. By the way, I have nothing against that. People want to do that. Don't hate the player, hate the game. I don't care. But my point is, this actually makes the executive have more restrictions than we gave ourselves. I actually do support some level of stronger term limits for mayor. I do. But I think it's the wrong year. It actually, again, is more restrictive than what City Council, what we gave ourselves. That's my challenge with that. I put that out there.

Alan Clendenin

1:59:07PM Anybody else? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

1:59:13PM Okay. For more than total of six years. Okay. I think that makes sense. Basically you're saying if someone serves a partial term, they can't serve a third term.

Ken tinkler

1:59:26PM A partial term of more than two years.

Lynn Hurtak

1:59:28PM Would be considered a full. I actually think that's right and I kind of think that council should be the same way. That's I guess not -- yeah. I understand, Councilman Viera, how you feel about that. I also feel the mayor has a lot more power. I think a council member only has a seventh of the power of this body, whereas a mayor is wildly different. I do support this. I think this is good language.

Alan Clendenin

2:00:01PM Councilman Miranda, I saw you looking --

Charlie Miranda

2:00:04PM I'm looking at it. I see both sides. You could serve five years, 320 days and run. Right or wrong?

Ken tinkler

2:00:19PM Absolutely.

Charlie Miranda

2:00:21PM That's it. Thank you very much.

Ken tinkler

2:00:22PM Where the line you wish to draw is up to you.

Charlie Miranda

2:00:26PM Line has to be drawn somewhere, but it doesn't fulfill the eight years.

Ken tinkler

2:00:34PM The language -- we can make it two terms. Indication to cover acting mayor, something along those lines.

Charlie Miranda

2:00:41PM I understand the point.

Alan Clendenin

2:00:44PM Councilman Carlson, you wish to speak again?

Bill Carlson

2:00:47PM Just to the point -- two points that council member Viera made, one is the two council positions versus the mayor. I think those are two different positions. District position is different than a citywide position. Because there's different responsibilities. I would say those are two different positions. But the other thing is from a political point of view, I don't know of anybody who will have the money or interest in using this as a wedge in a campaign.

Alan Clendenin

2:01:19PM If they are speaking about this, they are losing.

Bill Carlson

2:01:22PM Because the candidate you would be talking about has enough issues without this to discuss.

Alan Clendenin

2:01:31PM I agree with what Councilman Carlson said about the council positions. Generally I'm not a big fan of term limits, by the way. I think you seat mess that created in tallahassee. That being said, the appetite in Tampa is there. I'm not going to speak against the will of the people. I do think there is a difference. We have term limits for us. Each person can only serve two terms in their position, and then they switch. You all made the charter amendment capping that at two and two. Hold each position twice, right?

Lynn Hurtak

2:02:04PM No. you can stay out for four years and pop right back in.

Alan Clendenin

2:02:10PM That's interesting. You don't have to worry about me. I'm going to run for one more term. Two terms and I'm done. I will write that in stone for all of you. Find me on the beach in Spain. Very good. Instead of discussion, let's have a vote on this one.

Martin Shelby

2:02:32PM -- unless you don't feel need for a second.

Alan Clendenin

2:02:37PM I was going to do a general vote at the end accepting everything we did. Motion to accept --

Charlie Miranda

2:02:46PM One thing council member Viera said that part of 403 could be used in this election. As a political thing, talking about it. It can't be used. It should be precluded until after the election. Make it fair.

Alan Clendenin

2:03:04PM Marty, so you understand what my position was, we are going to basically reach agreement or not agreement and then not have a definitive vote on each one of these for the record until the end in case we have to go back and revisit something, we don't have to reopen it. One vote at the end accepting all of our recommendations. All those in favor of this language signify by saying aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

2:03:31PM 4.03, nay.

Alan Clendenin

2:03:33PM It's 5-2 with Councilman Viera and Councilman Miranda opposed. It's not an official motion, but for the record, but you can say the intent of council or something like that. We'll have the official vote at the end, which ones accepted and which ones not. Go ahead.

Ken tinkler

2:03:56PM Understood. This next section, amendment to 6.03. This is to change the power of removal of officers that's presently vested exclusively in the mayor to provide that the council may remove an officer appointed under this section, following, we did include for due process sake granting the mayor and the officer the opportunity to be heard at a public meeting and then an affirmative vote of no fewer than five members of council. We also had, again, to prevent a circle, included a provision that an officer removed cannot be granted interim appointment nor remain an employee of the city.

Alan Clendenin

2:04:36PM This is one I know that has probably some of the most energy. I know I spoke with the mayor. Of course, the mayor feels strongly against this and other folks I've spoken to. Councilman Miranda, you expressed strong opinions. I'll let you speak on this first.

Charlie Miranda

2:04:53PM Thank you. My feeling is this. Who are we going to get to serve in the City of Tampa in position of director of whatever department it is that is confirmed by the council but appointed or recommended by the mayor, that becomes to me more political than anything else that you must follow something. With five votes, anyone on the council, any five votes of the council -- who will get the best qualified individuals to work in the City of Tampa? Would do you that in your law firm? The answer is no. I can tell by your smile the answer is no. any big law firm has maybe hundred, 200, 2,000, 3,000 attorneys, you take this to the best and brightest, they'll go somewhere else. They will never come work for you. The same logic I'm applying it to here. Who will tell a general that with five votes of five sergeants, you are not general anymore in the united states military. I'm trying to simplify it. In reality, practicality, how it works, who in the hell will come work here? The best and brightest or the ones least expected to last five years? That's all.

Alan Clendenin

2:06:11PM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

2:06:12PM I was thinking about this. I remember when we maybe in the time of covid, it was the previous term, when we were hiring a CRA director and we hired a CRA director I think from the Orlando area. And the next day, you weren't here yet -- you were here. Wasn't in the time of dingfelder, Gudes? Well, whatever. We were at the Convention Center and we hired an individual. That person probably watched us in action refuse it the next day. My question is, yes, it's hard to get five votes, but things get political and who would want to take the job meaning, who is going to relocate here? If you want to get the best and brightest and they are from out of town, maybe I'm overthinking of it, thinking back to the time when that individual said yes and then no. that's where I stand.

Lynn Hurtak

2:07:06PM That was the last council. The last council we were a little more --

Alan Clendenin

2:07:11PM Interesting.

Lynn Hurtak

2:07:12PM -- well, we didn't see eye to eye a lot on that particular council. This council works better together. It's a little different. But my thing about this, all this means is that the department heads need to work with each of us as much as they work with the mayor. Right now, we don't really seem to have a huge problem with that. There are a couple, but overall, it's not something that people have to worry about as long as they are working with everyone. So what I think that does is just encourage that. I don't think at all, because, quite frankly, the mayor can fire someone tomorrow. Whenever you work at a job, you have the expectation that your employer doesn't have to keep you. Even if it's only one person. To me, that argument is not an argument that sways me.

Alan Clendenin

2:08:06PM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

2:08:09PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I always like to talk about my philosophy with the charter. There are people that talk about the charter like it is the U.S. constitution. I don't see it like that. James madison didn't write this thing. This isn't something that some heralded ark of the covenant --

Alan Clendenin

2:08:24PM I said it wasn't brought by god --

Luis Viera

2:08:27PM Mount sinai -- whatever. I'm not opposed to amending the charter. I remember last time we overrode the mayor I think it was in five vetoes. I voted to override all five. For those that I voted for. I'm not philosophically opposed to this. My challenge with this is this. I wouldn't be opposed to some level of accountability for appointees. If it was more strictly defined as like impeachment on the federal level where it's high crimes and misdemeanors. There's something that can be relied upon where a person goes, man, if they impeach me, I got it coming. Whereas this, this is, people don't like it, can kick you out. The issue is, who will come and work for the city and relocate, leave a job, whether it's with the county or whether it's coming from Kentucky or anything of that nature. Again, what this is coming towards I'm sympathetic to. But as written, I think it grants us too much discretion that comes at the expense of somebody's willingness to pack up everything and get in the wagon trailer or whatever and come to Tampa. That's my challenge.

Alan Clendenin

2:09:40PM Councilman Carlson. I challenge you to complete your entire speech without mentioning one person's name.

Bill Carlson

2:09:52PM The ultimate thing here is that, why is it that we have so many mayors where there's no chaos and two where suddenly there is chaos at City Council? It's not created by City Council. Created by the mayor usurping the power of City Council. City Council has to push back. Because they control the communication department, control the Legal Department, control the political department. Push and tell everybody in the community it is City Council's fault. Text messages, which yes, we do have, madam mayor, I'll show you the text messages. You can send as many e-mails as you want, but those text messages exist that they stir up trouble on City Council. Illegal and unethical for them to do that. Should have been fired. I appealed to the chief of staff multiple times. City attorney, HR department, the mayor herself and she refuses to fire people who behave badly. If I had an employee who was being investigated for terrible HR complaints and then we had to pay a huge fine to one plaintiff when there are several more in line, I would fire that person. Why is it if a mayor does not have a guts to fire somebody who we had to pay a big fine to a plaintiff, a former employee because of that situation, why is it that City Council doesn't have the right to fire the person? We should. When we get complaints from our CRA Staff and others that the mayor herself is calling people and cursing and screaming at them, why do we not have recourse in that? I would have fired the mayor a long time ago because what she's doing is unacceptable. What we can do is firing the people doing it, whether on her orders or somebody else's order, shouldn't be doing it. Why is it this morning we had a situation where t-shirts being printed. Florida law says it is illegal to politic. Why is it we have that? Why is it text messages and other evidence from South Howard where out of the thousands of people just in South Tampa that were flooded, why is it we have 200 people angry calling for investigations and all this stuff? Because we had two or three people in the mayor's office stirring up trouble, creating conflict among people whose houses flooded. How terrible is that? Should have fired the people immediately. The fact she doesn't means she's complicit in it. That she wanted it. Come down here and tell us you didn't order them to stir up problems among people whose houses flooded. How terrible is that? Multiple city attorneys, with up in 2018 declare in two paragraph memo that City Council was not apprised of that the city attorney no longer had to get approval for settlement agreements. That was completely illegal, completely against the charter. We had to spend six months fighting one or two different city attorneys to get that undone. And we finally did. That person should have been fired. We had a city attorney who decided not to put the charter amendments on the ballot that the City Council and the charter group. How is it that there's no recourse for City Council to deal with that? How is it that if somebody -- how many employees do we have to have make complaints, go to HR and suddenly the mayor's office gets involved and undoes HR and protects people that are yelling and screaming and doing other things, discriminating against employees. What is our recourse supposed to be? How are we supposed to protect the employees of the city if the mayor herself is not willing to protect them? How are we supposed to protect the citizens from city attorneys who openly break the law and misinterpret the law. We've got to be able to have some teeth in the charter to fight back against that, to protect the citizens and to protect the employees of the city. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:13:43PM A couple of points. I hear what -- both -- actually hear what everybody is saying. I hear the points. For councilman Miranda's objection, I also see the other side of this where you have I say the carrot and the stick. As members of Tampa City Council, one of the expectations citizens have is they call my office to resolve issues they have with the city. The trash didn't get picked up. So how we are able to resolve that issue is I can turn around and call City staff to resolve that. If you get in a situation where City staff refuses to speak to you or refuses to call you back, you can't do your job. I actually when I first took office experienced that same situation. I had a director of a department would not call me back. That's what first got this in my headset. Now, I will say that I am -- I no longer enjoy that displeasure. I find that staff has been very responsive to me subsequent to that. That was one particular individual. So I see where there is definitely a systemic issue, and I know there was a time, a previous mayor -- this is anecdotal. Somebody may tell me I'm wrong. Had an edict out that their senior staff -- or their staff was not allowed to speak to City Council. That was supposedly revoked soon afterwards when they found out how chaotic it became. But they were actually forbidden by the mayor to speak to City Council at some point. So I see that point as well. But I'm also very sensitive to what Councilman Viera said. And I definitely do see it now in black and white on the screen that I don't necessarily want to say that I don't like John Bennett. I'm going to round up five votes to fire John Bennett without cause because I think you should always have cause. I would actually maybe challenge, Mr. Tinkler, to insert language that would show -- you would have to show some type of cause of that action so it's not just me disliking somebody personally, but there's been a cause. I know there was a mayor some years ago, which we all know and love, that had a problematic employee that ended up going to jail over some things but refused to fire that person because they felt they had a strong connection to that person and refused to fire that person. That person committed a criminal act. You've got those situations. I think if we had this type of language that had cause in it, and that maybe that would be palatable. Any thoughts? Councilman Miranda and then back for round two.

Charlie Miranda

2:16:37PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I've had the pleasure of working with five mayors. They were all different yet all the same. Different and the same? Yes. Different in attitude, different in personalities, different in getting things done. However, one thing in common, they all wanted to be better than the mayor that served before them. Therefore, it gave us what we have today. A successful city. However, that being said, there was one mayor that knew how to work and understand what was going on, that's the personality of the individual. There is a vast difference in how you present things. That mayor would come and talk to every council member. No matter what you think you need or what you think you have to talk to me about, I don't care how small it is or how big it is, no matter who is in my office, you tell the receptionist that you want to see me and I'm coming out to talk to you. You know who that was, dick greco. He never had a problem with one council member that I can know of. Not one. No matter who he was talking to. I don't care if it was the president of the United States of America, he would come out. That's what made him who he was. Accessible. Some have personalities. Some don't have personality. To me -- and time in history. One mayor, poor thing had to lay off 750 some people. That was pam iorio. She had to play defense on everything she did. She did well for the City of Tampa by doing that. Everyone has to face the military service that you have, like a combat zone. If you don't have the ammunition, you can't win the war. The mayor and the council has got to work together. You may hear differences. If I have to tell a man to go to hell, I don't care who it is. I tell them personally. I don't wait for anything else. It's over as soon as I do that. That's the way you have to be. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for allowing me that.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:41PM Councilwoman Young hasn't spoken yet.

Naya Young

2:18:45PM Actually, the point that you brought up is actually what I was going to ask to Councilman Viera's point, having some kind of -- sounds like some kind of system or scorecard or a just reasoning as to why we would make this decision. That was actually going to be my question, but also understanding Councilman Carlson, your point of having some kind of recourse for things that are happening. I've been on this council the shortest amount of time. I've had instances where you're talking to department heads, we're trying to work together, trying to get things done. I think that this just has that accountability but also, at the end of the day, I think we all want to work together and kind of have this camaraderie to move the city forward. But I think having language in there that has some kind of reasoning, it's not like I just don't like that you're wearing a blue tie today. No offense, Charlie. But I think that would be good to have in there. I love your blue tie, Charlie. I promise.

Luis Viera

2:20:02PM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, with issues as discussed, where there are conflicts with department heads and so forth, it's too subjective. Even the threat. This is the problem. Five votes is a lot to get, but even the threat of four votes or three votes will really scare somebody a lot, potentially unjustly. One thing I thought of, there is no method for impeachment of -- I use the word impeachment, whatever, but of City Council members. Why in the world don't we include council members under this as well for whatever standard if we pass it for department heads. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander? That we have that in legislative matters and other bodies. We have that in executive matters in other bodies. I'm just putting that out there. If we're throwing so much spotlight and so much scrutiny on department heads, which, again, I'm open to some of that. Why not look at council members as well.

Alan Clendenin

2:21:09PM We don't have impeachment of the mayor. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:21:13PM Yeah, I agree with council member Miranda about mayor greco. I've had conversations with him about it. He would say -- I would pick up the phone call. I tell them to come talk to me. If you're enlightened and if you have a strong personality, you will listen to people who disagree with you and you'll try to work things out. If you don't, you try to force your opinion. That's what has caused this conflict. Because whoever is mayor has to realize they are not king or queen. This is a legislative body. None of the seven of us agree with each other much less with the mayor. What somebody has got to do is build consensus among all of it. I like the idea of having something of cause. But the mayor controls the HR department, the Legal Department and all these other departments. They also control the Purchasing Department and ultimately the funds once they are approved so we can't even do an investigation of somebody without some process. This is the flaw with all this. By the way, the mayor does have the ability to impeach City Council members. She did it twice and tried to do it three times in the last term. Use city resources to work against City Council members I believe illegally, but we didn't have any recourse to fight back against that. They didn't even want to pay legal fees for the City Council members to defend themselves. I paid 20 something thousand dollars in legal fees and I got reimbursed like five. It was a horrible situation that the city, the mayor's office was using city resources to attack three City Council members and almost four. I mean, we should have had the right to -- if we had the right to impeach the mayor, she would have been impeached back then. But we should have been able to push back especially against the city attorney. Out of all of the appointees, the one that the charter clearly says, also reports to City Council is the city attorney. But until Scott Steady, that really hasn't happened. They are all great people. I love them all and had long conversations with, I think all of them since then. Whoever is the mayor controls them and pays their bills and tells them what to do. We need to have a balance of power with that. If we say it's for cause, but then every complaint I've made, the city attorney has said, well, I can't investigate it. The City Council has no power to do anything, so what are we supposed to do. Doesn't matter if what the City staff are doing is illegal or unethical. Then they use the communication department to fight back, conspiracy theory or personality conflict or whatever, no, running a political campaign using taxpayer monies is against the law. That's clear. The last thing I'll say is, we dealt with the scarlet Lopez case. I recommend people read the depositions of the scarlet Lopez case. If you read that, it's absolutely disgusting. I feel badly for the employees of the city that have been subject to that kind of treatment, not just in that department, but across the board and City Council has no power in the charter whatsoever to protect employees in the city. It's terrible that we're not able to do that. When you read the depositions of the mayor's staff and how they treated and how they worked together, it's horrible.

Alan Clendenin

2:24:43PM A couple of things. In this FY '27 budget, we now have money to be able to legislative investigations associated with our legislative, per charter, our legislative authority.

Bill Carlson

2:24:57PM Do we have the right to hire them without going through purchasing?

Alan Clendenin

2:25:01PM We have the right to hire staff, the legal staff to be able to help with that. We had that money put in, so I have that in council's budget for FY '27. So that should resolve part of what you just described.

Bill Carlson

2:25:16PM Simple, easiest answer, if Clendenin is the chair of City Council and he goes to the mayor, whoever the mayor is and says, hey, one of your staff members is doing something illegal, the mayor should look into it. If doing something illegal, fire them. Simple way to handle it.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:31PM It's interesting. Honestly, I kind of feel like I have that relationship right now. It was a rough start with me when I first started. But it's smoothed out over the last three and a half years. We've had -- I've had contentious meetings. I've had some really contentious meetings. I think generally when I come with concerns directly for myself, I think they have been addressed. An example is what we just described about the stuff happening at hanna with the issue on the agenda today. That was addressed by our city attorney staff and that's been killed. Won't happen again. That was all through discussion. I didn't know that because of sunshine we weren't able to talk. I guess you had the discussions as well. I brought those concerns up. It's been resolved by staff. Anyway, without spiraling further into discussion here, I kind of feel like I heard that if this was for cause -- are you comfortable taking this language and trying to find that language to insert in this?

Ken tinkler

2:26:39PM I believe I need more direction as to whether you're looking for --

Alan Clendenin

2:26:42PM Council would have the ability with five votes to remove with cause.

Ken tinkler

2:26:47PM If I could, I heard two different processes. One would be simply to include language regarding cause within the language we have here, and the second was more of a trial, impeachment, that kind of thing. I want to make sure I'm understanding.

Alan Clendenin

2:27:03PM I think that is a bridge too far.

Luis Viera

2:27:08PM I'll be frank, all of the discussion on this has really turned me away from this a lot. I'll talk, if I may, Mr. Chair, you talked about your relationship with the mayor with Mayor Jane Castor. I voted to override five of her vetoes. After hurricane milton, she and I on some issues, we disagreed a lot. We had heated conversations. On fire stations, we disagree on certain things. We've had a lot of disagreements. I've always gotten along with her. I think she's an amazing person. I do. I think she is a stellar person, a person of humility and so forth, but we've had big disagreements on issues. Big disagreements. When I see the rationale for this, I see things that could turn out to spiral out of control. For me, taking somebody out with cause, quote, unquote, that's too subjective. Way too subjective. Something better defined with more scrutiny, more accountability. If we remove somebody, there's got to be a very detailed process. A very detailed process which would include some sort of hearing on that.

Alan Clendenin

2:28:15PM Can't have a City Council meeting and get five votes without basically hearing. In their language they inserted that they have due process rights. Been able to come and be heard. I think the devil is in the details of what language, Mr. Tinkler, he was able to insert into this, maybe there's language there that gets you to where you need to be.

Luis Viera

2:28:41PM Call me a skeptic.

Alan Clendenin

2:28:45PM Let's do a vote. I'm thinking that there's not enough votes to accept it as is without language. If the attorney was able to insert cause type of language into this and we still have another bite. We don't have to approve what comes back. But if the perfect language existed that there was some cause inserted in here, would you support this change to 6.03? All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

2:29:22PM It has to come back.

Lynn Hurtak

2:29:24PM Can we see what comes back?

Luis Viera

2:29:27PM Ten seconds, if I may. I'm a very, very big skeptic. I'm going to vote no. I'm open to seeing what comes back.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:35PM If you vote no, it's not coming back.

Luis Viera

2:29:39PM We have four yes? Let's do a roll call. Again, I'm open, but at this point --

Alan Clendenin

2:29:49PM Let's do that again. Just raise your hands, if you are in favor of coming back with language for us to look at it again. Raise your hand. It's 4-3 with Councilman Miranda, Maniscalco, and Viera voting no.

Lynn Hurtak

2:30:09PM I really haven't spoken much during this one. I really think something about cause, but if there's any specificity in other charters that you think might be. Having listened to this conversation, if there's some other specificity that you think might be helpful, that would be great.

Ken tinkler

2:30:27PM We'll absolutely look into that.

Alan Clendenin

2:30:29PM You are comfortable with that?

Ken tinkler

2:30:31PM I believe I have direction from four of you to pursue other language related to cause.

Naya Young

2:30:36PM Again, because I want to see what comes back. As I'm listening to you all, I really can see both sides for the yea and nay. My vote was to see what comes back to us and then go from there.

Alan Clendenin

2:30:52PM Thank you. We moved past 6.03. Next. A.

Bill Carlson

2:31:02PM It's not going to affect this mayor anyway.

Alan Clendenin

2:31:04PM I know. Let's move on. Sorry.

Ken tinkler

2:31:08PM Section 7.07, there was a desire by council to remove provision regarding upon the recommendation of the mayor regarding budget changes. We did add language along the lines of in the manner consistent with general law simply because chapter 166 has a certain process that you have to follow when amending the budget and didn't want to appear that we were conflicting with that provision.

Alan Clendenin

2:31:34PM Anybody with questions? All those in favor of accepting language change for 7.07 say aye. Opposed? Okay. The vote was unanimous.

Ken tinkler

2:31:50PM Next section would be in addition to the charter. New article 12, section 12.01 regarding the office of inspector is general. You have the full outline in your memo. I've broken it out in sections to fit within the slides. I'm not going to read everything here, but to give you the general sense of what is here, obviously, establishing an individual as the inspector general as well as an office regarding the various measures that you wanted this office to look into. A noninterference provision calls out, obviously, using some of the language that was provided to us. We added in language that the office may utilize the services of the Human Resources Department but not be subject to its authority because there was some discussion about being overridden by executive. We also included language that the council had asked for regarding the various officers not being able to direct this individual or impede them. Council indicated that you'd like to have an implementing ordinance for some of the details here. We did include some basic provisions using the miami beach model that was recommended to us, along with others, that some minimum standards to say what this ordinance has to include, which includes having this inspector general selection committee, the membership, procedures, process for appointment and reappointments, that this be an open merit-based process. Also the ordinance would set the number of personnel for the office, provide for initial funding because obviously there would not be a budget at the time this was established and provide the employees of the office be entitled to the same benefits as similarly situated employees. This is language that also appears in your city clerk provision. So we were mirroring that. To be clear, since this section sits outside of both the legislative branch and the executive branch, we included a provision that this office doesn't exercise powers of the other branches. It has access to the individuals but does not usurp their powers. It does though grant them specific powers in the next section as far as initiating an investigation, audit or review or acting on its own initiative. We gave the office the discretion to decide whether or not they wish to proceed if something is in the public interest or not. And also that they had the power to file ethics complaints, refer matters outside, independent, obviously, of the rest of the city. For subpoena authority, given the desire to include that, we looked again to the miami beach model, and they had some interesting language there that we thought was useful about making sure that they could seek judicial enforcement of subpoenas. But we also had some caveats that they had to inquire whether there was a companion criminal investigation going on as to not interfere with that. It was a very interesting provision. Sub-2 that talks to the fact they can't use subpoenas to battle somebody else with subpoena authority over them. Again, trying to prevent a vicious circle. Next section regarding cooperation, requires cooperation, obviously, city officers, employees, contractors, as to appointment, you indicated you wanted five members of City Council upon nomination of this selection committee. Wanted a five-year term. We also included five votes to remove and also a basis for termination and the ability to respond.

Alan Clendenin

2:35:50PM Is this a good time to pause? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:35:54PM Can you go back real quick? Is there a way that you could look at this j portion when we're talking about what we just discussed earlier?

Ken tinkler

2:36:06PM That just popped into my mind. We'll build that thought in.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:10PM I like redundancy. It looks like we're pausing for a couple of questions. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:36:20PM I want to mention, yesterday, unsolicited, I had a former retired auditor who is very well-respected, not going to say the name, someone very well-respected worked with lots of big government agencies and went through a bunch of recommendations on this. He said one of the main things he said, if you create a position like this you need to get rid of the internal auditor because they basically do the same thing because what you're going to do otherwise is set up a fight between the internal auditor and the inspector general. In reality, the auditor, the way it is set up now, the auditor reports to the mayor. Really what they do is process analysis. They don't do in-depth audits the way that other government agencies do. As I talked to him, he's worked with a lot of big and small government agencies. We have an auditor and CEOs of organizations like to say, oh, we have an auditor that comes in, but look at arthur andersen and a bunch of other companies. The auditor will come in and they don't look at every document. They specifically say in their documents they don't look for fraud. You have an inspector general and an auditor, but if the auditor is looking at process, inspector general is looking more deeply, then we need to figure that out. The other thing, so my recommendation is that we combine them in whatever we're going to call them so there's not two departments fighting each other. And then the other thing is that in most organizations, especially in the private sector, the auditor and inspector general reports to the board. We are a corporation, we're the board and the mayor is the CEO. They report to the board because the City Council and the board have no authority to run the day-to-day activities. We have no oversight to it other than the reports that we're able to get from them. So the purpose of the auditor is for the board and for the public to be able to have a line of sight into it. He had a lot of recommendations. The other was that we should look closely at the state inspector general and maybe even get some advice from the state inspector general as to how this should be structured so it's not set up to provide conflict.

Alan Clendenin

2:38:43PM I don't support combining because it might appear to be -- same function. Audit department is much more different. It has a totally different function, at least how I perceive what the IG would be. I think they perform some very distinctive functions and not the function of what an outside inspector general would be looking at. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:11PM How much more do you have after this slide?

Ken tinkler

2:39:15PM We have this slide and one other.

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:18PM No, no, just on this section. One more slide on this?

Ken tinkler

2:39:22PM Correct.

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:23PM Real quick, how much does this differ from I believe it was board member creighton who championed this with the charter review. I spoke to my appointee, Mr. Stephen Benson, I think he mentioned creighton, and creighton did send his recommendation to all of us. How different is this from what he proposed, meaning what the board discussed, and did the board vote to support moving forward with inspector general?

Ken tinkler

2:39:54PM The board did vote and included recommended inspector general provision in their final report. There were many versions proposed during that process. So I don't know if this matches up exactly to bobby's or not, but it is substantially different. That provision restricted the inspector general acting on a complaint basis as far as they had to receive a complaint in writing in order to proceed with an investigation. Cakes was you wanted them to act on their own initiative.

Guido Maniscalco

2:40:27PM Mr. Creighton or the board's proposal, it had to be complaint driven, not that the inspector general could initiate their own investigation.

Ken tinkler

2:40:36PM I don't want to put words in any particular member's mouth because they had a very intense discussion about this. The adopted version that came from the commission had much more -- many more limitations as to this role, including that provision, the adoption provision, no subpoena power except for documents, things along those lines.

Guido Maniscalco

2:40:58PM This here says subpoena power, which what authority does an inspector general have to receive -- to issue a subpoena, receive a response? It says here, if not, they would have to petition the court or go to court to get a judgment, wouldn't that be the case anyway? Does approving something like this, if the voters approved this, would it give subpoena power? By law, could be created or always have to go through a court and have a judge sign off? How does that work?

Ken tinkler

2:41:29PM What you're creating here is the ability for an inspector general to issue subpoena.

Guido Maniscalco

2:41:34PM Enforceable subpoena or somebody could say you're not a judge.

Ken tinkler

2:41:39PM If I may, issue a subpoena, to enforce that subpoena then, that would require using the legal system and involving a judge. The grant -- right now, there is no authority granted to this individual without this language to issue subpoenas, as an exception, not the rule.

Guido Maniscalco

2:41:58PM For the creation of the board or the appointees that would then select the inspector general, would that come to applicants would come to City Council and we would create that board or how would it be created?

Ken tinkler

2:42:10PM I'll give you the comparison. Charter Review Commission set forth the specific board by title. Your indication to me is you wanted to defer on that and set it by ordinance as to who is a member of the committee and their process.

Guido Maniscalco

2:42:23PM Then the board would select the inspector general.

Ken tinkler

2:42:26PM Correct. Under your provision here. Under the Charter Review Commission, it was a combined board and mayor appointment process. Under your provision, it is solely the council.

Guido Maniscalco

2:42:38PM Last question. I believe I saw it, in order to remove inspector general, done by motion of City Council, supermajority five votes or four votes? What protection do we have for the city and for the council?

Ken tinkler

2:42:57PM You had it on five affirmative votes. You had to provide the individual with a resolution that outlined the basis for termination and give them the ability to respond both in writing and a public meeting. The fact that you didn't like the report was not a basis.

Guido Maniscalco

2:43:13PM Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:16PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:43:16PM I was going to say this because I was acting as chair at the time. But what really happened on the Charter Review Commission is people were starting to go in different directions. They decided to put something on so it could get to us and they did expect it to change substantially, and that's what we did.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:43PM Councilman Viera first.

Luis Viera

2:43:44PM Thank you, chair. Mr. Tinkler, again, thank you for your work and your professionalism. You've put in a lot of hard work. Thank you. We all appreciate you very much. I may have missed this. I apologize. The appointment -- so council by a vote of five will confirm, what have you, the selection of this individual by the committee. Do we know who is on the committee at council?

Alan Clendenin

2:44:10PM Ordinance.

Luis Viera

2:44:10PM Okay. Good. I like the fact that the removal has specific criteria because we want to guard against any abuse of council power with this individual, whoever he or she may be. That's it. Good stuff. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:44:31PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:44:35PM Not only do we have the internal department that does the internal audits, but we also have external auditors who come in from whoever we do business with, in some area in the government that gives facts or whatever monies we get, receive from whatever division they give us to facilitate our needs. And those that I've been here, I've never seen one from the external auditor or the internal auditor that didn't have something that minor little things so many days to correct whatever it was, and then you follow up on it and tell you exactly what happened. It's cleared out. May be delayed by whatever situation it was, the paper work wasn't done at the correct time it was supposed to be done or whatever it was. But never anything I knew that was criminal intent or any lax like that in my years of service. Can I only tell you what I've seen from the internal division this one and the one prior to this one and external auditors. Never seen one where it was blown out of proportion, some corruption in any form of government.

Ken tinkler

2:45:45PM There are five more provisions to go through.

Bill Carlson

2:45:50PM Two things. The internal auditor from the ones I've seen are mostly process analysis. Audits, they take samples of data. They don't look at every piece of data. They take samples of data. They also explicitly say they are not looking for fraud. You would have to have an investigation to look at fraud, and right now we have no capability to do that. The second thing is that my son is going away for several months at about 3:30. In about 20 minutes, hopefully I'll leave so I can say good-bye to him.

Alan Clendenin

2:46:25PM Mr. Tinkler. Continue. Let him finish the rest.

Ken tinkler

2:46:30PM If we can get the powerpoint back on. Provision regarding vacancy. Just wanted to highlight we took the provision regarding vacancy that came from the commission. It does not provide for an interim person in this role. The commission's feeling on that was that interim was not appropriate. Just wanted to flag that, though, it's unusual. We did include language since there is a provision in the charter regarding internal audit that this was not meant to otherwise interfere with that provision. We saw this as distinct in that the inspector general has an audit ability but it is not the auditor. So that was the reason for the clarification there. The funding provision, indication of a desire to have independence on the funding. Obviously, we're restricted a toss how state law requires you handle a budget. We included language that the office would submit a budget to the mayor for inclusion within the annual budget, notwithstanding any contrary authority that the mayor has, it would be presented as fully recommended by the inspector general to you in the annual budget process. It doesn't mean you don't amend it or his amendments aren't down the road. It's just amendments -- before it gets to you and the recommended budget. That is a change to your budget process. Next provision regarding legal counsel. Given the city attorney represents the city as a whole, we included them, utilize the services of the city attorney office or may retain independent counsel subject to limitation of funding in their annual budget. The rest is regarding implementation. Simply puts you on a clock as to how, if this should pass, the timeline to get the ordinance passed in order to get the committee spun up and be able to proceed with activating the office. That's the full provision. Questions on that?

Alan Clendenin

2:48:33PM I think you fixed a couple of the holes that we had. So I appreciate that work as well. I think you have done stellar work on this. Any other input on this? Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

2:48:43PM Thank you, sir. For confirmation, it's only City Council. Does the mayor have any say in this whatsoever, whoever he or she may be in the future?

Lynn Hurtak

2:49:00PM Technically, yes, because we're writing an ordinance and she has to sign the ordinance.

Luis Viera

2:49:07PM I mean in the future --

Alan Clendenin

2:49:08PM Subject to inspector general, too.

Luis Viera

2:49:13PM By the way, if I may, Mr. Chair, I see Mr. Greco here, Mr. Coen. Is there any other -- just if any of them --

Alan Clendenin

2:49:23PM We're still moving on this.

Ken tinkler

2:49:27PM I have one more section after this piece.

Alan Clendenin

2:49:29PM On the IG?

Ken tinkler

2:49:31PM One more in clarification of direction. The last of the charter language. Couple more slides.

Alan Clendenin

2:49:38PM That's it for the IG, though?

Ken tinkler

2:49:40PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

2:49:41PM All those in favor of accepting the IG language as proposed say aye. Opposed? The vote was unanimous. Continue.

Ken tinkler

2:49:52PM Just a few items we need direction on as we're proceeding. The first, city has used two different paths in the past as far as how to handle these kind of charter amendments. You have done comprehensive ordinances, obviously, the last time you did that, some items did not make the ballot. The alternative is an individual ordinance based upon topic. I definitely lean that way, but it's not my call. It's the client --

Alan Clendenin

2:50:18PM I'll call for the vote. All in favor of the individual ordinances, aye. It was unanimous.

Bill Carlson

2:50:26PM Just so I can let you know and council member Hurtak can correct me if I'm wrong, but when she and I were on the Charter Review Commission together in 2016, and then City Council voted over which there are three members here now, but as I recall there were like 16 changes we made and those were condensed down to like four amendments.

Lynn Hurtak

2:50:49PM 18. 18 amendments. We had to vote on 18 amendments.

Bill Carlson

2:50:54PM Anyways, something happened where they got dropped off. We need to make sure that however it's defined that it is accurate. I read one a little while ago that I thought was completely inaccurate.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:09PM That will be Mr. Shelby's responsibility now. It will be our responsibility. We need to accept that responsibility. We also have a timetable, and all this was -- this entire process when we started this, Ms. Kopesky, Mr. Shelby and myself, putting the structure together and getting the team together, our facilitator, our lawyer, we started on the date when our Supervisor of Elections could take the information that we're going to provide, translate it into spanish and have a ballot ready. We took the date and started backing up. That's how we've gotten to where we are today. When we get this back, we have to meet the deadlines for craig latimer to get this on the ballot. We have to accept responsibility to make sure we read this to make sure it's right. Okay. Continue.

Ken tinkler

2:51:56PM If we can bring the slides back up. The other piece, you gave me some direction here on amendments. I just wanted to make sure that you're not anticipating another workshop on this, that your next -- my next experience would be regarding bringing you the ordinance at public hearing.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:13PM My assumption, when we finish this I'm going to call for a vote on having you go back and finish up this draft language and ordinance format. Once that comes back, you'll bring it back to us as a package on November 5. When that happens, then we'll be on the fast track to move forward. I don't think we need another workshop on this. I think we're done. Is there anybody that opposes that? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

2:52:45PM Let me chime in with the what-ifs. Because you do have another meeting, and I don't know what could be accomplished between now and the 15th of October so you could at least have a status report.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:58PM That's what I was going to ask.

Martin Shelby

2:52:59PM Well, because if you get into a debate when this is in ordinance form presented to you for first reading consideration, it's going to be almost an impossible logistical task to be able to amend that on the fly.

Lynn Hurtak

2:53:17PM I make a motion to have an update at the next City Council meeting, which is October 15, during staff reports.

Charlie Miranda

2:53:27PM Second.

Lynn Hurtak

2:53:28PM We can do a time certain if necessary. 1:30 again? That way you know and we know.

Alan Clendenin

2:53:39PM Can you state what the expectations of that update would be?

Lynn Hurtak

2:53:43PM To take all of the questions and concerns and instead of doing the entire thing like you did this time, actually, do exactly what you did this time. Anything that were changes you bring back to us in this very same format, which is very easy to read. I also appreciated having the presentation beforehand so I got to look over it, even though just the day before, perfectly fine. That would be my request.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:09PM I have a motion, is there a second? Second from Councilman Miranda. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

2:54:17PM No, I just wanted to give an update. So I was tasked with the ordinance regarding section 7.2, which was the progress of the city projects. Number 22 for the questions that Chair Clendenin had. I did talk to Attorney Steady. And we should have it if not by our next council meeting, before by the 15th. So we'll have that in addition to these things.

Lynn Hurtak

2:54:41PM Perfect.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:42PM Is that charter or ordinance?

Naya Young

2:54:45PM This would be ordinance.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:50PM We have a bunch of ordinances on the hot sheet ready to come.

Martin Shelby

2:54:53PM First of all, did you have a question, madam clerk?

The clerk

2:54:57PM [Inaudible]

Lynn Hurtak

2:54:58PM Yes. It is your intention to return.

Ken tinkler

2:55:01PM Correct.

Martin Shelby

2:55:02PM That's 1:30 time certain on the --

Lynn Hurtak

2:55:06PM October 15.

Martin Shelby

2:55:07PM I want to share, council and put this in context, you only have two regular meetings in the month of October. That is the 1st and the 15th. Then actually after that the next regular meeting would be when this is scheduled for first reading.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:21PM Correct. Hopefully we'll only need that one 1:30 time set. I have a motion and I have a second. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you, Mr. Tinkler. Very good work. Honestly, really, really good work. Exceeded my already high expectation. Your reputation was well deserved.

Ken tinkler

2:55:42PM Appreciate it, council. Thank you for the direction. See you in two weeks.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:45PM I have members of the Charter Review Commission. I would like to hear from you guys. How many do we have here? I see two? Somebody hiding behind Mr. Tinkler, because he is a big dude? Would you guys like to speak? Do you have anything you would like to say? At least recognize you. I see Mr. Alan Cohn and garrett greco. Heard people talk about your grandfather today. On the charter review --

2:56:17PM State your name. Review commission. I would say that council is headed in the right direction. As Councilwoman Hurtak stated, I think the proponents of the IG felt this was a sort of compromise to get it to City Council. It seems that council is going a little bit in a stronger direction. So I think that's a good thing, speaking for myself. I would say we tried to keep it independent of political influence. One of the things we sent to you guys had the mayor and a member of council, I think the chair, picking a seat on the selection committee. That probably should be removed when it comes back to you guys again. It was? Okay. Good. Lastly was the special zoning hearing master. I know that council had no appetite for that. I tried to express that to the commission. I was the only no vote on it. I will say the commission, I think the public and all of you recognize the contention behind land use decisions at council. The best way to fix that is fixing our antiquated and suburbanized land development code. We have our first meeting back tomorrow At 10 a.m. the land development code advisory team meeting at Tampa city center at hanna. Councilwoman Hurtak, you've been before, 10 a.m. I encourage all of you to show up or send someone there to check it out. Thank you. I am Councilman Viera's appointee to the charter review and also vice-chair of it. As garrett was saying, responding to Councilwoman Hurtak, we did want to leave room for the City Council to make the changes that it felt important to the inspector general to make it your own. We did have suggestions of having, giving the City Council and the mayor an opportunity to have a participant on the panel that would select that person. For the reason that we wanted both sides to have buy-in on the selection. But given the decision of the City Council, This is going to be a strong system in terms of picking the right person for this position. Also, one other point, we also wanted to make sure that we were not taking resources away from the city, whether it's in the auditor's department or HR, which we recognize has other responsibilities. And we wanted to make sure that the inspector general had its own staff and ability to pursue the issues that need to be pursued. And one other thing, I'm also really glad that -- Councilwoman Young has been -- and her appointee to the charter review, pushed for a system of transparency in terms of finding out what the development status is of different projects. I am glad that the City Council Will consider this by ordinance. We think it's very important that this happen in the city. It may not be in the place of the charter to do it, but I'm really happy that it's going to be done by ordinance. Thank you very much.

2:59:41PM Thank you. Before we leave this issue, I think we need to address City Council compensation. Mr. Shelby, would you please -- there is an issue with it. Because we had it in the charter, said ordinance, and found out maybe we can't.

Martin Shelby

2:59:56PM If we go back to where we were -- can I ask Mr. Tinkler to bring up 6.06? This is going to affect -- I want to be clear on what council's intention is and what the charter will provide, presently provides, and what is proposed. There is a change to 6.06. Council didn't take any action.

Alan Clendenin

3:00:22PM Just a refresher, so we had some proposed lank that would amend the charter, putting in a formula that would create basically a salary sled between council salary and the mayor's salary. Because of existing charter language, I've been advised by council attorney and City Council staff that that language could not be done by ordinance that we would have to amend the charter. That's why I'm bringing it up now. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:00:59PM So from my understanding, the only part that we can't continue with is basically setting a -- setting parameters around how it moves forward.

Alan Clendenin

3:01:15PM Basically says it has to be done by resolution?

Lynn Hurtak

3:01:19PM We can do a resolution.

Martin Shelby

3:01:22PM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. As of right now, and Mr. Vaske, who has worked very closely with City Council in preparing the resolutions that are in effect today, he may be able to do it. But if you could go to 6.06 because -- there is a change to correct it to put in what was missing that was not presented to the voters that does allow it to be changed by ordinance, is that correct?

Ken tinkler

3:01:50PM If we can bring up the slides, happy to go through it.

Martin Shelby

3:02:11PM As we speak here today, the ordinance is missing the language or ordinance of the council recommended and approved in writing by the mayor. As of now, with the corrected municode ordinance as -- in effect, it does not allow it except by resolution. And Mr. Vaske, that's correct. Okay. I see him nodding. What that means is that if you ultimately wanted to create a formula by ordinance, that would be done by City Council, by public hearing and approved by the mayor consistent with this section. And that would be subject to whatever you choose to do. And that would only be changed then -- it wouldn't be set in stone in the charter, but it would be available to be changed and amended depending upon circumstances, depending upon the City Council. So it looks to me that when you reviewed this and I saw that you passed by it, I would think that that change would then allow you to then after this is accepted, assuming it is accepted by the voter, to then create by ordinance the formula that you would want in effect.

Alan Clendenin

3:03:30PM Let me interpret your legal-speak. I'll speak in clear english. What they are saying is the existing charter only allows this council to set salary by resolution. If we wanted to accept -- let's say today there are two options. Based on what Mr. Shelby and Mr. Vaske have said. Because of the restrictions, we have two options. We can change the charter to include the proposed language for setting the salaries based on a formula, or this moves forward and if this passes, we would have the ability to pass an ordinance after this passed. So those are our two options. If you want to resolve it now and put it on the charter, that's an option. If you want to just go with this language and wait to see what the voters do with this and then the next, but then the next council still will have to vote on their own salary.

Luis Viera

3:04:34PM How can I say this? Dealing with this issue for a while. And I felt very strongly about the idea that we should not be voting for -- so, first, though, that we shouldn't be voting for a pay raise and 27th amendment to the U.S. constitution in Tampa, but there is an issue that is just as important to me, which is that City Council should have a higher salary because most people can't have two jobs. This is a job that requires a lot. Attorneys, I'm an attorney. I'm very lucky that I can manage my practice and do this. It's hard, but I do it. But a lot of folks can't do that. Is there any way that we can go ahead and raise it for next term to a certain level to have it done? I would be willing to motion for it, by the way.

Lynn Hurtak

3:05:27PM That would be a resolution.

Martin Shelby

3:05:28PM Yes, exactly. Notice the quiet gesture of Mr. Tinkler. Could I point your attention back to the screen that says what is presently in the charter. It says that the salaries may be increased or decreased at any time by concurrence of the mayor and a majority of the entire City Council by resolution. Mr. Vaske, with that introduction.

Justin Vaske

3:05:58PM Justin Vaske, Legal Department. The formula that you've come up with we could just do that by resolution, and we can do it in the future for the next term of office. But we would be keeping the current resolution in place until such time that we have the new resolution.

Lynn Hurtak

3:06:19PM My question is, we have this coming up on the November 5, but it says return with proposed ordinance. Could I change that since it's my motion, could I change it to Legal Department to work with Chair Clendenin to return with a resolution regarding City Council compensation?

3:06:43PM That is my motion for the November 5 meeting change proposed ordinance to proposed resolution.

Alan Clendenin

3:06:48PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilwoman Young. Any discussion? All in favor, aye. Opposed?

Guido Maniscalco

3:06:55PM Nay.

Lynn Hurtak

3:06:56PM I like this ordinance language.

Alan Clendenin

3:06:59PM Please read the vote.

The clerk

3:07:03PM Motion passes with Maniscalco voting no.

Luis Viera

3:07:09PM I want to emphasize how important this is, which is that if you are on Tampa City Council, it's really hard to do -- so many people are precluded from doing this. So we're doing this for the next council so that more people can run for office and be part of the civic process. The way it is right now, you preclude -- forget about the expense of running for office which really sucks, but you also preclude people from ever taking office. That's just unjust. That's why I'm very supportive. It is the right thing to do.

Alan Clendenin

3:07:44PM Any other business on the charter? Do you have your marching orders and good to go? Everybody happy? Very good. Sam Thomas, please bring the newer documents to council chambers.

Bill Carlson

3:08:02PM I'm going to take off to see my son. Motion to accept my form 8b.

Alan Clendenin

3:08:10PM Motion from Councilman Carlson to accept his form. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. In front of you was proposed rules for filling district 7. I made a couple of very scrivener kind of modifications. One was putting the date that the application was due on the top and on the bottom. Councilman Miranda, would you please bring your conversation to the lobby? For those of you that have a copy that doesn't say draft, please shred it, tear it up, because I don't want it to get mixed up with other things. It doesn't get floated around as a valid --

Lynn Hurtak

3:09:09PM Ms. Scharf, can you please bring my personal phone. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:09:14PM Before you is proposed guidelines for filling the district 7 vacancy. We had an aggressive schedule. In an attempt to minimize the amount of vacancy period that district 7 has on council with all the big issues coming before council, always good to have somebody sitting in all seven seats. Just so you know, the difference between the documents you have now with draft and the one you had previous, it has as you can see on the bottom, applications must be submitted to and accepted by the city clerk by 12 p.m. Monday, November 9. I also have that same line underneath where they have to sign so that there's -- there is a clear indication and on the top of the form as well. It's in two places. Top of the form, bottom of the form. What is anticipated, when you turn the page over, that the applicants will fill out the hard copy form and they will submit a business resum . All of those rules are included on the back of page 1. So page 2, and policy, procedures, what is expected for them to include in their application, which is a filled out application, which has the declaration of how long you've been a resident of the city and how long you've been a resident of district seven. Are you a registered voter, sit on any of the boards and basic contact information, date of birth, blah, blah, blah. The resum will have all of the details that we consider as far as their background experience for informational purposes. If you turn to the front page, the cover page, the top half is just a summary of the related laws of how we fill those positions. The timeline and the summary of the project, that's the meat of the matter, the problem is, we've got holidays. We've got a whole bunch of things happening here. I'll call out the complexity right away off the top so you know what we have one problem. And that is the November 12. November 12 is a CRA day meeting and a night meeting. Let me show you what we're trying to accomplish and if anybody has any other ideas, we can talk about that. Thursday, October 15, council approves the selection process. Well, here we are.

Martin Shelby

3:11:29PM Mr. Chairman, that's not true. Today is the first. This is a draft. I should also point out, Mr. Chairman, a reminder, you and I had a private discussion, the application is also a draft. If I can have an opportunity to speak briefly, when the time has come it needs to be amended, the application and, quite frankly, the public should know that this application will actually not be available until the date of the vacancy.

Alan Clendenin

3:12:00PM We'll get there.

Martin Shelby

3:12:01PM I know that.

Alan Clendenin

3:12:03PM On the 15th, we'll approve the process and timeline. On the third, the city clerk will make the application available to the public at 9 a.m. Tuesday, November 3rd. On Monday, November 9, application deadline is 12 p.m. noon. Applicants -- applications must be submitted to and accepted by the city clerk by that deadline. On Tuesday, November 10, the reason why the compression, is because Wednesday is a holiday. So the clerk would get us, the members of City Council, the compiled applications, distribute to City Council no later than 10 a.m. on Thursday, November 12, this is what -- here is the problem. City Council days. What we're trying to do is swear the successful candidate in on the 19th, first order of business. What we wanted to do is vote them in and then give them time to come to council with their family and make it a big deal, right? We didn't want them, kind of like what we did -- so we didn't want to okay, now you are a member of City Council. Tag, take your seat, you'll start working. Give a week, that gives me an opportunity to schedule the new person with Mr. Shelby for the briefing on legal stuff, HR, Ms. Kopesky, getting all of the background stuff, trying to get them one-week training on how to be a City Council person. Trying to build in that week. The dilemma is again the 12th. My proposal would be we gavel in a City Council meeting first thing in the morning on the 12th at 9 a.m., get that done and then go right into CRA. Okay. I'm done. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:13:51PM First of all, it can't happen. On the 12th, there is a mayoral forum that goes from 8 to 10. I'll be late to CRA. So will bill. Just telling you right now that's not going to happen because of that. Secondly --

Alan Clendenin

3:14:06PM Maybe reverse it.

Lynn Hurtak

3:14:08PM It's already set.

Alan Clendenin

3:14:09PM Maybe we could do -- do the selection after that.

Lynn Hurtak

3:14:14PM Here's the thing, these are well attended things. The CRA is a big deal. That is our major night meeting. We need a break between those two things. My recommendation -- it's worked for me. This is how I got appointed. We have the appointment on Tuesday, on the 17th, a special call meeting, and then I was sworn in two days later. It worked just fine. Your first council meeting, it doesn't matter how prepared you are, you're not prepared. I know you're trying not to schedule another meeting, but the room was packed. I know it was citywide. Still, people care about this.

Alan Clendenin

3:15:03PM District 7, nobody cares --

Luis Viera

3:15:07PM You said the quiet part loud.

Lynn Hurtak

3:15:10PM Not only that, I'm sorry, if you look --

Alan Clendenin

3:15:12PM Sorry morris, sorry alan.

Lynn Hurtak

3:15:21PM If you look at the CRA, we have seven staff reports. I mean, and one of them is the Tampa Bay Rays. I'm sorry. I don't see how this happens.

Alan Clendenin

3:15:35PM Just vote yes now.

Lynn Hurtak

3:15:36PM I don't see how this happens. I do not think it is a good idea to put this on a council Day. Even if it is a short meeting on the 17th, could be a 9 a.m. special call, out of here by noon. What that allowed me when I came to do that is to -- I mean, there were press that wanted to talk to me. I got to go back and look at my office, got to come up here and take photos with my family. We still did all that stuff on the 19th too on the Thursday because my mother came down from gainesville for that. Really, it was a good -- for me, it worked really well and only person who experienced this, I really think that worked for me. The 17th I'm open at 9. I don't know how everybody else's 17th is. For me that was enough time. Wasn't enough time. Was never going to be enough time. I think Councilwoman Young can say there wasn't enough time. She had a decent gap between when she got elected. There is no amount of preparation that you can do. I just think that putting them on a CRA day where we're voting on the rays.

Alan Clendenin

3:16:48PM What if we did a 4 p.m. on the 12th?

Lynn Hurtak

3:16:54PM The problem is, we don't know that it will only last an hour.

Alan Clendenin

3:16:58PM It's district 7. It's not citywide.

Lynn Hurtak

3:17:01PM Still. You could have 14 people apply. Okay, if you don't think so. I'll accept a 4 p.m. the problem is, how late, what are our evening ones on the 12th?

Martin Shelby

3:17:15PM What's 4 p.m.?

Alan Clendenin

3:17:17PM 4 p.m. to make the special call.

Martin Shelby

3:17:19PM What time is the evening meeting?

Alan Clendenin

3:17:22PM 5:00.

Lynn Hurtak

3:17:23PM 5:01. I think it's probably a bad idea to do that.

Martin Shelby

3:17:30PM You're asking for trouble.

Lynn Hurtak

3:17:34PM You don't know that we'll be able to start at 5. I still think a special call is an easier way to deal with it. That's just me. Let everybody look at their calendars. I make a motion that we have a special call meeting on November 17 at 9 a.m. to elect or to appoint a district 7, new district 7 council member. Two hours, three hours. You voted for me in five minutes. You don't know. There could be a 3-3 stalemate. They predicted mine would go over 30 rounds. I got elected on the second round. That 30 round thing scared the daylights. You never know. Oh, this will take an hour. I thought I would be home by now.

Luis Viera

3:18:51PM I have a lot of thoughts on this. I made this motion so that we could talk to the public, be transparent on what's going to happen. Let people who apply. Elephant in the room, we have alan cohn and Morris Lopez. I know patricia alonso also filed for the seat. You have candidates out there right now who are working very, very hard, knocking on doors, making phone calls, coming to council meetings, doing all kinds -- it's really, really hard running for public office. By the way, I'm not going to be here. Maybe I have no standing to suggest this. I'd love it if we did it before that. Maybe take a look at the special call on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I do not believe this will take more than two hours. I have no standing to say that whatsoever. I don't believe this will take the longest. We are going to have more people who are going to seek this who knows what the proposed arrangements will be. I know there's people looking to potentially run if they get the appointment, which I find to be very cynical and lazy, by the way, especially in light of everybody out there doing the hard work right now. But I would say as soon as possible so that we get something early.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:18PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

3:20:19PM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. One of the reasons that this is considered a draft and coming back in two weeks to finalize it, there may be conflicts we don't know about. The BLC is meeting in the room with a noticed public meeting. Monday is clear the clerk informs me. I don't know about council member Carlson who is absent. Also, council, let me take two seconds, tell you the most operative term here. This is why the process is going to be that once it is approved next week, excuse me, in two weeks, approved by the 15th, I suspect your direction will be to have the application made available.

Alan Clendenin

3:21:17PM Clerk will not be accepting --

Martin Shelby

3:21:20PM I want to point the attention to section 10.01 which is on the sheet in front of you. The operative statement there is that the terms shall be filled by a majority vote of the remaining council members. You don't become a remaining council member until there is, in fact, a vacancy. What you're doing now is allowed by law preliminarily to get the process in effect, and there was a question asked, could we actually do this even beforehand. The truth of the matter is, no, and because of that, council member Viera can participate in this process moving up, but, obviously, he will not be making the appointment because by his departure he will be creating the vacancy. That's when you will then be the remaining council members who can go through accepting the applications and making the decision in an open public meeting.

Alan Clendenin

3:22:18PM I believe we could accept the applications. We just can't make the selection until after --

Martin Shelby

3:22:23PM Why argue with me --

Alan Clendenin

3:22:27PM It just compresses the schedule so much now.

Martin Shelby

3:22:32PM The charter, I thought, if you look, is a very tight turnaround. It says vacancies filled by appointment must be made within 30 days from the time of the vacancy exists. By your schedule, Mr. Chairman, This is 16 days.

Alan Clendenin

3:22:46PM But the reason why we don't have much flexibility going further out is because of Veterans Day and thanksgiving. That's what kills us. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:22:55PM How long -- you said BLC? How long does that meeting go?

The clerk

3:23:03PM [Inaudible]

Lynn Hurtak

3:23:04PM Why don't we do a 1:30 on the 17th? 1:30. So let's say 1:30 on the 17th.

Alan Clendenin

3:23:34PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak change Thursday, November 12 to Tuesday November 17 at 1:30 p.m. sam, we'll have to cancel the streetcar --

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:03PM This is Tuesday. I accept this draft with the change that the two-minute presentations, instead of Thursday November 12, they will be Tuesday November 17 at 1:30 p.m. in City Council Chambers.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:21PM I have a motion and second. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

Naya Young

3:24:30PM Darlene, could you please make sure that's on the calendar, Tuesday, November 17?

Martin Shelby

3:24:34PM You'll be able to finalize when I bring it back on the 15th.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:39PM I believe that is finished with our business.

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:47PM Can your office make sure you reach out to councilman Carlson's office and make sure that date and time is good for him.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:53PM Sam, would you please reach out to dossie to coordinate with Carlson's office on that? That concludes our regular scheduled program. Councilman Viera, new business?

Luis Viera

3:25:02PM Very briefly, if I may. I want to put on the October 15th credit card, docket, whatever it may be, it's nothing that will require any presentation. Just that Mr. Shelby, I want to have that day with the consent of council, all of the appointees transmitted, what have you, for the veterans committee from the mayor and council. If with council's consent, if I did that, what would be the proper method for doing that? Just have a resolution?

Martin Shelby

3:25:35PM Your request is for City Council to take action on the 15th?

Luis Viera

3:25:39PM Yes, sir.

Martin Shelby

3:25:41PM Then you can do it by resolution and I can have that, as long as I can get that perhaps by the weekend before, I can do that.

Luis Viera

3:25:51PM If I may, council, my motion is for October 15 for Mr. Shelby, whoever the person would be to create a resolution for ratification, whatever the term may be, for the veterans committee appointments, and that means that the mayor's office and all council members should have their appointees in time for that, just to get that done --

Alan Clendenin

3:26:13PM Have the names incorporated into a resolution.

Martin Shelby

3:26:21PM Technically by next Thursday. The question then is, could the clerk also forward that motion to the mayor's office and her staff?

Luis Viera

3:26:34PM And my office can help, too.

The clerk

3:26:36PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

3:26:41PM Everybody that is listening, Councilman Carlson and the mayor's office, you need to have your appointments for the veterans committee in by next Thursday.

Luis Viera

3:26:51PM For Sebastian, letting councilman Carlson's office know and the mayor. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:55PM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor sigh. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

3:27:02PM Thank you very much. Second, I have a request from acting Chief Brett Owen in pursuant to the state statutory requirement for annual staff report on the city's red light camera program, I request that the said report be placed on staff report section on the November 5 regular meeting of City Council. I will not be here.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:24PM One space left. You want it for that one? For November 5. Why are we doing it?

Luis Viera

3:27:32PM It's required by statute, apparently.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:35PM It seems like we just did it. Motion from Councilman Viera. Second by Councilman Miranda. Those in favor, aye.

Luis Viera

3:27:47PM Last one, judge paul huey, 13th Judicial Circuit Court judge, one of the best guys I know, he's retiring. I want to give him a City Council commendation. I'm going to have lunch with him next week and surprise him with it.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:01PM Off-site presentation, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

3:28:13PM Thank you. I wanted to -- there was some -- we had some public comment today specifically about the East Tampa and Sulphur Springs area. One regarding the 56 and broadway project. I think I may have spoken about this a few times on council. To anyone that's still watching and just as a reminder, I have met with our mobility and Stormwater Department to discuss that project, along with two East Tampa residents who were present in the meeting to talk about that project. And what was pretty much what happened is after two attempts with speaking with the business owner that owns the easement that was needed to do that project because they didn't want to give up the easement, and we're not just going to take it from them, that is why the project ended up being canceled. What happened is that the -- spoke with Brandon Campbell and they were amenable to reaching back out to the new owner because apparently there is another owner that was there. But also since that meeting, there's been another solution that may be a path forward that they are exploring. So that is happening. We met about it. We've spoken about it. It's not something that is forgotten and it is a project that we are still working through. Also, in regards to Sulphur Springs, I want to also thank the council because we had a fantastic budget meeting. We know there is a little bit over -- I think probably three to four million dollars that's going into Sulphur Springs for FY '27 going toward the Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan, park improvements, housing stability programs, crime prevention. New sidewalks around Sulphur Springs, k-8. We're doing a lot in that community. In addition to the $150,000 that went from surplus funding to go toward Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan. There's also a Sulphur Springs fresh food market that has been started to kind of address the food insecurity in that area, but there are still other initiatives that are happening in the Sulphur Springs area. I will also say from that $150,000 that we allocated towards the Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan at the surplus funding, out of that came a number of sweeps happened in the Sulphur Springs area to address a lot of the illegal dumping in the area, which has been very successful. Also out of that came the Sulphur Springs steward, a program employing residents and they have been going around in the community telling people about the sweeps. We've been doing a lot of great work in that community. I also want to say the youth program that when we had the budget meeting, the $175,000 towards the youth program that wasn't going to be in FY '27, which I asked for it to be put back in, a lot of the students in the program, first we raised the number from 30 to 70. A lot of the students in the program that were interning over the summer were from East Tampa and Sulphur Springs. I had two interns in my office that were from East Tampa as well. So this council is doing a lot. I will also say the district representative for district five is also doing a lot. So I just wanted to put that out there for anyone that's still with us.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:34PM I second that.

Naya Young

3:31:35PM But know that we are doing a lot of work in that area, and we really see the need. I think there's going to be a lot of progress and great things that are going to happen in there. For anyone that's listening, just so you know that you have a council that cares, a district representative that cares and we're doing a lot.

Charlie Miranda

3:31:52PM All that in one breath.

Luis Viera

3:31:54PM May I add to that? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just wanted to say in politics, I saw the attacks, and you are just -- you're doing a great job, Councilwoman Young. You wear it well. You wear it with vigor. To quote Bruce springsteen, when they tell you to sit down, you stand up. You're doing great. Got to be proud.

Alan Clendenin

3:32:17PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:32:17PM Okay. I have heard some conversation about the special call workshop on the 12th being not necessary City Council special call workshop on reallocating remainder of funds for FY '27 General Fund and CIT fund. I've heard that some people may want to move that until after the vote.

Alan Clendenin

3:32:42PM Because it's only three weeks. I was going to bring that up too.

Lynn Hurtak

3:32:49PM Yeah, after the amendment 3 vote. I'm happy to move that until later in November. That's fine with me. Or we can just wait and see if it passes and then set it. I'm going to remove the October 12 City Council special call workshop for the General Fund.

Guido Maniscalco

3:33:10PM Let's wait to see what happens with the election and then make a motion to set it.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:14PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed?

Luis Viera

3:33:20PM Only thing I would say, I know this is taken for granted if we do that and god forbid this thing passes, make sure to have a district 7 person whenever you do that.

Lynn Hurtak

3:33:29PM Sure, not a problem. This is a staff request. I made a motion to continue the peregrine agreement with the State Attorney's Office and the peregrine grant agreement to November 5, 2026, so Chief Owen can meet with each council member prior to our vote. Staff has requested these items be moved up to October 15, 2026, and to travel together. I move to reschedule both of these items to October 15, 2026.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:56PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. I actually asked for additional information after my meeting. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Anything else? Thank you for that.

Guido Maniscalco

3:34:14PM I don't know Chief Owen well enough. When he called the other day, I was going to answer 911, what's your emergency? But I'm not that comfortable yet.

Alan Clendenin

3:34:24PM He has a good sense of humor.

Guido Maniscalco

3:34:26PM District 5 has a wonderful representative and great legislative aide. You are always, always working. You do a great job. I want to wish my niece and god daughter mia a happy 13th birthday. I'll make sure to pull this up on youtube so she can see it. I would like to make a motion to present an off-site commendation to the Tampa catholic class of 1976 for their 50-year reunion in November. I believe it's November 14. They invited me to present it there.

Alan Clendenin

3:34:54PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

3:35:00PM Off-site presentation, commendation, it's lost in the office somewhere. She's not here. I can't find it so I can't talk about it.

Alan Clendenin

3:35:08PM We'll hit it up next thing. I have a couple of things. Councilwoman Hurtak, if you would take the gavel, please.

Lynn Hurtak

3:35:14PM Yes, chair.

Alan Clendenin

3:35:15PM I would like to request to continue -- sorry, to continue the rescheduled noise item from October 22, 2026, workshop to the January 28, 2027, workshop so that the consultants can attend.

Lynn Hurtak

3:35:30PM Can sam reach out to kelly? We're working with the Tampa Heights neighborhood right now to make sure that they don't want to still have something next Thursday -- not next Thursday, the October 22. Is there a way you could hold that motion until one more meeting? I apologize. Both TPD knows about it. So we're kind of working with them. Yeah, just hold it until next week.

Alan Clendenin

3:36:01PM Hold it until next week until we have further information. I've got a request from shubin law group PA on behalf of the applicant that City Council schedule the following private initiated small scale amendments to the Tampa comprehensive future land use map for public hearings on Thursday, December 10, 2026, at 5:01 p.m., old city hall, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, 33602, file ta/cpa 26-11a, ta/cpa 26-11b, file ta/cpa 26-11c, all three heard the same evening and prior to file rez 26-49 and direct the Legal Department to provide the city clerk with the form of notice for advertising the public hearings along with waiving City Council rules of procedure to allow the items, the addition of these three items. In full disclosure, you know what that's for.

Lynn Hurtak

3:36:50PM I have a motion from the chair. I have a second from council member Young. All those in favor? Any opposed? Nay.

Alan Clendenin

3:37:05PM Thank you. I think that's all I have. I would be remiss if I didn't say the same thing. It has been a privilege sitting next to you. You are a champion. We were here until I don't know what time. We were here first thing in the morning. Early in the morning, and we didn't leave until way into the evening. Poor darlene, you had her working so hard. You're here five days a week, sometimes weekends. I know you are working hard. It is obvious to me sitting next to you that your trajectory in this capacity, the incline is just so great. One day I'm going to sit back in my retirement home and look at congresswoman young and say I knew her when she was just a freshman councilperson. Congratulations. I think you're doing a great job.

Naya Young

3:37:56PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

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