City Council — October 15, 2026 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:07:59AM I call this meeting to order. I would like to recognize Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:08:01AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is my honor and my pleasure this morning to present pastor kerry nance of the southside baptist church in Tampa, which was established in 2003. He has faithfully served as the pastor since its founding and has led the church in its continued growth and outreach to the community. Pastor nance graduated from trinity baptist college in 1992 with a bachelor of arts in pastoral theology and earned his master's degree in 2005. In addition to his pastoral duties, he has served as the Tampa Police chaplain since 2004 and has been involved in several Christian ministries and organizations. Kerry and his wife amy have been married since 1993 and together they have three blessed children -- abigail, Andrew, and avery. All as. I never made an a in my life. Together, they have ministered at revivals, conferences, retreats, and other events, sharing their faith and encouraging others. Outside of ministry, pastor nance enjoys spending time with his family, golfing, and flying as a licensed pilot. Thank you for coming and doing the prayer this morning, pastor. Please rise for the invocation and remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. Our Father, we're thankful today that we can come here and meet and assemble. Lord, we thank you so much for your hand of blessing that has been upon this city. Lord, we recognize even in this season with the hurricanes, how you have kept us and prevented us. Lord, we are very familiar with the danger in those storms. And, god, we recognize, lord, your favor upon that. Lord, we also recognize, lord, how you bless this city and, lord, that you have kept us and given us leadership, direction, growth, and, father, we just want to look to you for that and give you the honor and the praise. Lord, today, as we come to this meeting, lord, I do pray that you might bless these councilmen and women that sit here. Lord, we know that there are heavy decisions that they make and burdens that they carry. Lord, as they guide our city, I pray, lord, that you would give them wisdom. I pray that you would help them to have the judgments of the lord before them. God, I thank you that in the time of need that we are able to pray. Lord, I'm thankful that your ears are open. I thank you, lord, that you have a heart that loves us. So, god, would you guide them, would you be with them individually? Lord, even with their families, lord, the burdens they may carry there, would you give them grace? Lord, we pray for our mayor, that you overshadow her. Lord with the great decisions that are needed to be made. Lord, even with our police and our firemen, lord, as these men and women protect us and, lord, run into danger, god help them, be with them. Lord, the decisions they have to make. Lord, may your hand be with them. Lord, we just want to thank you today for your love, that your love is consistent, that it's faithful, that you never forsake us. Lord, that you demonstrated that love, lord, in the person of Jesus Christ. It's in his name we pray and ask. Amen. [Pledge of allegiance]

9:11:43AM Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

9:11:43AM Thank you. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

9:11:54AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:11:54AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:11:55AM Here.

Naya Young

9:11:56AM Here.

Luis Viera

9:11:58AM Here. Clendenin?

Alan Clendenin

9:12:01AM Here.

The clerk

9:12:02AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:03AM I would like to announce that Councilman Carlson will not be attending today. He woke up with a little bug and is not feeling well. You just have us today. I would like to get a motion to adopt the minutes from the budget session held on September 22, 2026. Workshop and evening session held on September 24, 2026, regular sessions held on October 1, 2026 and evening session held October 8. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Agenda review. First off, item number 50, they put a memo to pull, but they don't need to pull that. Unless anybody wants to discuss it. We can leave that on the consent. Like to have a motion to hear items 87, 88, 89 together right after lunch. The peregrine. Because the chief has something -- has to be done by 3. 87, 88, 89 right after lunch. Reminder, we have a 1:30 time certain with tinkler on charter review. Item number 98, motion to continue to October 22, 2026.

Charlie Miranda

9:13:32AM So moved.

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:33AM Second.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:35AM Item 98. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye.

Martin Shelby

9:13:41AM Mr. Chairman, if I can. Will that be at the evening session so you can take action on it?

Alan Clendenin

9:13:47AM Evening session. Sorry. Evening session. Thank you.

Guido Maniscalco

9:13:50AM Receive and file -- [inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:13:56AM Motion to receive and file the staff report from Tom Degeorge from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I think that is all I had. Anybody else have anything?

Lynn Hurtak

9:14:13AM Yeah, I don't think that we need anyone -- we don't need anyone for 91. I don't at least.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:22AM Do we need anybody for 90?

Lynn Hurtak

9:14:25AM Yes, 90 we have to discuss. 92 I don't think we need anyone.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:34AM 93?

Martin Shelby

9:14:36AM Clear for the record and people watching.

Alan Clendenin

9:14:39AM I'll summarize it. 93? 94? I think that would be it. We do not need staff for 91, 92, 93 or 94. We do need staff for 90. Can I get -- very good.

Martin Shelby

9:15:02AM Is there a vote?

Alan Clendenin

9:15:04AM There are resolutions. We have to wait until after public comment.

Luis Viera

9:15:12AM Obviously, on 96 and 97, if I May, 97 I may talk to staff at lunch. May I make about my in and out today, may I make a quick statement to explain something?

Alan Clendenin

9:15:25AM Yes.

Luis Viera

9:15:26AM Thank you, sir. My mother had some surgery yesterday. Family things. I'll be in and out. After lunch, I may need to step out for stuff. If I'm out a lot, I'm taking calls with doctors. Just fyi. That's all.

Alan Clendenin

9:15:42AM Tell me about 97.

Luis Viera

9:15:43AM 97, let me talk to staff on that. For right now, yes, but let me talk to them at lunch, if I may. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:15:54AM You do want in person on 96?

Luis Viera

9:15:57AM Yes, absolutely. Thank you. Again, if I'm here. I'll deal with it when it comes, but yeah.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:04AM Anything else? Councilwoman Young?

Naya Young

9:16:07AM I'm not going to pull it. Before I move some of the items on consent, I'm going to say something before I move them.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:13AM That's fine. Just remind me when we get to that point. Motion to approve the agenda?

Martin Shelby

9:16:17AM Mr. Chairman, again, were you going to summarize where you don't need people?

Alan Clendenin

9:16:23AM I did. Where were you? Did you blank out? Have a ministroke during that time?

Martin Shelby

9:16:28AM No, but sometimes, if I can't hear it and it happens very quickly --

Alan Clendenin

9:16:35AM I motion to approve the agenda, second. All in favor, aye.

Martin Shelby

9:16:44AM Mr. Chairman, the ones you don't need that need council action on, are there any of those in there as well, the major ticket items?

Alan Clendenin

9:16:52AM Yes, we have to wait until after public comment for those.

Martin Shelby

9:16:56AM Right. At the end of consent.

Alan Clendenin

9:16:58AM Yes.

Martin Shelby

9:16:59AM Thank you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

9:17:00AM All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The agenda is adopted. Thank you so much. A couple of things. Today's agenda is quite long and complicated. So, clerk, we need to adhere to timers and rules. Anybody that is speaking, if they could be as brief as possible because, again, it's going to be a long and drawn-out agenda. Fyi, we'll try to get to off agenda item public comment a little bit early, possibly around 11:15. I need to -- we have a special presentation at 11:30 and a hard stop at 12. We're going to have one hour for lunch, 12 to 1. Those are fairly rigid because of ceremony that we have downstairs. That's what the day will look like. Please be patient with me as I push everybody along. Again, it is a long agenda today and we have a lot of working parts and a lot of people coming and going that their times are set in stone. Chief, did you have a report today?

9:18:04AM Thank you.

Luis Viera

9:18:05AM For item number 3, I believe we're going to remove that. I'll discuss that later. Item number 3.

Alan Clendenin

9:18:12AM Can we remove it now?

Luis Viera

9:18:15AM I believe so. I reserve the right to amend, but we are removing.

Alan Clendenin

9:18:19AM I have a motion to remove item 3 from the agenda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

9:18:26AM Thank you, council.

Alan Clendenin

9:18:27AM Very good. That being said, let's get on with the commendations. Councilman Maniscalco. And we'll set the timers on everybody.

Guido Maniscalco

9:18:50AM Today I'm -- good morning, council. Today I'm presenting a commendation to the Tampa fencing academy, which fencing as in sword fighting. Because people -- to clarify, which is a wonderful sport. I was talking to the gentleman, I used to fence when I was a kid. I was saying I'm sorry I didn't continue it because I was good. I think I was good. I was 10, 11 years old, but it would have been, you know, the lessons that I learned from that era I still remember and they still stick with me today and it's very good exercise. A lot of people don't know, this organization, they are right off of Hillsborough, near berkeley high school, berkeley prep, I'm sorry. A lot of people don't know they are there, but they have people of all ages. Who are the oldest people? It's from kids all the way to --

9:19:48AM It's a good exercise. Total body movement, hand-eye coordination, a lot of good things. I would like to present this commendation to you, the Tampa City Council proudly recognizes Tampa fencing academy for outstanding contributions to the sport of fencing and its commitment to developing discipline, leadership, and character among athletes throughout the Tampa Bay region. Through the dedication of its coaches and fencers, academy earned distinction at the local, national, and international levels. Tampa fencing academy celebrates exceptional athletic achievement including 2026 USA fencing national champion and y10 fa beata jubilee, currently ranked number one in the nation, and national medalist julianna uricheck, currently ranked number five in the nation. Who was ranked number 16?

9:20:43AM A lot of good people. Serving students ages 5 to 65 and even a little bit older, academy provides opportunities for athletes of all ages to pursue excellent and represent Tampa with pride. The Tampa City Council commends Tampa fencing academy, its coaches and athletes for dedications, accomplishments, and positive impact on the community. Achievements bring honor to the City of Tampa and serve as an inspiration to future generations of athletes. And it is Tampa City Council's profound honor to present this commendation on the 15th day of October, 2026. Congratulations. Do you want to say a few words? [ applause ] enrique and coach boyko, who are our head coaches. I'm one of the associate coaches that, yes, fencing has become a sport that is for all ages. It is one of those that teaches discipline. It teaches honor. It teaches quick recovery from mistakes. I'm just proud to be a part of the organization. Thank you to the city for this commendation.

Alan Clendenin

9:21:42AM Thank you. Could you state your name for the record, please?

9:21:48AM Thank you very much. On behalf of a grateful city, we are very glad that you are training these folks so when the dark lord comes and they start attacking the City of Tampa, and the dragons come, we'll have a fully trained army ready and willing to defend our great city. Thank you. [ applause ]

9:22:08AM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

9:22:32AM Good morning, council. Good morning, council. So, today, I have the honor of presenting the commendation to lashaun tims. Tampa City Council is honored to present this commendation to lashaun tims, CEO and founder of 813 stop the violence. Lashaun is being recognized for her outstanding contributions as a role model, advocate, icon, and community advocate -- community activist in the Tampa Bay community. This commendation recognizes lashaun for her dedicated service and remarkable leadership in mentoring the youth and for being an individual who represents long-standing dedication to uplifting and advocating for our local Tampa Bay youth and for inspiring future generations through service, generosity, and positive leadership. Lashaun's work with the teen take-over initiatives, she helped transform the futures of nine young people who faced potentially life-altering felony convictions. Through her efforts of helping secure a six-week educational program, she helped these teens have their records cleared which gave them a second chance and ensure that one moment in their lives would not define the rest of their futures. Moreover, lashaun has become a pillar of strength and trusted voice in the community as she serves as a source of guidance and support for multiple families, navigating some of their most difficult moments. When gun violence impacts a family, lashaun is someone they know they can turn to and not only for answers, but for compassion, strength, and hope. Her work reflects the very best of our community. In gratitude to such great efforts, it is with great pleasure that the Tampa City Council presents this commendation on this 15th day of October, 2026, to lashaun tims. [ applause ] thank you. First, I will give honor to god. None of this would be possible without him. Right after thanking god, my heavenly mother, mama, thank you for teaching me it's okay to love. Okay to care about people even if you don't know them. That lesson lives in me and lives in the work I do every day. To my wife and my family, thank you for putting up with the commitment to the community. Thank you for understanding the long days, the phone calls, the cries, the pain, and all the times my heart was out there trying to help somebody else. It hasn't always been easy and I love you for standing beside me. My entire board, thank you for dealing with me and my orders. I have a vision. Thank you for helping to turn that vision into action. Thank you, Councilwoman Naya Young for this recognition. Thank you to Ms. Darlene for always answering the calls. Thank you to City Council for giving me this moment to share this journey. I want to take you back to 2014. I want to thank my mentor, state rep hart-lowman, for setting the stone for 813 stop the violence. Thank you to Kenya Robinson for allowing me to keep her son name alive. Nico Crawford was murdered in 2014. Thank you for the plans. Thank you for the walk. That walk mattered. One time, the work became even more personal. I met families living with grief. I met children who needed guidance, attention, hope. I saw so much need, kindness, and consistency. This wasn't just something I wanted to do anymore. It was something I knew I was called to do. 2025, I made 813 stop the violence a nonprofit. The paper work didn't make the mission. The mission was already in motion. Becoming a nonprofit gave the work another way to grow. 813 stop the violence tour. We go to neighborhoods and bring unity to the community. We create spaces where children can laugh, play games, role models and feel safe. We connect the families, resources and reminded people that their neighborhood mattered. Thank you freddy with safe and sound. It don't matter about the giveaways. It's about the conversation we happen to have when we are there. It's looking children in the eyes and saying, I see you and telling parents you're not alone. I stand here pretending that I don't -- that I have all the answers, but I don't. I can know that I cannot complain about our community and then refuse to work for change. Our children are watching. They need to see adults who keep their word, show up, and believe in their future. I'm going to keep showing up. I'm going to keep building partnership. I'm going to keep this tour into the neighborhoods. I'm going to keep working for young people and families. To all the angel moms and every parent who lost their child to gun violence, your pain is not forgotten. Your children matter. Their lives are why this work must continue. Every sponsor, volunteer, board member, community partner and family member who supported 813 stop the violence, INC., thank you. Once again, Councilwoman Naya Young, thank you for seeing the work and recognizing people behind it. This award is not just for me. It belongs to my family. Thank you, to every child, to everyone who supported 813 stop the violence. I started 813 in 2014. I made it a nonprofit in 2025. Here I stand in 2026 telling you we are just getting started. The work continues, the tour continues, the mission continues. We reach one, teach one, save one. No more silence. 813 stop the violence, INC., is more than an organization. It is a movement. We're going to keep moving. God bless you all. Thank you. Lashaun tims.

Alan Clendenin

9:28:26AM On behalf of Tampa City Council, thank you. I was at I think your first or second event. It was a great experience. Dianne HART, maybe Robin Lockett. I don't remember who was with me. It was a great event. I think you do excellent work. Hi to your wife. Thank you for being so supportive of a tremendous effort for our city. Community activists and folks that have interest in our youth that really will make a difference in what tomorrow will look like. Thank you so much. [ applause ]

9:29:09AM If my staff could bring in our public comment cards, please. As always, we'll start with on-agenda item public comments. I'll call your name. I'll call a couple at a time so you can queue up and we can expedite the process this morning. Remember, always start with your name. You'll have three minutes. The light will come on. It will be green. It will turn yellow when you have 30 seconds. Red, you have to stop speaking. The first public speaker will be Michelle Mastrototaro followed by pam cannella and ashley morrow. Good morning, Michelle. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. I'm here on agenda 62 and 30. Let me start off with 30. They did a grant for dredging. We need dredging desperately on west prescott. I've been told several times we're waiting for S.W.F.W.M.D., we're waiting for S.W.F.W.M.D. S.W.F.W.M.D. Has no application from stormwater to dredge the trenches and outflow. My water is collecting. We need help. We need help over there. Flood insurance is so expensive over there. My taxes are so high, what am I paying for? I'm not paying -- I don't get a sweeper. I don't get nothing in my area. I don't have not one thing. And I'm paying property taxes probably more than many people in my area, and I have nothing. My system works off of gravity, so it has to be pulled out. It's not being pulled out. It's stuck. And water people have been there working on water, and they say there is a blockage somewhere because our water don't move. And that's also very hazardous to our health. It smells like poop in our area. It's very bad. We need help. South sherrill and west prescott. Trenches that go to the outflow. Something is going on there. I'll talk about 62. This money, this $708 million money for rebuild tomorrow, I'm on the list. I'm worried about the funding because the funding only has done one house so far and the house is a module home. It's a mobile home. I see it is also allocated to other things, streets, infrastructure and stuff. So this $708 million of money, it's been five months already. I would like to know what's going on with the money and how are they going to help people because people like me really need it and my area, you can't even buy a house in my area because the flooding is too expensive, the insurance, and that's not fair for people. We need help in our area. I hope that moving forward that people can really do help us. Port Tampa is not a rich area. And that area needs a lot of help. I feel that we have been forgotten. I think that it's time to help us moving forward for 2027. Thank you.

9:33:26AM Thank you, Michelle. Pam cannella followed by ashley. My name is pam cannella. I just want to say I oppose number 6 appointee. Appointments for Tampa Housing Authority recommends initial appointment be usually one-year term. Application for the Tampa Housing Authority also states that appointment to a City of Tampa board and committee requires compliance with the City of Tampa ethics code and Florida law concerning appointed officials. Now, an argument can be made by our city attorneys that janet Cruz rifkin is not related to Mayor Jane Castor. But ana Cruz, by her own testimony, continuously refers to herself as Tampa's first lady. Mayor Jane Castor refers to ana Cruz as her domestic partner. As public figures who have been in a committed relationship since approximately 2009, they are recognized as domestic partners in public and official capacity. Ana Cruz's acknowledgment as Tampa's first lady and domestic partner to Mayor Jane Castor makes janet Cruz rifkin, mother of ana Cruz, a family. Mayor Jane Castor's appointment of janet Cruz rifkin to a city position is a violation of Florida state code of ethics under Florida statute 112.3135 where public officials are prohibited from using their official position to secure special privileges from whom they share a close personal relationship, regardless of marriage status. I just want to say about number 30, it's about the stormwater funding. I just want to know how do I get on that list because I've been asking for the AMI and the zom pond and the palmira ditch to be cleaned and taken care of. So if there's funding out there, I would like for them to be on the list as well. Thank you.

9:35:33AM Thank you, pam. Ashley, followed by John green and Bishop Michelle b. Patty. My name is ashley morrow. I'll be very brief. I see you guys moved item 50 anyways. It was about the arena parking agreement. As you know, I'm an advocate for validating public parking for public comment or City Council participants or attendees as well as School Board. Anybody coming down for city business should not be paying for parking if they are coming to voice their concerns. I also want to say -- I'm drawing a blank. Thank you so much for your time.

9:36:09AM Thank you, ashley. Good morning. John and then bishop. Switch places? Are you switching places? Yeah, they got mixed up. No problem. Good morning. My name is Bishop Michelle b. Patty. I'm here on item number 15. If I recall, the original contract between the city and the NAACP was for the empowerment center, and that they were supposed to do work that would help small businesses. They were supposed to put out information to the community about what the city had to offer. Most of all, it was about job training. Now I see a resolution that was sent out. Says resolution approving a Social Action and Arts Fund service agreement between the City of Tampa, Florida, NAACP, which is a nonprofit. It was effective date September 1st, 2026, and work was supposed to be completed no later than September the 30th, '26. Now, how much -- now it's for 75,000 instead of 100,000. The president yvette lewis did not sign this agreement until September the 14. It seems almost like a bait and switch because the empowerment supposed to be about training. Now we're getting over here talking about arts and funding when we have the young lady who just left, if we're going to put money in historic people that's giving the history, then ashley morrow, I think the 75,000, some of the money should go to her. Fred hearns who do an excellent job as historian going throughout the community, even do trips. Also ursula odom. Now why is it -- I do understand that some receipts supposed to have been submitted to you all where work supposed to have been done. I am making a public request because there are strict stipulations in there. So I don't know now if you all are trying to, like I say, bait and switch by doing things for the arts and telling history, that was not a part of the agreement. The agreement was the job training. The agreement was to help do an impact to help businesses, small businesses that needed help, accessing the city government. I want you all to know that we're watching this. We're looking at it very strictly, strongly, and it should not be just a generic. Supposed to be announcements made to the community when the classes would have been held. We want to see if it was held by a certified person, not just friendship. So there are a lot of things that is wrong with this and took a whole year. We have a new fiscal year that they come up at this last minute and trying to submit documentation. So the documentation every I need to be dotted, every t crossed for one penny of the taxpayer money go out for this. You're asking not to support amendment 3. If you are going to be wasteful with the taxpayer money, then people need to take another thought. Thank you so much.

9:39:27AM John green followed by Stephen Michelini and Megan. John green. I'm just here to follow up on what Bishop Michelle b. Patty said. I look at more the procedure and processes on how people are located on the property over there at Gary adult school. The first page you're seeing in which you have the address for the school listed on your documentation, this is the first page is from the school charter and bylaws. It says that the district or the school system mail system is not used by the community or staff for distribution of nonschool materials, so on and so forth. So that is the bylaws for the school. If we're going to be dealing with taxpayer money and government funding, I think it's appropriate that we follow the laws, too. I don't think nobody is above the law where they can disregard policy and get money for breaking the law at the same time. The second page shows where they are listed. You can google in real time right now, the address of Gary adult school or google Hillsborough NAACP, and this will come up. The school, like I said, the information is right there. They are not supposed to be using that address. The city is using the address to send mail there. It's not supposed to be done. The NAACP has bylaws for their organization. It says that each of their executive board members should be bonded. Have you all gotten anything that shows that they are bonded? Have you gotten any insurance certificates saying that they cover, if anybody get hurt or anything happens on the property. This is just simple law. I'm opposed to this. Like everybody is contemplating in their mind with this new tax bill, should we fund government, why should we if you are giving away money where we know the black community knows that the NAACP -- the NAACP Hillsborough chapter does zero for the community. Period. Point-blank. So if you're going to ask us for money to fund the government, if you black in this community, say no, because it's useless.

9:42:24AM Steven, followed by Megan, followed by connie burton. Steve Michelini. I really want to start with agenda item number 18 where you are asking -- the staff is asking for an increase in tree fees from 300 to 475 dollars. We've talked about this before where the stewardship of those funds and the ability to get trees planted has been significantly delinquent. And those fees are collected because projects, various housing projects and commercial projects pay into that fund. And there is a very large surplus. So it seems to me that if you have a surplus in funds, why are you asking for an increase? It's very difficult to get a tree planted. The process is encumbered with a very lengthy process of signing agreements, guaranteeing that you'll maintain the tree. If you don't maintain the tree and it dies, then you have to pay the city back. It's very cumbersome. I know the council has made motions previously to streamline that process, to get the trees out instead of banking them and to start using those funds. I might be mistaken, but I think the last accounting of that budget was there was $3 million sitting in that account that hadn't been spent. So improve the process. Allow the trees to be planted where they are supposed to be planted. Granted, I got the picture. Costs have risen 300 to 475. That's not the issue. Stewardship is the issue. If you're going to raise a fee, then make it easier to get those trees planted and stop making the people have to pay more money so you build up a reserve fund and it doesn't go anywhere. Item 67, it refers to grant funds being transferred, and used for various components. I would think the council would want more information instead of a statement that says various components. That doesn't make any sense. We have citywide issues regarding stormwater, and they should clearly define where they plan to use that money. As other speakers have already said to you, their area is deficient. They asked for cleanup. They have asked for maintenance. Direct it toward where it really needs to be in these areas that are screaming for help. Thank you.

9:45:02AM Thank you, Stephen. Megan Corcoran. Followed by connie, followed by poynor. My name is Megan Cochran. Regarding item 60, approving the final benefits agreement between the City of Tampa and the JC Newman, as madam chair of the Community Benefits Advisory Council for the sanchez y haya project, I would like to express my sincere gratitude to our council members for their diligent work and commitment for reviewing the proposed community benefits agreement for the sanchez y haya project and ensuring they are aligned with the project's established recommendations. I would like to recognize and thank Amanda alafara, Javier marlon from the economic opportunity development department for their work, for working with us, ensure that our recommendations are implemented. I would also like to thank our legal team Taylor Bollt. Thank you. Extend appreciation to our vice-chair heather hay as well as Joe Robinson, kimberly headland, Dennis Fernandez, Angela weller, and cameron cassidy for their time, dedication, and thoughtful contributions throughout the process. Finally, I want to thank Mr. Drew Newman, him and his family for their commitment to the benefits community agreement. We appreciate your contributions to our community, and your shared vision of making this neighborhood a better place to live, work, and thrive. On behalf of the Community Benefits Advisory Council, thank you for your time, commitment, and dedication to the sanchez y haya project. Thank you.

9:47:11AM Thank you, Megan. Approving my application for the CAC for my application for the CAC member for the East Tampa CRA. Thank you.

9:47:24AM Thank you, Megan. Congratulations. We appreciate your work as well.

9:47:27AM Connie, followed by poynor, followed by surgret. Connie burton. When I was a child, it was certain programs I thought was funny, like the three stooges, maybe some laurel and hardy. As I got older, it become redundant to hear the same ol' same ol' every week, every month about an outstanding civil rights organization that has history of doing the work. We want to thank the council as to the format which it is written. Not NAACP that wrote that. Maybe Mr. Bennett and others can speak to that. But we are a civil rights organization that do not get that money, but the empowerment center that is so needed in our community to continue to build entrepreneurship, to continue to build on the legacy of the Civil Rights Movement. We are committed in spite of the low-key rhetoric that we hear constantly about why we shouldn't. We are committed to standing in that legacy of over a hundred years old and doing the people's work, and a commitment, and I would say not just a commitment, but an endorsement of those that believe in the NAACP is always shown by our general membership followed by the annual banquet that had well over 1200 people in attendance. So two or three name sayers that continue to come up here and gurgitate foolishness speaks to their disconnect from the black community. Thank you so much.

9:49:27AM Thank you, connie. [ applause ]

9:49:32AM No, no. [ sounding gavel ] Stephanie poynor followed by surgret and julie magill. Appointments three through five. None of them are appropriate for three years. Nobody is guaranteed to be signature up there or in the mayor's office seven months from now. And no -- nothing -- I believe that we should put them in there for a year because you've got to give the folks time to settle in and figure out who they want in those positions. You guys have zero power to put somebody else. The person coming in behind you will not be able to put them out and put in their person. I don't think it's appropriate. This is speaking nothing about any of the people, although I agree with pam about one of them. But it should not be for more than a year. You guys have got to stop this. This has been constant over the last three or four months. Number 15, NAACP. I thought they were getting $100,000. Where did the rest of the money go? As a citizen of the City of Tampa, I'd like to see them get all the money that they had applied for and that you guys had set aside for them. When you get kicked out of a national organization for the rest of your life, I guess you're going to come and cry about it publicly all the time. 49, 91, 92, I'm just a little bit overwhelmed with $8 million worth of consultation fees in one fell swoop. The cdb-dr funding, I often hear, it's funny, yes, I live in South Tampa, you know, I care about all the districts in our city. I really do. I often hear that the city doesn't -- they disproportionately spend money on different districts. So I broke it down by the districts where these projects are going to be. Pump station upgrades, which I completely support. Check that with the list of the basins and see which ones flooded. 15 in district 5. Five in district 6. Five in district 7. Two of them are in district 4 which I support because we just gave them a hundred million dollars for a stormwater project, and this is okay with me. TPD, two for TFR. It's a total of almost $74 million. I really have a huge issue with the contract between the rays and the county because they tried to give them $30 million of that. When you see that nifty little map that FEMA made, there wasn't any problems in that area. Yes, this is on the budget -- this is on the agenda. Charter review, continue as a cohesive group. You guys have done a fabulous job with that. I would like to see the mayor participate in the conversation this afternoon. That's all I have for the moment.

9:52:25AM Thank you, Ms. Poynor. Good morning, Mr. Doss. Surgret doss. I'm here on items 87 through 89, the peregrine thing. I want people to remember, that money came after 2023 shooting in Ybor City. The legislature funded a crime prevention initiative that's supposed to include community engagement. So far that money has bought drones and now $595,000 data platform from a company founded by palantir alum. Same kind of platform other Florida agencies are buying and using for immigration enforcement. TPD own August 4 memo doesn't mention ybor or community engagement or the City of Tampa as a matter. Says that TPD needs peregrine to share law enforcement information across state agencies. To me, this thing seems to be more like a statewide data pipeline and the people of Ybor City -- well, Tampa, use as justification for getting this thing funded. When you look at the process, you all asked for a briefing from the acting chief and set this item I believe for November 5. Then it was moved up to today at your all's request or staff's request. When the people's elected representatives ask for time, staff does not get to decide if that time is up. Consider the people who elected you to do their -- do a job for them and look out for them. For my own personal experience, I know a police report is the only -- only as true as the officer who wrote it. When a false report goes into a statewide system, it doesn't stay in Tampa. Follows a person into every agency that pulls it. If it's wrong, who corrects it? By the way, who is going to audit this thing. Talk about the IG thing a little bit later. Before you vote, get answers on the record. Who is going to get the shared data and let the people know. Also, we need to know if it reaches any kind of federal immigration enforcement, how long it's kept and who audits it after that. What policy governs it and has the public seen this thing. If those answers are on the record today, the -- defer the item to at least November 5, the date you all originally chose. A community that was promised engagement deserves the benefit of such consideration. Tampa's residents shouldn't be funding anything that might be a potential violation of the civil rights, okay, let's keep that in mind. I say that as a veteran. Shout-out to everybody who may be in harm's way who wears a uniform. Shout-out to -- united states and shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, the university of Thomas Jefferson high school. Speaking of tech, one of the greatest and most dynamic athletes I've ever known, hills, fighting for his life. Great tech alumni. Let's pray for the brother.

9:55:31AM Thank you, surgret. Julie, bring it home. Julie magill. Also candidate for mayor. I'm speaking on agenda item 90. Here's what this means in plain english. Tampa has agreed to put $80 million toward public improvements, rays ballpark. Today's vote starts the court approval process for borrowing up to that amount. Residents need to understand this $80 million borrowed is more than $80 million paid back. At the interest rate and 30-year repayment period used in the published analysis, the total would be about 140 million. This is an estimate. It's not a final price, but interest is a real cost and residents deserve to see it. We are told taxes from future development will help repay the city. But the bills could arrive years before enough money comes in. The published model shows loan payments starting in 2027. The target forecast development revenue starts in 2031 but does not cover the full yearly payment until 2045. Think about that. The city would have bills to pay every year while waiting for the proposed development. So who covers that gap? If this deal pays for itself, show us who pays it until it does. If I take out a loan, I can't tell the bank, oh, my future business is going to cover that. They are going to want to know what I'm making right now, how I'll pay it right now. Tampa should do the same. Which city dollars will make those payments? What other projects could be delayed? Who pays if the development takes longer or brings in less money? The financing has a technical name. Non-ad valorem Bonds. That means loan relies on revenues other than property taxes. It does not mean there is no cost to the public. Before moving this forward, please give residents a simple year-by-year repayment plan. Show us loan payments, expected development revenue and exactly where the money comes from whenever there is a shortfall. If the rays are required to cover the shortfall, show us that, too. If they are not, say so clearly. Our neighborhoods need flood protection, safe streets, and reliable services today. $80 million commitment deserves more than a forecast. It deserves a clear explanation of who pays how much and when. Necessity before vanity. Transparency before another financial commitment. Thank you.

9:57:59AM Thank you, julie. That concludes our in-person public speaking on Jan items. We do not have anybody online. Michael randolph, if you are listening, we miss You. We hope you are doing well. Hopefully we'll hear from you next week. We'll continue on with our agenda board administration appointments. Our first is item number 4. I see Robin Lockett. Robin, would you like an opportunity to speak?

9:58:28AM We did not. Did you fill one out?

9:58:32AM You know what, I believe that is probably correct. Go ahead, start with your name, you'll have three minutes. Staff, if you could find robin's card and bring it in for me, please.

9:58:48AM That comes later.

9:58:50AM Disregard all of the above. Would you like an opportunity to speak about your appointment?

9:59:00AM Start with your name. I wrote something out so I can be -- I want to thank Mayor Castor for the appointment. I want to thank council for the support also. Just placing the confidence and trust in me by appointing me to the hartline board of directors, as someone who has personally depended on public transportation, I understand firsthand how important reliable, affordable, and accessible transit -- transportation is to our community. I look forward to bringing both my lived experiences and my years of community advocacy to the table ensuring that the voices of everyday riders are heard and represented. I take this position as any position I take very seriously. As I stated, I used to catch buses to work to make a life for myself and my then young son. I don't know what can be done. It would be a learning stage for me to get a good understanding of it. As you guys know, I'm not shy to speak out in regards to speaking for people because a lot of times people that sit around the table are not the people that have the experience of catching buses and so forth. So I want to bring that to the table. Back in the day, I often talk about villages, right? Ms. Love was my village, because my bus would be late, she never charged me a late fee picking up my son because she knew I was trying to work. The bus drivers were a village because if you were a regular and you weren't at that stop, they took a second away for you because you may be running late or your bus may be running -- you know, it was unfounded, unheard of village that made just life work. The people on the bus that rode the bus with you every day was that village. So I look forward to bringing insight to this position. I want to thank the mayor and I want to thank City Council.

10:01:18AM Thank you very much. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

10:01:20AM Just a couple of words about Ms. Lockett, I have tremendous respect for you. I think you are a person of very good moral character. I met you through Florida rising when you would come here and advocate for affordable housing and a lot of other issues. If people don't know, we were in the same race together. We ran against each other. Through that we were always respectful. We got to know each other even more. I think that when you speak, you speak from the heart. You are the real deal. I don't know. I can say nothing but good things. I know you will be committed to this hundred percent. With your life experience, work experience, I think you are a very good candidate and I move the resolution.

Alan Clendenin

10:02:06AM Thank you. I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:02:10AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm glad to support you, Ms. Lockett. You'll do a great job. I served on the HART board a number of years. I believe you are taking Mr. Mechanik's position, right?

10:02:21AM David Mechanik, I probably should do some sort of thing to honor David on many levels, great guy. Wonderful person. You have big shoes to fill. You're going to fill them. You'll fill them with the stuff you talked about. You live that life that talks about the great benefit that HART is. You have a thirst for justice, thirst for dignity for people, respect for people. I served as three years as HART chairman. The people that HART serves but also our workers. Our bus operators, mechanics. ATU, teamsters. They are good people, the best people. You are going to love working with them. Love working with Scott drainville, the CEO, one of my favorite people. I love Scott a lot. You'll do great. I wanted to salute you.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:09AM Councilwoman Young and then Miranda.

Naya Young

10:03:13AM I just wanted to congratulate you. I think you're the perfect person. I just recently did a bus ride. I rode route 5 and 12. I think having and just talking with the people on the bus, talking with the operators, having somebody on that board that understands and knows what it's like I think is going to be really important. You're going to bring a level of empathy and expertise, but also experience that is definitely needed. Congratulations.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:42AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:03:44AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I also rode the bus most of my life growing up in the ponce de leon housing project. However, getting elected in 1974 through '79, reelection in '75, is that we had our own buses in the City of Tampa called Tampa transit authority. Bus here on cleveland street and great operation going. You had your own token, so forth and so on. Rode the bus, had a transfer and so on. However, then the government stepped in. I never forget. Repeating myself every time I say this. Downstairs, coming down the steps, boy, let me tell you something, the day you take one dollar from the federal government you're going to regret it the rest of your life because now you carry somebody from here to wimauma for a quarter and you can't afford that. Harry Orr was a thousand percent correct. Although I voted last time for million six, if I'm here again, I will not vote it because that's another authority, creates their own funding, Hillsborough county should kick in a lot more. They want to do things their way even on some taxes we pay, community investment tax, CIT and so forth, although we create over 31%, we only get 21% back. I don't know who did that number. Something happened somewhere. And that's all I'm saying. Thank you very much. I love you. I think you do a great job. I echo everything the council members said, your authority and right to serve, you certainly have earned it.

Alan Clendenin

10:05:10AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:05:10AM Thank you. I'm particularly proud of this moment because I know you are a transit rider and you are someone who has been working with people with housing, because housing and transportation is so interlocked that I just see this as a continuation of the work that you're already doing with Florida rising. So I'm really excited to see where this takes you. But really, knowing that we're going to have somebody on that board who really has the pulse of the people really matters. So I'm really excited about that for you. Congratulations.

Alan Clendenin

10:05:49AM Robin, my dear friend, congratulations --

10:05:53AM She lectures me too many times that I call people friends that are not my friends. I hope you are used to doing everything with nothing because that is the challenge of HART. This mission is so large and the resources so small. It's a struggle every day for them to do what they are doing. It's really an impossible task. And to accomplish everything they did. I'm very proud to support you in this position. While this is open, refer to the next two, there was a lot of public comment about term limits. These boards are not set and term limits are not set by the City of Tampa. Just fyi. Term limits on these boards are set by other organizations. They are not set by us. We don't have the flexibility of limiting these types of boards. The other boards that are set within the city, yes, we do, but these we don't. All three of these are mayoral appointments and we're just confirming. That confirmation process, as long as the person is qualified and not a felon or something really terrible about them, the character that prevents them from being able to serve on the boards, we have to stay in our lane. Again, these are mayor appointments. Not our appointments. We don't get to pick. These are mayor appointments and we're confirming the mayor appointments. That's our role today as City Council. I have a motion and second, all those in favor, hip hip hooray. The ayes have it unanimously. Thank you, robin. [ applause ] we'll talk about having something -- already done. Good. Item number 5, sandy, would you like to speak to us? Good morning, another friend. Pretty in red as always. I am having some bad allergies, so I'm going to make my comments very brief. Thank you very much. Thank you to the mayor for pointing me. I look forward to working with robin. I admire her quite a bit. I think my experience of sitting on the HART board for many years will have a great deal of effect and positively for the residents of the community. But also the fact that I really want to help the city. We've got to solve these transportation issues, for the transportation disadvantaged especially, and Luis knows I worked on that quite a bit. Councilman Viera, I'm sorry. I'm really excited about the opportunity and to help folks in these underserved areas that just really don't have any transportation. Thank you all very, very much.

10:08:55AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:08:56AM Let me just say I've had the pleasure of knowing the murman family, Jim and sandy for many years and had the honor of working with the commissioner then when she was in the county and she became the head of Tampa Bay Water, the chairman of the board of Tampa Bay Water when things were different, little harder to do than they are now. Money was tight, and she was the chairman and she did an outstanding job for two years. I'm going to move the nomination.

Alan Clendenin

10:09:24AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Viera. Any further discussion? Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

10:09:30AM Thank you, sir. I wanted to commend you, commissioner murman, former state rep murman for your service. It's funny. You wouldn't remember this but we met first when I was 18-year-olds at USF. You were running for the legislature. I was a kid. It's funny. A lot of funny stories in that, obviously. Your long legacy in public service is wonderful. Thank you for your willingness to serve. God bless you.

Alan Clendenin

10:09:54AM I have two questions. I haven't asked you these questions. Are you supportive of the streetcar and expansion?

10:10:02AM Expansion of transit, mass transit through the City of Tampa? Absolutely.

10:10:08AM Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

10:10:08AM I'll ask a question along that line. What about, right now, HART has voted to expand or the possibility of getting their full mill. Right now they take half a mill. Are you supportive of them going for the full mill on property taxes? I will support anything that can help get more funding for HART, absolutely.

10:10:34AM Great. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:10:35AM I have a motion and second. All in favor, aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Congratulations. I look forward to working with you.

10:10:42AM Thank you. Item number 6. Janet Cruz rifkin is in europe right now and was unable to attend. I did speak with her. Of course, she's looking forward to our support. The mayor has appointed her for four-year term on housing. For those of you that don't know, she was a housing advocate in her period of time in the state house and the legislature. Anybody --

Guido Maniscalco

10:11:13AM Couple of comments. Knowing when she was state rep Cruz and then senate, she understands sadowski fund. She understands the challenges from tallahassee. Knowing her in that elected position, she was always fighting for the community. When it came to housing affordability, jobs, do the job fair, I would always see her out there, always very active. And that's the person that I know. That's it.

Alan Clendenin

10:11:44AM You moved the resolution. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. Any further discussion? All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Congratulations. I think you're in Spain. Congratulations in Spain. Have a nice big glass of red wine for us. Passed unanimously. We are moving on. Any requests for reconsideration of legislative matters?

Martin Shelby

10:12:09AM The clerk has --

The clerk

10:12:11AM Hurtak absent at vote and Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:12:14AM Thank you for catching that. Hearing none, consent agenda. Councilman Viera, please move items 7-14.

Luis Viera

10:12:20AM I move said items.

Alan Clendenin

10:12:22AM Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

10:12:27AM My last time moving public safety agenda, by the way. Just saying.

Charlie Miranda

10:12:34AM Can we send a commendation to him for the last time? [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

10:12:42AM That's the funniest thing you've ever said. Councilwoman Young, move items 15-29.

Naya Young

10:12:51AM And before I move --

Alan Clendenin

10:12:55AM Did I call the vote? I don't remember. All in favor, aye. Thank you. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

10:13:01AM Before I move the items, because I know I got some calls and questions regarding the social action and arts funding, these were approved for FY '26. We did have a social action arts funding workshop so that we can have, you know, better oversight, a better process and more alignment with our city goals. So, of course, you know, FY '27 we'll have more, you know, it will be more aligned with what we want to see in the city and what our goals are. These were approved in FY '26. You'll see different organizations hopefully for FY '27. I move items 15 through 29.

Alan Clendenin

10:13:43AM Motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have IT. Infrastructure committee, 30 through 50.

Guido Maniscalco

10:13:51AM Was anything pulled from this? No. I move items 30-50.

Alan Clendenin

10:13:56AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Viera. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Miranda, would you move items 51-55, finance committee.

Charlie Miranda

10:14:03AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

10:14:05AM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you move items 56-65.

Naya Young

10:14:14AM I move items 56 through 65.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:17AM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, would you move 66-70.

Guido Maniscalco

10:14:26AM I move 66 through 70.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:28AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion to set the public hearings on 71 and 72.

Guido Maniscalco

10:14:36AM So move items 71 and 72. They are both listed with all the information.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:41AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion to open the -- all public hearings. Motion from Miranda, second from Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. He brought me my coffee. Looks like he'll keep his job today. The public hearings are open. Item 73, we're into second readings. Staff? We're moving too fast for staff.

Guido Maniscalco

10:15:20AM Let's talk more.

Alan Clendenin

10:15:21AM We could sing. [Singing]

Charlie Miranda

10:15:47AM Please, I'm going to lose my hair.

Guido Maniscalco

10:15:51AM We have some people in the audience.

Alan Clendenin

10:15:52AM Who is supposed to be presenting? I guess we don't need anybody, do we? Does anybody have questions on it? Anybody in the audience wishing to speak to item 73? Hearing none, motion to close from Councilman Miranda, second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

10:16:17AM I move an ordinance presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending chapter 16, article v, section 16-86 of the City of Tampa code, tree trust fund, providing for annual distribution of tree trust fund monies for the benefit of tree-mendous Tampa, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict therewith, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:16:43AM Motion from Councilman Viera and second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:16:50AM Motion carried unanimously. Hurtak being absent at vote and Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:16:55AM Thank you. Is there staff to present for 74? Emily Phelan, Planning Commission staff. Item 74 is ta/cpa 26-08, a map amendment located at 4707 East Henry Avenue. The request is to change the future land use designation from residential 10 to residential 35. This amendment was approved at the September 24, 2026 hearing and is before you for second reading. I'm available if you have any questions.

10:17:26AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you read this, please?

Naya Young

10:17:38AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, future land use element, future land use map for the property located at 4707 East Henry Avenue from residential 10, r-10, to residential 35, r-35, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:17:57AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Viera. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:18:04AM Motion carried unanimously with Hurtak being absent at vote and Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:18:09AM Emily, are you presenting for 75? Emily Phelan, Planning Commission staff. Item 75 is ta/cpa 26-01. Map amendment located at 1605 North Waters Court. The request is to change the future land use designation from community mixed use 35 to urban mixed use 60. This amendment was approved at the September 24, 2026 hearing and is before you for second reading. I'm available if you have any questions.

10:18:35AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Can I have a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, would you read item 75, please.

Guido Maniscalco

10:18:49AM Item 75, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan future land use element, future land use map for the property located at an ordinance amending the Tampa Comprehensive Plan, future land use element, future land use map, for the property located at 1605 North Waters Court, from community mixed use 35, CMU 35 to urban mixed use 60, UMU 60, providing for repeal of all ordinances in conflict, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:15AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:19:23AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:25AM Thank you. The 10:00 public hearings, the rest, items 76 through 80 are quasi-judicial. If you are Planning on testifying or speaking to any of these items, you need to be sworn in. Please stand, raise your right hand to be sworn in by our clerk. [Oath administered] thank you very much. Item 76.

Leo Debardeleben

10:19:57AM Good morning, council. Item 76 is ab 2-26-10 for property located at 6203 North Florida Avenue. Request is for alcoholic beverage sales small venue classification, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises and package sales consumption off premises. Site plan modifications were required between first and second reading. Those changes have been completed and the site plan has been certified and copy provided to the clerk. I am available for any questions?

Alan Clendenin

10:20:24AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to item 76. Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

10:20:40AM File ab2-26-10, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises and package sales/off premises consumption and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot, or tract of land located at 6203 North Florida Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 3, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, repealing ordinance number 2021-69, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:21:20AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:21:28AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:21:31AM Thank you. 77.

Leo Debardeleben

10:21:32AM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item number 77 is ab 2-26-16 for the property located at 5804 East Columbus Drive. The request is for alcoholic beverage sales small venue classification for beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises and package sales, consumption off-premises. Site plan modifications required between first and second readings. Changes completed. Plan certified. Copy provided to the clerk. Available for questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:22:04AM Council have questions? Hearing none? Anybody in the public? Motion to close from Miranda. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Is there an applicant that wants to speak to the item? Motion to close. All in favor aye. Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

10:22:24AM Item number 77, file ab 2-26-16, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises and package sales off-premises consumption, and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 5804 East Columbus Drive in Tampa, Florida, as more described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:23:04AM Motion from Miranda, second from Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:23:11AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:23:13AM Thank you. Item number 78.

Leo Debardeleben

10:23:20AM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item number 78, ab 2-26-17, property located at 1601 through 1607 North Franklin Street. For the record, staff has identified a possible error with the proposed ordinance regarding the specific unit associated with the request. And we're asking for a continuance so staff can get with the applicant and verify and confirm the repeal of the existing ordinance --

Alan Clendenin

10:23:55AM The applicant is here. I'll recognize the applicant. Leo identified an issue. We think we have it cleared up. Honestly it will take time to sit down. Upper north franklin. Old historic building. There are four units. We're taking two of the units. There is a question of whether the legal matches or not. There's a little bit of confusion. Again, I think we have it straightened out. Ms. Johnson Velez feels important that it is right. Continue to the night meeting next week. Should only take a minute to do if we get it right. If not, we'll withdraw the application and start over again. We're asking for a continuation to next week.

10:24:39AM Recognize Councilwoman Hurtak for the motion. She has it all right here.

Lynn Hurtak

10:24:42AM I'll move item number 78 to October 22 evening session, 5:01 p.m. 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602. Can I make a motion to have it first so it can be done and out of the way?

Alan Clendenin

10:25:07AM Motion to continue item number 78 to October 22, 2026 from Councilwoman Hurtak. I heard the second from Councilman Viera first. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you very much. See you next week. Actually, I won't see you next week. I won't be here. Item 79 and 80, I was not here --

The clerk

10:25:26AM Clarification on item 79. On the agenda it reads first reading consideration, but it's second reading and adoption. Agenda was typed to say first reading. It's second reading and adoption. 79. I'm sorry. 79. 79 is second reading and adoption. For 79 and 80, I was not here during the first reading but I reviewed the record and reviewed the recording and I'm prepared to vote. Item 79, staff.

Leo Debardeleben

10:26:00AM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 79 is ab 2-26-19, for the property located at 6207 South Dale Mabry Highway. Request is for alcoholic beverage sales small venue classification, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises only. Site plan modifications were required between first and second readings. Those changes have been made and the certified plans have been provided to the clerk. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:26:25AM Council have any questions? Hearing none. Is there an applicant that wants to speak? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda, ask fred Councilman Viera. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Luis Viera

10:26:39AM Move an ordinance presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance approving a special use permit su-2 for --

Alan Clendenin

10:26:48AM It's second reading and adoption.

Luis Viera

10:26:51AM Sorry. It's so funny. You put something in front of me to read. Thank you for that. An ordinance presented for second reading and adoption -- strike that consideration, an ordinance approving a special use permit SU 2 for alcoholic beverage sales, small venue, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises only, and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, on the certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 6207 South Dale Mabry Highway, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2, providing that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:27:32AM This is an ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. It is adoption. Motion from Councilman Viera. A second from Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:27:46AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:27:48AM Thank you. Item number 80.

Leo Debardeleben

10:27:50AM Leo Debardeleben, Development Coordination. Item 80 is ab2-26-20 for the property located at 210 East Fowler Avenue. This is a special use 2 request for the alcoholic beverage sales restaurant classification for beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises only. Site plan modifications required between first and second reading. Those changes have been completed. The plan certified and copy provided to the clerk. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

10:28:17AM Council have questions? Hearing none, applicant wishing to speak to the item? Hearing none, anybody in the audience wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you read item 80?

Naya Young

10:28:33AM File ab 2-26-20, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance approving a special use permit SU 2 for alcoholic beverage sales, restaurant, beer, wine and liquor, consumption on premises only and making lawful the sale of beverages regardless of alcoholic content, beer, wine and liquor, on that certain lot, plot or tract of land located at 210 East Fowler Avenue, Tampa, Florida, as more particularly described in section 2, providing us that all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict are repealed, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

10:29:06AM Motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

10:29:15AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

10:29:19AM Thank you. We'll try to get at least one of the 10:30 hearings out. Let's move on to 81.

Ross Samons

10:29:30AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination.

Lynn Hurtak

10:29:38AM You need to put your mike on.

Martin Shelby

10:29:40AM Sorry. Just a reminder that the staff report resolution is the high ticket items that don't need staff --

Alan Clendenin

10:29:47AM We'll take care of that. Item 81.

Ross Samons

10:29:58AM Development Coordination, presenting vac-26-07. I have to ask the clerk to share the elmo screen.

Alan Clendenin

10:30:06AM It's coming up.

Ross Samons

10:30:07AM The applicant is Jeffrey Mason. Property address is 3902 West Wyoming Avenue. This is a proposed vacating request to vacate a portion of Church Avenue right-of-way and that alley way located of North Wisconsin Avenue, of South Wyoming Avenue, of East Grady Avenue, and of West Dale Mabry Highway. The application was filed February 2, 2026. Right-of-way is partially unimproved. The right-of-way was created by subdivision plat. The existing right-of-way is approximately 26,655 square feet. The reason for the request is illegal dumping. Aerial view of the proposed vacating request. The alley east and west and portion of Church Avenue north and south in yellow. The portion of church and the alleyway was created. Image looking from South Wyoming Avenue. This is the portion of church. This is looking from North Wisconsin Avenue. And this is looking from East Grady Avenue. This is the approximate location of the alleyway. Staff objects to this vacating request, in had particular Transportation Department easement reservations required by frontier, special conditions, natural resources, comply with chapter 27 regards to tree preservation and site design for any improvements placed adjacent to trees in a vacated area. Melanie calloway with Mobility department is available if you have any questions about those objections. That concludes my presentation.

Alan Clendenin

10:31:58AM Does staff have any questions? Hearing none, applicant. Is there an applicant on this? Come up, start with your name, please. I'm the homeowner at 3903 west Wyoming. I'm here to ask for approval. The request is simple, to vacate the two undeveloped segments of the right-of-ways next to my property and others on that street. A portion of Church Avenue, formerly willow street, is unimproved alleyway and block 19. To plainly put it, these strips of land don't serve any practical traffic or city purposes. My home was built in 1966. The land has never once been paved, utilized or turned into an actual street. There isn't even a sidewalk going through that area. The city has not had to mow the property. I'm hoping that after today, the neighbors and I can finally say that we mow our own property and not the city's and carry zero thru traffic. Finally the only thing, public access to this segment accomplishes is providing public access directly to our backyards. Leaving it as a dormant strip of city property officially makes it a municipality maintenance liability. I know the city likes to preserve its historical street grids and I respect that. Sometimes we just have to look at it to see if it makes sense and make a change for the good for the neighborhood. Just two streets over on Ohio, the City Council wisely recognized that vacating unimproved right-of-way was a commonsense choice to better accommodate the southside baptist church property. My property shares the exact same footprint and situation. Approving this petition today just applies the same practical logic in our block. I've got some pictures if you want to see --

10:34:15AM There is a wolf. Drop it down face up and it will automatically come up. As you can see, it's taken the unimproved property and making it their own. They actually have a big building on it. That's this area right in here. On the back side, this is my property right here. You can see that I have a driveway that was expected to run into a street. That was never built. Eventually, I would like the property to be split among four ways so that all the neighbors can share that property. Any questions for me?

10:35:03AM Council have questions? Anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Thank you, sir. Start with your name, please. $573. $573. I don't have a problem with vacating an alleyway. I have never, ever driven by this lot and seen it full with garbage. I have seen that house looking like trash. I don't know if it is the current owners or previous owners or what, but I've seen this house with boarded up front windows and all kinds of nonsense going on. But I've never seen garbage in this area. This is who lots. Two lots. Please ask Mr. Sam Diego how big it is. I think 60 by 140, something like that. You could put two affordable housing units on it. This is giving away this land for $573. Here is your raftelis report. That is the current cost to do a vacation for an alleyway. You can do it for an alleyway and a right-of-way. This is crap. We've got people in South Tampa who have lived there their whole entire lives. I'm handing out palm cards, and I see there are generations of people living in 1200-square-foot houses because they want to stay in their community, and they can't afford to, but you all want to give away two lots for $573. Not no, but hell no. seriously. We have got to reconsider this. This raftelis report, it neglects this huge gap in there. I cannot for the life of me understand. Carroll ann Bennett wasn't able to be here today. She played on these two lots when she was a child. If somebody has already built on these lots, they need to be backing it up. You can't do that. You're not allowed to do that. Church, no church, house, no house, you can't build on the city's property without permission to do so. Make the church buy what they have encroached on already. But this is absolutely ridiculous. $573 and you're going to give away, they will have a whole other lot next door. Tomorrow they could tear that place down. The last time I tried to sell one of my rental properties three years ago, domain offered me, I think right at $300,000. You would be giving away $600,000 worth of city property for $573 when we have people begging for affordable housing in our community. You know I don't want any more density, but this is ridiculous. Thank you.

10:37:51AM Thank you. Next speaker, please. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. I'm also talking in regards to this. For $573, I can buy the land and I can build a new house on it and sell my property that my home is going to shambles because no one wants to help in my area. $573, you're giving. Make affordable housing for people to live. Do something to help people. Everybody has this, developers can do whatever they want and they get these credits. But sometimes they don't follow the rules. To some people, affordable housing is 2300 for an apartment. That's not feasible for someone sometimes. This maybe we can do something with it, not give it away for pretty much free. Please, think about that area. The alley, okay, but that piece of property, two lots that we can do so much with. Thank you.

10:38:58AM Thank you. Next speaker. Today I'm coming to you as a realtor of 20 years plus experience in the neighborhood. Stephanie is not wrong. Those lots are currently valued at approximately 250 apiece. My recent walks, I realized there's tons of these little orphaned parcels sitting out there. I can appreciate not wanting to have illegal dumping on them. I spend a lot of my days working on things like that. But it is this particular piece is going to be about a $500,000 sale. Once you deed it over or once acquired, it can be split off and redeveloped. I'm not saying that's what this applicant intends on doing, but it is a function and also opens the door for every other parcel that is along that route to also be split off and sold. The city may be in need of money soon. Just saying. And we would love some more stormwater drainage. So we could possibly acquire it and use it for stormwater. Any other acquisitions you've made for stormwater recently, 250 or less? Probably not. These parcels are a valuable piece of land. Just to keep in mind. I do say that from on the ground real estate professional, working with cash transactions currently. The city always pays more. Thank you.

Lynn Hurtak

10:40:17AM Thank you very much. Mr. Shelby, You're going to have to remind me. Does the applicant get rebuttal here?

Martin Shelby

10:40:29AM Actually, this is not, because this is not quasi-judicial. This is legislative.

Lynn Hurtak

10:40:35AM Just double checking.

Martin Shelby

10:40:37AM If you have any questions, certainly you can ask him questions.

Lynn Hurtak

10:40:40AM Well then --

Guido Maniscalco

10:40:46AM Motion to close.

Lynn Hurtak

10:40:48AM Motion to close by Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor? Aye.

Guido Maniscalco

10:40:55AM May I make a motion? I have a motion to deny this vacating based on the objections of staff in the original presentation. Vac-26-07.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:12AM I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. I have a second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

The clerk

10:41:22AM Motion carried unanimously with Clendenin absent at vote and Carlson being absent.

Lynn Hurtak

10:41:29AM I think that we are moving to 82 -- actually, no, we're not doing 82. I think we're moving back to doing off agenda public comment. Is that what he said he wanted to do? I know we have something -- isn't there something we have to do at 11:30? We have a hard stop at 11:30, and we need to get through the off agenda public comment. I'll start off agenda public comment. Stephanie poynor. Followed by Cynthia shellabarger and Michelle Mastrototaro. Stephanie poynor. This is one of my favorite maps that not everybody has. These are all the people who work at MacDill Air Force Base, all 30,000 of them. If you notice the red areas, they are the most concentrated areas for macdill and then we have the yellow areas which are less concentrated and less concentrated. But you see all those people have to come through this little area in red right here, every single one of them. All 30,000 have to come through there to go to work. They don't work on a regular schedule for most traffic studies. I'd like to see the traffic studies that are taking place on dale mabry and manhattan right now. Curious to see what they say. Macdill is an economic engine. They employ the same number of people as the port does. They are all coming through sog. November 2021, I did a walking tour from the green store all the way to Westshore with mobility staff for this project. That's been five years ago next month. We had a public meeting in January of 2022. This project was originally projected at $3 million, little bit less than 3 million. Right here. But for some weird reason, it's on the new CIT for 8 million. Mr. Perry even said it's not going to cost that much. So we're not sure why it's there. But the bottom line is, there is 1.6 million sitting in the Interbay. The Interbay mobility district that could be used to keep this moving forward. Doesn't all have to happen this year. It's not all going to happen this year. The bottom line is the money is there to keep this project moving forward. It should not be deferred. We don't have to steal money from anybody else. We don't have to rob peter to pay paul. We have to keep it moving forward. I have checked. There's some money somewhere that's come in from someplace. I'm still working on it. I want to correct my numbers from the other night. My numbers from the other night. Told you it was 9.4 million. I have an updated spreadsheet on this computer. It's 11.2 million jump. This is not the annual, but the jump in property taxes being paid South of Gandy, west of dale mabry. So our community has taken the brunt of all this, but we've gotten no benefits. The brunt, but no benefits. And, oh, by the way, I'm going to mention it because I'm up here, the red light at tyson and Westshore that we were told we needed in 2006 is still a temporary light. It's only been there about a year or so, but still a temporary light. We have basically in South of Gandy, west of dale mabry have taken on the brunt of the building and the brunt of the traffic but yet we get nothing. This will also work on stormwater. Just like Michelle said this morning, the prescott flooding on Interbay, the water is not draining any longer and it used to.

10:45:39AM I'm going to remind people in the audience that we can hear everything that's being said. If you need to have a side conversation, please take it out to at least the antechamber. Cynthia shellabarger, followed by ashley and Michelle. And supporting documentation to be entered permanently into today's official public record. Hello. My name is Cynthia shellabarger. As the community Redevelopment agency board, your core legal mandate is to protect public infrastructure and ensure absolute transparency. But right now, the fast track timeline for the $2.3 billion rays stadium district is running directly against the public trust. The public has been told this deal tracks toward a critical vote on the community benefits agreement on November 12. Yet behind the scenes, we must address the structural integrity of this process. A key public official voting to authorize this campus eviction on the Hillsborough College Board of Trustees is clay hollis. Clay hollis is a vice president at the consulting firm tucker hall. He works directly under Councilman Bill Carlson who serves as that private firm's president. Under Florida statute 112.3143 a public official cannot vote on matters that result in special private gain for their business or associated entities. This council deserves an answer to a critical question of transparency. Investigative reports from Florida politics revealed that leadership Tampa INC., a private 501(c)(4) undisclosed donor network tied directly to councilman Carlson's upcoming mayoral run operates out of the exact same physical office address as tucker hall. Therefore, the public has a right to ask, does this undisclosed donor network operating under the tucker hall roof stand to benefit from private corporations, stadium developers, or political power brokers tied to this multibillion dollar stadium district? Councilman Carlson has historically done the right thing by recusing himself from votes involving tucker hall to preserve public trust. I'm here today to demand he uphold that exact same standard now. If there is any overlap between his private office's resources and the forces driving this ballpark, a severe conflict exists. Tearing down 8 vital academic buildings and a tennis center to leave local students with permanent 188 million deficit is a community disaster. Not a benefit, to the remaining members of this council, protect the integrity of this body. We formally call on Councilman Carlson to acknowledge this corporate nexus and commit to recusing himself from the November 12 vote. Also, no cba should be signed until developers legally contract to fund the entire college infrastructure up front. Thank you.

10:49:07AM Thank you very much. Michelle Mastrototaro, then ashley morrow and vicky tong. My name is Michelle Mastrototaro. I'm going off of the Non-Stephanie was talking about for our area that we have so much growth, 9%, most growth in South of Gandy where we don't need it, the coastal high hazard area. We are suffering. We are going under. There's not been nothing done in our area. Port Tampa has been neglected so severely that, I mean are they purposefully sabotaging the area just to redevelop? I tend to question the integrity of some of the people that are running this because I've been since 2020, and I'm going to go for East Tampa, too. Because East Tampa has been neglected, too. Sulphur Springs was supposed to get a whole revamp. That one went out the window for the South Howard project. Just as South of Gandy got -- we got directed our money to South Howard also. That's going to allocate everybody's money. And I'm glad that they have this lawsuit going, and hopefully this will keep pushing it out. You know what, there are people that need help. You all diligently who are going to be here on board future, it needs to happen. It needs to be helped. Our areas are in jeopardy. We pay a lot of taxes, and I don't get nothing. I get nothing. I literally get nothing. When they don't want us to vote yes on amendment 3, I tend to say what do I get if I do or don't because I don't get nothing. When you think of the future of all this, you need to start realizing there's people that need a lot of help and the thrills of throwing money from here to there, it's really getting to be really sad and corrupted, I feel. Because in my eyes, there's people that are in desperate need. East Tampa, South of Gandy, Port Tampa, we get hanged up on. We're not even allowed to even say we flood. They say we know you flood, click. We can't even put our dot on the map. They totally wiped us out of it all. I think that we need to start addressing areas that are very vulnerable. And now they are building eight townhomes right behind me. I don't know how that happened. Ten years they sat on that land and now there are eight townhomes being built. What's that going to do to my area? It's really that bad. I'm more worried about trees getting more -- mangroves to help the area and absorb what the apartments took from the area. I just hope that you all can --

Alan Clendenin

10:52:25AM Thank you, Michelle. Ashley, followed by vicky, followed by robin. My name is ashley morrow. I'll be sharing Tampa's black history. A couple of weeks ago, I spoke about just basically the health industry here in Tampa. We know a lot about clara frye who owned and ran an early negro hospital in the Tampa Bay area, specifically in the scrub on lemar. After she passed away, a new hospital was built, by Blake High School, my alma mater, sits right now. I want to take us back to its inception. When she was getting it built and she was creating that space, there was already a black hospital that was started by Thomas mcknight. The reason that hospital was brought forward was because of that small pox scare that happened in 1899. During that small pox scare, a man by the name of mj Christopher and a black reporter was murdered by allegedly a police Officer, Police woodard from the Tampa Police Department. What happened with this incident, I guess he was in a bar. A fight happens and the officer does admit to hitting him over the head with his pistol. I don't know if the lights went out, but he claims that mj Christopher shot himself with his own gun. When he was getting carried out of the bar, he said police woodard did not shoot me. He kept saying that. That's what was claimed in the newspaper. Looking back at relations of the city, I did not believe it. But it is written in the newspaper that he committed suicide in some sense. I don't really believe that's how that story went. I don't think I have it pulled up here, but I was able to pull it up. I'm working on a portal actually and I want to bring it to kids that they are able to search for something. And these are mainly all my clippings, but they will be able to add their own clippings and pull up different newspaper clippings I found that use -- that talk about Tampa's black history. And the next step to it, they will be able to transcribe the record. The reason why that's important, there may be some text in here that may hold their grandparents' names or something like that. Once you click on transcribe that record, they go in here and they can zoom in and type in the record. They would do this for community service hours. That is the big idea for that. Reaching out to different black history club teachers at various high schools here in Tampa. I didn't really come up here for that. But what happened was, I was in a meeting and I forgot to put the rest of the presentation together. So you all get a little sneak peek. Thank you all so much for your time. With mj Christopher, there's nothing that can really be done about that. But just to correct the record, I do not think he committed suicide on that day. I think he was shot and killed. Thank you.

10:55:37AM Thank you, ashley. Vicky followed by robin followed by surgret. I am a concerned community member and also a member of the Tampa immigrant rights committee. I'm here to demand that Tampa City Council pass an ordinance ending the 287(g) agreement and ending collaboration with i.c.e. As a Tampa resident and someone who has personally been impacted by i.c.e. Detentions and operations I do not want my tax dollars going to immigration enforcement. This agreement uses our taxpayer dollars to train the Tampa Police Department, to act as immigration enforcement. So far $430,000 has been put to TPD's immigration enforcement training. Second, we have locally seen the direct impact of what happens when local law enforcement collaborates with i.c.e. In August of 2026, a seffner husband and father and mexican immigrant adelaido chavez-mariano was stopped by a Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office deputy at a traffic stop. He was brutalized and injured by HCSO, and then because of HCSO's collaboration with i.c.e., i.c.e. Had access to his arrest information and detained adelaido at the baker detention center near jacksonville. Adelaido's story is one of many stories. Because in the month of August 2026, i.c.e. Arrested 50,000 people as a part of trump's agenda for nationwide arrest surge. I.c.e. Is already in the City of Tampa, terrorizing, arresting, and deporting our immigrant community members. That is why TPD should end their collaboration with i.c.e. And end the 287(g) agreement. I.c.e. Has also injured and murdered immigrants and supporters of immigrant rights such as silverio villegas gonzalez, renee good, and many others. Cities all across the country, including here in Tampa, are taking a stand and demanding that the cities take a stand against trump's agenda and attacks on immigrants. That is why I am here to demand that the Tampa City Council act in the interest of the constituents and take a stand against trump and desantis agenda by passing an ordinance to end Tampa's collaboration with i.c.e. And end the 287(g) agreement. Thank you.

10:57:44AM Thank you very much. Robin. Followed by surgret and then Aaron. Robin Lockett. I want to say something quickly about being good stewards of taxpayer money. Back in '26 -- I applaud -- I applaud City Council for coming up with a process in regards to giving out money to nonprofits and so forth, because it's all about accountability. With this social action and art fund program, I don't believe that one agency should be targeted. If you're going to hold one agency accountable, you need to do it across the board. I'm fair about that. But I think with everybody, the nonprofits, when they deal with the city in my mind, they are an extension of what the city can do. And they are doing the work, the community work. In regards to them proving that they are worthy of the $100,000, because you all are giving out good money. $75,000, a hundred, to whatever you're giving out, there should be proof that they have done the work and not only with receipts, how has the work impacted the community? You should be able to see that, because people can doctor up whatever they want to doctor up. But how is that impacting the community? In regards to all of this, like I said, I'm thankful that you guys put a process in place going forward to '27, and trying to make it as equal as possible, but you have to be accountable for taxpayer money. And this is a great way with putting and allowing, if the administration is supposed to do it and keep tabs on it and give them the tools that they need to make that program successful. That's what I want to share with you guys. Thank you.

10:59:55AM Surgret. I want to talk about the one office that would answer every question I raised during my earlier comment. Unwavering and truly independent inspector general. Maybe if we had one years ago, we would know a little bit more about the truth of the gentleman Ms. Morrow spoke about a little while ago. I do want to thank the chair for the rewrite that gives the IG subpoena power. Very necessary for legitimate oversight of anything. Gave the ability to investigate on his or her own initiative and gave proper reach over contractors, vendors and grantees. And also protection against retaliation. We have to remember who the office can reach, city employees and those paid with city money. That actually includes police officers who write reports and the attorneys who represent the city in court, the staff and outside counsel alike. Had to deal with them. I live with what happens when a report is falsified, actually when a lawyer walks in and misstates facts to a judge and no one in city hall is responsible to looking into it. Still have 7,000 e-mails. When this conduct happens, residents paying tax money, freedom, disruption of their family, loss of finances. The city owes its citizens honesty from the employees and everyone it pays. As you finish the language, I'm asking you all for four things. The first thing is keep it out of human resources and away from under the administration investigates. It wouldn't work otherwise. Two, guarantee budget in the charter so it can't be starved quietly. 10,000 for e-mails. Three, please protect whistle-blowers. Necessary across the state. Employees and residents alike. Anybody who could suffer consequences for retaliation. Four, require the IG to report its work to the public, taxpayers, and do it in plain language, layman's terms, no at whole bunch of legalese. And put the final draft in onbase before you vote on it because the public should read what goes on the March 2027 ballot before it's decided, not after. Accountability only exists when someone independent is allowed to look over people and give Tampa that kind of official. Independent IG can assure other veterans like myself won't be violated by false police reports in the weight of a corrupt administration. Shout-out to everybody wearing a uniform who is currently in harm's way or unfortunately in such an unfortunate situation and shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

11:03:07AM Aaron. My name is Aaron pickern. I'm sure some of you know I have quite a bit to say. Not a lot of time to say it. I know this is off item speaking. Try to keep it off item. I'm a military veteran myself. I was a virtual systems engineer at socom and also rf transmission systems at special operations command central. That will be important later. Not saying it to blow myself up. Some of you, I don't know what is going on in this council, but the helicopter spray 62% trade secret. You're spraying us with chemicals that 62% of we can't even see what it is. The one thing they tell us, the biological thing, is a known irritant. I have a full report.

11:04:05AM That's county, by the way. It's not city. On me 15 times in the last 30 days. I have the records that show you coordinated with them to do that. And you are requesting more to come. Thank you. So that's disgusting that our citizens are being sprayed with a chemical that we can't even see what 62% of it is and the rest is a known delayed irritant. I also want to say, Davis Islands beach currently has an active water quality health advisory due to elevated enterococcus bacteria, fecal matter. This was as of October 8, 2026, issued the advisory on October 8 based on samples taken Wednesday, October 7, that the official threshold used by beaches, the maximum is 100. We are sitting at 120. Doh advises against any water-related activities because of increased risk of illness. The advisory stays in place until retesting shows levels below the accepted threshold. City of Tampa notes it is expected to remain until at least the next results around October 15 to 16. There was no warning sign at that beach. None of the citizens of this city were warned. This whole city is contaminated. It is not just Davis Islands. I have the map that shows that every water in this city is contaminated. It's a biological disaster of bacteria. There are 15 biological dumps into our water that this city doesn't tell the citizens about in the last 15 years. Thank you.

11:05:46AM Thank you, Aaron. I'm sorry. Well, give me 15 seconds, I guess. Okay. I can't find it. That peregrine system is a nightmare. None of you know it, but it creates a profile on all of us. Councilwoman Hurtak, you especially should be interested in knowing that this is the nightmare system. Connects everything I please beg to you protect these citizens.

11:06:25AM Thank you, sir. Your time is up. Thank you. That concludes off agenda public comment. Are we ready to present 82? Let's go. Done in 22 minutes.

Ross Samons

11:06:41AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination presenting file vac-26-17. Applicant is Stephen lay. Property address is 2512 West Palm Drive. This is a proposed vacating request to vacate the remaining portion of the alley lying of North Bayshore Boulevard, of South Maryland Avenue, of East Palm Drive and of West Carolina Avenue. Application was filed June 29, 2026. Right-of-way is partially unimproved. Right-of-way created by subdivision plat. Existing right-of-way is approximately 4,665 square feet. Reason for the request is this is an unimproved alley that has not been used in 40 plus years. We need the City of Tampa to vacate to properly secure the property and home. This is the proposed vacating request. Alleyway in yellow. This is the plat in which the alley was created here. This is a clip of the City of Tampa atlas sheet showing the remaining portion of the alley requested to be vacated here. As you can see, the other portion was previously vacated. This is looking southwest from carolina avenue. The approximate location of the alley. Staff objects to this vacating request. That includes the Transportation Department, easement reservations are required by TECO and spectrum. Special conditions natural resources comply with chapter 27 regards to tree preservation site design for any improvements placed adjacent to trees in any vacated area. Again, melanie calloway with the Mobility department is available if you have any questions about objections.

Alan Clendenin

11:08:39AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant? Come on up. Stephen lay. My wife Jennifer is sitting next to me. Yes, I am proposing to vacate that specific alley. More specifically by my home behind my home. I have a few pictures that further depicts. My home is right here. Ultimately, the reason of this, it creates an interesting message when homeless people find their way buried in there, pitching tents and stuff like that. When you call the City of Tampa for police help, they say that it's public. You are ultimately harboring a shelter in a 15-foot alleyway. Can't be built. Can't be developed. Again, my home is here. I'm asking just for this to be further developed -- excuse me, further to be vacated as it is partially vacated. Here is actually an aerial of the alleyway. As you can see, these are kind of parallelled. You can see that since my records show 1939 was the last time maybe a vehicle went down this alleyway past this blockade which kind of starts where you see unimproved -- I apologize. I'm a homeowner. I don't know all the proper terminologies and what have you. Again, these are pictures of trees, full trees in the area. Let alone for a truck or a utility line or anyone to get through it, wouldn't be possible. I have letters also stating from every property owner that there is no objection of who it would be affected by. Again, just furthering the point that this really doesn't affect anybody except for the three or four residents that are beside it, myself being at the dead end of it, and for the reasons that we would like to keep our family safe, we find that there's no purpose for any, again, not us to develop it, not anyone to develop it, but for the reason to secure our property and making sure that we can have reassurance that that alleyway just gets bumped up further so we can further secure our yard, please.

11:11:27AM Are you finished? I have a question about your pictures. The pictures you showed, are those the portions -- are those the portions of the alleyway already vacated or portions of what you're asking to be vacated? Only asking for --

11:11:45AM The pictures with all the clutter you showed.

11:11:53AM Where is the alley? In that picture?

11:11:58AM Behind that fence, is that, it's been vacated or no? I'm sorry. I see what you're asking. I'm standing right here. Taking a picture that north direction. If this helps, I'm standing right here taking a picture of all of these mature trees, again, proving that nothing has been driven down there in 30, 60, 90 years.

11:12:36AM Do you have pictures of the alleyway itself? What the alleyway looks like in the current condition?

11:12:48AM Trying to figure out clarification of what I saw. What is that?

11:12:56AM That's the area that's been vacated, right? Again, just to further make sure I'm communicating correctly. There is a fence right here. That's this fence. I'm taking a picture down here. This is where that little target is. Somebody is practicing archery or something. And that would be sitting right here. All of these dense trees and everything right here, that would be --

11:13:29AM Can you show me the concrete wall in the picture with the red circles on it? Where is the concrete wall I see to the left?

11:13:43AM Staff, can you come up with your pictures and show me?

Ross Samons

11:13:50AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination. The concrete wall that you're speaking of is this development here on the south side. That fence line of which speaking of is approximately in this location, and then there's about three lots there that this area that hasn't technically been vacated. It's still a public alley. From this point on west, southwest has been vacated.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:18AM Transportation, who is in the audience? Can you come up and explain your objection to this? We had a concern because the property located here at the corner uses this alley to get into their carport. They have an access off of carolina which is right next to the alley so they do have access. But we observed that they are using a portion of the alley. And we were just concerned if you vacate the alley they wouldn't have all the alley which they could maneuver into. That's really our main objection was this property. But he did have a letter --

11:15:05AM Is the letter that property owner?

11:15:12AM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:15AM So is there a way if that person still wanted access to simply, where that first smaller red circle is, could we just vacate to that?

11:15:28AM I'm sorry. I'm asking staff.

Ross Samons

11:15:31AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination. No, it wouldn't be possibly due to code.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:36AM I'm sorry. There's conversation behind me.

Ross Samons

11:15:39AM There's some code language that speaks to dead ending alleys with a vacating now. Even though this is technically a dead end, I guess since that period of time to now, code language has been added. That is the reason that I showed the entire alley, the remainder to be vacated so there's no creating a dead end again.

Lynn Hurtak

11:16:02AM Thank you. I appreciate it.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:04AM Any other questions? Create a dead end to an alleyway. But this already exists.

11:16:15AM We understand. We got it. Any other questions? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

11:16:20AM If I can ask the applicant, are those letters that you had put up for evidence, are those in the record? This is a wet signature and notary and everything.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:33AM If you could submit that to our attorney to put in the evidence.

Martin Shelby

11:16:38AM Is the signator on this document or any of the documents the person who has the parcel that is marked in the corner 118623? The person at the corner, has that person signed one of the documents? That's the one -- here are the other ones.

11:17:01AM Receive and file, please.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:03AM Motion to receive and file. We have a motion and second, all in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Are you good? Does that conclude? Done with the evidence?

11:17:14AM I got to hear public comment. Thank you, Sir. Stephanie poynor, this is public comment time. If you are here to speak, please stand against the wall. Start with your name. You can vacate part of an alleyway. You don't have to vacate the entire thing. City Council did it for me in 2018 or 2019 because I had a dead end that was fenced in on all four sides. I didn't ask for the entire alleyway. I only wanted the part that belonged to me that I had to clean up because I had garbage in there from the '80s, so it has been done before. It absolutely has been done. I wish I could remember the address of the house. They did vacate that particular lot between my house and the house to the south at that time. They didn't vacate the entire rest of the alleyway, so it should be able to be done. There's no reason not to. Thank you.

11:18:20AM Thank you. Next speaker. This is why this exists. This is what it's for. No-brainer. Totally makes sense. I don't see why you couldn't for the last house leave it open if they cared not to close it off. Kind of nonproblem.

11:18:42AM Next speaker. Start with your name. I'm sure they already reserved an easement across that, is that correct? Well, anyway, one of the things misconceptions going around here is that the city owns these alleys in fee. They don't. The alley is held in trust. And when you fail to use it for the dedicated purpose that was contained in the subdivision, it has to be removed by a petition. The $570 is a processing fee for staff. It's not buying the land. It's returning it to the adjacent property owners that rightfully had it to begin with. Anyway, I heard it in the last hearing that somehow this was improper because you were buying the land for some nominal fee. It's not. It goes back to the adjacent property owners. This is a dead end. If they want an easement or something to ensure access, I don't think the property owners petitioning have an objection to that. But to mix up these issues regarding you're giving away land and it's only for a small fee is ridiculous. That doesn't happen. And the staff is very careful about telling you if an alley is fee owned by the city, which is a whole different process, versus vacating an existing dedicated alley. Support them, please. Thank you.

11:20:13AM Thank you. Motion to close from Viera, second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

11:20:20AM Ordinance being presented for first reading, vac-26-17, ordinance of the City of Tampa vacating, closing, discontinuing and abandoning that alleyway described in section 2 hereof which is located of North Bayshore Boulevard, of South Maryland Avenue, of East Palm Avenue and of West Carolina Avenue as dedicated by the plats of revised map of boulevard park and resubdivision of block 24 of holden's subdivision both in Tampa, Hillsborough county, Florida, subject to certain covenants, conditions and restrictions as more particularly set forth herein, providing for enforcement and penalties for violations, providing for definitions, interpretations, and repealing conflicts, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:20:58AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

11:21:03AM Nay.

Alan Clendenin

11:21:05AM Clerk, would you please call that?

The clerk

11:21:07AM Motion carried with Hurtak voting no and Carlson being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on November 5, 2026 At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:21:23AM You got that. Second hearing. Will I get documentation of that?

11:21:29AM No. that's why I want to make sure you got it. How can I get more details to make sure everybody is satisfied?

11:21:41AM It passed with one objection. Call my office and we'll talk about it. A win is a win. Thank you.

11:21:54AM Can we do 85?

Lynn Hurtak

11:21:58AM You can't, because it's not 1:30.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:01AM It's not a public hearing.

Lynn Hurtak

11:22:01AM I wanted to move items 91, 92, 93, and 94.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:06AM Motion to move 91, 92, 93, and 94. What did you decide -- motion and second. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

11:22:17AM I agree with 85.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:20AM Let's move to 85. Here for number 85. This is a first reading of a proposed ordinance amending section 22-308 part of the transportation code, really, streets and sidewalks. But this updates and clarifies the standards for keeping visibility at intersections clear for vehicle and pedestrian safety. It would be enforced by Code Enforcement. We run it by them and they have signed off. I have Robert hatton and Adam Purcell from mobility here if you have any questions about the technical standards.

11:22:57AM Council have any questions? Hearing none. We already had public comment.

Martin Shelby

11:23:11AM With regard to the first readings, there is no public comment.

Alan Clendenin

11:23:16AM Any questions? Very good. Who wants to read this one? Go ahead.

Guido Maniscalco

11:23:23AM I have an ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, e2026-8, chapter 22, an ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, amending the City of Tampa Code of Ordinances chapter 22, article III, division 3, section 22-308, trees, shrubbery, et cetera, obstructing vision of drivers of motor vehicles declared in violation, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:23:45AM Motion by Maniscalco, second by Miranda. All in favor, aye.

The clerk

11:23:48AM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent. Second reading and adoption will be held on November 5, 2026 At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:24:03AM Very good. Councilman Viera, what did you decide about 97?

Luis Viera

11:24:13AM 97, oh, yes, Mr. Brody, this should take one minute, if I may. Just really briefly, I don't have here the revisions, but I was going to say, so this is with the lynching marker that we have on the riverwalk. I wanted something that would provide proper notice to City Council in case it's ever removed. I made two revisions. Number one, include the Hillsborough county NAACP in that proper notice. Number two, take out the language on thanks to the work of Viera, I appreciate it, but -- that's all. That will come back November. November 4, resolution for approval. Really just outlines what Councilman Viera discussed. Ensure that we don't remove that marker before City Council is notified.

11:25:07AM If I may, I'll motion for that to come back on November 5 with those --

Alan Clendenin

11:25:12AM It's already there.

Martin Shelby

11:25:15AM Is it on for November 5? On the calendar?

Carl Brody

11:25:21AM We're requesting to bring it back.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:23AM I have a motion to bring back item 97 for the ordinance on November 5, 2026.

Martin Shelby

11:25:29AM If I can, correction. The motion originally said to report on an ordinance. It appears the resolution is going to be a resolution as opposed to an ordinance. Is that correct?

Carl Brody

11:25:44AM Right. For a little background, we had discussion.

Martin Shelby

11:25:48AM There is no ordinance, correct?

Carl Brody

11:25:50AM Correct.

Martin Shelby

11:25:50AM You worked with a councilman to come up with a resolution with what his goal is.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:55AM It's coming back on November 5.

Carl Brody

11:25:58AM November 5 we'll bring a resolution back upon your approval, we'll bring a resolution back for approval.

Martin Shelby

11:26:05AM The goal of the resolution will be for what purpose?

Carl Brody

11:26:09AM To achieve the goals requested in the motion that we're considering today on item number 97, which is to ensure that the marker is not removed without notice to City Council.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:21AM I have a motion for that on November 5, 2026, second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you.

The clerk

11:26:32AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

11:26:33AM Yeah.

Lynn Hurtak

11:26:40AM What about 96?

Alan Clendenin

11:26:42AM How long you need for 96?

Luis Viera

11:26:44AM That's probably going to be a ten-minute discussion.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:48AM We have to pause that.

Martin Shelby

11:26:58AM It's 11:28.

Alan Clendenin

11:27:00AM Any other unfinished business?

Martin Shelby

11:27:04AM Council, if you want to take a minute, council, I can hand out what's on the addendum and you can move that and get that out of the way with regard to the appointment policy and procedures.

Alan Clendenin

11:27:17AM Yeah, let's do that.

Martin Shelby

11:27:22AM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney, talking about the off-agenda item under new business on the addendum. This is finalizing for your approval and to get the process started to be able to approve the guidelines and the application that has been prepared. And I want to thank David herrera from marketing putting this together in its form. It is a pdf that's -- that also can be filled out online and then printed out already preprinted. Very simple application. As you see, that's been prepared through the office of the chairman. It requires a submission with a resum , which is set forth in the guidelines. As part of your motion, I would ask that you direct the clerk to advertise and post it. Just so the public knows, even though the application may be available for download in the next couple of days, according to the guidelines, the clerk will not accept any applications until the vacancy actually exists.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:30AM Which is November 3.

Lynn Hurtak

11:28:32AM November 3 at 9 a.m. I'll make a motion to approve the guidelines and the application and direct the clerk to provide notice.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:48AM And post.

Lynn Hurtak

11:28:49AM And post.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:50AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. I have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Your body is not even cold yet.

Luis Viera

11:29:03AM I know. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

11:29:07AM I was anticipating somebody else being here. I guess we'll go. We'll stay on schedule.

Luis Viera

11:29:21AM By virtue of some people in the audience, something is up.

Alan Clendenin

11:29:31AM Are people waiting to get through security? For those of you that don't know, we're getting rid of baggage today. This is Councilman Viera's last official council Day. We are sad to see him go. A lot of his friends are sad to see him go. I would like to ask cttv to cue the video of a lot of his friends. Thank you. You are a SMART, caring, and outgoing public servant for your Tampa neighbors. Thank you. As you bring your service on the Tampa City Council to a close, we want to take a moment to reflect on your remarkable impact. Over the last decade, you have consistently put people and public safety first, while never losing sight of the quiet, hardworking champions in our community who so often go unnoticed. You've made it a priority to lift up others and celebrate their contributions. Well, today, we take a moment to celebrate you -- your tremendous record of service, your leadership, and the lasting difference you've made in the lives of Tampa residents, veterans, first responders, police and fire, those with special needs, and those in need. Plus, the expansion of the New Tampa Recreation Center, the construction of three new fire stations, your work toward a public safety master plan, passage of the apprenticeship and Returning Citizens ordinances, flooding assistance for hurricane helene and milton victims. You secured $20 million in funding for parks in New Tampa. By the end of your term, which includes the harrison boonstoppel all abilities park. Creation of the City of Tampa's Michael phillips all abilities internship program, and equal justice initiative marker established along the riverwalk. You served as chairman of HART for three terms and championed the 2019 warrior games held right here in Tampa. Most importantly, you've done all this while raising your wonderful son. A role and accomplishment I know means more to you than anything else. Your lasting impact on the people of Tampa will be felt for generations to come, and we know you are just getting started. Love you, Luis and keep up the good work. It's Mayor Jane. Luis, this one is for you. For nearly a decade, you served district 7 with a heart and real commitment to the people of Tampa. Whether it was standing up for veterans and working families or championing our special needs community, you always made sure people had a voice. Public safety is -- has always been personal for both of us. You were a strong advocate for giving our police officers and firefighters the tools they need to do their jobs and to keep Tampa safe. You also leave behind a legacy through the city's first all abilities park and our special needs internship program. It will continue to make a difference for years to come. It's been a pleasure working with you, and even better getting to call you my friend. Tallahassee is getting a good one. Congratulations on this next chapter representing district 67. Go make Tampa proud, Luis. Council. Some of my fondest memories are working with you on the equal justice initiative to get the lynching marker and everything you have done for Tampa parks. Millions of dollars, thank you for everything you have done. Thank you for your ten years of service as a city councilman here in our city. Your constituents are going to miss You so much because your involvement in so many activities in the City of Tampa. Congratulations as you move forward in your new role. I'm certainly going to miss You as a partner as we did one project together, and that was helping our inmates as we partner together to make a difference in our community. Thank you for your service. Congratulations on ten years on the Tampa City Council. You have done an amazing job and take it from one who knows, it is hard work, and it can be very difficult at times, but you have always handled it with great grace and class. And that is something that all of us appreciate. You're going to do an amazing job in the Florida house of representatives. And all of us look forward to working with you in your new capacity to make our community better. Colleague, Councilman Luis Viera. I can't tell you how much it's meant to me to be able to serve next to you on the dais, really for the last couple of years. You've been an inspiration. You always stood up for folks who can't stand up for themselves. You fought for our first responders, you fight for folks with disabilities, you fight for folks in district 7 like nobody else could. I'm really looking forward to the next chapter in your life, going back to tallahassee and fighting for all of us in the State of Florida. Thank you again for your service to the City of Tampa and we look forward to cheering you on in tallahassee. Unabashed support for the route 1 pilot program and increased frequency we've done every year since. He was a champion from the get-go and also really supports all of parks. He supports the workers, the riders, the staff. It's really something to see. I can't believe that ten years have passed. It's gone by in the blink of an eye. I enjoyed working with you on the City Council, serving alongside you. I know you have a deep love and deep passion for the city and for your district. You have always gone above and beyond for your constituents and this community as a whole. I'll miss Working with you. I've enjoyed it. But I wish you the best moving forward. I know you'll continue doing great things, and this is just the beginning. This is Councilwoman Naya Young for district 5. It has been amazing to watch. He is such a strong advocate for our firefighters, for persons with disabilities and programs for young adults and recognizing the community and giving commendations. Hopefully I'm going to see if I can break his record. Thank you for all that you have done for the community and for serving. I've really enjoyed working with City Council members in district 7, Luis Viera. He bites into something, he mauls on it, because he is the leader of the famous fire and Police Department City of Tampa, one of the best five police departments in the whole country. And Luis Viera as chairman led the charge. He was a chairman that got things done. For instance, every time came this forward, he got excited about New Tampa and the fire station and the fire station and the fire station. Evidently they have built some great ones there. I want to thank Luis Viera from the bottom of my heart and the citizens of the City of Tampa for what he's done to make the City of Tampa safer. Much, much safer. Thank you, Luis. Bob buckhorn. I just wanted to join in here amongst your many friends to wish you all the best as you head to tallahassee, or as you say, the Alaska of the State of Florida. To quote Bruce springsteen, the land of hope and dreams or maybe it's where hope and dreams go to die. Anyway, brother, you've had a great run here. I've enjoyed serving with you. We had a really, really productive eight years, and I am honored to be your friend. I am happy that you are going to be representing us in tallahassee. I am fully confident that we will have in our first year in the legislature at least 20 new fire stations funded by the State of Florida. I know you're excited about going to tallahassee and to representing Tampa and the entire state because instead of just a few hundred thousand streets in Tampa, you now have millions of streets that you can rename for random people. Proud of you. Let's go do this. I'm glad to have an ally and fighter in tallahassee on Tampa's behalf. Congrats, my friend. Old writing letters to the editor of the old Tampa tribune. I thought, whoa, these are thoughtful, compassionate words. I was a state legislator then. I thought to myself, this guy needs to run for office. And sure enough, 30 years later, Luis Viera is exactly the servant leader that I expected and we all expect in all our elected officials. He listens. He learns, and he leads. We need a hundred Luis vieras in tallahassee and Washington. Has dedicated ten years to serving us on City Council, serving not only as the chairman of City Council, but also on other important commitments to the city. He has certainly improved the quality of life in Tampa. We owe him much. He certainly is a minister of public service. [ applause ]

11:41:35AM I'm waiting for the tears. Now it's my privilege to introduce the mayor of the great City of Tampa, Jane Castor. [ applause ]

Mayor Castor

11:41:48AM Thank you. Thank you, Chairman Clendenin and good afternoon to council. Luis, I hope you were surprised. I don't think there's anything that surprises you. But I hope that you were surprised. To see everyone that is here right now to honor the service that you have provided for our city and now are going to continue to provide up in tallahassee, we want to say thank you. On the recorded messages, there was great detail about all of the things you have accomplished, but I think the consistent themes were that you are a servant of all the people. You understand. You listen, and you represent everyone equally. I think that that is a great characteristic to have. And the values that you have as an individual are much appreciated. One of the things I'll tell you that I'm out on is replacing you in karaoke. Because I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, although some of you guys can't either, but I don't want to get too personal on that.

Alan Clendenin

11:43:02AM Hey, why would you look at me?

Mayor Castor

11:43:05AM No, I just said. I just said. I didn't make eye contact with anybody. I love the way that you are able to communicate as well. Not only in speaking with people and listening more than you talk, but also in the written word, and always entertaining as well with using the lines from songs and so forth. But one of the characteristics that is the most touching for me about individuals, and I've seen it in you every single day, and that is an individual who is a good dad or a good mom. I have seen you as your son has grown through the years, and you are an incredible father to your son. And that speaks volumes about an individual. Thank you for all that you have done. I want to take the opportunity to speak on behalf of the entire community. We owe you a debt of gratitude for all that you have done. As was said, a little razzing about your street namings, well, we couldn't let this moment pass by without having a street sign of your own. [ applause ] here we go. Not just a street sign, but maybe a little advice. Maybe we should do it the Luis Viera way.

Luis Viera

11:44:39AM Thank you.

Mayor Castor

11:44:40AM Mayor you are most welcome. Thank you. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

11:45:00AM I think you should do a pose for the cameras over here.

11:45:21AM He notices the tv cameras. Watch the social media. He knows a camera. For those of you that don't know, Councilman Viera has been the chair of our public safety committee. As was said in many of those videos, he's been such an outspoken advocate for public safety, the workers and our fire and rescue department as well as our police and safety officers. I would like to have an opportunity for those folks to come up and give a few remarks. Representatives from 754, firefighters union, could you come up, please? Please introduce yourself. Thank you for the honor to be here and to speak on behalf of recognizing Councilman Luis Viera. I am nick stocco, the president of iff Tampa firefighters Local 754. For nearly a decade, prior to that decade when Luis was born in the basement of our union hall -- [ laughter ] -- he has always been a supporter of firefighters and Tampa firefighters and all firefighters. There are people of service, and Luis Viera is that person of service. Luis, you have been an outstanding elected official, representative, chairman of public safety for the Tampa firefighters. Those members that are elected into office can say that they support public safety, and there are few that actually do. And you do just that. Through all of your videos, we've seen it, and it's been proven through all of your votes and voices. Through the countless holidays that you've spent your time in the second home at a fire station sitting next to firefighters while breaking a doughnut or sharing the t-shirt that you wore that day, while most people wish they were with their family on holidays, you came to us and spent time with our family and our fire stations. We truly appreciate each and everything you've done. You've been monumental in various items throughout your ten years. I'm just thankful and honored to be here and say thank you for everything that you've done for the firefighters. Most importantly, you've been a great friend. I remember our countless phone calls, whether they be late at night or early in the morning, and you truly are a great person. So thank you, buddy. We don't have a street sign, but we do have, while you make your way to tallahassee, we know you are a man of office and that you would like some new office decorations. We do have some things to present you. [ applause ]

Luis Viera

11:48:26AM Thank you.

11:48:32AM This is great. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

11:49:00AM Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, walter. Introduce yourself. Tampa firefighters charity fund President Alex canasi, alongside with executive board member wes stephens, treasurer Jace Kohan, and my vice President Matt Kohan. I'm going to relinquish the mike today because a very dear and old friend of yours who is on our board has some special things to say, and no one could say it better than him.

11:49:32AM Start with your name. I'm here representing Tampa firefighters charity. Also, I'm president of the Luis Viera fan club. [ laughter ] man, I remember when it all began. I was representing the union at the time, and we had many conversations. I knew this was going to be good for the City of Tampa and the firefighters. I could just tell the passion in his heart. It's never left. So we want to thank you for your support, the support of the charity fund that runs camp hopetake, pediatric burn survivor camp. He was always there every year for the camp. He's always been there for the 5k race. What year did you win the race, Luis?

Luis Viera

11:50:22AM Oh, hell no. I can't even compete. Marathon runner isn't one of them. Luis, thank you. I know you'll do a great job in tallahassee. We have something for you. You'll need a big wall there. Good company going up alongside. Proud to give that to you, sir. I do have one request. Maybe a parking spot on Luis Viera way since you are leaving town. [ laughter ] god bless you. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

11:51:19AM Thank you very much. Our brothers and sisters from the pba would like to acknowledge you. I had all these words written out. It was a long speech. A lot to brag about with Luis Viera. I'll condense it down very short. Not only is he a great politician, not only does he represent the City of Tampa well, he is a tremendous resource to first responders. Both police and fire. I purposely did not bring your plaque. I wanted to make sure that our plaque was larger than the fire plaque. [ laughter ] now that we know the size, we'll have it take up the whole wall. Seriously, thank you for your time. Appreciate you. [ applause ]

11:52:53AM Council, anybody want to say words? Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:52:59AM I know we did our video, this is Luis Viera moment.

Alan Clendenin

11:53:06AM Sit in your chair. You don't have many times left.

Guido Maniscalco

11:53:10AM I know we did our video and gave some brief comments, but I can't believe it's been ten years. I have a whole photo gallery of all of our good moments and funny times and funny photos together. But I've really enjoyed working with you. I'm really proud of you because, I mean, you know, when you go to tallahassee, you'll continue to do great things. I'm going to miss You. You are just a good guy. When I say I'm the nicest person in Tampa not named Luis Viera, I always defer to you. Clearly from the people that are here, the unions have spoken, the people in the video have spoken. You have done a hell of a job in Tampa, and you've made your mark. You are in the history books, and you will always be remembered as a champion for people without a voice, people of public safety, the neighborhoods, you know, with the storm damage from two years ago. You are just a great guy. The mayor said it, you are a wonderful father. That's what I admire most about you, as busy as you are -- even my father says it and I've told you this -- why can't you be more like Viera? [ laughter ] I go, the guy doesn't stop. He doesn't stop. He's everywhere. But you always put your son first. You have a great son. And that's most important. You don't forget family. That's it. We're going to miss You. It will be weird looking that direction and not seeing -- no offense to anybody, but, and there are a lot of people running and we have the appointments. There will never be someone of your caliber to represent that district. You have gone above and beyond. Thank you very much. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

11:54:57AM I see Brandon in the audience. Brandon, would you like to say something? This is Councilman Viera's long -- outside of our jurisdiction was not a response that we would be undertaking. Luis is everywhere doing everything for everyone. The room is packed today because there's so much love for you and the work you have done for the last ten years. Pleasure to be a part of it. True honor and just going to miss You here and excited for what's to come. [ applause ]

11:55:36AM I'll close it out. Councilman Viera, I consider you a dear friend. You are a role model. You are exceptional at the job of obviously being a father as I've witnessed that as well. I have the privilege of knowing your son. You are an exceptional member of Tampa City Council. I know you'll be an exceptional member of the legislature. I think that you probably need to seek some mental health because you decided to go up there. For the life of me, I don't know why anybody would volunteer to do that, but there you go. I hope you are able to accomplish all of your goals and fight for folks again that can't fight for themselves in tallahassee. We need more Luis vieras in tallahassee. I'm proud that you are going to go up there and take on that champion. I was wondering, before we send everybody downstairs, could you close us out with a song? [ laughter ] baby I was born to run.

Charlie Miranda

11:56:41AM Thank you. I haven't spoken much. I'm usually the humorous guy. Yesterday I was really nervous when I got a call from the white house. It scared the hell out of me. I said, what have I done? When I answered the phone, they said are you Charlie Miranda? I said yes, sir. Said, do you know Luis Viera, I said yes, sir. He said, well, we have a problem and we're going to solve it for you. We do tree studies in the city from University of South Florida and we pay for it, they do the trees and tell us how many trees need to be planted. They said is it true that he's leaving? I said, yes, I think tomorrow is his last day. He said, well, let me tell you something, Mr. Miranda, by him leaving saved me 22,000,712 trees. They called you too? [ laughter ] I said, what is that about? He said, we figured out the amount of commendations he's given out, your tree canopy will be solved in three months. You'll have more trees than we ever counted in any city because they gave out 22,000,912 commendations when he was here, and each one was made in wood. Luis, I want to thank you for solving our tree issue in the city. I had the honor of sitting close to you. And Ms. Henderson for that short time she was with us. I really enjoyed you. God bless you and your family. I know your heart is bigger than your body. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

11:58:11AM So now I would like to invite everyone down to the second floor for a celebration of Councilman Viera. If you have any grievances, you can line up and express those.

Luis Viera

11:58:25AM If I may, I started seeing people like Jace and Carlos, one of our great hero cops, Hillsborough county, I have to be careful because I'll start crying. I wanted to thank everybody on Tampa City Council. Councilman Miranda, Councilman Maniscalco, Councilwoman Hurtak, Chairman Clendenin, Chairwoman Young for being in that video. All of you all. I could say great things about all of you all. Councilman Miranda, just an honor to serve with you. You are a freakin' legend. You really are. I know you are humble. You are a freakin' legend. We shared special moments, especially in the last year. And Guido Maniscalco, you're just a hell of a good guy. Good person. You are a good dad, great husband. Great son, great siblings. You are a good roman catholic, a good person. I mean it, you are a good person. All the people dealing with the world of folks of disabilities that you champion that because you are amazing. Councilwoman Hurtak, I always say this about you. Bruce springsteen when they told you to sit down, you stood up. And you do that all the time. You always stand up for what you believe in and never -- mentioned route 1, that is a big deal. That's one of the legacy things. You are a tremendous fighter. You really have my admiration. Chairman Clendenin, you are just a gentleman. Good person. Champion of working people. You are a great father. Good person. Honored to call you a friend. Love you. I mean it. Councilwoman Young, you are a lovely soul. You have a big heart. You are wonderful. You are a good person, and you have an amazing career in public service. I hear people talk about you one day, 10, 20 years, Mayor Young, congresswoman young, whatever it is, you have a big deal ahead of you because you have a big heart. Councilman Carlson is not here, of course, and he is a fervent champion for the things he believes in and pushes for, we salute his service and so forth. And Mayor Jane Castor, just an honor serving with you. I mean that. You are a good woman. You always champion public safety. The biggest thing I love about you is, is that you are humble and nothing fazes you. You are like, dude, I served as a cop for 30 years. You are amazing. Public servants, state senator elect fentrice driskell. I've known you 15 years. Back to the days of the Hispanic bar association. Look at what we're doing. I love to you death. You're amazing. A wonderful person. Just a great Florida leader and county commissioner myers and cohen I know I saw here. Former Tampa city councilman and city attorney and county attorney chip fletcher who is here. Judge ej Salcines, words can't say how much I admire you as a Hispanic attorney, you are our George Washington, and you know that. The fact what we'll do on 27th with baldomero -- [speaking spanish] -- and for my friends in police and fire, I love you guys a lot. For me, it's always from the heart for you all. You all are the best. You all really are. I'll end this by saying if I may for this office's success would have never happened without the heart of this office for eight years. A woman who is an amazing person. She is my sister. She is an amazing person, amazing tampania, wonderful wife, wonderful mother, very decent person, Brandon let's give a round of applause. [ applause ] Brandon knows me too well. She knows I am a good person but a little crazy. I could talk a lot more, but I shan't say anything else. People of exceptional integrity. The first black officer in the united states to become a general. That's it. That's a big deal. Just everybody who is here. I could talk a lot.

Alan Clendenin

12:02:55PM We're going downstairs. You have a lot of time to talk. Second floor, everybody come downstairs. [ sounding gavel ] we will be back at 1:00. [Lunch recess]

1:04:34PM I would like to call this meeting of Tampa City Council to order. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

1:04:39PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

1:04:40PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

1:04:40PM Here. Viera? Carlson? Clendenin?

Alan Clendenin

1:04:46PM Here.

The clerk

1:04:47PM We have a physical quorum. Thank you. Yes, sir. We're doing 87, 88, 89 together. I have with me tim shriver from peregrine to talk about this contract. Peregrine is basically a common operating picture to allow us some efficiencies with our personnel and calls for service and our crime. We are looking to integrate those three things that are already existing data sets into one platform where our commanders and our supervisors can see it all at one time in real time and make decisions on deployments. It will be handy for things like Halloween events that are coming up, gasparilla in January, some of the large-scale events to that nature. Mr. Shriver can speak a little bit more about the access controls and the audit trails that come along with that system. But we are looking at a 14-month contract starting in November of 2026 and ending in January of 2028.

Alan Clendenin

1:05:43PM Anything else you would like to present on the issue?

1:05:50PM Anybody have questions? We don't have public comment during this period of time. For clarification for the record, make sure I understand it correctly. So the program is not taking in any additional information. It is just basically a software application that is able to bring in data that currently exists into one program. We currently use oracle for personnel management. We have our axon body worn cameras going into it and records management system, which is the police calls for service and the crime reports. They will integrate those into one platform where you can see them all at one time.

1:06:28PM And no further integration to like additional cameras or anything? Any additional would cost additional monies that we're not prepared to handle.

Lynn Hurtak

1:06:38PM I spoke to you a little bit about this this morning. I'm still very concerned that the whole purpose when this went through procurement was for you to ask to be able to be connected with the systems that go across the state. I know you said that we can opt out of that and keep it internal, but what I'm hearing from the public is they are concerned that's not going to happen. I can't support this going forward, but just because I have to listen to the public that's very concerned about this, yeah, that's all.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:16PM Any other questions?

Charlie Miranda

1:07:20PM Wait until we get another member.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:21PM We probably need to get Councilman Viera up here.

Lynn Hurtak

1:07:26PM He'll be another hour. There's five.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:33PM Is that it? No other questions? Okay. I need a motion to approve resolutions 87, 88, 89. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

1:07:49PM Nay.

The clerk

1:07:51PM Motion carried with Hurtak voting no. Viera being absent at vote and Carlson absent.

Alan Clendenin

1:07:56PM Thank you. Very good.

1:08:02PM The next one is Councilman Viera's.

1:08:19PM Junior, can we find Councilman Viera and compel him -- under chair's order, he is compelled to return to council chambers. When he gets back, we can go straight to number 90.

1:08:39PM No. you are out of order. [ sounding gavel ] I know -- I'll give you some deference. What happens, for public comment prior to meetings in the morning, if you're speaking to on-agenda items, there is an opportunity to sign up and register for on-agenda items. Then we also have an opportunity, you sign up that you can speak to off-agenda items prior to lunch. And then there are opportunities during public hearings that people have an opportunity to speak. But other than that those are the only opportunities you have to speak. After lunch --

1:09:18PM I'm sorry. [ sounding gavel ] I'm sorry, sir. You're out of order. Soldier that stands by their oath you are at war with. You can tell the police chief that. Every soldier in the united states, the truth is to stand by their oath, you just committed crimes against this nation --

1:09:40PM I'm sorry.

1:10:09PM I didn't anticipate those three items to be that quick. We could sing. Ms. Kopesky could sing for us. Mr. Perry, if you are listening, would you mosey on up to City Council Chambers.

Martin Shelby

1:10:38PM For 90?

Lynn Hurtak

1:10:40PM Yes.

Martin Shelby

1:10:48PM Mr. Chairman, for purposes of the agenda, could you tell us which items you are Planning?

Alan Clendenin

1:10:53PM We're waiting for 1:30 to do the time certain and 1:30 public hearings. Right now, only outstanding items, item 90 and 96.

Martin Shelby

1:11:09PM 95?

Alan Clendenin

1:11:15PM Here we go. Thank you, Councilman Viera. Why don't we switch to your item 96.

Luis Viera

1:11:32PM This is the pool. We have Ms. Pancho here, if I may. Commissioner cohen and I did a community meeting to talk about the high incidence of people with autism and intellectual disabilities having drowning deaths. We tried to convene a meeting to talk about ways to lower that number. Ms. Pancho Has a number of issues here. I would ask council to continue with this so we can have continued dialogue. Thank you so much for the opportunity to be able to share information on the drowning prevention workshop that was held earlier this month.

Alan Clendenin

1:12:21PM State your name.

1:12:26PM Start with your name. Coordinator for the City of Tampa. I want to thank Tampa City Council, Mayor Castor, chief of staff John Bennett and city administrators and all City staff for your diligence and always making sure that we're addressing our community members' needs who have disabilities. Basically, during this town hall, several things were brought up by family members and community advocates. Basically, families and caregivers of individuals and adults with autism have discussed that basically families aren't aware of the various amount of resources that are readily available to them. There is a tremendous amount of resources that are low cost and available, but many times they are not aware. So they don't hear this information from their physicians on drowning prevention. They are not quite aware of the great opportunities with local law enforcement for tracking devices in case of incidences that their loved ones. What they asked for was frequent communications throughout multiple channels to educate them on the various resources that are available. For example, pediatricians, teachers, government staff should be frequently having these conversations with the families about the various resources that are available. They also recommended offering parent support and caregiver support groups so that there could be networking opportunities so they may be able to learn from each other about the different resources. So some very specific drowning prevention requests that were made during this town hall was the consideration of barriers around any type of open water. We have pools, but pools typically have fencing requirements, barrier requirements around them. But there aren't requirements specifically for the open waters, our ponds, our lakes and such. That's where a lot of the drownings of individuals with autism have occurred. We want to make sure that we make available affordable door locks and pool alarms for community members to be able to readily access. They recommended self-rescue swim lessons because that's the key thing, not only basic swim lessons but swim lessons early on. Affordable swim lessons as well. I had conversations with parks and rec, and they have now registered 15 parks and rec team members with a program that's being offered by the center for autism related disabilities. The ernie ells game on autism aquatics program. It is an evidence-based training for teaching swim and water safety for individuals with autism. So I'm really excited that parks and rec actually has registered 15 team members to take those classes and hopefully we can start offering those in the community. They also recommended that mandatory curriculum should involve swim safety in the school systems as well. Lastly, they also asked for more cpr trainings as well. Parents have shared during this town hall that they are oftentimes overwhelmed with everything with their lives, with children, school, work responsibilities and such, therapies. So the more frequent that opportunities are for swim lessons, they would really benefit from those. Again, just constant reminders about the various resources that are readily available for them.

1:16:15PM Councilman Viera, do you want to say something?

Luis Viera

1:16:26PM Thank you. I did want to mention that dawn Henderson was there, was the grandmother of the late josiah who had drowned young, kindergarten with autism. So tragic. He drowned out in the county. I just wanted to say her name and speak his name. God bless them and god bless his memory. I know he was being raised by a single father. It's awful. What I'm looking at -- I'm looking at a note -- I apologize -- that's relevant to this. I do know that Commissioner Harry cohen has made a motion for this issue at the county commission, jumping on this. What I think we should do, and you put in a lot of different things and we talked about things like if our health insurance or wellness plans could include as a benefit for employees with children with disabilities or with differently abled, et cetera, swimming lessons and so forth, just things to think about. What I would suggest is to have my friend, Councilman Maniscalco who is personally touched by this with his wonderful daughter, perhaps make a motion on it to come back perhaps autism awareness month, which I think is April. I should know that. Thank you, Ms. Pancho, You're wonderful.

Alan Clendenin

1:17:45PM Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

1:17:46PM Thank you very much for bringing this up because it's so important. One of the things that terrifies me because my daughter who is 14. She happens -- she's severe when you look at the spectrum and everything. And she loves the water. With my wife and her dad, we made sure to get her swimming lessons, regardless. She's very good in the pool. Regardless, we monitor her 24/7. If she's in the pool, I'm there with her. She loves being in the bath. I call her a little mermaid because she loves the water. Somebody has to be there at all times. Can she handle it? Yes. But we've heard too many stories. It's difficult for parents because there's single parent homes. Maybe there's two parents. But like you said, they are dealing with life and then you are a caregiver 24/7. For example, she was awake this morning at about 2:30 and yesterday at 2:30 and I've been awake at 2:30 because you've got to monitor these kids. You mentioned a lot of stuff. Door locks and pool alarms. These kids will wake up in the middle of the night. They elope is what they call it. Open a window, open a door. We have dead bolts. I make sure she doesn't see me turn the key because she'll learn how to do stuff. Swimming lessons are so important. We've done that. Mandatory curriculum at schools. As much as we can and cpr training. I worry about choking, and I worry about in the situation when there is a child or anybody that has drowned or there is a situation when you need paramedics, when seconds count, they are minutes away. Councilman Viera, you suggested about making a motion, what, for an update to come back in April?

Luis Viera

1:19:45PM Yes, sir. I'll leave it to your wisdom and obviously whitney and Valerie are so lucky to have you in their lives and god bless you for that. I would say a motion to come back on these ideas including, number one, working with them. It is going to require working with the county and the city. And including looking at our wellness plans for the City of Tampa and seeing what we can do to provide swimming lessons free for families.

Guido Maniscalco

1:20:12PM We have our next regular meeting November 5. Commissioner cohen I know is working on stuff at the county. I want to get more information and then I'll reach out to you. Again, we see too many terrible stories in the news. I can't even read them anymore. We have to do what we can from our perspective in helping and help prepare anyone to prevent any kind of situation. Thank you very much. Because what you've shared actually was repeated many times that evening. The kids are SMART. One person described that their family member, stacked chairs and books in order to get up to that lock to be able to escape and elope. It is quite a challenge. Appreciate the recognition of that and support for this initiative. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

1:21:05PM Item number 90. Let's knock it out. Item number 90. Staff, anybody want to present something on this? Mr. Scott Steady, would you like to explain what 90 actually does?

Scott Steady

1:21:35PM I just walked in. Chairman and members of City Council, Scott Steady, city attorney. Number 90 definitely relates to the rays. What I want to emphasize is truly what this issue is, it deals with the $80 million obligation that the city currently has. The appropriate action that we need to take, because we have that obligation is to take it to the court and validate to confirm that it's legal and authorized. That's the important issue that you are faced with. Typically, this is a straightforward action, but I recognize it relates to the rays. Associated with the desire to validate the $80 million obligation, we are seeking to validate any debt that may be associated with that 80 million. You may recall when we talked about this deal, the CFO discussed it may be advantageous for that four payments, remember, it's 20 million, total of 80 million, that it may be advantageous to take out some debt. This resolution does not obligate you to issue debt. It simply asks the court that if the city issues debt associated with that 80 million, that it's warranted and authorized. So from my standpoint from the city attorney, I'm looking at this as our obligation of 80 million. Separate apart what it's related to. I strongly recommend that we approve the resolution to go to court to validate the $80 million. Now, some people probably don't want me to say this publicly, but understand that also creates a forum for people -- actually, anyone in Florida, to come in and contest it. It's a court action, but it also allows someone to come in and say, okay, I think there are reasons the $80 million is not authorized. From my perspective, however you're looking at this, this is an appropriate action for City Council to take today.

Alan Clendenin

1:23:49PM Thank you, Mr. Steady. Councilman Viera and then Councilman Miranda.

Luis Viera

1:23:52PM Mr. Steady, thank you for that. I do not want to put words in your mouth. What you're telling me today is this vote doesn't necessarily go to the merits of our position on the rays. It's rather a procedural pass-through that if somebody supports it, would not go to the merits of the deal that we voted on a couple of weeks ago, is that correct?

Scott Steady

1:24:12PM Correct.

Luis Viera

1:24:13PM Thank you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

1:24:14PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

1:24:14PM Let me say this, I coincidentally spoke to the gentleman, and I gave him something this morning to read. I had a friend that I asked to look at something. Here's what he said to me. When I started breaking down this, I quickly realized it was going to take more than what would fit into a 99 item agenda review. Item 90 is where the rubber meets the road and funding the rays as the city moves forward with the intention to borrow 80 million throughout -- throughout non-ad valorem Bonds. While the signed agreement says the city's share of the stadium district property taxes will repay it, the bond resolution says property taxes cannot pay the Bonds. Depending on how the surrounding mixed use development, it may never cover the cost. That's one. Two, item 90 authorizes up to 80 million in non-ad valorem revenue Bonds for the city stadium contribution. The signed agreement says the city's share of the stadium district property taxes will repay it. The bond resolution says property taxes cannot pay the Bonds.

Scott Steady

1:25:28PM Right. I appreciate you sharing that earlier so I can give the answer. Obviously a complex deal with the rays. What we're talking about primarily today -- we are talking about is in our funding agreement with the rays, again, as you know, we committed $80 million over four years. That bond that we're talking about in the resolution, the only source is non-ad valorem taxes. That's what we're talking about with this resolution. On the other hand, remember, regarding the home rule TIF and I'm working on that in my office like today. Part of the deal is they are going to create a community development district over the project, which would be also over that private mixed use development. We're going to put a home rule TIF on there, which we're going to share with the cdd, some of that TIF with the county and the city is going to the cdd to pay for improvements. The other part is coming back to the city. So you're correct. The TIF, which is ad valorem, is coming back to the city. But that's not to pay the Bonds. That is simply a mechanism to recoup all or some of the 80 million. So I don't want to confuse too much of it. Let me restate it. What the Bonds that would be validated here today, when we go to court, that would be non-ad valorem, clearly. Can't be ad valorem. The TIF money would be ad valorem, but it's recouping it. It's not going to be security for the Bonds. So that's the difference, councilman. And that's how it was portrayed when you approved it. It gets kind of confusing, I understand, but they are two different things. The $80 million can be secured with debt, but it would be non-ad valorem over here as part of the deal, the TIF that's going to be created, and, by the way, that was negotiated, portion of it is going to go to the project. The other portion will come back to the city to recoup but not pay the debt. I know it's a little confusing, but that's the answer. Please, Dennis.

Dennis Rogero

1:27:57PM Good afternoon, council. Dennis Rogero, chief financial officer. Thank you, sir, Mr. Steady, for that. Again, to level-set and provide what I think is complete clarity, in government finance you have to differentiate what is being pledged to secure the money and what you're paying, for the source that you're paying. What a non-ad valorem issuance means is creditors, if something bad happens, can't compel the mayor and City Council to raise property taxes to pay the debt. That requires a referendum, called a general obligation bond. This protects the city while still providing a very, very strong credit. We're pledging non-ad valorem. Non-ad valorem is General Fund. But it's separate and apart, as Mr. Steady was saying, separate and apart from property tax ad valorem. So legally and financially, have to separate the two. What are we using to secure it? And what are we using to pay it? I'll give you an example that we've done in the past. You'll recall we had outstanding debt on the Convention Center, and we pledged non-ad valorem debt because of the strong credit. We didn't pay for it from non-ad valorem. Again, General Fund. We paid for it from the CRA and from the tourism development tax. So two separate mechanisms. You secure the debt and then you pay the debt. I hope that helps.

Charlie Miranda

1:29:26PM Maybe that's the problem. Two different things saying different things. However in my mind, the way I look at it, when it says the district property taxes to repay it, the bond resolution should cover the taxes of that area. What happens if the development does not produce the revenue to cover the costs? And that's a possibility in anything. You could start building a house and borrow money and you find out that you are half a million dollars short because you extended the house and want to do something else with it and now you can't pay it. I'm using my knowledge of basic math. If I buy a house for 200,000 and I buy a lot for 300,000, I have half a million. But if the house costs me 600,000, I don't have the money to pay it back. I only have 500,000, not 600,000. This could happen here.

Dennis Rogero

1:30:16PM It could, sir. It is not without risk. But, again, I'll give you another example.

Charlie Miranda

1:30:21PM The risk is only to the city, not to them. The way it's written. Why don't we share it?

Dennis Rogero

1:30:28PM Again, to provide what I hope to be a full picture --

Charlie Miranda

1:30:31PM I understand that. I'm not debating you. I'm saying protect the public. They certainly have individuals who have billions of dollars so they say. Maybe they should cosign the note to make sure our taxpayers are covered. That's all I want.

Dennis Rogero

1:30:44PM Reiterate for the council and the public, the property tax revenue is not the whole of our General Fund revenue, as council knows. It's about half the General Fund revenue. If there are ample other General Fund non-ad valorem sources, state shared revenue, half-cent sales tax, charges for services, et cetera. So I just don't want council nor the public to confuse property tax with General Fund completely.

Guido Maniscalco

1:31:11PM In regards to the $80 million, which we talked about, it's over four years, does this have the terms laid out where -- and I mentioned this the last time this came up -- regarding who pays the interest? Is this included in that? Because if I recall, it was four payments of $20 million and we pay the interest. Basically, we're giving zero percent, offering zero percent financing.

Dennis Rogero

1:31:36PM That remains correct. It is the city's obligation to pay interest. Again this simply validates the purpose of the contribution and if council decides to issue debt, the use of the debt.

Guido Maniscalco

1:31:48PM Another question is, we don't have a full council today and knowing how this is a big issue regardless if this is just a pass-through, formality or whatever, what if there is a tie vote? What happens? Councilman Viera, as we know, is leaving. What happens? Because November 5 is the next regular vote or regular meeting. The seat is vacant and then it becomes six council members. Is there a special call? It goes to the night meeting next Thursday? What happens? Considering the circumstances.

Scott Steady

1:32:26PM That's a reality we've been talking about internally. That's the reality of the situation, councilman.

Guido Maniscalco

1:32:31PM Where would it continue to if there is a tie vote? Possibility it could be. Would it go to next Thursday night.

Scott Steady

1:32:38PM I'll defer to marty to tell me that.

Martin Shelby

1:32:41PM What your rules state I believe is the next regular meeting. In the event of a tie vote -- well, in the event of a tie vote on a legislative matter, actually, I believe it dies.

Charlie Miranda

1:32:55PM Goes to the next meeting.

Martin Shelby

1:32:57PM Not if -- if it is a quasi-judicial, that might be different. Just give me a minute.

Lynn Hurtak

1:33:04PM Can I ask a question? So I have a few things about it. The thing that bothers me the most is the resolution says we're authorizing the issuance of this bond. It does not say we're sending it to a court. It says we're authorizing the issuance.

Scott Steady

1:33:22PM It would ask the court to authorize if we could issue the Bonds.

Lynn Hurtak

1:33:27PM I understand that. But that's not what this resolution says. That's not what the title says. There's nothing about a court in this title. There's nothing about questions. It just simply says authorizing the issuance of revenue Bonds. That's my first concern is that nowhere in this title of this resolution does it say we're sending it to a court. Scott, if you don't mind.

Scott Steady

1:33:56PM Steve Miller is our bond counsel with the city. Go ahead, Steve. I've been with you all before. I have a conflict today and could not be at the meeting. Just to point out that this resolution again, as Scott has indicated, does not obligate the city to issue any debt at all. It simply gives the city the option in the future, you are already obligated per the agreement that the city has executed to pay the 20 million a year for four years. And all this resolution does is allow the city to go to court, to make sure that this is a lawful authorization, to not only do the 20 million per year per the contract, but if you so decide in the future to borrow money to pay any or all of one of the annual payments, we want to validate to protect the city that it is a lawful use of debt proceeds. In section 703, there is the provision about validation authorized. And it does give the city attorney and bond counsel the authority to institute appropriate proceedings for the validation of these Bonds. So adopting this resolution is a requirement to allow the city to go and seek protection for the city in the event in the future it issues debt. This does not obligate you to issue debt. Clearly in section 201 of the resolution, it indicates that all of the other terms for any debt that goes forward has to be approved by supplemental resolution of the council, that there cannot be Bonds issued just by adoption of this resolution. This is solely being done. You have an obligation to pay 80 million over four years, and this is simply giving you a tool in the toolbox to issue debt for any of those payments if you so decide later, if the council decides. It does nothing more than that. It's trying to give you ultimate flexibility.

Lynn Hurtak

1:36:01PM Thank you. I have other questions. How are we going to pay these Bonds? Which somebody in the public today said and probably right. It's really going to be about 140 million by the time interest is involved. How are we paying that before the TIF kicks in? Say they actually do the development, how are we paying for our debt before then?

Dennis Rogero

1:36:26PM Dennis Rogero, chief financial officer. Yes, it's very likely to be 140. It could be higher. You may enter a scenario where the interest is just as much as the principal. But in answer to your question, it will depend on how City Council chooses to finance this. If we choose to issue debt, again, from a pro forma perspective, 30 years, double it, 150, 160 million, about five, five and a half million dollars of annual debt service. If City Council chooses not to issue debt, we pay it from cash, from the General Fund or provide other alternatives. I guess that's a long way of saying it will all depend on City Council chooses to pay this 80 million over the four years. And you have options. One of which is the issuance of debt, which is why we're attempting to have it validated.

Lynn Hurtak

1:37:21PM My other question was about the average cost per year. You said about $5.5 million. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Dennis Rogero

1:37:26PM Yes, ma'am.

Alan Clendenin

1:37:28PM I haven't spoken yet. I just want to remind council, we have already signed an obligation. So the $80 million is already something we've signed as an agreement between the City of Tampa. We already -- you can shake your head all you like, we have a legal obligation. We'll pay this obligation one way or the other. This is an opportunity that gives us a tool, again, I think as our bond subject matter expert said, a tool in our tool chest to be able to fund -- fund our obligation. If we didn't do that, we would end up having to -- we would end up having to either pay it through general funds or CIT or some other forum. This gives us another option and begins the process. I believe Scott Steady wants to say something.

Scott Steady

1:38:17PM I want to emphasize, I appreciate the bond, what this does, it goes to validate the $80 million that we're obligated to. If we don't do it, we're still obligated.

Alan Clendenin

1:38:29PM That's what I was saying, still obligated.

Scott Steady

1:38:32PM I understand the focus on the debt. Make it clear, the debt is contingent on your approval, but this is where -- I'm going to say it, whether you are for or against the rays, we're in a position right now from the city attorney's standpoint and the city, that we're obligated for the $80 million. It is prudent to validate that 80 million and test and be subject to someone challenging that, frankly, if you want to have somebody challenge it, they'll have an opportunity at the validation hearing. The primary focus of this is to validate the obligation that we currently have to protect the city. Again, I strongly recommend as the city attorney that you approve this, whether you are for or against the rays. I think that SHIP has sailed at least as to the 80 million. I emphasize again, it will expose the 80 million to someone to challenge it. They can come in and say, challenge that 80 million. Again, really want to make sure everyone understands the perspective.

Alan Clendenin

1:39:41PM It is our fiduciary responsibility to be able to have all the options on the table, whether you like or dislike or agreed or disagreed with the previous vote, the city is obligated to do this. As a correction, from Councilman Miranda, you had expressed concern about the rays ownership group and their obligations. Remember, they are paying 63% of the cost of the stadium. 63% and 1.37 billion. Last figures I have. You had said that during your testimony, or during your speech, figures that I have, that was the last figures that I had. Again, this city, we signed an agreement, legally binding agreement that we are obligated for 80 billion -- 80 million, excuse me. That being said, if we fail to finance this, what you would be doing is taking money from other projects including flooding projects and street reconstruction and other projects to pay for this. Council member Viera.

Luis Viera

1:40:52PM Thank you. Mr. Steady, I want to make sure on something. Mr. Steady, if I may, I want to make sure on something because -- and I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'll explain why I'm asking this question. Is it your legal advice as city attorney that we pass this today?

Scott Steady

1:41:12PM Yes, sir.

Luis Viera

1:41:12PM I say this, council, for a reason. Mr. Steady is the city attorney. He is not a member of council. It is not your job to say you should do this because I want the rays or you should do this because I hate the rays or lower taxes higher taxes, medicare for all or get rid of medicare, whatever, it is based upon legal obligations. That you have role as a member of Florida bar, as council for the City of Tampa and so forth. Therefore I cite that because what is before us is not something on the merits of the ballpark that is rather a pass-through that is based upon the advice of council. I wanted to cite that because I think that's important for us to consider on this. That's all. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

1:41:54PM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

1:41:56PM I think you talked about it a little bit. This doesn't obligate the city to issue a bond. It allows for City of Tampa to go to court, i.e., the validation hearing, and say that this is a lawful authorization, correct?

Scott Steady

1:42:11PM Yes, ma'am.

Naya Young

1:42:12PM Could you explain just briefly what that process is like so we go and say, okay, to make this payment, this is -- how does that process work?

Scott Steady

1:42:25PM The court process, basically you file a complaint. We file a complaint, and the complaint actually is against -- I think it is the citizens of the State of Florida. And there are certain notices that go out to tell people that this action is in effect and there is a certain amount of time for them to file. I'm not a validation lawyer, but I've been through one before. But there is an opportunity for citizens or a group to contest. Again, it's basically a public forum within the court system to consider ultimately the judge considers whether after taking facts and anyone intervenes to determine that it's authorized and legal. It's designed to address early on whether something is authorized and legal so that we don't go six months or nine months or a year forward and then someone challenges it or we find out that we can't do something. It's a process to allow the city early on to determine that it's legal and authorized. Basically, again, subjects that are the City Council's approval to someone challenging it. It is an opportunity for somebody to challenge it. That's the intent.

Naya Young

1:43:49PM Do you go one time or each time --

Scott Steady

1:43:53PM It's one action. File one action to validate what we're talking about. Validate the $80 million as in asking the court to issue an order saying the $80 million obligation is legal and authorized, issue an order to say debt that would be issued, if issued for the 80 million is also authorized. It's one time, one case, one order.

Naya Young

1:44:19PM Got it. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

1:44:20PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

1:44:21PM Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. In fact, what I'm looking at, if I remember the whole thing, cdd or whatever they want to call it, that means we were going to collect the interest from -- I'm not talking about the stadium. I'm talking about the complex that they are supposed to build.

Scott Steady

1:44:37PM Right, right.

Charlie Miranda

1:44:38PM About three times the size of midtown or two and a half times the size. Pays 8 million to the city. Let's say 20. Pay us back with own money, half the interest stay with them, supposed to stay in the district. They pay the taxes with the money they collect. In essence, they are not paying the full tax. They'll pay half of what they are supposed to pay because we're going to use the other pay to pay ourselves back on the 80 million. You got to be a dead raccoon to go for that. The problem with that is, we don't have a starting date for the construction of that area. Starting date for the stadium. Never heard them say when they start the other process, build that fantastic place. I hope it goes well for them. Number one. Number two, when is it going to start? When will it finish? When start collecting the tax? Pay interest on $80 million and be getting nothing back for I don't know how many years. Don't build it, don't get anything. Still have to get money to pay the tax. Am I right or not?

Scott Steady

1:45:47PM You said a lot. Two different things. The bottom line, I understand Councilman Miranda you are criticizing the deal.

Charlie Miranda

1:45:59PM No, criticizing the facts, not the deal.

Scott Steady

1:46:02PM The deal -- we agreed to the deal, whether you like it or not, we agreed to the deal. What I'm dealing with, I'll say on this side the $80 million obligation, but you're talking about the other side, which is related, but is not integral to the 80 million. That related issue was creating the TIF, splitting the TIF. You've characterized it a little differently, but you characterized the way you want it, which is not inaccurate. Half of the money, they are going to stay, keep with them, half the ad valorem that otherwise would have come to the city and county, stay with them, and the other half we get that we would have gotten anyway. That is all contingent on the development of the private development, which may or may not happen. We don't know what the date is, and that part of that deal, which you didn't like, that's there. But right now, I'm dealing with the $80 million obligation that we need to value. In my opinion.

Alan Clendenin

1:47:07PM Is there any other discussion? Mr. Shelby, you have a legal point?

Martin Shelby

1:47:11PM I want to clarify council's rules with regard to a 3-3 tie --

Alan Clendenin

1:47:16PM We don't have a 3-3 tie yet.

Martin Shelby

1:47:18PM I want you to know what the process is. What I spoke to is whether it dies. The question is, if it is a motion of council that a council member makes, if it is a 3-3 tie, it dies. If it is an ordinance or resolution, your rule states the following, if a motion to approve, deny or continue an ordinance or a resolution of a legislative matter fails to receive at least 4 votes either in support or opposition, it shall automatically be brought back before the council at the next regular meeting as unfinished business.

Alan Clendenin

1:47:51PM Which would be two weeks. I want to emphasize again, I think Scott, our city Attorney Scott Steady has done a good job of stating this. This is an obligation. The deal is done. It's already signed. This is just about how we accommodate the obligation. We have an $80 million obligation. This is giving us a tool in the tool chest to do it. If we take this tool out of the tool chest, you're going to pay for it with CIT, pay for it with general funds, pay for it some other way. It doesn't mean we still can't do that, but if we take that tool out of the tool vest, it will restrict us from using the option of bonding it if we needed to. This is just putting a tool into the toolbox. I think a fiduciary stewards of this city, I think it would be -- almost a derelict of duty not to put that tool in the toolbox. Any further discussion? I'll call for a vote. Somebody move the resolution. I have a motion to move the resolution from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilwoman Young. Roll call, please.

Lynn Hurtak

1:49:06PM To quote this is still one of those things that is not my responsibility to do, I'm so sorry that you all voted for it and you'll have to figure out how to pay for it. No, not my problem. So I'm voting no.

Naya Young

1:49:23PM Yes.

Luis Viera

1:49:25PM Yes. Miranda?

Charlie Miranda

1:49:28PM Absolutely no.

Guido Maniscalco

1:49:31PM No.

Alan Clendenin

1:49:33PM Yes.

The clerk

1:49:38PM The motion failed due to a tie vote.

Luis Viera

1:49:43PM This then would go to the next regularly scheduled meeting which is after November 2 when I turn into a pumpkin, like I resign. Okay. What I would suggest, council, by the way, to the three that voted, I respect your positions 110%. We have respectful disagreements. God bless you. You are my friends and I love you to death. I suggest we move to have a special call meeting to address this issue before I leave.

Guido Maniscalco

1:50:14PM We don't have a meeting on the last Thursday of this month. The last Thursday of the month there's no meeting. Are the chambers open?

Lynn Hurtak

1:50:20PM I'm out of town because it's a break for us. So, no. I'm not available anytime that week.

Guido Maniscalco

1:50:28PM I am available that day.

Alan Clendenin

1:50:30PM I'm available. I have a motion to add a special call meeting on October 29.

Lynn Hurtak

1:50:36PM I think all of us should be here for that.

Luis Viera

1:50:42PM Councilwoman Hurtak as a courtesy, are you available anytime that week, ma'am?

Lynn Hurtak

1:50:46PM No. I'm out of town. I'm going to see my mother who was just in a car accident.

Luis Viera

1:50:51PM How about November 2? I resign at midnight on November 2.

Lynn Hurtak

1:50:56PM I need to get my phone. Ms. Scharf, if you can bring me my phone for timewise.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:03PM I won't be available during the day. Could be available for nighttime.

Lynn Hurtak

1:51:07PM I can't be available for nighttime.

Luis Viera

1:51:10PM Councilman Carlson is very sick. We get with somebody, somebody call him or his aide, get his calendar and take it up at motion time or whenever we're ready.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:19PM Let's be prepared to have that discussion later on in the meeting.

Lynn Hurtak

1:51:23PM There is a phone somewhere around here that keeps ringing.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:38PM That's out.

Luis Viera

1:51:41PM We have HART that morning but can do it after --

Charlie Miranda

1:51:51PM [Inaudible]

Luis Viera

1:51:54PM This is important, may I? Sebastian, if you don't mind double checking that my resign to run letter is November 2 at midnight.

Martin Shelby

1:52:04PM 11:59.

Luis Viera

1:52:08PM Let's double check it.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:13PM I'm going to suggest the 29th. I understand, Councilwoman Hurtak, but I'm going to suggest the 29th.

Guido Maniscalco

1:52:19PM I'll second the 29th.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:21PM I can't do it the 2nd either. Somebody is not going to be here.

Lynn Hurtak

1:52:28PM That's generally counted as a break week.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:34PM I understand. But we're calling for a special meeting.

Lynn Hurtak

1:52:37PM There's no sense of urgency here. We're going to have a new council member by the 17th.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:42PM You have that time to have that discussion once we do this, once we get a motion and second, we'll have a discussion about it. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

1:52:49PM Your rules, Mr. Chairman, process, rule 4-c states that it shall automatically be brought before the council at the next regular meeting as unfinished business. You can waive the rules. Your amendment states any of the foregoing rules may be temporarily suspended for the meeting then in session by a supermajority vote of five or more council members unless such waiver is in conflict with the city charter or state or local law.

Alan Clendenin

1:53:20PM Can the city put this back on our agenda on a special call meeting? Just have it as a new item again.

Martin Shelby

1:53:27PM Special call meeting? The question is, as it stands now, the rule states that per the clerk as a matter of your rules, it is on the agenda or shall be on the agenda for November 5th as you speak now.

Luis Viera

1:53:47PM If I may, Mr. Shelby, are you telling us by virtue of the fact it was a tie that it automatically goes to the next regularly scheduled meeting and we can't do a special call for it?

Martin Shelby

1:53:58PM Unless you do it by a vote of five. Part of your motion to waive the rules to allow for the special call meeting for that purpose with a vote of five.

Luis Viera

1:54:08PM That is by virtue of it being a tie, correct? If it failed -- strike that. If it's a tie that triggers it going to the next regularly scheduled meeting. What if it failed by somebody voted against it, would that then trigger the next regularly scheduled meeting being on the calendar or can we do a special call meeting?

Martin Shelby

1:54:31PM It would fail.

Luis Viera

1:54:32PM I'm asking this for a reason. If it failed, let's say one of us flipped and said, no, we don't want this and failed. Fails 4-2. Two for it, four against. Could we have it on a special call meeting if it failed?

Martin Shelby

1:54:51PM Special call meeting can be called by council and requires a simple majority vote.

Luis Viera

1:54:56PM Pursuant to that, Mr. Shelby, something in council, walk with me here, where we do a reconsideration of that. One of us flips, vote against it and then do a special call meeting before I leave. Simple majority if it fails. I'm putting you on the spot and I apologize.

Martin Shelby

1:55:17PM Keeps it exciting. It looks like what you can do for a motion to reconsider, under Robert's rules of order, in order to be a motion to reconsider, it has to be a vote, the maker of the motion has to be on the prevailing side, in this case, there is not a prevailing side. You can if somebody agrees to do it by a vote of five.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:46PM Question for you, if we have a special call meeting October 29 -- stop. I'm talking. If we had a special call meeting on October 29 and the city brought a new agenda item, they posted a new agenda item, could we consider the new agenda item?

Martin Shelby

1:56:12PM I can't see why not.

Luis Viera

1:56:16PM As an outside observer, I would suggest, there's nothing worse than lawyering on the fly. Nothing that's anybody here. Perhaps you guys maybe go outside for five minutes to make sure we're all on solid ground.

Martin Shelby

1:56:29PM I certainly would like to do that.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:31PM Councilman Carlson is available October 29, by the way.

Martin Shelby

1:56:41PM The room is available because it is a council Day is that correct?

Alan Clendenin

1:56:45PM I would observe that if we can convince one person that voted against this to vote in favor, we would avoid this entire process. We're going to do a five-minute recess. [ sounding gavel ] [five-minute recess] sorry, Mr. Tinkler.

2:07:36PM I would like to call this meeting of Tampa City Council back to order. Please call the roll.

Charlie Miranda

2:07:40PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

2:07:41PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

2:07:42PM Here.

Naya Young

2:07:43PM Here.

Luis Viera

2:07:43PM Here.

Bill Carlson

2:07:46PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

2:07:47PM Here. Councilman Carlson, you do not look good. Councilman Carlson has logged on to join us on this Tampa City Council meeting. Any objection to Councilman Carlson participating virtually?

Martin Shelby

2:08:04PM By unanimous consent then?

Alan Clendenin

2:08:07PM Yes, unanimous consent. We have a full council of seven now. I would like to recognize, did you want to defer to Mr. Steady?

Luis Viera

2:08:18PM Point of order, don't we have the votes with bill here?

Martin Shelby

2:08:24PM That's what I'm going to explain. I would like to have the gentleman who has the credibility standing in front of me when I say these things. Mr. Steady and I have had the opportunity to confer on this issue. During that time we learned that council member Carlson was able and willing and was going to want to participate in this. Now that he is here, council, you have a long-standing custom that when you have a 3-3 vote or a tie vote and it can be addressed when another council member does participate, you've held items and reheld votes. And that being the case, it's my recommendation now that you have a full council, it would be appropriate now for you to have a motion and vote again on the subject with a full council.

Luis Viera

2:09:15PM So move, if I may.

Alan Clendenin

2:09:16PM I have a motion to move item 90. A second from Councilwoman Young. All those in favor, aye.

Lynn Hurtak

2:09:28PM Nay.

Charlie Miranda

2:09:28PM I was advised that the stadium deal was done. Everything was signed and so forth. Do we have a community benefit deal done? Do we have the stadium lease deal done?

Scott Steady

2:09:38PM We don't have a community --

Charlie Miranda

2:09:40PM We don't have a deal then. That's part of the whole deal, wasn't it?

Scott Steady

2:09:44PM We approved the agreement that has those things coming forward in the future.

Charlie Miranda

2:09:50PM All on their side. We can only wiggle and say we want to be a worm but we can't fly. They can do whatever they want. I mean, the community benefit agreement is not done and the deal for the stadium is still not done.

Scott Steady

2:10:05PM The use agreement is not done. The deal is done. The --

Charlie Miranda

2:10:09PM I'm just saying what the facts are.

Scott Steady

2:10:11PM I'm agreeing with you. The community benefits agreement is not done. The use agreement that's currently being negotiated is not done. The cdd creation is not done. The TIF agreement is not done. There are a lot of things.

Charlie Miranda

2:10:25PM What this vote is about is really the financing of the 80 million so that's not done either until we vote.

Scott Steady

2:10:33PM I'm going to keep it simple. I don't see this as a rays issue. I see we have an $80 million obligation and we need to go and validate this obligation to protect the city. That's my --

Charlie Miranda

2:10:48PM I see it differently. I'm not a lawyer and you are. You have to understand that when the deal is done, go back to my mind, single brain and tell myself, is it really done? How about the community this? Nothing is signed. We don't know if they will pay us back -- we don't have a contract saying when they will start the building, like midtown two or three times larger and that's not done either. Built the stadium, don't have to build the rest. That's my opinion. I'm not a judge.

Bill Carlson

2:11:25PM First, I want to apologize to everyone. I picked up some stomach bug last night and you wouldn't want me in the room. I happened to turn this on and saw this was happening. I figured I would call in. I don't want to get into details unless you want to, there is a lot of misinformation flying out there what the money is, this and that. Even a blog that failed to mention this was just to get the judge's approval rather than an approval. We're not voting as the lawyer said earlier, we're not voting on what mechanism to use. We're just voting to ask a judge whether we can use this as a source. I think we should stop the hysteria and the misinformation out there, especially around Hillsborough College but also around the numbers. If somebody wants to prove a point in the numbers do it in a debate or do it in a community meeting. Don't do it here where we are misleading the public.

Alan Clendenin

2:12:19PM Thank you, Councilman Carlson. Any further discussion? I have a motion and a second. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Naya Young

2:12:25PM Yes.

Luis Viera

2:12:28PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

2:12:28PM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

2:12:32PM No, because there's no deal done.

Guido Maniscalco

2:12:34PM No.

Lynn Hurtak

2:12:36PM No.

Alan Clendenin

2:12:37PM Yes.

The clerk

2:12:38PM The motion carried with Miranda, Maniscalco, and Hurtak voting no.

Alan Clendenin

2:12:44PM Thank you. Since we can't talk about this publicly --

Charlie Miranda

2:12:47PM I know what I'm doing. I've been in court much more often than you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

2:12:52PM This portion of the deal is done.

Charlie Miranda

2:12:54PM I understand. That's what happens. The first portion, putting it back in our face, have to have it -- I have nothing against you or anybody else who voted for it.

Alan Clendenin

2:13:05PM Thank you. Now, the star of the show, ladies and gentlemen, ken tinkler.

Ken tinkler

2:13:16PM Good afternoon, council. Glad Scott could get everything warmed up in here.

Bill Carlson

2:13:23PM May I say one thing?

Alan Clendenin

2:13:25PM Yes. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:13:27PM I'll go back to bed. If you guys need me, call me. It will take three or four minutes to get back in. If you could sit quietly. We'll call you back if we do.

2:13:39PM Thank you.

Ken tinkler

2:13:51PM This is a continuation of our discussion from two weeks ago. For the record, ken tinkler, Carlson fields. I'm here in the role of outside counsel advising you on charter review only. I would like to walk through some revised -- the revised language you asked me to bring back along with a few changes that have occurred since the memorandum went out. We've been working with the city attorney's office and I think refined things in a good way. After that, I'll walk you through the current drafts of the ballot questions to ensure that we have what we have written reflects your intent because your next step with this is bringing it to a public hearing as individual ordinances. If the tv folks can bring up my powerpoint from earlier today, that would be wonderful.

Martin Shelby

2:14:47PM This is the revised one you sent this morning?

Ken tinkler

2:14:50PM Yes, that would be great.

Alan Clendenin

2:14:52PM Do you have that one? Uh-oh.

Martin Shelby

2:15:01PM Sent to cttv this morning.

Ken tinkler

2:15:06PM Perfect. Thank you. Make it easier to track the language. Everyone likes to read the minutia of ordinances.

Alan Clendenin

2:15:44PM Marty, can you copy cttv so they have it at the top of their box too?

Martin Shelby

2:16:11PM Is this the last item of the day?

Alan Clendenin

2:16:13PM No, we have the two public hearings.

Martin Shelby

2:16:30PM Do you have access to the e-mails. I just sent it at cttv.

Guido Maniscalco

2:17:15PM Mr. Tinkler, are you from here originally? Born and raised?

Ken tinkler

2:17:19PM No, I moved here after law school. It's been almost 30 years. Born in the bronx and grew up there in Connecticut. Too much snow. And Florida for law school.

Guido Maniscalco

2:17:35PM I love snow. I only see it if I travel somewhere. My wife is from West Virginia, have you driven no snow, shoveled snow? See how much you love it.

Alan Clendenin

2:17:46PM Scraping your windshield.

Ken tinkler

2:17:48PM Undergrad was in boston and too much of that winter, that's for sure.

Alan Clendenin

2:17:58PM Very pretty to look at from a window.

Guido Maniscalco

2:18:01PM Or a tv.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:03PM Should we move to a public hearing and try to knock one out? How long do you think they need to load this up?

Martin Shelby

2:18:26PM Ms. Pettis-mackle is here. I have the material to hand out to go to the hearings, if Mr. Tinkler would give us a minute or two or three.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:41PM Should we try to do the one?

Guido Maniscalco

2:18:47PM Are you billing by the hour right now?

Ken tinkler

2:18:51PM I'll stay as long as you need me too.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:54PM Mr. Tinkler, have a seat. We'll hear item 83. Alex, we'll hear yours. We have a motion to open the 1:30 public hearings. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Martin Shelby

2:19:05PM Which address is this one, please, Mr. Chairman?

Alan Clendenin

2:19:08PM Motion to open the public hearings. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item number 83. Anybody who has not been sworn in, please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in by our clerk. You weren't sworn in earlier, Stephanie? [Oath administered] department. Item 38 is a review hearing regarding application de 1-26-136 for the property located at 205 West Ross Avenue. The petitioner for this matter is Alex Rios. He filed an application with the City of Tampa zoning department requesting a waiver of the requirement of code section 27-282.9 subsection d regarding a specific unit for this project. City staff will explain that to you in more detail. Staff denied the application request on August 2, 2026. Now, I provided or Mr. Shelby Has handed out the City Council packet regarding this review hearing and the process. So in the packet includes a copy of code section 27-61 entitled review, which governs the process for this review hearing. I also provided a sample motion. Most importantly, the rules of procedure for City Council to use in order to conduct the review hearing. As mentioned, code section 27-61, subsection j-3 in particular provides that City Council can -- should conduct a de novo review hearing, which means that City Council is not limited in its review to that information or documentation that was originally provided for the design exception application. City Council was entitled to receive new evidence at this hearing. You are essentially sitting in the shoes of the Zoning Administrator and you will make the decision regarding the request. Eric Cotton is present regarding this application to provide more detail to City Council regarding the denial of the decision. At the conclusion of the hearing, City Council can take two actions. City Council can affirm the decision of the Zoning Administrator and therefore deny the request for de 1-26-136 or City Council can overturn the decision of the Zoning Administrator and approve the request in de 1-26-136. In the sample motion, I gave the criteria in 27-60 to use that is required to use in your analysis in making your decision. So that's in the middle of the sample motion. So I just draw that to City Council's attention. And that's my presentation.

2:22:14PM Thank you very much.

Martin Shelby

2:22:16PM Mr. Chairman, if I can take the opportunity for both hearings to ask council to receive and file any ex parte communications that may have been received by council open for public inspection.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:26PM Council have any ex parte communication on either one of the next two public hearings? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:22:30PM I received a text message earlier today, but I sent it to my city e-mail.

Martin Shelby

2:22:36PM What does that say?

Lynn Hurtak

2:22:38PM It asked me to look at the e-mail that was sent.

Martin Shelby

2:22:42PM E-mails have been sent. Motion to receive and file those e-mails.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:45PM Motion to receive and file the e-mail from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Mr. Cotton.

Eric Cotton

2:22:53PM Good afternoon, council. Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. As Ms. Mackle said, de 1-26-136 property at 205 West Ross Avenue. Again, the petitioner is Alex Rios. Property owner smw acquisitions. The property is currently zoned RM 24. The request was to reduce the requirement of having enclosed parking space in the front yard. Just a quick aerial of the property. It's proposed for development. North side of ross. Survey of the existing property, this is a survey. Aerial shows that the house shown on the survey is no longer there. This is just a quick example which we'll get to in a moment. There is an alley that runs behind the property and you can see that the alley is paved and usable. So getting into the site plan, I'll pull this up a little bit. Wrong way. This is the issue of the code. So the code requirement for single-family attached requires the required two parking spaces in the front yard be enclosed. So you can see both on the elevation, the two end units have two-car garages, middle unit only has a one-car garage, which is also reflected on the site plan. So when we reviewed this from the staff level, it was determined they were not in compliance with the code. And the allowance is if you park in the rear, you don't have -- the parking space doesn't have to be enclosed. The other option would be to have alley access, all the parking be in the rear and would not have to be inside of a garage. Specifically, the code section -- just saying if it is in the front yard, required spaces shall be enclosed. Spaces are not. There are other options. Could be in the rear yard and not enclosed. That was the basis for staff's denial. If you have any questions from council, happy to answer them for you.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:02PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:03PM There is a New Tampa Heights overlay, isn't there? A Tampa Heights overlay?

Eric Cotton

2:25:10PM Yes, ma'am.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:10PM Doesn't that require parking in the back?

Eric Cotton

2:25:12PM No, ma'am. Not required in Tampa Heights.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:16PM Is it suggested?

Eric Cotton

2:25:17PM It's recommended. The code doesn't go into great detail about parking. West Tampa has that requirement. It's just -- it's there, available, but not a requirement.

Lynn Hurtak

2:25:27PM Basically what you're saying is that they wouldn't need this waiver if they just put the parking in the back.

Eric Cotton

2:25:33PM Correct. If parking was coming off the alley, they would not have needed to ask for the waiver.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:38PM Any other questions from council? Applicant? Alex Rios with Rios architecture representing the petitioner. The proposed development is a three unit single-family attached townhome project within the Tampa Heights overlay. The two end units are provided with a front entry, two car enclosed garage and the interior unit provided with a front entry single car garage. Per section 27-82.9 of which sets the standards for single-family attached townhomes requires that two car enclosed parking garages be provided when parking access is off the front yard. The two end units fully comply with this requirement while the interior unit does not fully comply as it only has a one-car enclosed garage. Our design exception application to waive this requirement for only the middle unit was denied. As noted in the denial letter, grounds for denial was based on having access to the rear alley. Heading into today's presentation, it is my intent to demonstrate that the entire outcome of the petition should not rest solely on access to the rear alley. I'm here in support of the petition not to demonstrate that we cannot comply, but rather on the grounds of the client's reasonable intent, compliance with all other regulations, land use policy, code ambiguity, and application of the code. The client's intent from the onset in purchasing this property is to develop townhomes with spacious backyards. This seemingly reasonable intent in an overlay that has not codified a strict requirement for alley access such as the West Tampa overlay is severely compromised if parking is provided off the rear. I'll show two examples here. So here is the example of the proposed project as we have presented it today. You could see the 22-foot deep garage, 46-foot deep building footprint. 8-foot rear porch and a 23 by 30-foot 6-inch backyard. Using those same dimensions of the building footprint, 46, 8, and 22, we have a smaller backyard. Three feet shorter on this side. Once accounting for a walkway to and from the garage we are about five feet short or six feet short on this side. The space alone is not the issue. It's also the feeling of space. You have the principal structure behind you, single story accessory structure of the garage in front of you, a demising wall separating the two units to your right. And in this particular unit, now that the front yard has shifted forward, you also have your neighboring lot which would have views of your backyard. One other thing to note, east and north sides of the alley are completely unused. Currently by any property. There is a portion of the alley that extends north here that is used by another project, but this portion and this portion, there is no direct access to any property currently. That is mainly due partially to the condition of the alley. I do have a video of driving through it. If you would like to see it, I can show it at a later time. Many of the City of Tampa's land use policies support our design exception. Policy 282 encourages and incentivizes the utilization of greenspace beyond minimum requirements. Policy 9310 encourages flexibility in land use regulations to accommodate changing lifestyles and a mix of housing. Rarely can you find a townhome development with a meaningful private backyard. Let alone one with the potential for a pool. Preserving the private open space is a meaningful design objective that would otherwise be compromised solely by this requirement that the middle unit second parking space be enclosed. There's also a degree of ambiguity and excessive restriction when it comes to code requirements for single-family attached townhomes. Here you see semi detached, attached, and multifamily-style townhome standards. The code recognizes a two-car enclosed parking configuration at the front and open non-enclosed parking spaces -- the code recognizes a two car enclosed parking configuration of the front and open non-enclosed two car parking configuration when accessed off the rear, but does not contemplate a hybrid condition in which one required parking space is enclosed at the front and the second is provided at the rear. It would also state that the requirement is excessively restricting as single-family attached townhomes is the only project type uniquely subject to this two car enclosed parking requirement. Single-family detached, semi detached and multifamily townhome style do not have this requirement. Relief from this code section is commonly sought after via a waiver on PD applications. You may recall last month's rezoning hearing which had a four unit townhome with single car enclosed parking at the front. With this code section listed as a waiver. We believe it is disproportionate to require a PD process simply to address a limited parking configuration. The petition before you today simply recognizes one car enclosed space for the middle unit. The proposal meets land use code, including the requirements for parking demand, greenspace, and setbacks. It promotes flexibility and diverse housing with meaningful greenspace and private yards. We respectfully request your approval of this petition. Thank you.

2:32:25PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:32:29PM If you can't fit it within the code, it kind of sounds like you're putting too much in too little. When doing three and four unit townhome configurations. It is only the middle unit that is seeking relief. We are not doing anything beyond -- we are still providing the required parking. It's just the configuration that is different. If we, for example, were to do multifamily townhome style, which would be more suitable for a corner lot, we would not be subject to that requirement. We would only be required one car enclosed parking.

Alan Clendenin

2:33:22PM Could you put -- you could put two units on this property and stay within the confines of the code. Classified as semi detached. So it's a different category. It would be subject to only a single car parking. Once you do three or more units in a ROW, it is now called attach and the only style that requires the two car parking. Even the multifamily style which you could potentially do six or seven --

2:33:51PM I'm learning something today. That is factual information? I'll call him up in a second. The driveway in front of the middle unit, can it accommodate a vehicle? It is a single car enclosure with another --

2:34:06PM How long is the driveway before you get to right-of-way, before sidewalk? To the property line it's 25 feet. That is the setback.

2:34:16PM Is there a sidewalk? Let me pull it up. It isn't shown on this drawing, but we have quite a bit of distance.

2:34:29PM Do you have 20 feet before a sidewalk? That's my question so that you could park a car without hitting sidewalk? Additional, I'm going to say, ten, conservatively ten feet to get to the curb.

2:34:46PM Then you would have -- still have two cars provided. It's just the enclosure that is the restricting piece.

2:34:54PM Mr. Cotton, could you come up. The testimony that Mr. Rios, this seems to be an interesting part of the code, that if this was -- if this was just two units, they would not be required to park this way?

Eric Cotton

2:35:09PM That is correct. The code only requires that the spaces either be enclosed or either a one-car garage or one car carport. It has to be integrated.

Alan Clendenin

2:35:20PM A duplex, they only have to park one car inside. Triplex, they have to park two cars inside?

Eric Cotton

2:35:27PM Well, semi detached and single-family attached in our nomenclature for the code.

Alan Clendenin

2:35:32PM Very interesting. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:35:33PM But I would argue that prevents too much from going on too little.

Alan Clendenin

2:35:40PM How wide is the lot? Yes, 82 feet wide. Just to be frank, this is in my opinion not an over-densification from some of the other proposals you might see via a PD. Three units are pretty comfortably laid out on the site. I'm not necessarily overreaching in the square footage or overall scale of the development.

2:36:17PM Councilwoman Young asked if you had pictures. It's just about the parking so it doesn't matter. Any other questions? Hearing none, open it up to public comment. Anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? You can come up sir and start with your name. Caesar garcia. I have built four units before. Single car garage in Seminole Heights. They are actually right behind 275. The parking, actually have single car garage. Neighbors think the parking is actually pretty good in regards to them parking because they can park their cars inside a garage and also park behind the garage as well. That's a good area for them as well to park. There's actually eight units in total in that area which everybody thinks is perfectly fine.

Lynn Hurtak

2:37:10PM I do have a question. My question is, I know exactly where those are. Is there alley access? There's no alley access.

2:37:17PM That's why. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

2:37:20PM Ms. Poynor, did you want to speak? Good afternoon. Stephanie poynor. This whole tandem parking, remember, we were going to get rid of tandem parking. Park in the garage, park behind it. Then you end up with people parking behind their garage door, but they don't stay parked behind their garage door because when their spouse, their roommate, boyfriend, girlfriend, whoever wants to get out in the morning they can't get out. This car is almost never parked here in my community. You know why? It is parked in the street in visitor's parking because one spouse has to leave at the butt crack of dawn and the other one doesn't leave until later. This is what we're creating. A tandem parking situation which you guys absolutely had every intention of getting rid of. You know what? I hadn't thought about it until that gentleman got up here to speak. Now 82 feet is 27 feet wide per unit. Are we again going way over the 50% density? I found out last week that they have to, if it's multifamily, if it's attached or anything like that, they have to build a vault, which is ridiculous. We're never going to get smaller units. Again, we're putting ten pounds of sugar in a five pound sack. Thank you. Also, did the neighborhood comment? Tampa Heights is the epitome of commenting. They are one of the best land use areas in the city. Did you not get any kind of information from them about this? Follow what the neighborhood says.

Lynn Hurtak

2:39:05PM We did get an e-mail.

Alan Clendenin

2:39:07PM Staff, do you have any additional comments?

Eric Cotton

2:39:12PM No, sir.

Alan Clendenin

2:39:13PM Rebuttal? Over-restricting component because in comparison to other townhome styles. Again, it's not that I can't comply. It's that I believe this restriction is, this portion is overreaching for single-family attached townhomes. It is the most commonly waived parking requirement when going up before you for Planned Development projects. Simply changing this to a multifamily reconfiguration, in other words, if this central unit wrapped for whatever reason, like if it was a corner lot, I would then be subject to multifamily townhome style and then only subject to single car parking. So it's really just the configuration that in my opinion is the overreaching component. To her comment about outreach, we did speak to the Tampa Heights overlay. I'm forgetting the attorney's name that I spoke with who was active in writing the code, he did express his opposition to the comment and conversation. He's not here today. But I did receive his feedback. I did take it to heart. We both are amicably on different sides. I understand his intent when writing the overlay was to prescriptively provide rear alley access. The issue I'm faced with, on behalf of the petitioner who purchased this lot, it's not a codified requirement to provide that rear alley access parking and the intent of having a more appropriate backyard. So my stance is kind of vast in terms of the reasons. It's over-restriction on the code, application, waiver for only one of the units. In my opinion, more usable greenspace, more usable private greenspace. It's kind of vast in terms of all the reasons. I understand the intent. I hope you see mine as well. Thank you.

2:41:17PM Thank you. Any further questions? Hearing none, motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Viera. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I need a motion. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:41:33PM Tampa Heights has worked really hard to put parking in the back, in the alley. Putting three curb cuts on one street that's meant to be walkable when you have the opportunity to be alley access, I just don't think is appropriate. I move to uphold the Zoning Administrator's denial of de1-26-136 for the property located at 205 West Ross Avenue because the petitioner failed to provide competent and substantial evidence to waive the requirement, section 27-282.9, subsection c, subsections 2 regarding unit two of the project based on the criteria set forth in section 27-60 of the City of Tampa code for the following reasons: mainly because the petitioner says he can do it, he just doesn't want to. And that's not a reason in my opinion.

Alan Clendenin

2:42:37PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, a second from Councilwoman Young. I got hers first. Did you have something to say, Mr. Shelby? Okay. Clerk, call the roll.

Charlie Miranda

2:42:53PM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

2:42:55PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

2:42:57PM Yes.

Naya Young

2:42:59PM Yes.

Luis Viera

2:42:59PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:02PM Yes.

The clerk

2:43:03PM Motion carried unanimously with Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:07PM Okay. I'm sorry for you waiting for 84, but we have a time certain at 1:30 for our 95 item. Mr. Tinkler, I believe your presentation has been uploaded.

Lynn Hurtak

2:43:31PM Did we get a copy of this?

Alan Clendenin

2:43:32PM I think it was e-mailed to everybody. You e-mailed that to everybody?

Ken tinkler

2:43:37PM The powerpoint, no. the document was. Again, for the record, ken tinkler, carlton fields. We'll jump right in. The council tasked me with coming back with additional language regarding the concept of removal for cause. This came up in the comp text of section 6.03 regarding the ability to remove officers appointed under this section. The language that we looked to was the language actually used by the state for the removal of state inspector generals. Given that it would be removal for cause including concerns regarding performance, malfeasance, misfeasance, misconduct or failure to carry out their duties. Given this language here, we mirrored it again then in section 12.01 regarding the inspector general. So you'd have the same language in both places, which we believe was consistent with your discussion two weeks ago. Any questions on this addition?

Alan Clendenin

2:44:49PM Did you have experience in employment law?

Ken tinkler

2:44:52PM I am not an employment lawyer.

Alan Clendenin

2:44:53PM Thank you. Go ahead. Any questions? Hearing none.

Ken tinkler

2:44:58PM In working with the city attorney's office, they asked for a change regarding section 10.07. This is one of the items that was originally adopted by council in 2018 that did not make the ballot. The language that was proposed by the city at the time, included a specific reference to Florida statute 166031. From the city attorney's perspective would prefer it be simply in accordance with state law. We have no objection to that. The ballot question already used that same language. I wanted to alert you to that change to see if you had any issues with that.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:37PM None. Hearing none, continue.

Ken tinkler

2:45:40PM Wonderful. I'll walk you through the current draft of the ballot questions so you can see how this would be seen by the voters.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:46PM This is what I'm going to propose. That we go through them all. If there's any one that you want to pull for separate discussion or vote, we can do that after it's done. So continue.

Ken tinkler

2:45:58PM Will do. Section 2.03, I won't read every word of this to save time here. But the idea here is to be asking the voters, given that the City Council presently adopts bylaws, regulations, this is simply changing the word from compel to require. This was one of the charter review board recommendations. Section 2.04, this actually has an addition from my memorandum, again, working with the city attorney's office. This is to allow you to create and fill additional staff positions. They recommended adding in the provisions specifying that such provision positions may support any City Council function and removing the requirement for prior mayoral approval. We had no problem with that addition and it fits within the 75 words -- that is one thing to keep in mind. We're allowed 15 words in the title, 75 words. Legislature feels local government gets short language when it comes to that. They, of course, have no limit on themselves.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:10PM Just like sunshine.

Ken tinkler

2:47:12PM Section 2.08, this is governing -- it's a clarification regarding what would happen with a reading of a final ordinance. Simply that it is now set out to follow state law. Section 2.15, this is regarding the ability to override mayoral executive orders. It would set out that you are creating a section in the charter for this provision. It would require no less than five City Council members to approve and prohibits the mayor from reenacting that executive order without City Council approval. Sections 4.01 and 4.03, regarding mayoral term limits. Strike out the present provision in section 4.01 and create a new section in section 4.03, which has a more restrictive provision setting forth that an individual cannot serve more than six years, after the effectiveness of the amendment and once again be elected as mayor. The six years, as we discussed two weeks ago is in regards to an acting mayor, a position of a partial term of office.

Luis Viera

2:48:34PM If I may, Mr. Chairman.

Alan Clendenin

2:48:35PM We'll listen to them all and do it at the end.

Luis Viera

2:48:38PM I apologize.

Ken tinkler

2:48:40PM 6.02, removal of 1979 language. Obsolete at this point. Section 6.03, this is the power to remove city -- appointed city officers after the ability for the mayor and the officer to be heard. This is also what we just discussed in regarding for cause. Section 6.05, this is removing the obsolete residency requirement reference, that it was held over, again, from prior charter amendments that didn't make it through. Section 6.06, this is simply clarifying what a majority vote means in regards to salaries. It also then expands your ability to act by both resolution or ordinance in regards to salary. Section 7.05 tying this particular set of millage to the state millage law, making that specific, and that was a charter review board recommendation. Section 7.07, this is the budget changes during the fiscal year. It sets out that the City Council has the power to reappropriate funds without having recommendation from the mayor. Section 9.02, another obsolete reference. Presently put the Chief Building Official on a board that does not exist. Section 10.06, again, removing an obsolete reference to 1976. Section 10.07, this provision is in regards to the initiative and referendum. I mentioned earlier we changed the charter language to reflect that this would simply be incorporating via state law. This was another carry-over that should have been adopted previously. Section 11.03, again, obsolete reference. We have a lot of reference to the '70s in the charter right now. This one from 1975. Section 10.01, this is the inspector general provision. Outlines it would operate outside of the executive and legislative branches to perform investigations, audits, and reviews. Requires that you adopt an implementing ordinance consistent with the specified powers and authorities. It does provide for the term, appointment and removal by City Council as set forth in the ordinance. Obviously, this is a long provision, trying to make it fit in 75 words was the fun part, but we believe we covered the major points that you've included. Happy to answer any questions or any comments that you have on the language so far.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:37PM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

2:51:37PM Yes, sir. Thank you. And thank you, sir, for your hard work. We really appreciate you. There are a couple that I wanted to cite, two in particular that I have challenges with. I said this before. Number one, 4.03, which is term limits on the mayor. I support term limits on the mayor, but I just think this is the wrong year to do them because it's going to have a political effect on the mayoral race for obvious reasons. I think this is something that can be politicized this year, and that's just my position. I think it is the wrong time to do this. 6.03, again, with removal, I strongly oppose that. A lot of times we have people who come from out of state who come from different parts of the State of Florida here to take over departments and so forth. And to have council removal powers as set out I think all it takes is one council member, one council member to abuse it and then you have a person who is having a personal crisis in their life and they are going to regret that they ever came here. I can't support that. Those two I'd like to have for separate, if I may.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:49PM Is Councilman Carlson back on? Councilman Carlson, if you are listening, if you want to come back on, this would be a good time. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

2:52:57PM So I had a question. In regards to the inspector general, you oversaw the commission work. What did the commission suggest or vote on? And what did council expound upon or expand upon? Was there a difference between what they supported from the commission and to what council -- because we talked about a couple of times?

Ken tinkler

2:53:24PM The Charter Review Commission proposed an inspector general position that could be both internal staff or it could be an outside entity. They included a specific appointment board with setting out particular names of positions with people in Tampa to serve in that role. It also included the mayor and the council in that appointment process. So it is a different format than what you have before you today. In terms of the way in which the individual would become the inspector general. It also restricts the Charter Review Commission version of this restricted the investigations to things that the inspector general received in writing with the name attached to it as opposed to being able to initiate investigations, other things on their own.

Guido Maniscalco

2:54:22PM If I recall, it was Mr. Creighton who led the discussion on that, I believe.

Ken tinkler

2:54:27PM He certainly was a large participant in the item. All I can reflect is the majority vote of the commission. I'm sure you all appointed nine very different individuals.

Guido Maniscalco

2:54:39PM Was it a 5-4 vote?

Ken tinkler

2:54:42PM I do not remember the vote count.

Guido Maniscalco

2:54:44PM We don't know if it's unanimous or not. So that was one. The second is the firing of department heads. It was said like it's hard to get to five votes. It's not hard to get to four votes to remove a chairman, which I have personal experience with. It can be politicized.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:05PM -- guy.

Guido Maniscalco

2:55:07PM It's true. That was an easy one. Anything can happen with a department head. So I have concerns with that. And then in regards to council hiring additional staff, for whatever purpose of council, where does it limit it to? For example, the county commission, they share a driver. Like I would not support that. The council then say, well, we have night meetings. We'll get a personal chef. Is it limited to, if the attorney needs like a legislative aide or a legal assistant or if we want to hire more than one legislative aide, because I know the county commission which is bigger, they each have two aides, but, you know, where is the limit on that or is it limitless? I know you have to write it within the certain amount of words, but does it give discretion to a council to hire whatever staff, whatever they want to do? I mention some extremes, but where is the limit, if there is any?

Ken tinkler

2:56:13PM The edits to that provision of the charter are just adding some additional language to allow you to have additional staff but still restricts you to within the budget. The budgetary process is the restrictor when it comes to the choice. The individuals -- the language we have in there today is for any purpose the City Council --

Guido Maniscalco

2:56:33PM Anything I've mentioned is possible, but realistically it would be, if we hire our own City Council attorney, we have our legislative aides, but it would --

Ken tinkler

2:56:43PM Still have the limitations of public purpose and all. Use of the funds.

Guido Maniscalco

2:56:47PM Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

2:56:49PM If I hear you correctly, I can cancel the advertising for my personal masseuse and chef? [ laughter ] I see that Councilman Carlson is back on. Can I get a motion to approve councilman Carlson's participation? Motion from Councilman Viera. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed, ayes have it. Welcome, Councilman Carlson. I have a few recognized to speak. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:57:21PM Either one, strong mayor form of government or don't. When you say I want inspector general, I haven't heard anything why. I haven't heard malfeasance, misfeasance or missing something or another. I heard it from other cities that have one, ft. Lauderdale or others, if I recall, but what is the principle of the individual as inspector general that we cannot do ourselves in the form of government that we have today?

Ken tinkler

2:57:51PM I think the best way to answer that, Councilman, This would create a position outside of the legislative and executive branches that would have the ability to review both. That is something that presently doesn't exist in your charter today. This was a proposal that came from the Charter Review Commission, and then was revised pursuant to your direction as a council to reflect what you have right now.

Alan Clendenin

2:58:16PM They can also investigate ourselves.

Charlie Miranda

2:58:23PM I'm a tight wad when it comes to public money. Looking at things happening, they want to add more and more of something that we don't need or may not need. If we needed something, we can hire someone for that, law firm, whatever, go out and do what they got to do. Accountant or CPA firm, we can do that now without hiring a full-time employee and have to pay all the benefits and the retirement and everything that goes with it. I don't want to see a larger government. If somebody don't like to work here, they can go work somewhere else. This is a free country. However, what Mr. Maniscalco said, I don't believe we should have the power to fire somebody with five votes without cause. You can fire somebody now with cause, but I didn't hear anything about earlier just five votes. I'm saying who would want to come here to work and knowingly that somebody that did not hire you specifically can get fired without knowing about your pro forma, without knowing about anything other than maybe they don't like how you dress or whatever. I don't know. What I'm saying is who in the world would come to work here knowing that with five votes of council, who you are not addressing to. You are addressing to the individual in the strong mayor form of government and, by the way, I think they let go three or four since I've been here. Three or four have been fired by the administration. So we can see that does work. I just want to get the best and the brightest, even though I may or may not be here. What I'm saying just to me, I don't want to spend money unless I really need to.

Alan Clendenin

3:00:05PM Can you review that for cause? It has cause in it now.

Ken tinkler

3:00:12PM If we could put the powerpoint back on. Probably the easiest way to show you the language. Go back to the beginning here. We'll do the prior one.

Alan Clendenin

3:00:33PM Cttv, can you put it on council screens as well?

Ken tinkler

3:00:39PM The addition since our last discussion was including the language, may remove for cause, including concerns regarding performance, malfeasance, misfeasance, misconduct or failure to carry out their duties. That was a discussion from two weeks ago regarding that language and this mirrors what the state uses.

Alan Clendenin

3:00:57PM That was to eliminate that concern that other councilpersons had.

Charlie Miranda

3:01:06PM Here again, same contract I heard earlier today, you sign that, now you got to do and not do what you can't do. Ram it down your throat because you are wrong, this, that and the other. Here again, I'm a strong believer that if you are going to work with the administration, they can fire you. But when you come to five members of council with all this, that's fine and dandy on the writing, but you can do whatever you want. What is the lowest degree of malfeasance or performance or whatever? Accident, misconduct, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't know what the duties are. You should get fired and you should get fired for other causes. I think this administration and other administrations that I've worked with have all done that. Why do they need me to have the opportunity to fire somebody? I don't know the performance. I venture to say that none of us here know what most of those department heads do on a daily basis, day in and day out.

Alan Clendenin

3:02:10PM Councilwoman Hurtak? No. Councilwoman Young. Cttv, can you put Councilman Carlson back up on the screen for me so I can see him? Thank you.

Naya Young

3:02:19PM Councilman Viera and Councilman Miranda kind of hit on it a little bit. I also just was thinking about section 6.03 with the city officers. Councilman Miranda, you make a very good point. While we do have our interactions with some of the City departments and staff, maybe not on that day-to-day basis. Someone else will. As I'm thinking about that, what I do think, though, is maybe it's not in the charter, but maybe some kind of, I don't know, maybe process or something that we can go through as council members that say if we're having an issue with a staff member. Because what I feel is that some of what is being proposed, and -- I've been here for a year but also only been here a year. Just from what I've observed. It seems as though maybe there have been some instances or experiences or situations that have happened, maybe with certain department heads or staff members that have kind of led to this bad taste in someone's mouth, maybe. This is coming, like, okay, we need to have a little more oversight of this. Maybe it's not something that's in the charter but some kind of process or something that we have, like, okay, this relationship that we are -- we're trying to work together as city official, as City Council, and it's not working. Maybe there is a process for that. I don't know if it is HR or whatever, but maybe that is more so the conversation than them coming here and it being five vote that we get rid of someone. That's kind of my thought.

Alan Clendenin

3:04:24PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:04:27PM I just wanted to say that the administration would have no obligation to do that with us because those folks work for the administration. They do not work for us. So there would be nothing that we could create because that would have to be something the administration would have to agree to. They made it really clear that they wouldn't.

Naya Young

3:04:48PM Those are just my thoughts. Whatever the process is, we have a lot of bright minds here. Someone can figure it out.

Alan Clendenin

3:04:57PM Councilman Carlson, did you want to weigh in? Any items you want to pull on this for discussion?

Bill Carlson

3:05:05PM Can you hear me?

Alan Clendenin

3:05:06PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

3:05:07PM Just quickly on that one, we've had several cases, I didn't want to go through right now, where I've been back and forth with the Legal Department, chief of staff and HR. We have a great city attorney now who is very balanced. Hopefully that doesn't get him in trouble. But the mayor and chief of staff refuse to investigate or look at the facts on certain folks who are obviously breaking the law and ethics rules. They just won't do that. They'll come after City Council members but won't go after their own staff. I told the mayor to her face, if my legislative aide did even a small part of what some of these folks did, they would have been fired. We have employees coming to us even in public comment complaining about things that have happened. HR, chief of staff don't do anything. This is a very rare thing that you would use, when somebody is either blatantly breaking the law, ethics rules or blatantly causing harm in the organization. I think it would have been used three or four times maybe in the last four years. Besides that, it would rarely be used and it's five votes. Look at how we all think differently on this. Lastly, I say this every time, but the term strong mayor keeps being circulated around by people who -- by mayors who want to pretend like they have more authority than they do. The charter clearly has two branches of government that the united states, State of Florida, City of Tampa were set up with a balance of powers. The last two mayors have taken away the powers of City Council, and one of them has even said that City Council needs to stay in their lane. We need to put back the powers of City Council. This mayor has said that this is a power grab. It's absolutely not. It's putting power back that City Council should have because the last two mayors did a power grab and took power away from the City Council. The City Council is the most representative of the people. We hear from the people every week. The fact that the mayor was too afraid to come down today to even face the public just shows the public she's not responsive to the public like we are and we need to make sure that City Council has a say. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:07:15PM Thank you. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

3:07:19PM To councilman Carlson's first point is that something that the inspector general could do?

Alan Clendenin

3:07:24PM It depends on any charges they --

Naya Young

3:07:32PM To his point, gone to the mayor about maybe certain, you know, staff members or something, and nothing has been done. Would that be an instance where the inspector general could come in at that point in time?

Alan Clendenin

3:07:47PM Only if it fell within the confines of the inspector general charter language, if it was within their world of legalities, violation, an alleged violation of law or ordinance or rule.

Naya Young

3:08:07PM Just putting it out there. Trying to make it work.

Alan Clendenin

3:08:11PM I'll weigh in on this a little bit.

Charlie Miranda

3:08:16PM Very up front. Some of the people that left, they didn't leave because of the mayor. They left because of us. And I'll take a lie detector test of anybody who wants to talk to me. One lady was crying outside. And I looked at her, and I could tell she was not going to take anymore. When she resigned and left, we had a man that we hired, gentleman from Orlando, if I recall. Checking my old memory. You know what, I called that man the smartest man on earth. You know why. The day before he was supposed to leave he called us and said I don't want the job.

Alan Clendenin

3:08:59PM That was CRA.

Bill Carlson

3:09:01PM Can I respond to that, Mr. Chair?

Charlie Miranda

3:09:09PM That's what I'm saying. One, I was parking my car. Another lady, not the same one, saw walking, I'm looking at her, I told her, come here, I want to talk to you. She came up. Let me ask you something. Your body language is telling me you're not happy here and you're leaving. You can ask her. I'll tell you later. She said how do you know? I said, it shows. Thank you very much. And I left. Two days later, she left. That's all I'm going to say.

Alan Clendenin

3:09:38PM Councilman Viera and then Carlson.

Luis Viera

3:09:40PM Couple of things. I wanted to say this because we were at tuskegee event, Councilman Maniscalco, because he referenced this, which somebody called him up and they said, Councilman Maniscalco, come up, aren't you the chair. He said in a funny way, that is a long story. Your levity, I wanted to salute that. You are very kind. Couple of things I wanted to address, which is on that 6.03 on removal, it states, quote, failure to carry out duties. Of course, sir, you were asked, all legally sufficient, all that good stuff, but that's about as subjective as all hell. What are the failure to carry out duties? We talked about folks not returning calls. And please, Councilman Carlson, correct me if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong in quoting you, but I think you just said this would have been put into effect three to four times over the last few years. Please correct me if I'm wrong. We can't have this used unless it is something that is just an abomination. Can we write in the word abomination? I'm joking. To me, way too subjective. Term limits, I want to add something to that, when I say it could be politicized, I'm not accusing anybody of bad faith, if I was running for mayor, you know what, people are so angry about this, people demanded we pass a charter amendment putting term limits for mayor, it's not the right election to have this. That's what I do. People running for mayor are SMART. That's my point. Thank you, sir.

Alan Clendenin

3:11:28PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

3:11:30PM Yeah, there is a lot there. As I said last time, I don't think that particular charter amendment would be a political issue unless -- I think the mayor and her people will run a campaign against these amendments like they have in the past. The last time, they didn't tell the truth, which is also disappointing. We'll see all kinds of misinformation out there. Term limits are a basic thing and it doesn't affect any current candidate. It's kind of moot. It would ultimately affect whoever wins from winning beyond that. It affects all 15 or whatever candidates that might ultimately run equally. Back to the personnel thing, we've been around and around. I've personally spoken to almost everybody who has left. In fact, I've had multiple meetings of groups of former leaders and from the city. And all of them say the same thing, HR, chief of staff, and mayor won't do anything to change the culture to make it positive for the SMART people who are in the city. Current employees who complain to me all the time. We have employees who have cried and that's because they allegedly said the mayor has called personally and screamed and cursed at them. I can go through more details if you want, but to blame City Council for the departure of any of those folks is terrible. Multiple CRA Staff were practically crying on my shoulder every day because they were so unhappy because the mayor was intervening. We see that happening as well. Our own staff don't report to us. Again, usurping the power of City Council and usurping the power of CRA. We've got to rebalance everything. The public expects us to have the powers that are in the charter. And when a mayor -- it's really only the last two -- when a mayor tries to block those powers, it's usurping the powers granted in the charter. All this is doing is slightly cleaning it up to make it a little bit better. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:13:35PM I'll speak and then call for a vote on these things. I'll speak with the one that's obviously the one that seems to be hottest. That is about removing staff. Some of that language came from me and some of it came from other folks. Five votes is very difficult to get. We've had examples in the city many mayors ago where somebody did something really, really bad but the mayor did not want to remove that person because of friendships and being kind to the person, but the person should have been removed. There have been examples of that. We're not talking about this administration, the last administration or the administration before that. Some time ago. We have seen this play out in real life. This is not just theoretical. I spoke to the mayor, I spoke with other folks about this, part of the reason why this was initially suggested was as members of Tampa City Council, our constituents expect us -- they expect me to be able to, if their trash isn't picked up, to get picked up. They expect I can call a department head and fix that for them. If that department head refuses to work with me, I can't do my job. If I call over to an executive member of the mayor's staff and their portfolio is such that I'm dependent on them to be able to accomplish the basic expectations of being a member of City Council, I can't do my job. It's not that there's not a valid concern and a valid reason for this to happen. I agree with you, Councilman Miranda, I think this mayor has done a really good job of taking decisive action when staff needed to be let go. There doesn't seem to have been any moments have passed. That's I think being a police chief. She's pulled the trigger when it needs to be. Reference this administration, I think they have done a fairly decent job for the most part. I think Councilman Carlson would disagree with me on that. [ laughter ] but she has on numerous occasions done that. Now, all of that being said, as I thought about this a long time, I have one big concern, and some of it and why I asked Mr. Tinkler about employment law background. Those of you know because of my labor and management ties in my past life, I have a lot of experience in labor, I am concerned that what will end up happening, right now, there's a lot of accountability. If we have an employee and the administration removes that employee, and they do something inappropriately, there's legal resource. That employee can sue. And the chain of command is very clear on how those people are removed. I start -- it started to dawn on me when we come to council with that and we make a determination, five of us, and, quite honestly, as you can see on this dais, sometimes you guys say stuff that I just cringe. I'm looking at you, Councilman Miranda. I think about that and I'm thinking in a sense of employment law, if this council made a determination to terminate someone, and I'll throw myself under the bus. I say something that would be in violation of law or would be -- it would be problematic, it's very difficult to train seven of us in HR and employment law. I think the legal liability of the city would probably on that way, even though I see the need, I see the problem and experienced it myself. Somebody sitting over there right now, if I had my way, boom, done, gone, but I can see where we probably need to keep a cleaner chain of command on removing the removal process to protect the liability to the city. For that reason, I am probably going to, when this comes to a vote, probably not support that particular one. Even though I was all in it. The more I thought through the process, I decided against it. What I've heard, I've heard -- let's deal with the mayoral term limit. Councilman Viera would like that considered for a vote. Make this a positive. Those of you in favor of moving forward with the proposed language for term limits for the mayor, please say aye. Opposed?

3:18:34PM This only goes into effect 2031.

Luis Viera

3:18:47PM It is what it is. Let's say that mayor buckhorn wins in 2027. Would this preclude him from running in '31.

Alan Clendenin

3:18:55PM Yes.

Ken tinkler

3:18:58PM As written, no.

Alan Clendenin

3:19:00PM I thought it would in 2031.

Ken tinkler

3:19:05PM It's two terms.

Luis Viera

3:19:08PM He's already had two terms.

Ken tinkler

3:19:14PM Let me back this up. '27 election. He would get two terms from '27 on.

Alan Clendenin

3:19:24PM I thought if the ordinance goes into effect in 2027 --

Ken tinkler

3:19:29PM Let's go to the language. This is something we can edit if you wish. Section 4.03 is the addition. No person who has served as mayor or acted as mayor for more than a total of six years shall be eligible to be elected as mayor. Any time served as mayor before the adoption of this section shall not be considered in determining an individual's total time served as mayor. It starts everyone with a fresh slate upon adoption.

Luis Viera

3:20:05PM Good. Thank you for clarifying that. Because that would be -- again, I know Councilman Carlson is running, Councilwoman Hurtak is running. I wish you all well, et cetera. That would be some sort of political intervention. Just something to consider. Number two, I also like to cite that this puts more restrictive term limits on the executive than it does on City Council. That's something to note.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:36PM Only one district for mayor. Clerk, would you please call that vote?

The clerk

3:20:40PM Viera?

Alan Clendenin

3:20:45PM With the clarification, let's call the vote again. With the information that Mr. Tinkler said that this does not affect the 2027 election.

Ken tinkler

3:20:53PM If I may, Mr. Chairman, something for Mr. Shelby. I assume you need an authorization to set this for public hearing?

Alan Clendenin

3:21:01PM We'll do that when we're finished with the process.

Martin Shelby

3:21:09PM The motion exactly -- what is the purpose of the motion?

Alan Clendenin

3:21:13PM Let me clarify what we're doing. What we're doing right now, if there's any tinkering or anything that needs to be done, we'll go one at a time. Once it's said and done, once we have a full package, we'll make a motion for the next action. Okay? Are we all on the same page?

Martin Shelby

3:21:30PM This is council's opportunity to address potential changes --

Alan Clendenin

3:21:37PM Correct.

Martin Shelby

3:21:38PM -- in each individual question.

Alan Clendenin

3:21:41PM Correct.

Martin Shelby

3:21:42PM -- in order to be able to see whether ultimately -- to first reading.

Lynn Hurtak

3:21:52PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

3:21:53PM One at a time.

Martin Shelby

3:21:55PM You want to see the mayor question, the term limit question.

Alan Clendenin

3:21:59PM Cttv, can you get the powerpoint presentation up? Leave it off of the council because I need to see Councilman Carlson. Perfect. We have the best of both worlds.

3:22:29PM This is the language. Give you a second to look at it.

Naya Young

3:22:38PM Take place for 2031.

Alan Clendenin

3:22:40PM The way the language was written, it will go in effect 2027 for somebody elected in 2027, they will be under this, but still be able to serve two years. Two terms.

Martin Shelby

3:22:53PM May I inquire of Mr. Tinkler? The purpose or the change of this is with regard to partial term limits, is that correct? It makes it more restrictive with the length of time that somebody can serve a partial term limit that would count toward a full term limit?

Ken tinkler

3:23:14PM I would say it includes the concept of partial terms. That's the reason for the use of six years as opposed to --

Martin Shelby

3:23:23PM Eight years.

Ken tinkler

3:23:24PM Correct. The effectiveness of this is to remove the ability for someone to return as mayor after having served two terms.

Alan Clendenin

3:23:34PM Okay. Everybody clear with the language? Everybody clear with the intent?

Martin Shelby

3:23:39PM Roll call, please. For Mr. Carlson.

Luis Viera

3:23:43PM No.

Bill Carlson

3:23:45PM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

3:23:48PM No.

Guido Maniscalco

3:23:49PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

3:23:50PM Yes.

Naya Young

3:23:52PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:23:53PM Yes.

The clerk

3:23:54PM It's not an actual motion.

Martin Shelby

3:24:01PM It is a motion.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:03PM Motion to accept the language.

Martin Shelby

3:24:07PM Who made the motion?

Alan Clendenin

3:24:10PM I did I guess. I called for the vote to accept the language. This is an informal thing to accept the language. That's why I was fine -- let me do it my way. We'll go through each one of these, accept the language. When all the package is done, we'll do the formal motion.

Martin Shelby

3:24:28PM Your motion is to make no changes.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:30PM Correct. There's no motion. This was just a "we're all good with this."

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:36PM We're going through each one just to say okay.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:39PM And then the action item at the end.

Martin Shelby

3:24:41PM No.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:42PM Why?

Martin Shelby

3:24:43PM Because if somebody is going to propose to have a change to the language to a particular item -- you're handling it differently throughout the time. I suggest be consistent.

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:54PM I make a motion to accept the mayor language. If it was on the screen, I could see it.

Alan Clendenin

3:25:05PM Cttv, can you put it back on the screen?

Lynn Hurtak

3:25:10PM Because we don't have copies. 4.1 and 4.3. I make a motion to accept the language for 4.01 and 4.03.

Alan Clendenin

3:25:22PM I have a motion and I have a second. This will get so much more complicated.

The clerk

3:25:29PM We already did the vote. Motion carried with Viera and Miranda voting no.

Ken tinkler

3:25:41PM Get the powerpoint back up?

Alan Clendenin

3:25:53PM I'm going to push back on this again. Everybody was -- there's only a couple of items that people had issues with. One was the mayor vote. The other was removing staff.

Lynn Hurtak

3:26:09PM I'll make a motion to approve the language for section 2.03.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:14PM Why don't we go through it all? We only have two issues.

Lynn Hurtak

3:26:19PM Because the lawyers are complaining.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:21PM Only one lawyer.

Lynn Hurtak

3:26:22PM One lawyer is complaining, so let's just do it. Section 2.03, I approve the language. Motion to approve the language.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:32PM This is going to take an hour.

Martin Shelby

3:26:34PM The longer we argue. Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:38PM Can I see you, please?

Luis Viera

3:26:51PM Thank you, madam chair. I may have to leave in about 30 minutes. I have to see my mother at the hospital. She's fine. I have to take care of some things with the doctor and I have a town hall tonight at k-bar ranch. I have to fit in seeing her at the hospital.

Lynn Hurtak

3:27:09PM Hopefully this won't be very long. I'm kind of acting chair.

Guido Maniscalco

3:27:26PM Doesn't Councilman Carlson look younger with the hat? It looks good.

Bill Carlson

3:27:32PM Can I wear a hat every week?

Lynn Hurtak

3:27:34PM Sure, why not.

Guido Maniscalco

3:27:37PM What is the logo on the hat?

Lynn Hurtak

3:27:39PM A smoking rooster.

Guido Maniscalco

3:27:43PM Very good choice.

Bill Carlson

3:27:44PM From Ybor City.

Ken tinkler

3:27:47PM Still time to put a charter amendment along those lines.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:52PM We are going to, the issues that were pulled by council, we're going to have that discussion. Once that discussion is over on those two issues and we have an agreement on the whole package, we will have a motion to adopt the entire package. We dealt with the mayor issue already. Let's deal with the issue on removing staff. Can you bring that language up, please?

Ken tinkler

3:28:49PM Section 6.03.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:51PM Yes. Any further discussion on this issue?

3:28:55PM Okay. Again, this is just whether we're going to adopt this type of language or reject this type of language. Can I get a motion to adopt or reject?

Guido Maniscalco

3:29:08PM I make a motion to reject.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:09PM I have a motion to reject this language from Councilman Maniscalco. I have a second from Councilman Viera.

Lynn Hurtak

3:29:14PM Section 6.03.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:16PM 6.03.

The clerk

3:29:18PM This is to reject. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

3:29:21PM No.

Charlie Miranda

3:29:23PM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

3:29:24PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

3:29:26PM No.

Naya Young

3:29:28PM Yes.

Luis Viera

3:29:30PM Yes to reject.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:33PM Yes.

The clerk

3:29:34PM Motion carried with Carlson and Hurtak voting no.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:40PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

3:29:41PM My intent originally was just to make this about the city attorney, not about the other staff, although I agreed to doing it with the other staff. But the city attorney clearly in the charter reports to City Council and the mayor, but that has not always happened. I can give you a hundred examples of that. I wonder if I could make a motion to strip out the other employees and just put city attorney in there and see what happens.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:08PM This motion has now failed, so that language is out. In new business, you could pass a motion to bring that back. Would you agree with that?

3:30:20PM Go ahead, Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

3:30:21PM This is your opportunity to make amendments to the language if that's council's choice. But it doesn't have to.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:27PM We just passed a motion to reject the language.

Martin Shelby

3:30:32PM As it is stated. But now there is a motion to amend the language.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:36PM Wouldn't that have failed completely? Wouldn't it have been off the table?

Martin Shelby

3:30:40PM No.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:42PM If it's okay with council, I'm fine with it.

Luis Viera

3:30:44PM I plan on voting against it, I second to do this.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:50PM Without objection, we'll go ahead and take a substitute amendment to remove staff and insert city attorney. I have a motion --

Lynn Hurtak

3:31:02PM I want to see the language again.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:04PM Cttv, can you get the language up again for us? Thank you. For the one we just moved through. The language is to remove all the staff and insert city attorney. I have a motion and I have a second. Any discussion?

Luis Viera

3:31:21PM Briefly, if I may. Same thing, this would leave way too much discretion at the hands of one council member in order to potentially threaten a city attorney. We can't have that. Same rationale. I seconded it to move forward, but same issues.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:38PM I have a motion and second. Roll call, please.

The clerk

3:31:42PM Miranda?

Alan Clendenin

3:31:43PM To remove the city attorney.

Charlie Miranda

3:31:46PM No.

Guido Maniscalco

3:31:48PM No.

Lynn Hurtak

3:31:50PM Yes.

Naya Young

3:31:51PM No.

Luis Viera

3:31:53PM No.

Bill Carlson

3:31:55PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:57PM For the same reasons I stated earlier, no.

The clerk

3:31:59PM Motion failed with Miranda, Maniscalco, young, Viera, and Clendenin voting no.

Alan Clendenin

3:32:06PM I think those were the only two that we had. Hearing none, now what the order of business is, we've accepted the -- all the other language that Mr. Tinkler Has brought before Tampa City Council. I need a motion to set the first readings of the charter amendment ordinance for November 5, 2026 At 10:30 a.m. with the language that's been agreed to by council today.

Luis Viera

3:32:31PM I will motion for that if I may but with the idea, there are a lot of things I support. One I don't. I still have that objection but I'm moving it forward.

Alan Clendenin

3:32:40PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:32:42PM Do you want me to approve all of them just for safety?

Alan Clendenin

3:32:50PM The ordinance will come back. We're basically saying bring it back for ordinance reading which will have the exact language. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

3:32:56PM Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. To be clear, as agreed with a discussion with Mr. Tinkler, these are ordinances. They are going to be each unto itself a separate reading and public hearing. Is that understood by council?

Alan Clendenin

3:33:11PM Correct.

Lynn Hurtak

3:33:13PM I make a motion to set the first readings of the charter amendment ordinances for November 5, 2026, At 10:30 a.m.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:21PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Viera. All those in favor -- roll call, please.

Guido Maniscalco

3:33:31PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

3:33:32PM Yes.

Naya Young

3:33:33PM Yes.

Luis Viera

3:33:35PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

3:33:37PM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

3:33:37PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:39PM Yes.

The clerk

3:33:41PM Motion carried unanimously.

Lynn Hurtak

3:33:43PM I make a motion to set the second readings and adoption public hearing of the charter amendment ordinances for November 19, 2026, at 11 a.m. as the first item after swearing in of the district 7 council member, or shortly thereafter, and direct the city clerk to publish the legal notice advertising the public hearings, both public hearings.

Alan Clendenin

3:34:04PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak and second from Councilman Miranda. Roll call.

Martin Shelby

3:34:15PM The clerk informed me that the only one that's required to be legally advertised, madam clerk, is the second reading and adoption public hearing.

Lynn Hurtak

3:34:26PM Let's just approve this.

Alan Clendenin

3:34:27PM Roll call, please.

Lynn Hurtak

3:34:28PM Yes.

Naya Young

3:34:32PM Yes.

Luis Viera

3:34:34PM Yes.

Bill Carlson

3:34:35PM Yes.

Charlie Miranda

3:34:37PM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

3:34:38PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

3:34:39PM Yes.

The clerk

3:34:41PM Motion carried unanimously.

Lynn Hurtak

3:34:42PM I make a motion to direct the city clerk to publish the legal notice for the first reading of the charter amendment ordinances on November 5, and advertising --

Martin Shelby

3:34:59PM I heard first and second.

The clerk

3:35:04PM That was for the second reading.

Alan Clendenin

3:35:06PM We're good. Very good. Mr. Tinkler, thank you for your patience. Thank you for the work you did. We look forward to seeing you on the first readings.

Ken tinkler

3:35:19PM Sounds good. I appreciate it, council. We will finalize the documents and hand them over to marty and the city attorney.

Martin Shelby

3:35:27PM If I can, you received communication from the administration of a deadline for them to get it to put it through the process, is that right? Do you remember that? I believe it was the end of October.

Ken tinkler

3:35:38PM I believe so. We will have it done immediately.

Martin Shelby

3:35:41PM If not sooner. Thank you so much.

Lynn Hurtak

3:35:46PM Thank you. Appreciate it. We're moving to the last item which is the public hearing for item 84. We still have all of our hearing procedures?

3:36:05PM It is the same one.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

3:36:07PM Second packet for item 84.

Lynn Hurtak

3:36:11PM Marty, we need the second packet. He's coming. Thank you. Go right ahead.

Camaria Pettis-Mackle

3:36:33PM Camaria Pettis-Mackle from the Legal Department. Agenda item 84 is regarding a petition for review regarding zoning application de 1-26-130 for the property located at 1905 West Kathleen Street. The petitioner for this matter is jamco Tampa, incorporated. They filed an application with the City of Tampa zoning department requesting a waiver of the requirement of code section 27-241 of the City of Tampa code. Staff denied the request on August 7, 2026. And Mr. Cotton is present to explain why staff denied the request for the waiver of code section 27-241. In the packet that City Council has received is a copy of code section 27-61, a sample motion, and most importantly, the rules of procedure for City Council to use in order to conduct this review hearing. As provided in code section 27-61, subsection j-3, City Council is going to conduct a de novo review hearing, which means you are entitled to accept new evidence regarding this matter. At the conclusion of this hearing, City Council can affirm the decision of the Zoning Administrator and deny the request for de 1-26-130 or City Council can overturn the decision of the Zoning Administrator and therefore approve the request in de 1-26-130. Just for the record, code section 27-241 is regarding the West Tampa overlay district development design standards. That is the title of that code section. And I'll turn it over to Mr. Cotton to provide an overview of why staff denied the request. Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. As Ms. Pettis-mackle just indicated, review of de 1-26-130, property at 1905 West Kathleen Street. Camaria went over this. Basically, the applicant does not want to use the alley and wants to use a front driveway. As indicated, code section, West Tampa, the overlay district is the open and used, if the alley is open and being used, a new development is supposed to use that alleyway. You can see on the aerial, blow this up a little bit. This is the alley in question. Comes off of fremont and runs down the block. These two homes, which I'll show in another picture in a moment, utilize the alleyway. Both corner lots. This is the subject property highlighted in red. This is the site plan that was submitted. Again, they are showing a driveway off the front. No access off the alleyway. Staff in our review denied the request. You can see on the elevations it is a front-loaded garage. This is, again, another aerial. These two lots, which are highlighted below do use the alleyway. It is a paved alley. This is the lot in question for the subject property. And then this is the alley access off of north fremont. It is actually a paved access. The alley is paved. There is a drive apron. And then off of albany, the same thing, the alley is paved and an apron that goes into the alleyway itself. Do you have any questions? Thank you much. Nice to meet you, council. Yes, there is a paved road leading to the alley access. I would like to start with some photographs that I took of the alley. Start with the alley access here. This is the entrance. As you can see over here on the left-hand side, there is broken gravel. A picture here at nighttime entering the alley. The only lit is the entrance. It's pure black, pure dark once you get inside of it. This is alley access. Just before the subject property. That is 1903 west kathleen on the left, 1904 west Aileen. The property here at issue is 1905 west kathleen. As you can see, it's overgrown. Not maintained at all. In the denial from the zoning department, it's a ten-foot alley. What isn't mentioned at all in the denial is structures that are there that can't be moved. It's mentioned that there are none of those. That's just not the case. As I photographed, just before you get to the property, there are two utility poles. That are within the alley. The property here is the neighboring to 1905. 1905 is the subject property. I measured the difference between the pole, nine feet 11 inches. Property owner drives a ford raptor. Eight feet wide. Less than a foot on each side when driving and especially when not a maintained alley. Talking about car damage for people that have to use in the middle part of this alley. Additionally, makes extremely difficult maneuvering into a property. One of the mentioned I wanted to make about the denial, it mentions section 27-283.12a. It talks about what is required when an alley is used. It talks about the public works being involved, do an evaluation. My understanding that public works is no longer a department. I'm not sure what department would have to -- would have that new authority. Maybe the Mobility department. But no one was ever sent out to make sure this alley could be accessed still from the houses within the alley. No one was sent out to see if there was any structures that were in the way. So that evaluation was never done. I think if that evaluation was done, this application probably would have been approved from the tightness, two poles and the access that can't be moved, the maneuvering to put a garage in the back of the property. The last component, what the zoning and for the City Council has taken into consideration is safety. It's not a lit alley. It has debris. It has over-branches. The other homes on the alley do not use the alley. Most of them are blocked, fenced, privacy. Anybody coming in the alley, that's dangerous. 400 feet to run straight through them or 120 feet to run back. That's about it. Or hopefully you have a good -- jump an eight foot fence. That's about the only access you have. Just beyond the property, as you can see, it's extremely overgrown. The only real access that this homeowner has would be to make a left-hand turn off of fremont and get to their property, which is the third property down. There's not a chance that they could go down north albany, make a right, down roughly 350 to 400 feet without getting car damage. I find that to be a reasonable assumption. As you can see, this is a nighttime photo that I took with flash. Again another pole, not the same pole I took before, in the alley with overgrown. Just to highlight the darkness of this alley. You can't see ahead of you. I understand you have car life, but some people walk. They want to go to a local place, they are not walking in the back. The city doesn't use the alley for the dump. Everybody uses the front. The local dumpsters pick up trash from the front of the house. Safety component, I use front alley access -- sorry, front loading access from kathleen is probably the safest option. In terms of pedestrian interactions, I think we're going to have more pedestrian interactions in the alley than we do in kathleen. Just because it's so tight. If a car is coming down one way and not the other, they are stuck. Who will move out of the way. In terms of the character of the neighborhood. All these houses on kathleen use, they don't have maybe perhaps front loading garages but they all park in front or they use a carport. It doesn't necessarily change the fabric or the character of this neighborhood. If you have any questions, I'm available.

Lynn Hurtak

3:46:17PM Do you plan on putting a light if you have to put a garage? Exceptions. They do look at all the alleys when people come in to ask for the waiver, not to have to use the alleyway.

Alan Clendenin

3:46:52PM And weeds and growth, how does staff deal with that?

Eric Cotton

3:46:58PM Weeds and growth, I think we've all heard Ms. Sanchez here when she was spoken in front of council. Alleys can be cleared. If it's a used alley, especially when it's paved. It is the responsibility of the adjacent property owners to maintain the alleyway. Theoretically, trees could be trimmed, bushes growing in the alley could be removed.

Alan Clendenin

3:47:22PM Thank you, Mr. Cotton. Any other questions? Do you have a rebuttal from that part? That mobility went out there. I'm not sure if they actually went and viewed the property themselves. In terms of debris and bushes, we're talking about the whole street having to be put on notice to conduct that.

3:47:47PM I didn't say anybody from the public because I don't believe the reporter from the Tampa Bay times will have any public comment on this, hearing no public comment, motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Hurtak, do you have a motion?

Lynn Hurtak

3:48:03PM I move to uphold the Zoning Administrator's denial of de 1-26-130 for the property located at 1905 West Kathleen Street because the petitioner failed to provide competent and substantial evidence to waive the requirements of section 27-241 subsection e, subsection 2, subsection 5, subsection I of the City of Tampa code that if an existing lot is adjacent to an open and used public alley vehicular access to the site shall be provided from the alley as the primary vehicular access point provided it meets minimum standards referenced in section 27-283-12 off-street parking space standards based on the criteria set forth in section 27-60 of the City of Tampa code for the following reasons: the testimony from the Zoning Administrator that mobility did, in fact, go out and clear this and say that it was an acceptable alley use. And that it follows the West Tampa overlay.

Alan Clendenin

3:49:12PM I have a motion. Do I have a second? Is there a second? I'll second it. I have a motion and second to uphold the Zoning Administrator's decision. Roll call, please.

The clerk

3:49:32PM Did we make a motion to close?

Alan Clendenin

3:49:34PM Yes, we did.

The clerk

3:49:36PM Maniscalco?

Guido Maniscalco

3:49:37PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

3:49:40PM Yes.

Naya Young

3:49:41PM Yes. Carlson is absent.

Charlie Miranda

3:49:46PM No.

Alan Clendenin

3:49:48PM Yes.

The clerk

3:49:49PM The motion carried with Miranda voting no, Viera absent at vote and Carlson being absent.

Alan Clendenin

3:49:54PM That concludes our regularly scheduled program. One second.

Lynn Hurtak

3:50:02PM I guess we'll go to new business. Councilwoman Young?

Naya Young

3:50:07PM Two things. First, I move to make a motion for presentation to be made by a representative from the Sulphur Springs museum and heritage center on January 7, 2027.

Lynn Hurtak

3:50:20PM Motion from Councilwoman Young, a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor? Aye.

Naya Young

3:50:30PM Second, as we have been talking about the charter, one of the things we discussed was the progress of city projects and having some kind of tracker. So, ultimately we decided it wouldn't be in the charter. It would be in ordinance. I've been working with city legal to have -- been working with city legal to get a draft, a resolution. We never actually made an actual motion. They need a motion to have some definitive action as to what we want to happen. I kind of drafted something. If council approves, then we can move to do that. The two questions that I do have, for the report, are we thinking each year or quarterly report? And then also for the amount. What was added from the charter commission, the amount they put was hundred thousand. Do we want to keep hundred thousand or increase that number, but we need a number. What would that be?

Lynn Hurtak

3:51:45PM At least a million. Hundred thousand we would be here all day. I think a million dollars is more appropriate.

Naya Young

3:51:58PM Do we want staff to come back in December or January?

Lynn Hurtak

3:52:03PM How about every six months? Biannually.

Naya Young

3:52:11PM Biannually. When would we like them to come back with the draft resolution to discuss, December or January? First regular meeting --

Alan Clendenin

3:52:21PM How does that look?

Naya Young

3:52:23PM I don't think it's full.

Martin Shelby

3:52:29PM This would be a staff report unfinished business or consent agenda?

Naya Young

3:52:38PM A draft ordinance.

Martin Shelby

3:52:41PM An ordinance? Not a resolution.

Naya Young

3:52:44PM Not a resolution. An ordinance. Our first regular meeting in January. January 7. I move to make a motion for staff to come back for regular City Council meeting January 7 with a draft ordinance that addresses a biannual progress report identifying the current status, any current delays or issues that have arisen, anticipated completion date for each capital improvement project funded in the current capital improvement plan budget and all previously funded projects valued in excess of a million dollars including those funded in whole or in part by grants that have not been completed.

Alan Clendenin

3:53:38PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. I have a second from Councilman Miranda. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:53:45PM My question is, is this Planning to be a dashboard? Or is this something that they'll come and present? If they come and present, even things over a million dollars are going to take hours because there are hundreds of projects.

Naya Young

3:54:01PM That's what I'm asking you all.

Lynn Hurtak

3:54:05PM I think a dashboard that has to be updated every six months might be a better use. Because if the constituents are asking, they'll have a place to go every six months. It will be up for six months. It will be a place they can go constantly, but maybe staff comes to us and says, hey, we've updated it, here are five important ones we think you should know about, but if you want to know about more, go to the dashboard?

Naya Young

3:54:39PM I'm fine with that. This is more so, we want accountability, know what is happening with the projects. What is the best way to do that? If it is a dashboard --

Martin Shelby

3:54:50PM Sorry to interrupt. City Council attorney. There was a time you had regular reports and I think they referred to it as the big 6.

Lynn Hurtak

3:54:59PM It's the great 8. They still do them.

Martin Shelby

3:55:02PM What was the intent of the charter commission?

Naya Young

3:55:09PM The intent was that there were other projects. For example, one of the things that came up with Chair Clendenin with his wanting to pave some of the roads. What was happening with that? We had allocated money to pave the roads, but it was taking some time for it to happen. What was the delay? Why was that happening? There are other projects that maybe are not on that great 8 but big projects or grant-funded projects within our district, and we want to know what's happening, whether it is a park or a boardwalk. We have the Sulphur Springs boardwalk we just allocated 1.5 million to. So we would like to know, if it becomes too far out, what's happening with that. Why is it taking so long? This is some kind of mechanism to say that even though it's not in the great 8 or not one of the capital projects, it's still a project that has money allocated to it and we want to get it done.

Hagar Kopesky

3:56:08PM Hagar Kopesky, City Council budget analyst. I know respectfully this is something we need to respond to in relation to what the commission brought forward. I would counter this is really important and I know that's why they are doing it. I like you brought it out. I do feel it needs a little more time to flesh out even amongst this group and me. I would like to help you with that. Although I know you identified some things for the ordinance that have to do with frequency and materiality, I will tell you preliminarily I think the million is actually too low. I just want to be very productive and effective in what they are trying to accomplish here. I feel like this might be a bit rushed to be so specific. Would you be open to possibly fleshing out some of this? It could be briefings between us individually, in order to make sure we nail whether it is a dashboard -- yeah, I think we have a little more homework to do to make it effective.

Naya Young

3:57:12PM That works for me. This came out of the charter conversation. Come back with this. That's why we're here today.

Hagar Kopesky

3:57:21PM I think it was a good suggestion. For the record, I want to make sure we get the details.

Alan Clendenin

3:57:25PM What I'm hearing is not a motion today, but go back with staff, work with staff and Hagar to come back for the motion.

Naya Young

3:57:32PM I'll work with Hagar and also legal to come back with something. Do I need to make a motion to do that?

Martin Shelby

3:57:40PM Yes. I spoke with Mr. Steady this morning. That's exactly right. To work with the Legal Department requires a motion of council, not an individual council member.

Naya Young

3:57:50PM I make a motion to work with our budget analyst and City staff to work on an ordinance that will be a progress report for city projects. Yes, accountability ordinance.

Martin Shelby

3:58:09PM Would you like to keep the January 7 date?

Lynn Hurtak

3:58:13PM No.

Martin Shelby

3:58:15PM You don't have to, but you need a tickler to at least recognize --

Naya Young

3:58:20PM We'll be working together.

Hagar Kopesky

3:58:22PM I would say holding that date still seems sufficient from a time span, in between those two and a half months, we should have plenty of time.

Alan Clendenin

3:58:31PM I have a motion. Can I get a second? Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Anything else? Councilwoman Hurtak?

Lynn Hurtak

3:58:43PM No.

Guido Maniscalco

3:58:44PM Real quick, very happy birthday to the Tampa theatre. Today, hundred years ago it opened. They are celebrating tonight. I'm sure some of us will be there. That's it.

Alan Clendenin

3:58:54PM Councilman Viera.

Luis Viera

3:58:55PM Is Charlie Miranda gone?

Alan Clendenin

3:58:58PM He did.

Luis Viera

3:59:01PM I did have some commendation motions. I'll do them later. I wanted to feel council out on this and I wanted Charlie to be here for this. I like transparency and all that kind of stuff. I'm out on November 2 at midnight. For me, getting my part of the community benefits agreement is something that is very, very important to me. I've talked about a lot of things. Worked with the team on a lot of different things and talk to the community on love different things. How does the council feel on a special call meeting to address the community benefits agreement before November 2 at midnight? Again, I say that, I want Charlie here for that. I regret that. I want your all's feelings on that.

Lynn Hurtak

3:59:45PM Is there really a reason that you don't think we would carry on your goals?

Luis Viera

3:59:51PM I only say that -- very good question, Councilwoman Hurtak -- I only say that because it's one of those -- I do trust you all on that hundred percent. I would rather be here because I know the seat will be open for a few weeks. You never know what will happen, right? I say that to poll you guys.

Lynn Hurtak

4:00:09PM As long as it's not the week of the 29th.

Alan Clendenin

4:00:12PM Like the only week we have.

Luis Viera

4:00:15PM November 2. Is that something open?

Alan Clendenin

4:00:17PM I can only do November 2 if it is in the afternoon -- council chambers is not available.

Luis Viera

4:00:32PM I wish Charlie was there for this.

Guido Maniscalco

4:00:34PM Sunday morning, 8:30?

Luis Viera

4:00:38PM November 2, I'm good.

Alan Clendenin

4:00:39PM I'm not here on November 2.

The clerk

4:00:49PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

4:00:53PM And something at night.

The clerk

4:00:54PM Yes, ARC at 5:30.

Alan Clendenin

4:01:02PM I'm not available.

Luis Viera

4:01:04PM In the morning?

Alan Clendenin

4:01:06PM Yeah.

Luis Viera

4:01:09PM At midnight I resign. November 2, I'm available, can we do it out of this room? Do we have to do it in this room?

Alan Clendenin

4:01:24PM Again, I'm not available November 2.

Luis Viera

4:01:26PM At all.

Alan Clendenin

4:01:31PM 29th, Councilwoman Hurtak, is it something you want to be here for?

Lynn Hurtak

4:01:37PM Why wouldn't I? We generally keep that week reserved. Like I said, I have doctor appointments with my mother. I can't -- I'm her only person.

Alan Clendenin

4:01:55PM If the 29th is the only day we could do it, though -- I say go for the 29th. I apologize, but it's the only day.

Luis Viera

4:02:11PM Councilwoman Hurtak, again, you are a professional, I like to give you courtesy and respect. Would the 29th --

Lynn Hurtak

4:02:19PM No. I'm with my mom. She has doctor appointments. Just like you have to go with your mom with an accident. I had my mom with an accident. She has some mris getting done. I promised I would be there for that.

Luis Viera

4:02:32PM So there's also, gosh, there is the 21st, the 20th, the 19th.

Martin Shelby

4:02:45PM If I can, Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. There is a notice requirement. Three days minimum. But the other thing is, in order to get that to council, have you talked to the administration in terms of what it's going to take for them to get through the process? Is the agreement complete, ready to be uploaded for a next week meeting?

Luis Viera

4:03:14PM Yeah --

Alan Clendenin

4:03:15PM Make a motion for the 29th and see where it goes.

Luis Viera

4:03:19PM I don't want to do that. I'm being honest. I make a motion for the 23rd. Oh, you're not going to be there.

Alan Clendenin

4:03:29PM I won't be here either.

Luis Viera

4:03:31PM How about the 21st?

Lynn Hurtak

4:03:35PM No.

Luis Viera

4:03:39PM How about the 20th?

Lynn Hurtak

4:03:40PM I can do the 20th.

Luis Viera

4:03:47PM If there is a challenge on procedural issues with the administration, we can deal with that.

Lynn Hurtak

4:03:54PM In the morning.

Martin Shelby

4:03:59PM We have the workshop on what date?

4:04:03PM 22nd. Two days later. Council needs everything by when in onbase.

Lynn Hurtak

4:04:11PM Tomorrow.

Alan Clendenin

4:04:11PM It's not going to be ready.

Luis Viera

4:04:18PM The 22nd, we have a workshop that day. Why don't we have it that day?

Alan Clendenin

4:04:24PM Her and I are not going to be here.

Lynn Hurtak

4:04:26PM What does the lawyer have to say? Rebecca Johns, Legal Department. The agreement is almost finalized. I'm still waiting for the rays to come back with their final proposal.

Luis Viera

4:04:49PM We can't even do it. I don't think for public notice services we could have it to you and to the public to review in time for that.

4:05:03PM Here is the deal. You all got to work it out, either the 29th or the 2nd. One council member out the 29th or one on the 2nd. We need to reach a compromise on that. That will give us -- one of the two days will give us more than enough time.

Alan Clendenin

4:05:18PM Make a motion for the 29th. If it dies, we'll go to the second one. Somebody want to make a motion for the 29th? I make a motion for special call meeting on October 29. Second from Councilwoman Young. All those in favor aye. Opposed?

Lynn Hurtak

4:05:39PM Nay.

The clerk

4:05:40PM Motion carried with Hurtak voting no. Carlson and Miranda absent.

Alan Clendenin

4:05:45PM 9:01 a.m. 9:00 in the morning, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Martin Shelby

4:05:56PM Ms. Johns, does that give the staff and legal enough time to be able to address --

Rebecca Johns

4:06:04PM We can have the agreement to council and uploaded for the public by the 22nd.

Luis Viera

4:06:12PM This is what I'll do, by the way, if there are other dates that become available with Councilwoman Hurtak, please let me know. How shall I say this? I want this to happen, but Councilman Miranda is not here. You have a conflict, if other things can be amended, let's please do that. This is very imperfect. Put it that way.

Alan Clendenin

4:06:33PM We're done with that. Any further new business? Motion to receive and file from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Young. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Councilman Viera, our best to your mom. We are adjourned. [ sounding gavel ] disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings may need to hire a court reporter. ▶ meeting video the information contained in these pages represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Persons requiring a verbatim transcript may need to hire a court reporter. © - City of Tampa (813) 274-8211