City Council — November 5, 2026 FINAL

Alan Clendenin

9:08:36AM We've got our technology in order. I would like to call this meeting of Tampa City Council to order. I would ask you all to stand for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance. [Moment of silence] thank you. [Pledge of allegiance] thank you very much. Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

9:09:21AM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

9:09:22AM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

9:09:23AM Here.

Naya Young

9:09:24AM Here.

Bill Carlson

9:09:25AM Here.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:27AM Here.

The clerk

9:09:28AM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

9:09:29AM Thank you very much. I need a motion to adopt the minutes of the regular session held on October 15, 2026, the workshop and evening sessions held on October 22, 2026, and the special call session held October 29, 2026. I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco, a second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye? Aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Okay. Let's go for the approval of the agenda. For those of you that maybe have been following some of this, there had been a request for presentation on 52 through 54, I would like to hear a motion to add that presentation to the December 17, 2026 meeting.

Lynn Hurtak

9:10:05AM So moved.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:06AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Martin Shelby

9:10:15AM Good morning. Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. You are holding the presentation. Are you continuing all those items --

Alan Clendenin

9:10:22AM No, we're not continuing. We'll go ahead and pass them today. They are going to come and explain to the public about the rate stuff.

Martin Shelby

9:10:27AM I understand. Those items do remain on your consent docket.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:30AM Correct.

Bill Carlson

9:10:32AM Say that again.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:33AM Items 52 through 54 on the consent doc. They had a presentation explaining everything, but that's also going to happen in December. We're going to move it today but they'll come and talk to everybody about it.

Bill Carlson

9:10:48AM I want to make a motion to have a separate vote on those three then.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:51AM Okay. Very good. We will pull 52 through 54 for separate vote.

Bill Carlson

9:10:56AM And 72 also.

Alan Clendenin

9:10:57AM And 72 for separate vote. Let's see. I have a request -- this was mine, just fyi, this is the data center, item 77, we have a request from staff because they are not ready to continue that to November 19, 2026. I have a motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I have a request from council. I have a statement I would like to read prior to public comment. Could I add that to the agenda? Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Carlson. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you so much. Any other changes to the agenda? Let's talk about staff reports.

Bill Carlson

9:11:40AM There is a -- toba asked us to move the EBO, continue the EBO again, item 80.

Alan Clendenin

9:11:51AM Item 80. Is Scott Steady in the room?

Bill Carlson

9:11:57AM They presented a few months ago, several different groups. I had a meeting with some of the toba folks and Scott Steady and his department, and there was some progress made on that, but the toba folks feel like there's additional progress they could make if they met with them again. If you all support it, I would make a motion to continue it.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:21AM Do you have a date? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

9:12:24AM My suggestion is you wait. It is a 10:00 public hearing at this time, so the motion would be out of order before then.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:31AM Thank you so much. We will hold that. Just remind me At 10:00.

Bill Carlson

9:12:36AM Can you look up and see a recommended date, please? I don't have my city phone with me.

Alan Clendenin

9:12:47AM Thank you very much. I need a motion to pull 52 through 54 and 72 as well for separate votes. Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Carlson. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. Thank you. Does anybody want to talk about staff reports? Let's go. There is no administrative update, is that correct, chief?

John Bennett

9:13:16AM No.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:17AM Okay. Very good. 111, we have a written report on the red light camera. Does anybody need further information or staff here for that? Hearing none. 112? We have a written report. You still want them? Okay. Very good.

Lynn Hurtak

9:13:33AM I think there are some changes that might need to be talked about.

Alan Clendenin

9:13:36AM Okay. We need staff for 112. 113? Everybody good? Okay. No staff. None. I have in person for 114, we'll have staff. And 115, staff, yeah.

Guido Maniscalco

9:14:01AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

9:14:01AM I have a motion from Councilman Carlson to approve the agenda with the addendum. Second from Councilman Miranda -- sorry, Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Every day that goes by, I can't tell you all apart. [ laughter ] I think the next seating chart I have to separate the two of you.

9:14:35AM I'm sorry. I'll have to object on procedural grounds. Mr. Shelby, did you have something to say about that? Okay. Very good. So, we're going to start with our commendations and presentation. I would like to recognize Councilman Miranda.

9:15:11AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

9:15:31AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Honorable members of Tampa City Council, it's my distinct honor today to be here and present the commendation of police officer of the month. We have a fantastic, I remember what the mayor said yesterday on a video I saw with her, 49 city in the United States of America and lowest one in crime in the whole country. If I remember. Make sure that is a fact. I think we ought to give them applause for what these men and women have done. [ applause ] so, we go with a presentation, officer of the month, Michael tavernier, officer of the month for November 2026. I have the chief here. The Chief Will make the presentation on what he's done to receive this honor. My pleasure to be here with all the Police Department, all the men and women work with the City of Tampa, not only from one day, but every day of their lives. They have to do what they do protecting the city risking their own lives. Chief. Brett Owen, acting Chief of Police. We're here this morning to recognize Officer Michael for his exceptional work combating child exploitation and protecting vulnerable children. Since joining the internet crimes against children squad in 2025, he handled 385 cases online child exploitation and child sex abuse material. Through extensive investigations and digital analysis, his work resulted in 19 arrests and identification of more than 20 child victims. In June of 2026, officer tavernier led a high profile investigation, artificial intelligence to create and store child sex abuse material. His work led to the suspect's arrest and protection of the children involved. In another significant case, he worked alongside state law enforcement partners to secure the arrest and conviction of offender possessing thousands of exploitative images and video. Offender was sentenced to more than 20 years in state prison. Beyond legislative sessions, he regularly assists following investigators with complex investigations, expertise in digital evidence, strong work ethic and ability to work with other agencies have made him a valuable member of the squad. Officer tavernier's dedication and investigative efforts have helped identification victims, bring dangerous offenders to justice, and make a meaningful difference in the safety of children throughout our community. Congratulations to officer tavernier on his well-deserved recognition as November 2026 officer of the month. [ applause ] recognition. I wouldn't be standing here if it wasn't for everyone else on my squad because we all do the same thing, for the most part. From searching, seizing items, digital forensics, and obviously the training that goes along. So recognize them back there as well. For that, I appreciate it. [ applause ]

9:18:43AM We're going to make the presentation. This is presented to you for your outstanding duties day in and day out and the recognition the chief just said about you.

9:18:53AM My pleasure. [ applause ] now we have some individuals who have been here waiting for a long time to come up and make a presentation of what they have done for so many years and so long. Christina with Tampa pba. We would like to thank you for your hard work and dedication to the citizens and the Tampa Police Department. We would like to present you with this flag. I'm also here on behalf of busch gardens who would like to present with you some tickets to the park to enjoy for your dedication. Thank you. [ applause ] jeff, vice president of marketing for the 1905 family of restaurants, which includes columbia, ulele, and our former employee here, Councilman Miranda. On behalf of the 1700 employees and the fourth and fifth generations of the gonzmart family, like to present with you this gift card to visit us at any restaurant. We thank you for everything you do for us. [ applause ] sir, they say it takes a village. As the mother of two young girls, I'm really glad you are part of ours. On behalf of Tampa theatre, like to present with you a membership to come see us this coming year, in our hundredth year that we're celebrating right now. Thank you so much. [ applause ] gabby pelechaty from friends of the Tampa riverwalk. We're just so grateful to have you be a part of our community. We have a riverwalk paver in your name and dinner for two aboard the yacht star SHIP. Thank you so much. [ applause ] mike mcarthur, stepp's towing service. Officer, congratulations on a job well done. Thank you for your service. Our city is definitely a safer place with you on the force. On behalf of Todd stepp and stepp's towing, we would like to present you with a hundred dollar gift card for dinner of your choice. You and your family. So enjoy it. Thank you for everything you do. Also, bill currie ford sent over a care package for you. Please enjoy their gifts as well and thank you for everything you do. [ applause ] mary dillon, straz center for the performing arts. On behalf of straz center, please accept tickets to nutcracker. Enjoy your holiday season. And thank you very much for your service to our community. Thank you. [ applause ] I want to congratulate you and thank you. I'm here on behalf of the board who brought you an annual membership to the zoo for you and your family. We always include an animal. I know Lynn always likes to know about the animal. This is a painted dog. Painted dogs are pack animals, but they are known for their fierce protection of all the cubs in the pack. I thought that was fitting listening to your story about how you protect the children of our community. Also, they are great hunters. They have an 85% success rate in getting their prey. So both qualities seem to apply to you. Thank you for your service. You are awesome. Thank you to everybody who serves. [ applause ] bay buccaneers. I just again want to thank you guys for giving us the opportunity to recognize some of the heroes in our community. First, I'd like to introduce -- you heard me talk before about our progress on the field. Well, I'd like to introduce you to our biggest free agent acquisition off the field. Our new chief impact officer, lauren gstalder. Very excited to see here. You'll see her at a lot of events you see me at to get our organization involved in the community. Today is a special day. I couldn't think of anything bigger than on her birthday to bring her to City Council. [ laughter ] happy birthday, lauren. She didn't know I was going to do that. Hearing your story as a father is amazing. On behalf of the glazer family and our entire organization, our coaches, our players, thank you. We have a tradition at one buc. Anybody that goes over and above gets their own game ball, and that's what I'm here to present to you. I'd like to thank you, your family for your sacrifice and all you do for our great community. Thank you very much. I mentioned that he is a big supporter at Raymond James Stadium as well. In his off time he's doing that. Now he will do the rob spike. I think we talked about. No fumbles.

9:23:32AM I heard on the street you told the coach you need a ground game. I did. I take full credit for that, though. [ laughter ] have a great weekend. [ applause ] he got a replacement. Much better replacement.

Alan Clendenin

9:23:56AM I agree with that. [ laughter ]

9:24:00AM Better replacement. Folks who would like to honor you. Let me just say that children being targeted is a terrible, terrible thing. We appreciate your efforts in trying to curb that. As a father of three daughters and six grandchildren, I greatly appreciate that. On behalf of Jackson's bistro, we're providing you with a gift certificate. Enjoy yourself over there for lunch or dinner. On behalf of the meat market over in old Hyde Park, enjoy yourself over there for a lunch or dinner. On behalf of ciccio restaurant group, you can enjoy yourself over there, breakfast, lunch, dinner, midnight snack. On behalf of yummy house china bistro, and I always say this but still true, the chief likes to be invited to go to yummy house. [ laughter ] service. Please take the letters and the certificate with you. [ applause ]

Charlie Miranda

9:25:21AM If you allow me one minute, I would like to say something that happened to me this weekend. Major richardson and his squad, I got a call about 8:15 in the morning from a neighbor in a house I managed, somebody had broken into a house. I went to the house and checked it out. Sure enough, the back door was crushed down and somebody living inside. I told myself, do I go in and do what I used to do in the housing projects? I took a couple of steps in and said, you know what, I can't run as fast as I used to. I come out of the house and I'm parked in the driveway and this guy opens the door, comes out with one of those racy bicycles and makes a 220 left. I get in the car and chase the guy, but at the corner of the impact, there's two cars and I couldn't get through, so I lost the guy. Finally I called the Police Department, you know, it is what it is. You got to take chances in life once in a while. Then I call the police officer, they come and did a fantastic job. They called the squad. They checked the house out. The fingerprints, this, that, and the other. I find three joints in the street -- inside the house I should say.

Alan Clendenin

9:26:38AM How hungry were you two hours later?

Charlie Miranda

9:26:43AM You tried them out. Anyway, they come in and the fellow had disappeared. However, the next morning, the same night at 1:25 in the morning, there is a big knock on the door. Well, maybe this guy comes to see me. But it was a police officer, I mean, a big guy. And he was telling me that they caught the guy. Back in the house, got the bed he left in there. The dog sniffed him out. Down the street, another empty house. The dog found the scent to the house and got the guy in jail. I want to thank the Police Department for what they have done, not for me, the whole neighborhood. They acted very professionally and did a job well done. Thank you very much. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:27:30AM Thank you on behalf of Tampa City Council. Thank you so much for what you do as Councilman Miranda said, protecting our children should be our number one goal in all aspects of our duties and responsibilities as public servants. I think from now on, you should use the poppa delta as your call sign, painted dog. That's perfect. You should be referred to as officer painted dog.

Bill Carlson

9:27:54AM We have a rule we're not supposed to say anything except for the chair, but in this case, somebody mentioned being a parent, I have three sons, and two of them are still under 18. Unfortunately, every parent has to have a discussion with their kids from the first time they are exposed to any technology or when they go out anywhere. Maybe it was scary when I was a kid, but we didn't know about it. But now you see there are so many threats to kids. Unfortunately, they have to grow up being taught how to protect themselves and what to look out for. But as everybody knows, that's still not enough because kids can still get snared. So I could never do your job. I can't even watch a movie where something happens bad to kids because I have kids. I can never, ever do your job. I so respect it and appreciate you doing it and your whole team, every child out there, we need to protect them. The childhood traumas lead to so many things later in life and we shouldn't allow it. We should have zero tolerance for it. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:28:53AM Thank you so much. Thank you guys for turning out today. [ applause ] thank you very much. Our next commendation, we'll do this a little differently because we have a party over here. So the Tampa City Council proudly recognizes and honors garrett greco, ashley morrow, bobby creighton, bill schifino, Stephen benson, alan cohn, alison hewitt, and unfortunately Ron christaldi, Rebecca kert, sue carlton, and kathleen shanahan were unable to attend today, but we still proudly recognize them. We recognize you for outstanding service and valuable contributions as either a City Council or mayoral appointee to the Charter Review Commission. Through countless meetings, thoughtful deliberations and the development of meaningful recommendations, they have demonstrated an unwavering commitment to strengthening our city government, promoting transparency and accountability and ensuring that Tampa continues to serve its residents effectively and responsibly. Their willingness to devote countless hours, share their knowledge and engage in the important work of evaluating city government reflects the very best in public service. Their dedication has helped shape recommendations intended to improve government operations and build a stronger, more responsive city for all those who call Tampa home. The Tampa City Council extends its deepest appreciation to these individuals for their exceptional dedication, leadership, and commitment to the people of Tampa. Their contributions remind us that good government depends not only on those elected to serve but also on citizens willing to give their time. Talents and energy to making their community better. Tampa City Council, on this day, the 5th day of November, 2026, with sincere gratitude, honors their service and lasting contribution to the City of Tampa. Thank you. [ applause ] on a personal note, as someone, along with Mr. Shelby and other staff involved in this from the very beginning, I couldn't be more pleased with the amount of work. Ashley, for your role as chair, I can speak with empathy that it is not easy to be chair of any committee. I really am very much appreciative of your talent and your dedication to guiding this committee from the beginning to the end. I don't know if anybody in the City of Tampa will understand how many hours you all have spent of your own time, showing up at these meetings at night, and all the research that is involved, the countless hours that you guys have put in. Bobby has put in. For all the countless hours of time that you guys have put in. It's amazing. You did it -- of course, we paid you so much money to do this. [ laughter ] expectations. Thank you very much. I really honestly, someone engaged in this from the very beginning, we're very appreciative of the amount of energy and effort every single one of you, regardless of who appointed you, whether it was myself, my appointee, garrett, or the others, I think we all are very appreciative of the work that you put in. 100%. Why don't you guys come back and we'll do a big group photo. You want to do comments now? Hold on. Stop. I have other council members that would like to speak. Councilwoman Young and then Councilwoman Hurtak, and then Councilman Maniscalco.

Naya Young

9:33:34AM Well, one, thank you all for all the work that you've put in. Specifically speaking to my appointee who ended up being the chair of this charter committee, I want to thank you. You did a phenomenal job. First black woman to chair the charter committee. Congrats you to and thank you for all the work you did. Thank you all for all the work you have done.

Lynn Hurtak

9:34:06AM I want to thank the researcher of the group, bobby creighton, who was my appointee. That's why I chose him. I knew he would dive in. I gave him my old binders from when I was on the Charter Review Commission and he went through all of them. He just returned them to me this morning so I can hold them for the next group. I'm really grateful for all of you. I heard about all the conversations you had, all the work you put into it. I talked to bobby regularly and I think the city is incredibly proud of the work you've done. Looking forward to the conversation today where we're going to vote on the ordinances to start putting them on the ballot. We wouldn't have had such robust ordinances if it wasn't for the conversations you all had. Thank you so much for your time. I really hope this isn't the last time that any of you serve on a city board or venture on to something else. Because it clearly, hopefully the bug has bitten and that you'll have more that you can offer the city. We have plenty of boards and commissions that are always looking for incredibly talented people and all of you fit that bill. So thank you.

Alan Clendenin

9:35:14AM And council's.

Lynn Hurtak

9:35:15AM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

9:35:17AM Somebody knows about that. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

9:35:20AM So the last Charter Review Commission was spectacular, and this is as good if not better. You are all wonderful. I know all of you, some better than others. Garrett's grandfather who officiated my wedding. Pretty close there. My appointee, Stephen benson, is here. Great guy, great family. Bobby creighton, you are just brilliant. Mr. Schifino, you are awesome. Mr. Cohn, You're great. The chairwoman, you did an awesome job, alison hewitt. I can't say enough wonderful things. Thank you for all the work you put in. This is a volunteer position. You worked for months tirelessly because it's not easy. We're very grateful that you took the time and put yourself out there and said yes to doing this, because it's not about us; it's about the whole city and the future of the city. So we really, really appreciate you. Thank you. The commendation is a small token of appreciation for the time and effort you put in. Very meaningful work. So thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

9:36:22AM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

9:36:24AM Yeah, the last Charter Review Commission was fantastic because two of us were on there. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

9:36:30AM If you say so yourself.

Bill Carlson

9:36:32AM I won't say it's better or worse. I'm not going to thank every one of you, but I think I talked to each of you along the process. It was great to hear all your different perspectives. And the thing I really like about it, you all have different perspectives, and probably each of us didn't agree with you all all the time. And that's what we wanted. We wanted the diverse interests and thoughts of the community to come together and the discussions led to, I think, a great product. My appointee was bill schifino. I appointed him because he is a former Florida bar president. And many of the issues that we've had in the city the last few years have gone around legal issues and what the Florida bar would say. Although he wasn't representing the Florida bar, I wanted to get that perspective and his perspective of what he would have done. He's also the leader of a law firm here, just hourly billing rate would have been something that the city couldn't afford to do. So we got your services for free. The same thing with the rest of you. All your time is incredibly valuable. If we had to pay, it would be really worth it. The other thing is, ashley stepping up as chair, I don't think you knew Robert's rules, you are historian and photographer, yet I don't think you knew Robert's rules and didn't know about the charter, but before it even started -- and I think all of you did this -- you jumped in and studied it. I listened to many of the meetings, and you did an outstanding job. I think the vantage of sitting on a committee like this is you stretch yourself and you learn new things. You've already proven that you've -- all of you have proven you have been great leaders in different ways. Ashley showed that she's a leader in history and photography but also a leader in running a SMART group like this. Thank you all.

Alan Clendenin

9:38:20AM Now it's picture time. Now you are politicians. [ applause ]

9:39:38AM I would like to recognize Councilman Maniscalco for our next two.

Guido Maniscalco

9:41:15AM Good morning, everyone. These are comments on behalf of Suling Lucas Harris, our wonderful, wonderful teammate here who is not here but wanted me to read these comments. She says, I'm so sorry I could not be here today to personally recognize tonia and dharsh, but I did not want this moment to pass without sharing a few words of how proud and appreciative I am of both of them. Tonia has always been someone to count on when I needed someone to step in and assist. She has done so without hesitation. When the previous clerk for the Charter Review Commission retired, tonia once again stepped up. Not only took on the responsibility of supporting the commission and meetings but when dharsh joined the office, tonia took the time to train her and make sure she was prepared to take on the responsibility. Dharsh truly took it on like a pro. From the beginning she approached the Charter Review Commission meetings with a positive attitude, willingness to learn and a commitment to doing the job well. Her growth and confidence have been wonderful to see and her attitude and willingness to take on new responsibilities are immeasurable. The work at the clerk's office often happens quietly behind the scenes but it takes dedicated employees to make sure everything runs as it should. Tonia and dharsh are two of those employees. I am extremely proud of the work they have done for the Charter Review Commission and I am grateful to the City Council for recognizing them today. Tonia and dharsh, congratulations on this well-deserved recognition and, most importantly, thank you for always being willing to step up when I need you. That's on behalf of Suling. Congratulations. Thank you very much for all your work. [ applause ] wow, Suling, great speech. I really appreciate it. I just wanted to say, this was such an intellectually fulfilling experience for me and to be supported by, I would like to say the greatest department in the City of Tampa was really truly such an honor. And to be with such great decision makers and to learn from them was definitely an experience that I will remember for a lifetime. Just in general, I'm very grateful. Thank you. [ applause ]

Alan Clendenin

9:43:31AM Thank you, dharsh. You are incredible. We enjoyed you when you were behind the wall over here, but really happy to see you grow and be more successful as you continue. I can't wait to see where you end up in a few years. You've got nothing but just blue sky in front of you. Thank you so much. [ applause ]

9:43:57AM Now I would like to recognize Councilman Miranda. Getting his steps in.

Charlie Miranda

9:44:18AM Mr. Chairman, honorable members of City Council, it is my indeed pleasure to represent the City of Tampa, Tampa Bay Water for many years. I want to say never had a better leader in Tampa Bay Water than Chuck Carden, the general manager who is here today, along with Michelle, the chief of staff and kathleen, who is the administrative strategist. Let me tell you something, we produce 82 million gallons of water in the City of Tampa. They do a little over 200 million a day. That alone tells you, and I don't know how many miles they have of pipeline that they have throughout the counties from new port richey all the way down to south Hillsborough county. And they do a fantastic job. These are the individuals that run it. They do a fantastic job. I'm going to say no more because they know all the information. Chuck Carden.

Alan Clendenin

9:45:06AM Good morning, sir.

Chuck Carden

9:45:10AM Good morning.

Alan Clendenin

9:45:10AM Start with your name, please.

Chuck Carden

9:45:12AM Thank you for having me here today. My name is Chuck Carden. I'm the general manager of Tampa Bay Water, as Charlie Miranda just told you. Our agency was formed in 1998 by the member governments that we serve, including Hillsborough county, pasco county, pinellas county, and the three cities, new port richey, st. petersburg, and the City of Tampa. As Councilman Miranda said, he has served on the Tampa Bay Water board for many, many, many years, and has done a wonderful job representing this city and their interests. Since my last update last year, we have been very busy expanding our water supply system to ensure we meet future demands. I'm supposed to have a powerpoint loaded up.

Alan Clendenin

9:46:03AM Ask and you shall receive. Cttv, he's telling us that's the wrong one.

9:46:38AM Wing it.

Chuck Carden

9:46:42AM Yes, no pictures today. Imagine in your head. During water year 2026 that just ended September 30, we supplied the members with an average of 202 million gallons a day. Of that, the City of Tampa purchased 6.53 million gallons a day. Generally, that's a higher number than in the past. Sometimes we do not supply any water to the city. Yourself supplies up to 82. But I'll show you a slide here in a minute that's going to show you the growth and the demands, and that number will increase over the years. Our system includes 13 well fields, which include two water intakes to supply it. We have a desalination plant and we have a 15 billion gallon reservoir and 21 points of connection that we serve our members. We have been over the last year closely monitoring the drought conditions that have been present for a while. And based on our recent rainfall and the improved river flows, we have moved from a stage 3 drought -- severe drought to a stage 2 as of November 1. The region just received about 6.5 inches in October, which is almost 4 inches above normal for that month. It never really rains during the times that we've been getting the rain. That all being said, the great news, as of this morning, I woke up, we had 14.99 billion gallons in the reservoir, which means it is full. Mid July we were around 2.1 billion. Just to give you an idea of how far we came in so little. Generally I don't count on any rains after October 1. We're usually done filling it by October 1. Here we got full. Everything is very good in that regard. Our desal plant has been running for the last year and a half straight through. We usually rest it sometimes during the year. We didn't have a chance over the drought conditions. It's been averaging about 12 million gallons a day. We supply all the water to all the members 24 hours, 7 days a week. We charge everyone the same wholesale rate of $2.66 per thousand gallons. We also use a blend of three sources of water that we sell. That includes groundwater, surface water, and the desal. They all have varying cost. Desal is the most expensive. The groundwater is the cheapest. And that way as we blend them and the different percentages, we can provide that $2.66 to our members, which is a very affordable cost. Our next -- the budget we're in right now, our production is to have 57% be the groundwater and the rest remaining between the desal plant and the river, our surface plant. The growth projections for the next 20 years for Hillsborough and pasco county to be our largest growth, including the City of Tampa. So I told you earlier you purchased about 6.53 million gallons a day, and that's a pretty big number, but that number is going to be increasing over the next several years because of the growth that you are experiencing here in the city. Right now our active CIP budget includes basically three major projects. That includes we are expanding our surface water treatment plant. We're adding a fifth. Our plant and the city's plant is almost identical in the process. I know you've done a lot of work expanding your plant or modifying it, upgrading it, keeping it up to speed. Our plant is very similar. We use similar waters. So we learn from each other, and we talk a lot between the two plants. We're expanding our plant. It will now be 145 million gallons a day, which will yield about 12.5 million to the future. Future demands. We also approved a designer to start working on a new well field in south Hillsborough county. That is something that is an innovative project where we are using a combination of buying permits from private third-party individuals, and also we would be able to use reclaim credits. Hillsborough county currently puts reclaimed water, treated reclaimed water down into Wells, and we are working on getting a permit if we buy those credits from them, we could turn that into fresh drinking water inland. The well field is about three or four miles from where they are injecting the reclaimed. The other project we're working on is a pipeline. It's 26 miles. And it will leave our surface water treatment plant in Brandon and head all the way down to the balm area. That will serve a very fast growing south Hillsborough county area. We just started working in March. Had to acquire 205 parcels, and we're working very hard putting in the microtunnels. We've got 7 out of the 17 done. And we're doing open trench. I believe they are about 15% along the way. So that pipeline will be in service at the end of 2028. I also want to talk a little bit about the future. At Tampa Bay Water, we have the unequivocal obligation to always provide the water our members need. So there is a very robust Planning cycle we go through. It's called the master water plan. So we do this Planning every five years. Basically we look at future demands and project out, and then we start brainstorming different projects and different supplies that could come online. Currently, we have six projects that we selected to go to feasibility. And that is from the 2023 master water plan. So we're completing that. The board Will be asked to select several projects or one project for the future to get us through 2033. The same time at our last board meeting, the board approved a task to start the 2028 master water Planning cycle. That will carry us beyond the 2033 time frame. Of the six projects, three of them would have surface water components, and the other three have groundwater components to them. So we'll be looking at those and bringing it back to our board next year, and then we will be starting on the design and construction of the next projects. The water that we provide meets or surpasses all the local, state, and federal standards. As those standards change, we have to take proactive steps to always meet the regulations. So the last time I presented to you, EPA had just issued new regulations that take in effect 2029, including the pfas rules and regulations. We already meet the new standards, but there are three connection points in Hillsborough county with us that are slightly above the new regulations. We've been studying not only the pfas treatment but also reducing total organic carbon in our system. Just last April, our board approved moving forward for some design of the treatment at five different sites. Three for pfas reduction and two for total organic carbon reduction. So we're just starting that work effort in order to make those deadlines. We continue to work very closely with the staff of all our member governments. And we have very open and transparent discussions about all water topics. I mentioned earlier we had the yearlong drought. City of Tampa shares a lot of similarities with their plant, your plant and our plant. And so we are on a phone call every Thursday. My staff, including myself, got on the phone call weekly during the height of the drought with rory and his staff, and we coordinated very closely, worked with each other, and helped each other. So it was a great effort. I want to thank rory and his staff and all the cooperation we got. And we worked very good together. I just wanted to mention that before my close here. I'll be happy to take any questions.

Charlie Miranda

9:55:25AM [Inaudible] [microphone not on] -- 1988 operation when Tampa Bay Water and Tampa merged to work together to make it better. Tampa Bay Water is composed of pasco county, Hillsborough county and pinellas county, cities of new port richey and the City of Tampa and the city of st. petersburg. And the gentleman to his left, immediate left, Rory Jones, who is responsible for all these conversations that we've had, he's had, anyway, with Tampa Bay Water, make sure that everyone in those three counties have the ability to turn on the faucet and get water. Rory Jones has done a fantastic job, not only doing that, thinking we're in the future and changing the operation at the water plant, how to make it more efficient and much better, less cost. So both of those gentlemen are really the ones responsible in the City of Tampa for making the steps, going forward to make sure everyone in the City of Tampa has water. It's not an easy job. The head of Tampa Bay Water, from the head of the City of Tampa department, Brad Baird, to the gentleman who runs a plant, it is a very intense job. It's a job that's 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, you cannot make a mistake. I want to thank all three of you for doing that.

Chuck Carden

9:56:42AM Thank you very much.

Lynn Hurtak

9:56:43AM I really appreciate the update. It's always good to know what Tampa Bay Water is up to. The one thing I didn't hear you mention was anything about conservation as we go through this. Could you talk a little bit about what Tampa Bay Water is doing to try to incentivize member governments to conserve?

Chuck Carden

9:57:01AM Yes, very good question. And I thank you for bringing that up. The program we have at Tampa Bay Water is called water wise. It's in conjunction -- we work with the Southwest Florida Water Management District. They supply some of the monies for us. Basically, it involves 12 different rebates that we offer to the customers to incentivize them to change out their appliances, sprinkler heads, even large industrial projects, we offer incentives and rebates. Our goal is to save 3.8 million gallons a day by the year 2032, and we started the plan in I think it was 2020 we rolled it out at very inopportune time when covid just started, off to a slow start and almost close to 1.5 million gallons a day saved. What we like to tell the board is, we'll take it -- the savings versus not building something and show them how much cheaper it is. Right now we're showing them to save the water we have, it's like 66 cents per thousand. And those 6 projects that we're studying to have the board select, the cheapest one is like $4 per thousand. So you can see how not building something is the cheapest way to go. So we are very, very cognizant in wanting to make sure conservation is a big part of everyone's mindset.

Alan Clendenin

9:58:21AM Thank you. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

9:58:24AM Yeah, I think everybody knows because it was publicized eight years ago, I was involved as a consultant with Tampa Bay Water and the beginning of Tampa Bay Water. A couple of the staff members here were involved way back then in the creation of it. Ed turanchik, Steve seibert, jerry maxwell, were you on the board back on '98.

Charlie Miranda

9:58:50AM Been on the board since --

Bill Carlson

9:58:55AM It is recognized as one of the best examples of regional cooperation in the world. It is the only example of regional cooperation that we have in the Tampa Bay area. There have been several attempts like TBARTA, Tampa Bay Partnership, others. But this is the only one really accomplishing something and there's real collaboration going on. Folks rely on each other. So thank you to all the people that help put that together way back when. I want to ask you a couple of technical questions. You said you are using the desal plant now. People still think it's not operating. What kind of MGD do you use a day and what can you go up to? What is the capacity?

Chuck Carden

9:59:38AM Right now we're at 12 million gallons a day. Right now, I think the year we're budgeting is for it to run for 11. We use all three sources in conjunction at different times of the year. So it can produce at its max right now at 20. And we are adding two more trains to it right now, so that will take it up another five. It will be in less than a year here up of a total design of 25 million gallons a day. But we're using it at 12 right now.

Bill Carlson

10:00:07AM You mentioned the wholesale rate you have is like 2.65. Can you tell what the cost is per thousand gallons for groundwater versus the desal?

Chuck Carden

10:00:17AM Yes, sir. Years ago I started, we called it the simple principle of 1, 2, 3, dollar for groundwater, 2 dollars for surface, and 3 dollars for desal. It's not the same anymore. Desal is more than 5 and up range. Surface water is in the upper $2 range per thousand. And groundwater is between 1 and 2 dollars, $1.50 or so. Still relatively, you can get the sense between desal and groundwater.

Bill Carlson

10:00:47AM Yeah, I mentioned folks from here, when I went on vacation in Singapore over the summer, I visited the public works people. You remember in '99, Singapore prime minister came over and we showed him the desal plant or the plans for the desal plant in Tampa because we had the cheapest price in the world back then. They built three of them. They told me they hardly run them either, even though they don't have of their own water resources. They built reservoirs. The cost per thousand gallons is so expensive you don't run them much. I just wanted to explain that to the public. The last thing is how much is the city contracted to pull? I know sometimes you had to go above that. The last question before they cut me off, the alternative to toilet to tap is similar to the Hillsborough county proposal, deep well injections and then you'll try to get S.W.F.W.M.D. Credits. Could you or brad tell us the status of that and how much you think Tampa Bay Water might be willing to pay the city per thousand gallons of credit you might get?

Chuck Carden

10:01:50AM Yeah, the first part of your question, the city is not obligated, if they can self-supply up to 82 million gallons a day. Projections back in 1998 showed that was going to be fine until a certain year. I think we're talking about 11 million gallons a day in a few years, ten years from now that the city will have to buy from us, just because of growth. You will be at 92 or 93 million gallons a day as your average take. So we're putting that in our plans. It's in our plans when we're building these new projects, how much Tampa is going to need. I know you guys are renewing your permit at the same amount of 82. So the excess water will come from Tampa Bay Water. The other question you have on reclaimed in the deep well injection, probably ask brad to give you more details on your project, but it's similar, I believe, to what Hillsborough is doing.

Bill Carlson

10:02:48AM Before he answers that, can you tell us to put in context compared to -- City of Tampa has a special situation because of the river, could you tell everybody what the context is, 11 MGD for the city, what is st. pete, clearwater, new port richey -- not clearwater, st. pete, new port richey, pinellas, Hillsborough, what are they buying? Take about almost 50 million gallons a day and they are the largest. Pasco is creeping up on them. They are at I think 30. Pinellas is pretty stagnant. They actually lost over the years. They used to be 60 million gallons a day. Now they are less than 50 from us. So that in context, there are some years that Tampa hasn't even purchased water on a rainy year, your rivers are flowing and your demands are down, you don't need any water from us. But that's why we were created. That's why I believe City of Tampa joined is they knew they would need the water from us at some point, and it's been working very well for us, I believe.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:56AM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

10:03:56AM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:03:58AM I'm sorry. Brad, you wanted to add something?

Brad Baird

10:04:02AM Brad Baird, administrator of infrastructure and mobility. So the status of the recharge project at hooker's pointe or the Howard F. Curren awt plant is on schedule. We actually took bids on the Wells on Tuesday. I haven't had a chance to review those yet. We are proposing to drill five Wells on-site at about 1200 feet deep each, which would provide, we hope, water credits for the future. This project is to comply with senate bill 64 where we need to eliminate the discharge of that plant. By January 1st, 2032. Like I said, we're on schedule to do that. The initial modeling has shown that at a minimum we would produce 20.7 MGD of water credits that, of course, we would have discussions with Tampa Bay Water to provide water for the region. And that would be further inland in eastern Hillsborough county.

Bill Carlson

10:05:20AM I want to congratulate brad and rory and the team and also the Tampa Bay Water people that they are working with. The original toilet to tap, whatever project, several different official names for it, but it was going to cost the city and ratepayers a lot of money. This one, you heard we might need 11 MGD years into the future. If we can sell 20 or more MGD, that means we'll make a profit. And Tampa Bay Water will process and take care of itself, the excess to somebody else. But we will have access to that supply, and we might even -- we'll either be able to keep our rates neutral or reduce them because of that. I think hats off to the staff for coming up with a much less expensive solution that will benefit our ratepayers.

Brad Baird

10:06:03AM I do want to mention, thank you to MacDill Air Force Base, because they drilled a well one to two years ago, I believe, and that gave us the idea that we may have the same geology, same hydrogeology at hooker's pointe that macdill has, so that got us going in that direction.

Alan Clendenin

10:06:23AM Councilman Miranda, close it up.

Charlie Miranda

10:06:25AM Thank you. I'll try to, sir. If I can, Mr. President of Tampa Bay Water, I'll call you that, you've done a fantastic job. But explain the desal and detail how much pressure the water has got to go through. They tell me the size of a human hair.

Chuck Carden

10:06:42AM One-fifth of the size of a human hair.

Charlie Miranda

10:06:46AM You have to put the water through there. What are the processes?

Chuck Carden

10:06:49AM There are three easy steps. I'll say "easy steps." You take the water out, take the color out, and you take everything out of it on its way and in pretreatment to leave only salt and water. And then you pressurize that at that stage up to close to a thousand psi. Those are huge horsepower motors. They take a lot of electricity. That's generally what your cost is, to push thousand psi through little pores, one-fifth the size of a hair and traps the salt behind it and the drinking water goes through.

Charlie Miranda

10:07:23AM Thanks again, because the public is not understanding -- they are now because you are explaining to them how it is, how difficult it is to produce that type of water and. That's why it is costly. The next thing, I want to thank mayor greco in the past when he was mayor what he did was asr, aquifer storage and recovery. Greco who worked with the council members then to put that in. There's about seven or eight Wells that they dug in the way back, 30 years ago, whatever, and they do that during the rainy season, they produce more water in the plant and put it underground treated. When they need it, pump it back up, retreat it and send it out. That was mayor greco that thought of that and worked on others that he's got to be remembered for. The pyramid of receiving water, if there is a real bad drought, Tampa is not on the top. One of the bottom ones because we produce our own water. They have to be treated first. Am I correct in saying that? I want to thank you for all that. I really appreciate what you come for today and how you educated me and the rest of us and the public. It's not an easy thing to do. Very difficult to produce water, produce water for three counties and areas of millions of people. And I want to thank you for that.

Chuck Carden

10:08:39AM Well, thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:08:40AM Thank you for what you do.

Chuck Carden

10:08:42AM Thank you. Appreciate it.

Alan Clendenin

10:08:44AM I want to thank council for giving me the opportunity to read this statement that I wrote sometime between 2 and 4:30 a.m. this morning. I want to take a few minutes to talk about something that's been bothering me concerning the charter review -- the charter amendments. We've all heard the mayor tell this council more times than I can count that we need to stay in our lane. She's never been shy about reminding us what she believes our responsibilities are and where our authority ends. Apparently that advice only goes one way. Recently I requested copies of communication between the mayor's political director and members of City Council concerning the charter amendments we're considering today. What I received was pretty revealing. The mayor's political director was sending documents to individual council members criticizing several of the proposed amendments. Here's what really concerns me: these communications weren't sent to the entire City Council. They were directed to selected members. I know for a fact because I didn't receive them and I confirmed that at least other council members didn't receive them either. As many as three of the seven of us sitting on council were left out. It doesn't stop there. The records show that even among the council members who received these communications, the information was not identical. Different members received different versions with different arguments and different financial estimates concerning the very same charter amendments. Some materials were even placed in sealed envelopes and hand delivered. I find that particularly troubling. Why wasn't the same information shared to all seven council members? And why were different versions sent to different members? I have serious concerns that this was a deliberate effort to influence individual council members by selectively controlling the information they received. And after speaking directly to the mayor, I confirmed that the political director was acting under her specific direction. So this simply wasn't a staff member acting independently. The mayor was directing these communications. Now, I have absolutely no problem with the mayor disagreeing with these amendments. That's her right. But I do have a problem with the information selectively distributed to individual council members, particularly when some of this information is misleading or incomplete. For example, council members were given estimates suggesting that additional council staffing could cost nearly a million dollars, but those figures were based on hypothetical positions, not what is actually in the proposal. We were warned that allowing council to override certain executive orders could jeopardize emergency management without fully addressing what the proposed amendment actually says. And we were told that creating an independent inspector general would simply duplicate the work of our existing audit department without adequately distinguishing between routine auditing and independent investigatory authority. Those are issues worth discussing. But let's have the discussion openly with accurate information instead of distributing different arguments to different council members behind the scenes. The Charter Review Commission did a lot of work, and I appreciate that work. But its recommendations aren't the final word. This council has its own responsibility under the charter to consider amendments. And the mayor has a role in the process as well. But there is a sequence to that process, and I believe we ought to respect it. What bothers me the most is the double standard. We've all sat here and listened to the mayor tell us to stay in our lane, but apparently it comes to something she doesn't like, those same standards don't apply. I'm not suggesting the mayor can't express an opinion. Of course, she can. But there is a difference between openly expressing opposition and directing an effort to influence individual council members by selectively providing different information before we finished our deliberation. If the mayor has concerns, bring them forward. If there are legal questions, let's get the answers. And if there is a disagreement, let's have it out here in the open where the public can hear it. I don't think that's asking too much. These charter amendments aren't about any one mayor or any one council. They are about how the city is governed for years to come. And ultimately if these amendments move forward, it's not us. It's the voters of Tampa who will decide if they want them. It's the voters. I've heard the mayor tell this council to stay in our lane more times than I can count. Under the charter, our role is legislating budget and policy. The mayor's role is implementing it, not attempting to manipulate individual council members to the exclusion of others, behind the scenes and outside of the sunshine. Because the charter doesn't have one set of rules for council and another for the mayor. Thank you. Okay. Our next agenda item -- Mr. Chair? Can I address the City Council?

10:13:49AM No, sir. Not at this time. It's not an agenda item to be discussed. Councilman Carlson.

Charlie Miranda

10:13:59AM I'm confused now. If they are all true, I'm not saying they are not true, I'm just saying that the city attorney on both sides, he should be allowed to say something. I don't know what something is.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:16AM Not at this time.

Charlie Miranda

10:14:19AM Why not? I'm not being argumentative.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:22AM There is a time and place. When we get to the charter amendments. We'll go to public comment and reserve this conversation for later. Let's chime in at 1:30.

Lynn Hurtak

10:14:37AM Can you do us a favor and give us a copy of that so we can look at it over lunch? I watched it in the back.

Alan Clendenin

10:14:45AM Sam or Sebastian, can you come out and get these documents, please? I'll distribute that and submit it for the record. Public comment. Remember the public comment at the beginning of this meeting, the first public comment is on agenda items, on-agenda items only. If you are here to speak to on-agenda items, you should have filled out one of these cards reflecting your name and which agenda items you're speaking to. If it's off-agenda items, we'll get to that later in the program. The first public speaker is Stephanie hopkins. Oh, it's 10:00. Stand by one moment, please. Councilman Carlson, like to recognize you for the continuation --

Bill Carlson

10:15:48AM I think they would like to move it to December 17 or anytime thereafter. 80.

Alan Clendenin

10:15:57AM I have a motion to continue item number 80 to December --

Lynn Hurtak

10:16:03AM Item 80 is the EBO ordinance.

Bill Carlson

10:16:08AM Can we pick a later date? I think the preference is march -- that's the feedback I got.

Alan Clendenin

10:16:16AM Let me get the motion on the floor and then I'll recognize you. Councilman Carlson, give me the motion with the date.

Bill Carlson

10:16:23AM Move to continue item number 80 to March 4.

Alan Clendenin

10:16:27AM Motion to continue item 80 to March 4 from Councilman Carlson. Is there a second? Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. Mr. Brody, would you like to comment?

Carl Brody

10:16:38AM Absolutely. Thank you. Carl Brody from legal. I need to just provide a couple of clarifications. Current status of the ordinance is that any programs or opportunities we have that benefit women and minority businesses are currently suspended. They are not receiving those. If we could use the wolf real quick.

Alan Clendenin

10:17:00AM It's up.

Carl Brody

10:17:01AM All right. What does that mean if we don't move forward with this ordinance? That means that our small local businesses are stuck with 2008 numbers. So any p card purchases are limited to $2,000. The ordinance would increase that to $5,000. More opportunity for small local businesses. Any projects will be limited to 2008 levels at 300,000 instead of increased to 500,000 dollars. You see we have each general category for which the firms can participate in the sheltered market. Sheltered market means they don't have to fight against the big firms. It gives them more opportunities to be successful, more opportunities to grow. What's not there is the threshold to be a small local business is also increased. That means the more successful small local businesses will have more opportunities to be able to bid against each other and not against the big firms allowing them to grow more. The important thing is, though --

Alan Clendenin

10:18:04AM Instead of a full presentation --

Carl Brody

10:18:06AM Just a quick note. But the important thing to note is if we don't move forward with this, what we're doing is just relegating the small businesses to old 2008 standards in terms of the funding available, which is not the goal of any of us in terms of addressing both minority women and small businesses and benefiting their opportunities. Legally, there's nothing that we can do about this. I sent you memos before. Sb 34 is not changing. The legislature is the only group that can change that. And the new legislature coming in is not different than the old legislature that was there before. The president is not changing. We have two and a half more years with the same president, same rules there. We won't be able to move anything, won't be able to make any changes to benefit small minority local businesses. I think he was on my side. Move forward on this thing. Others want to speak.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:19AM This is continuance. Council discussion. Motion and second. Any council like to discuss this? Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:19:26AM I just want to say if we could divide it between helping our small businesses and focusing on what the administration, the national administration is doing, I might be more willing to support it. I'm not supporting it just because I don't think it's the right thing to do.

Alan Clendenin

10:19:46AM I'm going to support the continuation, even though I understand where we are, but I think on the political side, we did have an election and there is a little bit of a change over. We'll let things settle out. March 4, we should have a good direction of where the politics are in the state. So I think that might be a good idea. Councilwoman Young and then back to you, Councilman Carlson. Mr. Shelby, did you want to speak? Okay. Councilwoman Young. He did. It's a public hearing. It's a public hearing. I have the right to speak for or against, even if it is continued. Let's speak on the continuance.

10:20:39AM This is how we'll do it. I'm going to motion to open the public hearing. Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Why don't we do this. Even though it's not required, let's have public comment. I know a lot of you all showed up. Out of respect for those who showed up today, if you would line up against the wall, if you want to speak to the continuation, on the continuation only, please line up against the wall. Start with your name, you'll have three minutes.

Martin Shelby

10:21:08AM Mr. Chairman, if I can. Martin Shelby, City Council attorney. Just for the purposes of the record, the public hearing being opened, to incorporate the discussion that you had, the dialogue you had with Mr. Brody as part of that for the purposes of the record. And also I don't know whether council had yet determined or announced the date, time, and place of that continuance. I was out of the room. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

10:21:33AM Joseph, start with your name. Since 1990, continuously certified with the city. Help get involved with all of the changes. Here is my problem and why this needs to be continued. Get the elmo on.

10:21:56AM It's up. What I'm saying, this needs to be continued? Why? Because in my professional opinion and experience on this it does not comply with the dei prohibitions. It does not. Which will take effect on January 1st, senate bill 1134, chapter number 2026-43, Florida statute 125.595, Florida statute 166.04971, and Florida statute that's 287.139. That's a local government dei prohibition. This EBO is violating, Ms. Young, you know this because you were at the hearing when we went to the f.a.r., when these slides were presented. We need to make sure we vet that it does comply before it moves forward, not because of what toba is saying. I agree with them, too. But I'm concerned that if you pass this and go forward, even when you get total resolved, doesn't meet the dei statute, individual people that voted on it can be removed from office because of automatic call of malfeasance by the government office. I don't want you to get there, not with the way things are now. Plausible deniability, because I'm telling you in a public hearing that this EBO process, it's got a lot of words in there that shouldn't be used. It's got a lot of preferences that are violating the statute and come January 1st, all of these things will be implemented. Any contracts that the city has will be null and void if it's got anything that has the dei in it. Every vendor is going to have to certify that they don't have dei in their corporation before they can even get a contract from a government agency. So I'm here to tell you I'm on your side. I ain't agreeing with all that, but it's the law. I don't want uthmeier, who done been elected, to come down here. So I'm just telling you, make sure, when we continue it, that your attorney make sure that they see it is also in compliance with the dei law that takes effect January 1st. Because that's a problem if they don't. You don't have plausible deniability anymore because I just told you on public record.

10:24:29AM Thank you, Mr. Robinson. Stephanie. Thank you for patience. I appreciate you sticking with us on this. Start with your name, please. I am at this moment remove myself from the capacity of speaking on behalf of the committee. I am speaking to each and every one of you as a small business owner and a black woman. This continuance does what for me? Does what for other minority women? We are causing a disparity amongst our own. We have ebbs and flows in life. Just because the laws have changed for this moment in time doesn't mean that it will always be the same. The residents contributing to the 2045 vision of Tampa's plan, City Council adopted that vision July of 2022. Its theme include two clear commitments. One, a diverse economy provides opportunities for everyone. And, two, all residents have equitable access to a high quality of life and opportunity regardless of background. Regardless of background. Regardless of background. Those words describe what Tampa said it wanted to build. As you consider the future of the WMBE program today, my question is simple: how will your decision carry that vision forward into meaningful opportunities for qualified businesses, including women and minority businesses to compete for city contracts? And what is your continuance policy? Do you have one? And why are we continuing this? Those are my questions as well. Thank you.

10:26:46AM Thank you, Stephanie. Next speaker. Is this public comment or public hearing? You all got me lost today.

10:27:11AM This is only about the continuation of item 80. This is just talking about the continuation of item number 80. EBO ordinance. It's only the EBO ordinance.

10:27:42AM This is not general public comment. What is it?

10:27:50AM Valerie, do you want to help him out? You don't have a small business. We're going to talk when they call us up to talk. It's not our time. It's not public comment.

10:28:07AM Thank you, pastor. Let them talk. [ laughter ]

10:28:16AM Mr. Ransom. Start with your name, please. My name is James ransom. Thank you, council members, for always taking our calls and our messages and our conversation. We met with the mayor. We met with the city attorney. The assistant city attorney. Met with staff from procurement and the EBO office. We've just talked among ourselves and did our own research and share things with everyone. Here is what we understand. Yes, there was a former u.s. attorney general pam bondi who sent a threatening memo around the country to government organizations. The attorney general of Florida and the governor of Florida who is no longer governor as of the mid of November, we have whole new legislature in d.c. But here is the situation. The SBE program does -- it loses the targeting the advocacy for the underrepresented groups of people who are taxpayers and voters that live in Hillsborough county and have businesses. It loses that. It also reduces the access to contracts because we're competing -- those companies are competing as larger, more well-funded organizations. Anything we do to roll back or step away from what should have been better enforced in the previous, you know, status of the city MBE, EBO program is going in the wrong direction. So when we say the staff can never, ever support anything that pushes further away from fairness, equity, and diversity, which we think are good words in our community, and the attorney is dealing with what the threat is of someone coming to take someone's job, what about the lady who spoke earlier, she may or may not understand that sb program is going to water down being more definitive and intentional about spending money with underrepresented people in the community who have businesses. We could never support anything other than that. Now, we have given the staff, the attorney, a whole lot of opportunity to look at what might be alternative ways and options to do this situation. To not violate the law and not discriminate against anyone, any black-owned company or other minority-owned business, women-owned business or any other affected previously protected group of people. We need to find a better way. Sb program is not a better way. This ordinance is not a better way. They need to step back, and today, this morning, at 3:00 this morning or so, we sent some more information to everyone, look at this situation differently. And we think the continuance would give you time and give them time to come back if they think they need to move forward with an ordinance that addresses more ways to make it better. So with that, we appreciate the City Council taking this action, and we think that the continuance, notwithstanding the possibility of some type of threat, if you have a threat, we'll stand with you, because you stand with us, we'll stand with you. And thank you for your time.

10:31:19AM Thank you. Next public speaker. Did any of you want to speak or standing in support? Very good. Thank you. Anybody else on this item? That ends public comment on the continuation of item number 80. Is there any further council discussion? I have a motion to continue item number 80 to March 4, 2027. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously. Thank you so much. That being said, let's go on to general public comment -- sorry, on-agenda item public comment. Thank you for the correction. On-agenda item public comment. If you are here to speak, once again, if you are here to speak to on-agenda item public comment, you should have filled out one of the cards. I'll call them in the order stacked here. The first one is Stephanie poynor. After Stephanie it will be Emily hinsdale followed by Rich Simmons. Good morning, Ms. Poynor. Start with your name, please. First of all, I want to say, Councilman Clendenin, please submit your letter for the record and submit the public records that you pulled as well. Please put those in the record for everyone to see. Number 4 through 6, I'm still wondering why the mayor is appointing anybody for more than 6 months after the end of her term. She won't be here. The next person should be able to appoint them. When Dana Crosby Collier came with the changes, she only mentioned pulling people off committees for absenteeism. There are people on committees that you don't agree with what they are doing. And you want to be able to remove them. You guys have investigated that in the past, and Mr. Shelby Has said, no, you cannot remove them. So we need to change that. It needs to be changed, and it needs to be in the code. The next thing, $10,000 a month to rent the jcc, I would think that money would be better spent improving the Hyde Park, which other people want to name other things. Anyway, and working on getting the arts moved into that particular area. Number 21, $150 bat house. I love the garden club. I think they are fabulous. And I think it's interesting that this is in the agenda. It's in City Council for $150, but Mr. Whatever his name is that wants to do all the work at Hyde Park, adjusted trees at swan pond on his own money and own time and bragged about it in e-mails in public records. I never saw it come before City Council. Who gave him permission to adjust trees on that property? It's not his property. It belongs to the city. Number 57, as a property manager, I can tell you right now that 95% of what is advertised in the rental market is on zillow and apartments.com. Why is the city paying for a program to advertise? It's ridiculous. It's free. If it's free, then I don't care. I couldn't get into it. Number 65, getting that property, easement for stormwater project on Gandy, why isn't it in the C.I.P.? If we're purchasing property to do it, or getting property to do it, I want to know what's going on with that. The ground lease for Related Group, they better not be pushing back. They have been slackers long enough and not getting stuff done. It's time for them to get it done. It was approved the same time as Hanna Street and we see Hanna Street has been full for years. Number 12 -- number 112, all the proceeds from the school cameras should go to school safety, not public safety, not fire, not any of that. It needs to be spent at our schools. Our kids have to walk to school up to two miles away from school. Those children need to be protected. We keep having sidewalk issues. If I had a dollar for every time I get an e-mail from carroll ann screaming bloody murder at JC Hudgison for approving another sidewalk waiver in Virginia Park, man, if I were him, I would never approve a sidewalk there. I wouldn't do it. Have a good day.

10:35:34AM Emily hinsdale, followed by rich, followed by frank Williams, Pastor Williams. Good morning, Emily. Start with your name, please. When you were all no doubt exhausted by the rest of the agenda and just want a nap you will hear item 112, a staff report on draft ordinance amendment on how to designate funds from automated school zone speed cameras. The good news is this should be an easy item to hear to amend and to vote to the next step in this process of getting better safety for Tampa's children. This draft ordinance amendment follows a council motion from august to ensure that city funds accumulated from school zone speed camera penalties are used to make the roads safer through improvements like properly marked school zones, crosswalks, ADA compliant crossings, sidewalks, speed humps, and similar infrastructure. Please move this item forward to the public hearing stage. However, before you do, I'm asking that you first make two critical adjustments to the language, included in your original agenda packet. I believe you have received an updated amendment. Add the word mobility before infrastructure focused initiatives. This focuses funds on transportation infrastructure like sidewalks, crosswalks, and speed bumps. It avoids diverting funds toward special projects, not directly related to safe routes to school. Adding grades k-12 before the word "schools," this focuses on children's needs. It avoids diverting funds towards educational facilities, not related to children. The final language should read, all funds retained by the city under this law shall be allocated for administration of speed detection systems in school zones and for mobility infrastructure focused initiatives related to public safety near grades k-12 schools. Sidewalks stompers has e-mailed you this amended language. I believe you already have it with you. You will also hear these amendments later this afternoon during the staff report. Please support this edited version of the draft ordinance amendment for school camera speed zone funds and move this issue forward to the first public hearing as soon as possible. Thank you.

10:37:56AM Thank you, Emily. Rich Simmons. Start with your name, please. Rich Simmons, 2702 West St. isabel. I'm here to speak on agenda item 113, which are short-term rentals, the ordinance that has been adopted by Hillsborough county and should be coming before you for City of Tampa. I understand there is a legal brief that should be in your packet today. I'm here to ask you to strongly consider this. I think this bill passed by -- ordinance passed by Hillsborough county is sound. It does a lot of good things to help protect our neighborhoods. As you know, Tampa, generally speaking, is more dense than Hillsborough county. As a resident that lives nearby to an airbnb, a short-term rental, I can tell you that they are problematic. There's been excessive trash, excessive noise, parking all over, anywhere they can find a place. Minimum rentals of one night happen quite frequently that I'm aware of. This ordinance, I think, does a lot of good things that makes rental longer and it holds the owners and operators, which aren't always the same, accountable. This gives the residents protections and a way to process any complaints through Code Enforcement or other means available. When it comes before you, I'd like to have your support to pass this ordinance and have the City of Tampa pass this ordinance for the betterment of our neighborhoods. Thank you.

10:39:28AM Thank you, Mr. Simmons. Just for clarification, today was just written staff report. That business will be continued to a different meeting for the ordinance.

10:39:36AM Thank you much. Pastor Williams. Would you like to speak to on-on-items? Followed by surgret doss. If you are speaking to something on the agenda. I got it.

10:40:02AM Surgret, you are up after Pastor Williams. And then Joe Robinson. Don't know what's going on.

10:40:18AM It's about items that we're --

10:40:22AM Public comment will come later in probably about 45 minutes or hour, general public comment. I want to speak about something that happened to me.

10:40:38AM That will come during the second part of public comment. I'll call you then. You can take your seat and I'll call you back. Surgret doss. [ laughter ]

10:41:12AM Thank you, surgret, for your patience. I'm a patient man. Little taken back by what you brought up a little while ago. Surgret doss, veteran, everybody knows. Getting back from vacation so I'm a little bit disoriented. Items 109, 104 and 95. Because what you just said, by the way, I want to do a public public records request under the chapter of the Florida statutes. The letter disseminated to each and every one of you all. It ties right into the reason that we need to have an inspector general who is independent, not under HR or any other office so when these kind of things come up, the public has the teeth to come and get whatever is going on, because I'm a little bit taken aback by this. Because otherwise, I know the agenda is written to be heard today. I believe you all are going to deal with the inspector general and having an independent one. If possible also since we're up here and I'm up here now. It's hard for me to get my mind off of that especially what I went through with the supreme court, the city attorney didn't even take the time to respond to my writ, they had that right legally we all know. The fact they didn't and waived it, it bothers me. A lot of what I went through with the city is because so much stuff goes on and we don't find out about it until later on. The inspector general would have made it impossible to have kept 7,000 e-mails away from me while you all were actively prosecuting across the street over there. I also want to speak to these other contracts, particularly the $529,000 that you all have for this drone leasing thing. The people need to see a little more about that. That's bothersome to me. And also having systems within the city that look up information about the city's residents. Not enough people out there. I'm speaking to the public, actually. I know you all will do what you want to do. But the public, you need to understand the onus of our government is on us. I'm vested in this thing. I'm vested to the casket, even further because I have children and grandchildren. I want the document disseminated to you all from whoever it was, if I have to write it down on paper, I want the documents no matter where they came from, especially whatever the mayor had to say that undermines the idea of an independent inspector general. I'll be back in a little while. Shout-out to the greatest institution, university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

10:44:11AM Thank you, Mr. Doss. Joe Robinson. Followed by Valerie bullock and that will conclude our in-person speakers on on-agenda items. I have someone online as well. Mr. Robinson. Speaking on item number 72. This Rome yard been going on, Rome yard has several phases going on. This is one phase, one here, and this is a ground lease. Why is this ground lease before you today? District 5, West Tampa. You can go over and look at Rome yard. You'll see structures coming out of the ground. You'll see it is being developed and moving forward unlike most people say there isn't any activity. Well, this is activity. The reason this lease agreement is in front of you now is because they are going after probably somewhere around 20 to $24 million from the State of Florida to try to help pay for the projects that they are doing at Rome yard. So in order to turn in that application now, because there is a deadline for the application to be submitted, they have to have a ground lease to show that they got the authorization to build and move forward. There are several agreements that are going to keep coming up until Rome yard is completely built out. Several phase projects. This is part of the community benefit agreement that we had got from them. So I'm here to support it, number one, because I'm in West Tampa. West Tampa CRA advisory committee. I stay in West Tampa. I've been involved with this Rome yard thing and been accused of nonsense even when I sat on the selection committee, trying to throw me to the curve. But we're here today because the community wants to keep the project moving forward. If they can get some money because they said they are not going to get any city money, and they don't. But ground lease means they are going to pay some money based on the number of units whenever they get the project to a certificate of occupancy. They start paying like they are paying now on some of the projects that they are doing over at Rome yard. City gets a check. Staff knows that. I'm here to say, hey, I'm here to support this moving forward. I'm glad you pulled it so that it can be talked about, but I'm here to say let's keep moving forward because if we don't, they will miss an opportunity to get about 20 or 24 million. Quite sure they will come up here and tell you that if the item comes up and you call them up here to speak with related. I'm here to say let's move this forward. It's a major project in district 5. It's moving very well. People are starting to see things occur, affordable housing issue. Talking about getting funds that keep moving this affordable housing which Rome yard is going to provide. And they need an opportunity to have this ground lease in place to make an application to the state to get $24 million to keep building Rome yard. That's all I had to say. Thank you, Mr. Chair, for recognizing.

10:47:26AM Valerie, good morning. Valerie bullock. I'm here to talk about 55 and 56. I want to know where is the accountability at when it comes to giving the organizations and the nonprofits the funds, I have a lot of people, I call Tampa Housing Authority, and it's no help there. I did st. vincent de paul and one person got help. I have a problem when one organization is getting all of the money, and it's like we're putting all our eggs in one basket. I don't see the people getting help. I be on a phone call -- I be on the phone making the call like it's me. And you really get the runaround. I call the health department. They told me they are just a referral service. But I see a lot of programs, but I don't see the individuals who need the help getting the key to an apartment. So I'm concerned about the accountability. Do we know the ratio of how many people they have helped? Is anybody following up on that? Or are we just giving these organizations funding and the people aren't getting help? If the money is for people with HIV, then those are the people that need to be getting apartments. When I tried to help people, it was to no avail. Everybody got a waiting list or they tell you call -- they refer you to somebody else. I like to see the numbers for this much money, how many people did you get housing for? Was it anybody from borrell park, 29th street where the HIV rate is the highest? I also want to talk about this rental assistance program. I hope this is not the same company who ran it last year, because I know it came out on a Tuesday or Wednesday. You can get on the phone at 9:00 and they answer the phone and say we don't have no more funding. Or we met our quota. We need accountability for these programs. I'm pretty sure when you all do the paperwork form, you really want to get help to the people, but from my experience working with people. Very few getting help. If you know somebody who work at the program, they'll help you because you know somebody. And it shouldn't be like this. It should be John q., if I'm off the street and I need help, I should be able to get help. Will you all please investigate these programs and look at the numbers and see if it's really working and who is getting help? Thank you.

10:50:12AM Thank you, Valerie. Is Erin online? Erin pickeren. Erin, are you on? Unmute yourself, please, and start with your name.

10:50:28AM Hi, Erin. This is only for agenda items this round. I understand you want to speak to agenda items. Start with your name, please. I'm going to speak on agenda items 8 and 9. On September 17, deputy chief defelice told you peregrine --

10:50:49AM Pause for one moment. This round of public is comment for only agenda items.

10:50:59AM Safe off agenda -- I already spoke to the clerk about it and I got the okay to speak.

10:51:08AM You can speak to on-agenda items now. Anything off agenda, we have to wait until the next round. This is on agenda.

10:51:15AM Very good. Thank you so much. On September 17, deputy Chief Eric defelice told you peregrine is not a camera surveillance system. You asked if that had anything to do with i.c.e., the answer was it does not. October 15, council member Hurtak said she was told Tampa could opt out and keep it internal. Then you approved it 4-1. Here is what you approved. Peregrine merges records from different systems into one person dossier. Machine learning decides which records are the same person and then builds a merged record and keeps the original. What is in one? Address, phone, date of birth, race, height, weight, eye color, flags, four records combined into one person. It maps people, places, vehicles, and events in a network that reveals hidden connections, including known associates and family. In Tampa, it plugs into dispatch, police records, axon body camera video, TPD and employee data. $595,000 through January 2028. It comes with a.i. Tampa peregrine program -- [audio breaking up] -- collects officer questions and the a.i.'s answers, turning on our data is barred unless the city authorizes it in writing. One signature opens that door. Count the doors you were told stay closed. Door one 287(g), pursuant to any lawful order we would have to comply with it. Door two, contract allows our data to go to one or more third parties under separate written agreement between peregrine and the city. Door three is today's item. Number 9, $152,364.59 in federal homeland security money for versaterm opsintel. The city's grant form says it shares intelligence with federal agents on the same system peregrine plugs into. Three doors, you were told it had nothing to do with i.c.e. You were told it could stay internal. If safeguards have true intent, the city would buy software that cannot do these things. Instead you bought software that can and paper work that changes with a signature. I'm asking deputy chief defelice to resign. Either he didn't understand what he presented or described it differently. Item 8, counter drone. Agreement lists covert cameras, GPS trackers, wiretap equipment, and cell site simulators. It never mentions drones. Pull items 8 and 9 from consent. You were told what peregrine is not, now you know what it is. Do not waive the in ex-two through -- do not waive the next two through. Thank you.

10:53:59AM That concludes public comment. We're moving to board and administrative appointments. Is carly puleo or dominique cagle or tommy whitehead in the audience? Hearing none, can I get a motion to approve items 4, 5, 6. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Carlson. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously. Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

10:54:29AM I wanted to speak before we approve the public safety committee items because it was brought up in public comment about item 16, which we are not actually approving anything that has already been approved. We're just moving some money around because of GASB rules. We already approved it. We're not approving something again. We're just moving money around.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:53AM Thank you for the clarification. On to the consent.

Lynn Hurtak

10:54:56AM I asked.

Alan Clendenin

10:54:57AM Request for public consideration of legislative matters? Hearing none, consent agenda.

Lynn Hurtak

10:55:03AM I don't know if there's any desire to pull 8 and 9 based on what we heard from public comment or just for clarification later or not. I'll move to pull 8 and 9. We'll need staff for that. During staff reports.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:25AM Councilman Miranda, would you please move items 7 and then 10 through 16. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, second from Councilwoman Young to pull items 8 and 9 for separate vote and discussion. That will come back when we get to the agenda item. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Councilman Miranda, would you move 7 and items 10 through 16.

Charlie Miranda

10:55:51AM I move item 7, public safety committee, 7, 10 and then 11 through 15.

Alan Clendenin

10:55:58AM 16. The other page. Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Naya Young

10:56:11AM I move items 17 through 33.

Alan Clendenin

10:56:14AM Motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you. Councilman Maniscalco, would you move items 34 through 49 and for clarification 47 has a substitute motion.

Guido Maniscalco

10:56:28AM I move items 34 through 49 with a substitute for item number 47.

Alan Clendenin

10:56:33AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you so much. Finance committee, Councilman Miranda, stand by. Is there a staff to discuss items 52 through 54?

Martin Shelby

10:56:52AM They should be coming down stairs.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:00AM Mr. Shelby, would you like to speak in their stead?

Martin Shelby

10:57:02AM I can speak in their stead if you wish. Mr. Chairman, based on your direction to me, I e-mailed the attorneys in the Legal Department that when these items are called up you would like them to be able to address it. If you want to hold them to have them come down or like me to address it.

10:57:30AM It's Ms. Lee.

Alan Clendenin

10:57:30AM Sidebar conversations with the attorneys, that there is a legal issue with the language or something.

Martin Shelby

10:57:40AM You have a choice, Mr. Chairman. Would you rather me discuss it or hold it for the attorneys?

Alan Clendenin

10:57:44AM Let's clarify what's going on.

Martin Shelby

10:57:46AM Let's do it right now then. I'm willing to do that, and that's fine. It was brought to my attention with regard to items 52, 53, and 54, you have decided you wanted to continue the presentation to December 3rd, is that correct, Mr. Chairman?

Alan Clendenin

10:58:05AM I believe that is the date.

Martin Shelby

10:58:06AM I stalled long enough -- [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

10:58:10AM Talk about good and your delay. You remember this, right, marty? I'm Emma Gregory, Legal Department. Thank you for your understanding. We were coming down. Apologies for the delay. This is items 52, 53, 54, also have Beth Le from the attorney's office with me. Apologies for the delay. I thought they would be coming up during staff reports. We do have -- maybe we don't have staff here. But the idea here was that these items would be coming before you today for staff to present the upcoming proposed rate changes in response to legislation that passed in the last session. We are asking that the presentation be allowed to go forward, but that the vote, any vote on the resolutions be continued to December 17 so that we can ensure that we're in compliance with notice provisions.

Lynn Hurtak

10:59:19AM Can I make a motion to move items 52 through 54 to staff reports? So they can present?

Alan Clendenin

10:59:29AM Mr. Shelby, I thought there were more issues than that.

Martin Shelby

10:59:32AM This was originally brought to you as a particular item on the consent agenda. Then what happened, there was a powerpoint presentation, a desire by the staff who want to make a powerpoint presentation. Do you want them separated or do you want the whole kit and caboodle -- it can't be done today because there is a notice issue.

Lynn Hurtak

11:00:01AM I know. That's not what I'm saying. I just asked for them to move the presentation for items 52 through 54 to staff reports.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:09AM What he's saying, there is a notice issue.

Martin Shelby

11:00:12AM It can't be moved today.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:14AM Let's move the whole package.

Lynn Hurtak

11:00:15AM Oh, okay.

Martin Shelby

11:00:16AM I'm suggesting move the whole package, 52, 53, and 54 to staff reports on the 17th of December.

Lynn Hurtak

11:00:27AM So moved.

Martin Shelby

11:00:28AM -- 2027 -- 2026, and at that point, you'll have the presentation and have the ability then properly noticed to be able to be moved on that date.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:39AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to continue items 52 through 54 to December 17, 2026, under staff reports. I have a second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Emma Gregory

11:00:54AM Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

11:00:58AM Motion from Councilman Miranda to move items 50 and 51. Is there a second? Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, would you move 55 through 71? Motion from Councilman Carlson, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Would somebody -- did you want a separate vote or can you move 72?

Bill Carlson

11:01:27AM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

11:01:27AM Councilwoman Young, would you move item 72.

Naya Young

11:01:30AM I move item 72.

Alan Clendenin

11:01:31AM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. Roll call, please.

Charlie Miranda

11:01:37AM Yes.

Guido Maniscalco

11:01:39AM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

11:01:40AM Yes.

Naya Young

11:01:40AM Yes.

Bill Carlson

11:01:41AM No.

Alan Clendenin

11:01:42AM Yes.

The clerk

11:01:44AM Motion passes with Carlson voting no.

Alan Clendenin

11:01:46AM Thank you. Mobility. Councilwoman Hurtak. 73-75.

Lynn Hurtak

11:01:49AM I move 73-75.

Alan Clendenin

11:01:51AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

11:01:57AM Move to set items 76 public hearing for November 19.

Alan Clendenin

11:02:00AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. We already opened the 10:00 public hearings.

Martin Shelby

11:02:10AM I believe you only --

Guido Maniscalco

11:02:11AM Move to open the 10 a.m. hearings.

Alan Clendenin

11:02:15AM Let's do it again. I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco, a second from Councilwoman Hurtak to open the 10 a.m. -- all 10 a.m. public hearings and 10:30 public hearings. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item number 78.

Ross Samons

11:02:41AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination, presenting file vac-26-17 for second reading and adoption. I'm available if you have any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:02:48AM Thank you. Does council have any questions?

Guido Maniscalco

11:02:51AM No.

Alan Clendenin

11:02:51AM Very good. Is there an applicant that wants to speak? Appreciate your approval.

11:02:57AM Thank you for your brevity.

Steve Michelini

11:03:01AM These are the owners, the petitioners. They don't have anything to add.

Alan Clendenin

11:03:05AM Very good. Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to this item?

11:03:09AM Very good. You'll have a chance for rebuttal.

Steve Michelini

11:03:13AM I guess we do have a presentation coming.

Alan Clendenin

11:03:16AM Come on forward and start with your name, please. I reside at 2502 West Palm Drive. I've been there for about 30 years. It is my home. The reason I'm doing this presentation today is just to clarify my position and understand all the positions. So we object to the entire alley being closed, but not to the part to the west of our property. There are three homes to the west of 2502 west palm that would like to have that -- that would like to have the alley closed. So the alley has been used as part of ingress and egress since the home was built approximately a hundred years ago. These two were designed together, alleys and homes in old neighborhoods were essentially designed to work together. So if the vote is to close the entire alley, I object. The 2502 is not abandoned. It has no intent of being abandoned. And is used for ingress and egress on a daily basis. Now, petitioner and I have been in constant contact regarding closing the alley for the three houses to the west of 2502. In fact, on October 18, 2026, at his request, I signed a notarized affidavit that he drafted and sent to me that should be part of the record from the first meeting, which is part of the reason I didn't attend the first reading. It says in relevant point, I understand that my alley way located behind the following properties is being considered for formal vacation by the City of Tampa, 2512, 2510, and 2504. In relevant part, it also says that the closing doesn't affect my property at 2502 West Palm Drive. So I just wanted to clarify it was a partial closure and not a total closure. The alley at 2502 is absolutely not abandoned. It's used daily by us, by Jeffrey harden, who lives in the detached garage behind. It's used by the City of Tampa sanitation to take out not only our garbage, but also the garbage from the 12 townhomes or so across the alley. There are about 20 residents there. Cans and bins are across from the detached structure. It's also used for visitors, deliveries, the police and fire rescue also as well as maintenance on both our property and that across. And one final point, the legal description, in looking at the legal description in the petition, it appears to include our legal description for 2502 West Palm Drive. That was never the intent, and we object to having our legal description added. That part of the alley as we said is not abandoned. We have no objection to closing a part of it behind the three houses, however, if this is an all or nothing, we would object to closing all of it. And perhaps we can find a lesser restrictive alternative. Augustine smythe weekley the third. I go by gus weekley. Thank you.

11:06:39AM [Inaudible] [microphone not on] we live right here. In this house. I also have an affidavit -- I'm sorry. My name is Melissa weekley. I have an affidavit from the garage apartment resident.

Martin Shelby

11:07:10AM Do you want to speak to that? State for the record what that is? The detached garage which is located here. He parks behind that garage. My name is Melissa weekley. I am a resident of 2502 West Palm Drive. As others have commented at the previous hearing and just now, the alley next to our home is our only access to our driveway. We use it for ingress and egress. This is also evidenced in the photo of our home, as you can see, that has already been put into evidence. I have an affidavit from Mr. Harden. He lives in the detached garage. He parks behind it, so that's his access to his parking. In addition, the City of Tampa does use the alley twice a week to get garbage from not just 2502, but the townhomes across the alley. They have a designated area where they keep their bins. If that changed, the bins would have to go onto the street. This is a street with no sidewalks on either side. So that would all be in the street which I think would be a safety issue. It's a busy street with both foot traffic and regular traffic. This is one of the streets that has the crosswalk across Bayshore, so we do get a lot of foot traffic. I agree with the petitioners that their portion of the alleyway is fine for the City of Tampa to vacate, but the portion next to our home is not. It's utilized on a daily basis by us and used weekly by the City of Tampa. So if the request is to close not only the portion behind petitioner's home, we would not object, but if it includes the alley way next to our home, which is lots one and two, and as previously stated that was in the legal description so that's why we're just here in an abundance of caution, we would have to object. For those reasons, we would ask that the petitioner's request be denied. I do thank you for your time and your consideration.

Alan Clendenin

11:09:13AM Thank you. Is there anybody else in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none, I would like staff, could you please come and -- I know we had the first presentation, but could you provide clarification, one, on the weekley residence, what this application, what part of the alley is involved and just a little refresher.

Ross Samons

11:09:34AM Ross Samons, Development Coordination. I am going to show you an aerial view. The person on the corner or the folks here speaking and objecting to are here. And this is included. This is the area that's included in the legal description currently with the ordinance. This is the area in yellow. Any other questions?

Alan Clendenin

11:10:04AM Council have any further questions? If not, I'll go to rebuttal. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:10:08AM Is there a way we can change that?

Steve Michelini

11:10:12AM I'll get to that.

Ross Samons

11:10:14AM It's possible, but it would take -- definitely take a continuance of this ordinance because we'd have to change the legal description. It would take a Transportation Department reviewing it again to see --

Alan Clendenin

11:10:33AM Would that go back to first?

Ross Samons

11:10:36AM No. I don't think it should go back to first in my opinion just because it's already been noticed for the entire thing. You are just cutting that down. It wouldn't be necessarily asking for more, but less.

Alan Clendenin

11:10:50AM I believe I have someone else. Did you want to say something? I'm going to move on to rebuttal. Mr. Michelini.

Steve Michelini

11:10:57AM I've talked to the petitioners, they have no objection to excluding that portion. Let me show you what they are talking about. Their concern is down here. And this portion has already been vacated. This is what it looks like behind their house. So there's no traffic that's going through here. It's been walled off and obstructed by trees and everything else. But that's not this portion, which is open, and they do use a portion of that alley for access, and they have no objection to changing the legal description to exclude that portion from being part of the petition.

Alan Clendenin

11:11:45AM Mr. Michelini, during the public comment on this -- can you leave the diagram up there -- during the public comment they referred to town houses and rubbish collection, would closing it at that lot line -- circle number two, where the 2 is, would that restrict rubbish collection from whatever that unit is on the north side?

Steve Michelini

11:12:06AM No. it's up here. This is what they were talking about. Am I correct? It is the first house to the west.

11:12:14AM It's this portion here. So if it's vacated up to the rear property line on this parcel, then we're fine.

Alan Clendenin

11:12:24AM So the folks that came up, the weekleys, that would eliminate your concerns? Applicant, you are agreeable to work with this amendment.

Lynn Hurtak

11:12:37AM I'll motion to continue this item, vacation -- file vac-26-17 to -- how about -- would November 19 be enough time? To November 19 At 10 a.m. public hearing at 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

11:13:04AM I have a motion and a second. Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

11:13:07AM November 19 council doesn't start until 11:00. And you will also have all of the second readings.

Lynn Hurtak

11:13:13AM But this is a quick one. If it's fixed, we don't have any of this jargon. Fine. Whenever the public hearings are for that week.

Steve Michelini

11:13:25AM We'll work with staff to get the correct legal description before that. We have to do that by next week, right? Description.

11:13:38AM I'll get with ross to fix that.

Martin Shelby

11:13:46AM May I recommend 1:30 then, please? Because at 11:00, you'll be swearing in a new council member and then doing all the second readings.

Lynn Hurtak

11:13:57AM Change the time to 1:30.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:00AM Not to complicate things, any reason why not go December 3rd?

Lynn Hurtak

11:14:04AM Okay, fine. December 3rd.

Steve Michelini

11:14:07AM That's fine.

Lynn Hurtak

11:14:10AM I move to have -- this is At 10. So just throwing that out there. We're moving it to December 3rd. Does that change it to 11 as well? Okay. I make a motion to move item vac-26-17 to December 3, 10:00, City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602, third floor.

Alan Clendenin

11:14:40AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Steve Michelini

11:14:45AM Can I get the neighbors to put on the record that they have will he moved their objection, please?

Alan Clendenin

11:14:50AM I'll acknowledge that as chair that I asked the applicant -- sorry, asked the neighbors if they were agreeable to that arrangement --

11:15:02AM I can't have you speaking from the wall.

Martin Shelby

11:15:07AM Do you want to reopen the hearing.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:08AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye.

Martin Shelby

11:15:14AM You never closed it. That's true.

Alan Clendenin

11:15:16AM Go ahead. Start with your name. Smythe weekley, the III. 2502 West Palm Drive. I go by gus. The only issue or objection was to make sure we had the legal description correct and we weren't inadvertently closed and the alley in our area was closed.

11:15:36AM The answer is yes. Objection.

Lynn Hurtak

11:15:43AM I recommend that between now and December 3rd that you get together with him to make sure that he sees the changes and that he okays them and then maybe write a little letter that says that, that you can e-mail to all of us, and that way we'll know. I would not want to remove an objection for something I have not seen yet. Like answering a complaint without the knowledge.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:10AM We are spiraling out.

Steve Michelini

11:16:12AM We are Planning to change it to this line right here.

11:16:17AM Which is the rear of his property.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:21AM This issue has been continued to the 10:00 public hearing on December 3rd. If you want to just ask, verify -- process.

Steve Michelini

11:16:38AM Thank you, council.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:39AM We have put that one to bed. Thank you. Boy, this is a complicated day. Item 79.

Bill Carlson

11:16:44AM Can I say? I was going to say this on the other one, too, but I was absent. I reviewed the document.

Alan Clendenin

11:16:51AM Very good. Thank you.

Emma Gregory

11:16:54AM Emma Gregory, Legal Department, second reading of a proposed ordinance amending section 22-308 which deals with site triangles and vision lines for pedestrian safety, et cetera. We had our first reading on October 15, and I'm here and Brandon Campbell mobility director and Adam Purcell are here for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:19AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, anybody in the public who wishes to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, you are here, ready to vote, please read item 79.

Bill Carlson

11:17:34AM Move file e 2026-8, CH 22, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida amending the City of Tampa Code of Ordinances chapter 22, article III, division 3, section 22-308, trees shrubbery, et cetera, obstructing vision of drivers of motor vehicles declared in violation, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:17:59AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:18:14AM Motion passes unanimously. Second hearing and adoption will be held on December 3rd At 10 a.m. --

Emma Gregory

11:18:20AM This was --

Alan Clendenin

11:18:22AM This was second. This passes.

The clerk

11:18:24AM Sorry. Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:18:29AM Okay. Item number 80. Sorry. 81.

Rebecca Johns

11:18:46AM This is the second reading of ordinance granting a franchise agreement to the Robles park affordable housing developer. This is granting a franchise for stormwater pipe to cross north Avon Avenue.

Alan Clendenin

11:18:58AM Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none, can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you please read item 81?

Naya Young

11:19:16AM File da26-26530, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance granting to Robles Park, LLC, Robles Park Village Development Group, LLC, rpv, parcel d, L.P., its successors and assigns, a nonexclusive franchise to use a portion of North Avon Avenue in the City of Tampa to construct, access, and maintain stormwater improvements and prescribing the terms and conditions under which said nonexclusive franchise may be exercised, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:19:54AM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. I have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:20:04AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:20:05AM Thank you. The next 10:00 public hearings are quasi-judicial. If you are here to speak or testify on behalf of any of these, please stand, raise your right hand and be sworn in by our clerk. [Oath administered] very good. Item number 82, staff. For the record, Christopher Demanche, Development Coordination. Agenda item 82 is rez-26-60, this item is a rezoning request for property located at 1605 Waters Court. The request is to rezone from YC 2 to YC 9 for residential multiple family. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. This is before you for second reading today. I'm available for any questions.

11:21:06AM Does council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant? Madison, 400 North Ashley Drive. Here on behalf of the applicant. All required revisions addressed between readings. Here to answer any questions.

11:21:22AM Councilwoman Hurtak, do you have questions? Anybody in the public that wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none, I have a motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco, second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

11:21:34AM File rez-26-60, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 1605 North Waters Court, in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification yc-2, Ybor City historic district residential, to yc-9, Ybor City historical district site plan controlled residential multiple family, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:00AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor -- sorry, please record your vote.

The clerk

11:22:12AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:22:13AM Thank you very much. For bookkeeping, how many in the audience are still here that are going to request to speak on non-agenda public item comment? Raise your hand. I think we'll be fine. Item number 83, staff. Bria Dixon, Development Coordination. Item 83 is rez-26-65, this item is a rezoning request for the property located at 4911 east 10th avenue. The request is to rezone from RM residential multiple family to CI commercial intensive. I'm available if you have any questions.

11:23:11AM Thank you. Council have any questions? Hearing none. Anybody in the public wishing to speak? I'm sorry, applicant. Is there an applicant on this application? Hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

11:23:36AM Move to reopen.

Lynn Hurtak

11:23:38AM Second.

Alan Clendenin

11:23:39AM Applicant, you are online? 83. I think we can move forward. You need to unmute yourself. Is it Annie? I'm Annie.

11:24:12AM Start with your name. Have you been sworn in yet? Please raise your right hand to be sworn in by our clerk.

The clerk

11:24:32AM Ma'am, do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to provide is the truth and nothing but the truth?

Alan Clendenin

11:24:37AM Is there anything you would like to add to the record before we take the vote?

11:24:42AM Thank you very much. Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

11:24:49AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 4911 east 10th avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida, and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RM 24 residential multiple family to CI, commercial intensive, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:05AM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:25:17AM Motion passes with young being absent. At vote.

Alan Clendenin

11:25:22AM Item number 84. Bria Dixon, Development Coordination. Agenda item 84 is rez-26-74. This item is a rezoning request for the property located at 2009 North Armenia Avenue and 2342 Walnut Avenue. Request is to rezone from PD Planned Development and PD Planned Development to CG commercial general. I'm available if you have any request he is.

11:25:46AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant, do you have anything you would like to add? Just here to answer questions.

11:25:52AM Anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item? Motion to close from Councilman Miranda. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Miranda, would you please read item 84.

Charlie Miranda

11:26:01AM Item 84, rez-26-74, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption. An ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2009 North Armenia Avenue and 2342 Walnut Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification PD Planned Development and PD Planned Development to CG commercial general, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:25AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:26:39AM Motion passes with young and Carlson being absent at vote.

Alan Clendenin

11:26:42AM Thank you. Item 85, staff. Once again, Bria Dixon, Development Coordination. Agenda item 85 is rez-26-78. This item is a rezoning request for the property located at 3209 north 22nd street. Request is to rezone from CG commercial general to PD Planned Development pharmacies and retail sales convenience goods and shopper's goods. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the city clerk's office. I'm available if you have any questions.

11:27:12AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant, do you have anything to add?

Steve Michelini

11:27:15AM No, sir. Respectfully request your approval.

Alan Clendenin

11:27:17AM Thank you. Anybody in the public who wishes to speak to this item? Hearing none, motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. All those in favor say aye. Again. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Carlson, would you read item number 85, please?

Bill Carlson

11:27:40AM Move file rez-26-78, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 3209 north 22nd street in the City of Tampa, Florida, more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CG commercial general to PD Planned Development, pharmacies and retail sales, convenience goods, and shopper's goods, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:04AM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:28:14AM Motion passes unanimously.

Steve Michelini

11:28:17AM Thank you, council.

Alan Clendenin

11:28:17AM Item number 86. Staff for 86? Is there anybody online? Is there an applicant here for 86? Wing it on our own then, eh? Councilwoman Young, would you read item 86?

Martin Shelby

11:28:56AM Anybody here to speak to it?

Alan Clendenin

11:28:58AM Anybody in the public wishing to speak? Hearing none -- Christopher, would you like to present this.

Christopher Demanche

11:29:04AM Yes, I'll fill in for Bria on this one. 86 is rez-26-82. This item is a rezoning request for property located at 620 West Dr. Martin Luther King jr. boulevard. The request is to rezone from RS 50 residential single-family to commercial general. This is a euclidean rezoning, so there's no elevations or site plans to provide. It's before you for second reading. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:29:36AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, still no applicant, hearing none, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Seeing none. Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Naya Young

11:29:48AM File rez-26-82, ordinance presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 620 West Dr. Martin Luther King jr. boulevard in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification RS 50, residential single-family, to CG, commercial general, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:30:10AM Thank you. I have a motion from Councilwoman Young. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:30:19AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:30:21AM Thank you very much. Item 87.

Christopher Demanche

11:30:24AM For the record, Christopher Demanche, Development Coordination. Item 87 is rez-26-85. This is a rezoning request for property located at 5510 and 5400 South West Shore Boulevard. The request is to rezone from commercial intensive to Planned Development for day care and nursery facility, air-conditioned storage and all commercial intensive uses. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:30:50AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant, if you are online and -- you are here. You have been sworn in. Nothing to add on this. Happy to answer questions.

11:31:06AM Anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Hearing none, I have a motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Young, would you read the ordinance and if it passes.

Lynn Hurtak

11:31:17AM Rez-26-85, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 5510 and 5400 South West Shore Boulevard in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification CI, commercial intensive, to PD, Planned Development, day care and nursery facility, air-conditioned storage, and all CI uses, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:31:41AM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

Charlie Miranda

11:31:49AM Move the resolution.

The clerk

11:31:54AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:31:55AM I have a motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco to move the resolution. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Item number 88.

Christopher Demanche

11:32:05AM Again for the record, Christopher Demanche, Development Coordination. Item number 88 is rez-26-87. This item is rezoning request for property located at 2101 West Hillsborough Avenue. Request is to rezone from Planned Development allowing for retail sales to Planned Development for a drive-in restaurant use. Revisions have been completed. Certified plans have been submitted to the clerk's office. I will also note at the October 8, 2026 meeting, council directed the applicant to coordinate with the neighbor located at 2101 West Mohawk Avenue as well as the families aba therapist to determine if any additional measures are required to mitigate the project's impacts. I can add to the record that the addition of a six foot masonry wall along the entirety of the north property line was requested by council. Per the applicant's communication with the neighbor, ab therapist, eight-foot privacy and sound deadening wall was recommended and accepted by the applicant and is reflected on the revised plan. Council also directs the applicant to provide enhanced landscape buffering in conjunction with the wall along the north property line. Lastly, the driveway along north albany shall be left and right turn in and right turn out only. Left turn out is prohibited. All of these items are reflected on the certified plan. This is before you for second reading. I'm available for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:33:32AM Council have any questions? Hearing none, applicant? Chris stole my thunder. We did talk to the neighbor and made those changes. They requested the eight foot masonry wall which we're happy to do. Three staggered ROWs of trees as well along the northern property line. We did add a note to the site plan committing to no amplified outdoor sound. Dutch bros does ordering on ipads. In the future, another drive-in restaurant, they won't have speakers.

11:34:03AM Thank you very much. Anybody in the public wishing to speak to the item. Motion to close from Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, please read this.

Guido Maniscalco

11:34:15AM Ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 2101 West Hillsborough Avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification PD Planned Development to PD Planned Development restaurant drive-in, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:34:30AM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:34:38AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:34:41AM Thank you. Those of you waiting, we'll hear one more and then do public comment. If we can get through public comment at a reasonable time, we may hear items 90, 91 and 92. Maybe, maybe not. Item number 89. Staff?

Christopher Demanche

11:34:56AM Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, for the record, Christopher Demanche, Development Coordination. Item 89 is rez-26-99, rezoning request for property located at 1728 east 2nd avenue as well as 1704, 1720, and 1722 east 3rd avenue. The request is to rezone from YC 6 and YC 9 to YC 9 to allow for retail sales, shopper's goods and all commercial general uses. Revisions have been completed and certified plans have been submitted to the clerk office. This is second reading. Available for questions. Add on this one but happy to answer questions.

Alan Clendenin

11:35:38AM Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. All in favor aye. Ayes have it. Councilman Miranda, 89.

Charlie Miranda

11:35:45AM Item 89, file rez-26-99, ordinance being presented for second reading and adoption, an ordinance rezoning property in the general vicinity of 1728 east 2nd avenue, 1705, 1720, and 1722 east 3rd avenue in the City of Tampa, Florida and more particularly described in section 1 from zoning district classification yc-6, Ybor City historic district community commercial, and yc-9, Ybor City site planned controlled and yc-9 Ybor City historic district site planned controlled, retail sales, shopper's goods and all CG uses, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:33AM Can you start again from yc-9 Ybor City.

Charlie Miranda

11:36:39AM Yc-9 Ybor City site plan controlled to yc-9 Ybor City historic district site planned controlled, retail sales, shopper's goods and all CG uses, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

11:36:52AM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Please record your vote.

The clerk

11:37:02AM Motion passes unanimously.

Alan Clendenin

11:37:05AM Thank you very much, clerk. We're going to pause now for our off-agenda item public comment. Pastor Williams, since you were here earlier, I'll recognize you first, if you would like to speak. Good morning, Pastor Williams. Thank you for your patience. I definitely need something to speak to you all about. You sent some people over to my house. Told me I had to move everything out of the house. I've been moved out of the house now six months or longer. Nobody did nothing about it, nobody put a roof on it. Cut my water on. Like I'm outdoors. Nobody wants to help a man like me, because I'm a colored man. But you know what? I'll keep pray, keep trusting in god. Everything will be all right. Whether you all have been, I would be glad to go to the graveyard. I would be happy. Treated more in heaven than I am here. God bless you all. Do the right thing for people and don't look at the color of their skin. God bless you.

11:38:52AM Can one of the legislative aides coordinate with City staff with social services? Thank you very much. Thank you, Pastor Williams. Very good. Next speakers are going to be Stephanie poynor followed by joe Citro. David sinclair, and Ms. Shellabarger. Please hear item 90. These ladies for item 90, they were here for the last hearing when the applicant did not show up. They shouldn't have to wait until after lunch. They are neighbors. Anyway, we had a meeting with mobility about the Interbay project on Monday. There are some good changes and some not so good changes. I'm very, very concerned that they don't want to put a trail or sidewalk on south side of Interbay, which they built a thousand apartments there on the south side since this project was started five years ago. Not okay. 400 of them are going to be affordable which means we'll have kids walking the two miles to school. I already checked all of the schools around there are less than two miles from that stretch of road. The elections are over. Candidates, pick up your signs. I want the city to end staff picking up political signs during early voting until three days after the elections. Give everybody three days and fine the crap out of them. I bet you a dollar you only have to do that one election and you don't do it for three or four more elections because the word will be on the street that the city will fine you for leaving them out. But for them to pick up hundreds of signs during early voting is absolutely irresponsible for our environment. Who is paying this person to come and pick them up? Literally South of Gandy at least 200 signs disappeared for both sides. Somebody came through and took them all for both sides. They didn't end up at Lowry Park. I don't know where they went. We need to stop that. It's irresponsible for our earth. I would like to know who is paying the $4.30 a gallon for them to drive around and do it. I honestly believe there's something wrong with that. We should not be -- at the local level, the closer they are to your home, the closer those candidates are to your home, the harder it is for people to get name recognition. And those signs promote name recognition. People have to go and look. I'm not going to tell you that I know anybody who is going to vote based on a sign. But they will see a name and learn more about it if they actually want to be an educated voter. We need to leave the signs alone and not be out jerking them out during the middle of campaign season. I know that somebody took one of Ms. Young's Signs from out in front of a constituent's house because she had put it in between the sidewalk and the road when she was running and the guy wouldn't give it back to her when she asked for it. Please make a motion and let's get this put in writing where staff is no longer stealing signs. I'm sorry, but that's theft during the election season. I realize it's a rule. I'm going to the county after we get this in place for them because I spent two hours on Monday night putting out signs because vanessa lester took them all up because she was afraid they would get stolen.

11:42:25AM Joe Citro, David sinclair, followed by Ms. Shellabarger. Mr. Citro, start with your name. You'll have three minutes. I do appreciate that.

11:42:42AM I tried. Joseph Citro for the record 33611. The voters have spoken Tuesday. Amendment 3 passed. I'm asking this council to go back and revisit the 2027 FY budget. See how it will be affected by amendment 3. More particularly, the 35 million that will be lost the first year because of amendment 3 and how it will affect the proposed stadium and the ability for the City of Tampa to pay for it and other things that the citizens of Tampa desire. I want to talk about a statement that was read earlier. The same type of statement that was made can also go along to the women and men that served on the Charter Review Commission. There were statements made to them telling them what was going to be heard by council, what wasn't going to be heard by council, what was not going to be presented to council, that independent body under our charter can do whatever they want when they talk about the charter and present it to City Council. City Council can reject anything they say or they could pass it on to the voters. But for someone to make a statement about what the mayor said earlier and still write a memo telling this independent body what they can and cannot do is hypocritical. Council, I thank you very much.

11:44:31AM Thank you, Mr. Citro. David, followed by Ms. Shellabarger, Followed by ashley morrow. My name is David sinclair. I'm going to speak briefly about the unaffordable electric rates in our community. I am the president of lulac council 7259. Lulac is the league of united latin american citizens. We are the cosponsors of a town hall meeting this evening to which I will invite you all. It is titled power and perspectives, the energy dialogue. It is about invitation to the community. You are invited to ask direct questions to our invited guests, the representatives of Tampa Electric Company. We're going to ask questions about the unaffordable electric rates in our community. You are invited to come because we all are suffering under the electric rates as customers we are suffering from the electric burdens that are unacceptable in our community. It will be tonight, Thursday, November 5 at 6:30 p.m. in the barksdale center at 1801 North Lincoln Avenue in Tampa. As public officials, you are offered the opportunity to participate and listen and ask questions in our energy dialogue. It will be most beneficial to the community and to all of us. Thank you so much.

11:46:07AM Thank you, David. Ms. Shellabarger. You are next. Come on up and start with your name, please. My name is Cynthia shellabarger. I stand before this council today during open public comment to enter a vital, permanent accountability record regarding the true state of political representation and progressive ethics in the City of Tampa. This body was elected on a clear mandate to protect working class neighborhoods, defend public infrastructure, and uphold absolute transparency. Therefore, it is a profound betrayal of those exact values to watch our citywide district 4 representative actively campaign as a fiscal conservative watchdog while executing actions that systematically dismantle our local community. On May 26, this representative hosted a high-profile, mayoral campaign kick-off event at penne rustica in South Tampa. Before a crowded room of elite donors, his speech explicitly pitched a version of invisible good government and resident prosperity. He stood at that podium and explicitly criticized prior administrations for wasting taxpayer funds on expensive shiny pet projects, arguing instead that city dollars must be fiercely disciplined and restricted to fixing basic neighborhood roads and essential infrastructure. Yet, the hypocrisy reaches staggering heights when you look at the actual voting record. True fiscal watch dogs do not volunteer $80 million of public city money to enrich a private billionaire sports owned franchise, especially when the project could have been executed through the county alone without costing our city coffers a single cent. True neighborhood champions do not look our local working class students in the eye, promising 99.9% chance of a no vote to protect them and then flip to a yes to secure a cross-over dark money account for a mayoral bid. Because of that swing vote, 27,000 community college students are being uprooted from permanent classrooms this January and scattered into rented corporate office spaces while our local tax dollars are forced to absorb an unfunded, unbudgeted multisite student shuttle bus crisis. A representative who sells out our public higher education infrastructure for corporate back channels is a pino -- a progressive in name only. We demand this council stop practicing political theater, hold the district 4 seat accountable and protect our public assets. Oh, amendment 3 just -- amendment 3 passed just like we warned. Good luck with that.

11:48:58AM Thank you. Ashley morrow. Robin Lockett, are you here. She left. Okay. Jade Scott left. Surgret doss I think is still here. Ashley, go ahead, start with your name, please. You have three minutes. Good morning. My name is ashley morrow. I'll be sharing Tampa's black history. We're about to step into the 20th century, but before we do, I want to take a minute to look back at what we talked about the past year. It's been a year that I've been coming up here. Tampa has a rich black history. It goes back farther than Central Avenue, further than madam fortune Taylor. I stayed in the 1800s as long as I could because I wanted it to bake. I wanted you to hear the names more than once and to start to see how their stories connect. Soon you'll hear some more familiar names. We will talk about blanch armwood, longshoremen, perry Harvey senior and junior. You can still see some of these names on schools, buildings, and parks around Tampa. And when we get to those stories, I want you to remember the people who came before them. They were their heroes. And these -- sorry, and they deserved to be remembered that way. That's why I'll keep reaching back and saying names, like Thomas mcknight, cyrus Charles and madam fortune Taylor. It's why I made a point to talk about mary r. Tanner, the black woman who witnessed the lynching of arthur st. clair in hernando county and came to Tampa to give a sworn affidavit on what she saw. I wanted to remember the afro cubans that shaped the culture that is radiating from this city. I do not speak -- sorry, I do not speak their language, but I know that the story -- that story was amazing. I also want us to remember the seminoles, the black seminoles and the black people who escaped enslavement and built communities in Florida. In the 1800s, the of the government forcibly moved seminoles and black seminoles from fort brooke, Tampa. We know how to tell a story about pirates. I want us to know how to tell this story as well. It happened here, and it deserves to -- it deserves its place in Tampa's history and how Tampa remembers it. Some of you all have called or e-mailed me, the public, about topics that I should be covering or haven't covered. I appreciate that. A year and three-minute little talks, I can't cover everything, but I'm trying to be intentional with the stories that I do cover. Yes, we're moving into the 20th century. And from time to time, I'll reach back and bring back up those names that I mentioned before and even more. My last 20 seconds, I just want to bring back up parking. We need to validate parking for the people that come in here to speak at City Council. Those that come and participate at Hillsborough county, I guess their public comment -- anybody coming in here to do their civic duty, their parking should be validated. How we figure out how to do it, I'm not the one that figures that out. You all are. Thank you.

11:52:17AM Thank you, ashley. Mr. Dos, Followed by ysabella mueller, Todd randolph and two online speakers. Mr. Doss. I'm still surgret doss. I appreciate this. I'll try to stay on point. This is, of course, city business and how my supreme court case tied to this city and the need for this independent inspector general that you'll talk about at 1:30 today. My case number 265074. The city was named as me versus former Judge Greg holder. The court passed on October 5, the city didn't answer, they waived it. My dismissal was never based on the merits for anybody out there. In fact, I never had a day of discovery in any of my cases. In 2016, I owned properties at 517 Tuscany Street in Brandon. 2534 -- drive, 12725 Bramfield Drive in riverview. 4336 spinaker cove in Tampa. Those properties are worth about a million and a half dollars today. Every one of those properties were erased from my name without a day in the courtroom. Don't believe me. Go look it up at the county property appraiser site. Hell, you sophisticated people can have any of your real estate people do a title run. Surgret doss, and see if any transaction happened that took my name off the properties. This is happening in the State of Florida, too, now a disabled american veteran. Person willing to give his life for the words on a parchment that many of the clowns across the street and even some of the people take these oaths coming up swore to uphold. Many of our peoples are now in harm's way. A lot of veterans risk a lot. Some came back. Some didn't. And it bothers me to know that my generation dropped the ball in passing on the information to the younger generation. But I'm inspired that this recent set of elections showed me that there's still promise. Because everybody seems got it right, some reason State of Florida in some areas, we did flip I think 17 seats and that shows progress. Shout out to the women, particularly black women who once again saved democracy from itself by showing up and bringing in and inspiring other people to vote. But I want to talk to give the inspector general the teeth that that office needs and for anybody who has ever questioned any allegation about misconduct or inappropriate behavior from the city, our own chair gave you a witness as to what can go on in this city when power does not have a check, a realistic check. That being said, shout-out to the greatest institution of higher learning in the City of Tampa, university of Thomas Jefferson high school.

11:55:27AM Thank you, sir. Isabela mueller, followed by Todd randolph. Start with your name, please. You have three minutes. Hillsborough affordable energy coalition. I'm here today because I believe Councilman Maniscalco, he has a resolution that we're proposing to all of you on affordable energy. I want to say thank you, Councilman Maniscalco, for working with us on this. We really appreciate it. But we've been having conversations with all of you over the past year about this affordable energy resolution and helping to assist us in our work to push back against TECO's rate hikes in Tampa and Hillsborough county. Almost all of you have expressed to our coalition that TECO's rate hikes are imposing an extreme burden to the community members, and they are negatively impacting our ability to thrive. We heard your concerns that this issue is outside of your control, but we all know that's far from the truth. We have drafted this resolution that I believe Councilman Maniscalco has printed out to pinpoint specific actions that you all can be taking within your purview, to help with the unjust utility rate hikes that we've been seeing from Tampa electric, as well as our investor owned utilities across this state. I want to address some of the concerns you brought up to us in the past and that this is an issue that can only be seen up in tallahassee. Yes, that's true. I work statewide on affordable energy reform. I've been speaking with our state legislators here in Hillsborough and across the state on psc and affordable energy reform. But we also need our local governments to join us in this fight. For example, the City of Tampa has been lobbyists that could be helping us lobby next session for the affordable energy reform policies that we'll be pushing forward with in 2027. Also, Tampa electric is expected to have a new rate increase request next year. The coalition and your constituents want assurance from you all that you'll be pushing back against this rate hike if it's deemed unfavorable to our community members, and that you'll be doing everything in your power to ensure that our financial stability is being prioritized and not just the corporate profits of these investor owned utilities. You all are also up for election next year. We just saw how galvanized voters were to elect politicians that are actually going to fight for their community members. So overall, we're asking you to support this resolution to show that you're going to fight for your community on something that's impacting all of us and to join us in this movement. We really just want to work with you all on this. Again, this is a shared issue that we're all struggling with, and the coalition is really looking forward to working with you all in the next year on this. I would be happy to talk more about this later.

11:58:46AM Todd. You are the last in-person speaker and then two online. As a TECO bill payer, I would urge you to please consider adopting an affordable energy resolution. I am also on a leadership board of sierra club, and this has been discussion and we'll be drafting a letter as a formal request from the local Tampa Bay group for the City Council to pass this affordable energy resolution. In light of the recent elections, I thought it fitting to show what TECO has put into influencing these elections. They put $5.2 million in, and I just saw this from this website right there. I put in TECO. I'm not the super sleuth investigator on how campaign finance money gets moved around. We can expect it's a whole lot more. As you see in this result, byron donalds was the top contributor. Byron donalds is an avid supporter of amendment 3, as were many of the candidates supported by these pacs. I find it very ironic that as a TECO customer, me, personally, and also the largest TECO customers, the City of Tampa being one of them, that we helped finance the passing, the lobbying, the passing of amendment 3. So that's something that actually wasn't even legal until about 20 years ago. That was back in 2005, a federal law, repealed, which made this legal. Many states implemented their own laws prohibiting utility monopolies from influencing these elections. But Florida has not. The results are that TECO -- they will be aggressive in their rate hikes. The pse will not be installed by byron donalds, and he is influenced by what is very transparent here. So please consider this affordable energy resolution. In light of the elections right now, it is very pertinent. We can expect aggressive rate hikes. Thank you.

12:01:32PM Thank you. That concludes in-person public comment. We have two online speakers. Michael randolph, good afternoon, sir. Start with your name. My name is Michael randolph. I'm with the West Tampa CDC. Recently, we received many inquiries from those that watch us during public comments about the community development corporation. So to give you the information, we are a community-based nonprofit, dedicated to improving the quality of life for residents of West Tampa. Rather than offering programs and loans, we focus on holistic structured changes that strengthen our neighborhoods. Our work centers around three areas: economic, social, and physical development. Economically, we support entrepreneurship, workforce development, and wealth creation. Socially, we serve youth, seniors, health, education, community building. Presently, we focus on affordable housing, open space zoning and community development, to ensure long-term sustainability, we -- iron income model that builds diverse streams of income beyond grants. Tech center would generate income from local businesses, residents, and aspiring entrepreneurs. That will result in 60% revenue coming from earned income and only 40% from grants. We have received national attention on our tech center as well as inquiries from tech companies as well as -- why this matters now? In 2027, three major policy changes. First, 1134 local government from financing dei programs starting January the 1st. That puts minority businesses, contracting programs and community grants at risk. Second, amendment 3 approved this week giving homeowners a major property tax break, but local government could lose billions of dollars in revenue which may increase higher rent, higher fees and service. Third, the federal government big beautiful bill reduces financial assistance, tightens health coverage and affordable housing. These changes will hit low-income families and local black businesses the hardest. By building our own income, we can keep services in West Tampa no matter what policy change. Finally, we do support the Related Group's request for ground support leases. Thank you very much.

12:04:36PM Thank you, Michael. Always good to hear from you. Erin pickeren. Start with your name, please. Erin, unmute yourself, if you are online. Erin? He's gone. Okay. That concludes public comment. This is the plan. I'll break for lunch at 12:30. 12:30 to 1:30. There's people here from the public that wish to go to item 90. In deference to them, like to hear 90. How many people are here for 91 and 92? Item 90. Then see how it goes.

Ross Samons

12:05:29PM Ross Samons, Development Coordination. Presenting file vac-26-11. The applicant is shawn shumake. The property address is 9401 north 14th street. This is a proposed vacating request to vacate a portion of banyan avenue right-of-way located of North Busch Boulevard, of South Annie Street, east of 14th street, and west of CSX railroad. This application was filed March 30, 2026. The right-of-way is unimproved. Right-of-way was created by subdivision plat. The existing right-of-way is approximately 18,043 square feet. Reason for the request, owner would like to construct a new warehouse on the property utilizing the associated right-of-ways that impact his site. This is an aerial view of the proposed vacating request in yellow. The applicant's property in red. This is the plat in which the banyan avenue was created. Fairview terrace. This is North. Busch Boulevard. And madison is 14th now. And the reason I'm pointing this out is because if you look at the City of Tampa atlas sheets, this shows all previous vacatings in the area. These two blocks here, 9 and 12. This is Busch Boulevard here. All of those -- all of the previous right-of-ways in those two blocks west of CSX railroad have been vacated. This is the last remaining piece of banyan. Again, here is 14th that runs along north CSX. This is an image looking south from 14th street, approximate location of the right-of-way is here. Staff has no objections, vacating request. Easement reservations required by TECO. Special conditions, natural resources comply with chapter 27 regards to tree preservation and site design for any improvements placed adjacent to trees in vacated area. That concludes my presentation. I'm available if you have any questions.

Lynn Hurtak

12:08:01PM Any questions? Do we have an applicant? Come on forward. Please start with your name and tell us all about it. Just looking for the vacancy on the easement just so we can develop our warehouse. We already occupy the rest of the properties moving south. And the -- not allowing our building to go in that area, essentially 50 feet of a setback that we're trying to apply for. It's already been done moving west through the rest of the properties throughout. Ownership of 14th street. I didn't even know this was done. I thought this was done prior to all the other construction development we've done throughout the years.

12:08:51PM Great. Anyone have any questions? Is there anyone from the public that wishes to speak to this item? Just come forward. Start with your name and you'll have three minutes. Jacquelyn ober. I live across the street from the area that he's wishing to vacate the right-of-way. It's a big disturbance his business here. It all started three years ago. On Tuesday nights, they would start to sell marijuana and use this right-of-way that they don't own as parking. And we would park there because the parking is not big enough for our home. So they would start warehouse parties. The smell of marijuana was so strong throughout the whole neighborhood. And the parties would start at 1 a.m. and end at 8 a.m. with loud music every night. I also have pictures to show.

12:09:52PM You can put them right there. And this is the address. 9403. I'm hoping that you deny this for what reason they want this new warehouse right in front of our house, I hope it's not for this again. From 1 a.m. to 7 a.m.

12:10:22PM You'll have rebuttal. Three years ago. This was three years ago. This is a picture from our house. And they constantly have these big trailers here, and this right-of-way that they don't own. And it's very dusty. And they threw gravel on this right-of-way that they don't own. And because it's not a good area, people go and they do doughnuts in this gravel and all the rocks, they fly into our cars across the street. You can see here the doughnuts that they did like a week ago or two weeks ago. And this is the gravel he threw here on his property that he doesn't own. This is a picture of a smoke shop that he also owns down the street on one of his properties. I know my time is about to be up. But this is the property and this is our home right across the street from the right-of-way that he wants to vacate. And he already owns all of these properties, all the way down to the end of the block. He wants this portion. I forgot to mention also, when they were doing the parties three years ago, somebody presented herself as his niece, and they would knock on our door at one in the morning asking to move cars from this area.

Alan Clendenin

12:12:16PM Thank you very much. Next public speaker, please, start with your name. Stephanie poynor. I want to point out something that is extremely disturbing to me. This gentleman is coming in here asking for you to vacate property that he has already built on. There are structures on this easement that he's asking to you -- asking the city to give to him. I don't know about you all, but I don't build anything on anybody else's property. These ladies showed up last time, and the applicant didn't show up. That's why I ask for you guys to hear this early. In my world, we don't build on other people's property to include the city's property. I don't know if there were any complaints made because obviously he's built on somebody else's property. And these nice ladies here have just, wow, all-night parties. That's kind of interesting. But I can see it happening. Bottom line is, this gentleman has built on this property already. It doesn't belong to him and you should not give it to him. 18,000 square feet. 18,000 square feet. That's huge. Why would you give away 18,000 square feet of City of Tampa property? To somebody who has already broken the rules and built some crap on there, looks like a bunch of shanties from up here. I don't know, I don't live in that area. But I'm up here to support these ladies who showed up last time and the applicant didn't. So they have spent two different days sitting here waiting to speak on this item. You should not give this property away. It does not belong to him. He cannot act like it belongs to him because it belongs to all of us. Everybody in this room. It belongs to the city. And that's the way it should stay. Thank you.

12:14:13PM Thank you. Anybody else in the public wishing to speak to this item? Go ahead. Start with your name, please. The owner of the property. She doesn't speak english.

12:14:30PM Would you please state your name and then state your mother's name. This is ava ponce.

12:14:39PM Okay. Go ahead. Go slow. I lived 20 years in this house. And some years ago I've never seen on this property before, everything that's happened now. It's terrible that you give a property that's right in front of my house. The owner works. He doesn't live there. But I know what goes on on this property. And we want the city to consider that that part when there's fire, it's useful for the fire trucks. They park there fire truck there because there is a hydrant there. When they repair the railroad, this area is useful to put material in it and all types of things. It's a small area, but it's good for me to look out for my house and putting a building there would completely cover everything in front of my house. And it's terrible the sounds from the welding from this company. The sounds that I hear in my house. I don't know the previous owner how many years he was there. I live 20 years there, but it's been a terrible experience since this new owner has taken this property. The city should consider that we live there. He only works there. If you would live there, you wouldn't want to live there because of what he does there. Show a picture of how the rocks fly into our yard. From the gravel he threw on property that he doesn't own. They fly into our cars. He threw gravel on a property that he doesn't own. It's not the same in -- if you were to see it in person. We also have our property in front of this property. This new owner has taken property that is not his, and I have pictures as well. And I know this property because I've lived there 20 years.

12:17:40PM Gracias. Thank you. Anybody else in the public wishing to speak to this item? Applicant, would you like to have rebuttal? Come on up. Start with your name, please. I'm the applicant. Many words saying I've taken property that doesn't belong to me. My property, permitted property survey, it goes all the way out to the hydrant they are speaking of. I'm only requesting property on the back side to entertain a building that will be replaced what's already here. All the parties and all of the smoke shops and all that type of stuff, that was actually -- I didn't own those buildings at the time. It was a management company leasing. I demolished and gutted all these buildings. There's no parties, nothing in that nature that's going on. I've been in this place since 2002. They speak about living across the street from my facility. Well, the house that's on the corner, 14th street, I own that one as well. My mother lives there. She lost her house in the hurricane. I wouldn't disrespect my mother in having all of this nonsense there. I wouldn't be putting a building directly in front of their property that they are speaking. The building would be closer to my main facility now and we would get rid of all the other nonsense and also chain-link fence everything that is there. The buildings, that we're seeing on the yellow line, the dotted lines here, this isn't a real survey. These are just proposed property border lines. Anything that is there is there. The only thing I've ever done is a fence line. I still entertain the same fence line that's been there since probably prior 2000s. I've been there since 2002, which kind of supercedes all people living there, longer than anybody. I've given a lot of jobs there. I do own the whole street. It is a full manufacturing welding facility. I probably have 40% of my people that work for me live in the neighborhood. I understand the disrespect and everything that went on prior to me owning the buildings outright. There's nothing there at all. They are vacant properties. The welding going on, I never disrespected along those lines. If anybody went through google maps, they would see the face-lift I have given the neighborhood and where my properties lie. I take too much pride in where I'm at. Trying to get rid of old, dilapidated buildings and put something up newer and cleaner. Again, keep all of our equipment, trucks, and et cetera in our property lines and it would stop that open area that they are saying people are being kids doing doughnuts and what have you in that area. No longer open for anybody to do such. The fire hydrant still would be accepted, with the ordinances, easement still available for the buyer department. I'm asking for behind me so we can put this building in and get rid of all the old parcels, and we could continue on.

12:20:58PM Thank you very much. Motion to close from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. Who would like to take a stab at this? All in favor of closing, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

12:21:15PM I was going to ask a question. When they showed me the thing about whatever concert they had or whatever they had there and what time it was, I don't know if this owner owned it or somebody else. I don't know what time he bought it.

Alan Clendenin

12:21:33PM Reopen the public hearing and get that question answered, if you'd like.

Charlie Miranda

12:21:37PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

12:21:38PM Motion to reopen the public hearing, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. The neighbor, would you please bring the document up about the party that you displayed? About the party, does it have a date on it?

12:22:07PM Can you put that on the overhead again, please?

12:22:11PM And state your name.

12:22:18PM Friday, November 24, 2023.

Charlie Miranda

12:22:23PM The question is, sir, did you own the property that date?

Alan Clendenin

12:22:28PM You have to state your name again. Yes, sir, I did own it. It was an owner finance. At the time they were still entertaining open leases already had prior before myself. I had to entertain it. Owner shook hands with me. When I fully purchased the property outright and -- yes, sir. It was an owner finance.

Charlie Miranda

12:22:54PM Makes no difference. Did you own the property at the time the incident happened?

12:23:01PM Thank you very much.

Alan Clendenin

12:23:02PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:23:03PM Could I ask the neighbor?

12:23:10PM Could you tell us in the last six months or so, have you heard events like that? Has this been going on? Do it again. The lady who would knock on our door one in the morning asking us to move cars off the right-of-way that was public would present herself as his niece and she was the one doing the parties and would knock on our door at one in the morning.

Alan Clendenin

12:23:37PM I have a question for staff. If a new warehouse is constructed on this property, under current rules in zoning and use of this property, would these types of events be permitted by the city?

Ross Samons

12:23:53PM I can't answer that. My boss again.

Eric Cotton

12:23:57PM Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. Events like that would require a temporary special event permit. Allowed to have four per year. Because it is not a place of assembly under the building code, the use, a club use or a bar kind of use would be allowed with approval for alcohol sales through this office, through the City Council, but the events themselves would require a temporary special event that gets processed through our office.

Alan Clendenin

12:24:34PM I don't know, eric, or you can defer. I know this is not uncommon in the City of Tampa, but the structures have been constructed on areas that they don't have the right-of-way. What is the status of that? And what is the city's position on those structures?

Eric Cotton

12:24:49PM The structures in the public right-of-way?

Alan Clendenin

12:24:51PM Structures in the public right-of-way?

Eric Cotton

12:24:53PM Under zoning office it would be a code violation because they are not supposed to be there. You can't be on somebody else's property whether public or private.

Ross Samons

12:25:06PM Development Coordination, I wanted to clarify, the city doesn't own that --

Alan Clendenin

12:25:12PM It's a right-of-way. Thank you for that. That was going to be my next clarification. I do think we have to bifurcate this is about a vacation and not necessarily about some of the things. Obviously, this is a legislative matter so there's some latitude there.

Charlie Miranda

12:25:34PM Mr. Cotton Understands and has nothing to do with this case, but it's happening in West Tampa, close to the stadium. Supposed to be for a hundred people, 2,000 people showed up. That was about a year and a half, two years ago. It was h-e-l-l to clean up the place. All over the whole neighborhood, and that's when I went to call the office, and now I think that changed. You can only have a hundred people in an event or something like that. I'm not sure what happened at the end.

Eric Cotton

12:26:04PM The event that took place that you're referring to was done by error by my office. You can't sell alcohol on residentially zoned property. This would be different because this is nonresidentially zoned property.

Charlie Miranda

12:26:20PM I'm not suggesting this has to do with that at all.

Alan Clendenin

12:26:25PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:26:28PM Mr. Cotton, before you sit down or maybe somebody else knows the answer. I think you were stating a hypothetical, if the property, if the building went into the right-of-way, then it would be a code violation. But do we know if this particular site has before been cited for that?

Eric Cotton

12:26:45PM No, sir, I wouldn't know offhand.

Bill Carlson

12:26:48PM Is there any way to find that out?

Ross Samons

12:26:52PM Development Coordination, not to my knowledge, that it hasn't been cited. I do know they currently have a permit pulled to build the structure, and this was the step they are taking to clear that.

Alan Clendenin

12:27:06PM Does the permit that they pulled include fencing this area to prevent incursions like the doughnuts and stuff that they are talking about?

Ross Samons

12:27:13PM Yes, I would prefer the applicant speak on that. I think from what I've seen in the past, yes, it does.

Alan Clendenin

12:27:21PM So the permit you have filed, would it fence off this area to prevent people from coming into that area and doing doughnuts. Yes, and at the same time, we're speaking of these parcels being built out on the easement, most of those buildings have already been demoed as well. We haven't taken our fence line further out for further construction and development, so we had this executed. There is going to be a fence line, yes, sir. It's in the permit.

12:27:50PM The concern of the neighbor, too, was the flying debris from the surface of this. Is there a plan to change the surface?

12:27:58PM Still gravel and rocks? No longer any traffic in that area. That area is very -- just in the roadway, run 50-mile an hour on that curve. They do disturb that area and it is property that I do own. But I will have that fenced off in the new development. It's not a separate business. This is just an expansion to what I have. So I will house this building. It will be a continuous with sws contracting in that home. It's not going to be leased out to others.

12:28:32PM So for the neighbor, can you come up to the podium? Would having this area fenced and preventing people from going into that area, would that alleviate your concerns? Workers fly down that -- flying down that same curb speaking of, 50 miles per hour.

12:28:57PM Fenced in wouldn't do that. On the road. In his utility trucks. The noise.

12:29:05PM How would the redevelopment of the property, how would that change that or not change that? If it was a different building versus the current building. The fence.

12:29:27PM Anybody else? Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

12:29:30PM This question is for the applicant. This is for vacation of part of a road. I don't remember that many times that we've done that. We've done it with alleys but not very often with roads. Before we close, could you make your best like 10 to 20 second case on why you have to do that? The road was abandoned -- shawn shumake. The road has been abandoned since as far as I can tell with any google maps and what have you. What I'm trying to do is set the building further back so we can ensure that we have appropriate parking for our men that work on-site. We have a plan view that was sent out. The building was pushed forward. We were trying to push the building back to keep work and some of the noise back away from the front of the homes. Larger length building, therefore we can keep all the work under roof rather than having it in the outside work area as we do now. Again, we'll have more of our men contained and all of the eyesores, if you will, under roof with the additional -- it's about 35 to 50 feet from our fence line now back. Again, we're just trying to get a little bit of parking and keep our men inside and any eyesores and everything under roof. That's what we're looking to do and fence in all open areas.

Alan Clendenin

12:30:59PM Staff, could you please speak to what the applicant just said about the current and past historical use of that property?

Ross Samons

12:31:06PM Ross Samons, Development Coordination. I can't speak to the past use of the property, but I can speak to the building location now and his plans to extend into what is right-of-way now and also this portion of the area of the gravel that he's speaking of that is a portion that he's talking about fencing and closing off the entire property that he would own.

Alan Clendenin

12:31:33PM That is not currently a road. Can't be used as a road.

Ross Samons

12:31:37PM All of it is not used as a road, no.

Alan Clendenin

12:31:46PM I have a motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Who wants to take a stab at this?

Lynn Hurtak

12:31:59PM I recognize the chair.

Alan Clendenin

12:32:01PM I move file vac-26-11, ordinance presented for first consideration, ordinance of the City of Tampa, Florida, vacating, closing, discontinuing and abandoning a portion of banyan avenue right-of-way located of North Busch Boulevard, of South Annie Street, east of 14th street and west of CSX railroad as dedicated by the plat of fairview terrace in Tampa, Hillsborough county, Florida, as more fully described in section 2 hereof, subject to certain covenants, conditions and restrictions as more particularly set forth herein, providing for enforcement and penalties for violations, providing for definitions, interpretations, and repealing conflicts, providing for severability, providing an effective date.

Lynn Hurtak

12:32:45PM Do I have a second? Can I second it? I'll second. Any conversation? It just sounds like they are going to fix the problems that they have been talking about. The noise will be going inside as opposed to being outside. They are going to fence off. So to me it seems like something that will improve the area and should help the neighbors. My recommendation to the applicant is to be more open with the neighbors and maybe have a meeting and talk to them, show them the plans a little bit and talk about what you're going to do to alleviate their concerns going forward. I think that would be helpful.

Alan Clendenin

12:33:25PM Also, my observation is we have Code Enforcement sitting behind you. Be a good neighbor.

Lynn Hurtak

12:33:35PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

12:33:36PM And also, council, if council should choose to move this forward to second reading, there would be another public hearing and adoption public hearing, and you'd have an opportunity to have met with them by then if they wish, and perhaps you can bring more information that might address --

Alan Clendenin

12:33:54PM Building plans --

Lynn Hurtak

12:33:55PM Yeah, I think that would be a good idea. Maybe reach out to the neighbors across the street, show the buildings plans, show what you're going to do and meet with them between first and second reading and I think that would be helpful. We see each other every day.

12:34:10PM That's what I would do. I would recommend sitting together like hashing out all the concerns and talking about it. Sometimes showing the plans really do help the neighbors, especially the fence. If you can show exactly where the fence is going to go and where your employees are going to go in so they don't have to make that curve anymore, things like that, that might be helpful to them. I have a motion from Chair Clendenin and I seconded it. I guess we'll probably do a roll call for this. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Charlie Miranda

12:34:46PM Aye.

Lynn Hurtak

12:34:49PM So two opposed. Yeah, roll call, please.

Naya Young

12:34:57PM Yes. Sorry.

Alan Clendenin

12:35:00PM Who? Who?

Bill Carlson

12:35:03PM [Inaudible]

Charlie Miranda

12:35:04PM No.

Guido Maniscalco

12:35:06PM Yes.

Lynn Hurtak

12:35:07PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

12:35:08PM Yes.

The clerk

12:35:09PM Motion passes with Carlson and Miranda voting no. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

12:35:19PM I'm sorry. Security. [ sounding gavel ] security. [ laughter ] would you please escort this unknown violator out? [ laughter ]

Martin Shelby

12:35:32PM The most important part in this hearing is to let the petitioner, the applicant know when the second public hearing is going to be.

The clerk

12:35:41PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on December 3, 2026 At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

12:35:51PM I was distracted by unauthorized --

Martin Shelby

12:35:54PM Excuse me, Mr. Chairman -- Mr. Chairman.

Luis Viera

12:36:04PM See you guys. Congratulations.

Alan Clendenin

12:36:10PM Council --

Martin Shelby

12:36:14PM I have to finish this. Before this gentleman leaves. Just a reminder, you have the date, December 3rd because just to let you know, if you weren't present at a previous hearing and council may still have questions that have been unanswered, and you are absent, then you would be waiving at your own peril. My recommendation is to be able to attend.

Alan Clendenin

12:36:41PM It is 12:38. We need to be back in session at 1:30. Do you want to knock this out real quick? Any objection? That means a 45-minute lunch. No objection. Well, one objection. 91. Let's make this quick. But legal. Taylor Bollt with the city attorney's office. I'm here to present agenda item 91, which is file anx26-27315. This is a petition for voluntary annexation for a property located at 1860 East Fowler Avenue in Tampa, Florida. Just for the record, someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe the City of Tampa has not done an annexation in about ten years. So just wanted to very quickly go over the legal requirements, this process is largely driven by statute and not the City of Tampa code. So Florida statute 171044 discusses the process for a voluntary annexation. That is the situation where a property owner is requesting that their property come within the jurisdiction of the City of Tampa. The requirements in the statute are fairly straightforward. The city needs to receive a petition signed by the property owner, requesting annexation into the city. From there, staff performs a review to ensure that this annexation will not form any enclaves, that it is contiguous with the current city border and that the property is reasonably compact. To summarize what those three requirements mean, we're not creating an island, that is essentially the City of Tampa and it is surrounded by collier -- not collier, Hillsborough county. And eric will be up here in a minute. He will go over the property a little bit more. Along with that, there are some specific notice requirements that the statute requires as well, that the notice be put in the newspaper, which we have worked with the clerk's office to do that. We already provided the applicable notice to Hillsborough county as well. I'm available for any questions.

12:38:50PM Council have any questions? Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

12:38:54PM Do I. Mr. Both, do I have a -- Mr. Bollt, I have a question. On the final agenda, does not state ordinance or resolution -- it's on the addendum?

Alan Clendenin

12:39:04PM We have this one and the next one on the addendum.

Martin Shelby

12:39:08PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

12:39:08PM Mr. Cotton, quickly.

Eric Cotton

12:39:10PM 20-second introduction. Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. There are two before you. This is the first one that's on fowler. Property is 1860 East Fowler Avenue owned by university holdings LTD, slash Utah investment properties LLC. there is an accompanying CPA going forward to, as part of -- one of the requirements. As you can see, the property -- the red line here is the dividing line between the city and the county. You can see part of the building is actually in Hillsborough county's jurisdiction. So the applicant will be going through a plan amendment and a rezoning as part of this process. They have already applied for theirs. Council have any questions?

Charlie Miranda

12:39:57PM I don't have any. This is not the first one I've had.

Alan Clendenin

12:40:01PM You were here when we took West Tampa, right?

Charlie Miranda

12:40:04PM Yeah. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

12:40:05PM Hearing no questions, anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Hearing none, can I get a motion to close? Motion to close from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All in favor?

Lynn Hurtak

12:40:17PM File anx 26-27315, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance of the City of Tampa relating to the voluntary annexation to the City of Tampa, Florida, a municipal corporation, existing under the laws of the State of Florida of a certain unincorporated tracts of land in the general vicinity of 1860 East Fowler Avenue, consisting of approximately .63 acres of land, annexing said property to the City of Tampa upon voluntary petition, from the owner of such property, redefining and extending the boundary lines of the City of Tampa to included the annexed property; providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

12:40:55PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak and a second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed, ayes have it. 92.

The clerk

12:41:03PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on December 3, 2026, At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

12:41:13PM Thank you.

Eric Cotton

12:41:14PM Eric Cotton, Development Coordination. This is the second annexation before you. Property at 11516 North Armenia Avenue. The applicant is online. Vikash singh. Again, in the county, he wants to bring it into the city. He has not applied for the CPA or the rezoning yet. He is aware he will need to be doing so. Again, this is the property. Can't really see the lines. But the property does this. The part in the red hash is actually part of his property that's in the county. He also owns the property here. He's looking to develop it under one jurisdiction. Here for any questions.

Alan Clendenin

12:41:52PM Any questions for staff? The applicant is online. We need to unmute him. He says he's been muted by us. There you go. Start with your name, sir? My name is vikash singh. This is quite new to me, please bear with me.

12:42:14PM If you have nothing to add to the record, we're good. Do you have anything to add to the record?

12:42:22PM Very good. Does council have any questions of the applicant? Hearing none, is there anybody in the public wishing to speak to this item? Seeing none, motion to close from Miranda, second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilman Maniscalco, would you read 92.

Guido Maniscalco

12:42:36PM Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, ordinance of the City of Tampa relating to the voluntary annexation to the City of Tampa, Florida, a municipal corporation, existing under the laws of the State of Florida, of certain unincorporated tracts of land in the general vicinity of 11516 North Armenia Avenue, consisting of approximately .23 acres of land, annexing said property to the City of Tampa upon voluntary petition from the owner of such property, redefining and extending the boundary lines of the City of Tampa to include the annexed property, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

12:43:04PM Motion from Maniscalco, second by Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

12:43:09PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on December 3, 2026 At 10 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

12:43:19PM Thank you. Mayor Ross, you heard this, if you want to present an annexation appeal for Temple Terrace, we're willing to hear it. [ laughter ] we are at lunch. [ sounding gavel ] let's come back at 1:45. 1:45. [Lunch recess]

1:51:17PM Clerk, would you please call the roll?

Charlie Miranda

1:51:18PM Here.

Guido Maniscalco

1:51:20PM Here.

Lynn Hurtak

1:51:21PM Here. Carlson?

Bill Carlson

1:51:23PM Here.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:24PM Here.

The clerk

1:51:24PM We have a physical quorum.

Alan Clendenin

1:51:26PM Thank you very much. Just for clarification of the record, motion to continue item 77 to November 19, 2026? Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

1:51:39PM Yes. I'd like to move items 93 and 94. They were both misnoticed. I'd like to move them to February -- individually? I can do item 93 needs to be moved --

Martin Shelby

1:51:57PM Sorry to interrupt. The correct term for a misnotice would be to direct it to be rescheduled for.

Lynn Hurtak

1:52:04PM We're rescheduling it for February 18, 2027 at 1:30 p.m., 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602. Third floor.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:16PM Hold that thought, exactly what she just said. Notice to open all the 1:30 public hearings? Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak to reschedule 93, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Lynn Hurtak

1:52:33PM Then I have a motion to reschedule item 94 for February 18, 2027, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602 at 1:30.

Alan Clendenin

1:52:45PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it. If I have this correctly, our time certain at 1:30 is now 1:54. I would like to recognize Mr. Tinkler, attorney extraordinaire. For the record, ken tinkler with carlton fields. Here on items 95 through 109. These are your proposed charter amendments. For the record, I wanted to clarify, you probably noticed three items on the addendum. Two of those were for an additional piece of underlining that didn't make it across. The other had an extra word. Purely from a typo standpoint, didn't change the substance. We want to make sure you had as perfect copies as you possibly could have.

1:53:36PM Basically scrivener kind of stuff, nothing substantive.

1:53:40PM Very good. How do you want to do this? Do you want us to just go for it with questions? If you want to dive in with the first reading.

Guido Maniscalco

1:53:59PM When we do each one, can we explain what it is?

Alan Clendenin

1:54:05PM Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

1:54:08PM There are different ways you can do this. This is first reading. It's not a public hearing. Today's discussion would be to decide whether you want to move this forward to second reading and a noticed public hearing on November 19. For the sake of cleanliness in the record and for people's understanding, it probably does not hurt to do them individually rather than just reading them all by title. Do them individually, and that way you could have discussion. You could just read the title and then if that's a motion, then you could move it, then you could open it up for discussion and then you can actually act on all of them at the same time at the end or individually. However you wish.

Alan Clendenin

1:54:52PM Also, for information, because New Tampa district 7 seat is empty, if we just move these forward to second, then we could have public input and we have a full council to discuss that, might be advisable as well so we have a full seven people sitting here. My 3 a.m. in the morning thoughts that it might be worthy of at least thinking, move this through first and then go to second for that. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

1:55:21PM Yeah, there are two or three that I have concerns about. It's not all of them. It's just three of them.

Martin Shelby

1:55:33PM Several of them I suspect will go very quickly.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:38PM Let me ask you this. Which ones would you like to pull for separate discussion?

Bill Carlson

1:55:43PM 95, 99, 101.

Alan Clendenin

1:55:45PM 95, 99, 101.

Bill Carlson

1:55:47PM Can we also comment on your motion -- or your comments earlier?

Alan Clendenin

1:55:52PM Yes, we sure can. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

1:55:57PM I think we should read them each individually because we're going to have different votes. I think we should do them individually and talk about them. Some of them will go fast and some of them we'll have conversations. Let's just do it.

Alan Clendenin

1:56:10PM I did say we could have that conversation. Councilman Carlson, you're recognized.

Bill Carlson

1:56:16PM I think this is back to the comments you made earlier. I have some of the documents now on the mayor's intervention. The mayor also had the political staff go to the meetings, which is their right, but some of the members felt intimidated by that. It's one thing to give input. It's another thing to try to push and bully to get things done. I presented documents from public records over the years. Even though I've taken the documents and circulated them, the mayor and her staff will go through and say they are not real, that they don't exist, that I made it up. This is a persistent issue with the political office for eight years, the communication office for at least four or five years. Filed numerous complaints with the Legal Department. The law says that City staff are not allowed to get involved in political activities. I have all kinds of reports from insiders and staff that folks in the mayor's office have been involved in political activities from recruiting people to knock on doors to raising money during office hours, in the office. But when the communication director goes to the chamber of commerce meeting and sits down next to someone and doesn't know, and they say, how is everything going in the city, oh, it's okay, except that terrible City Council, blah, blah and trash talks me, the public is -- tax money is not paying that person to trash talk City Council. We're half the government, whether the mayor likes it or not, and it's not their job to get involved in politics. When they are engaged in politics on city time for events paid by the city while representing the city, they should be fired. I've told the Mayor This directly. I've told the chief of staff this directly. I've got a bunch of evidence on this. My point is we need to bring back the charter amendment that allows us to fire staff and at the very least we need to be able to fire the city attorney. I don't know if you all remember what happened to dingfelder and Gudes and to some extent Guido and me six years ago, the mayor used the Legal Department as a weapon against us. The last administration certainly used the Legal Department as a weapon against City Council. If City Council has no power to fire people who are doing illegal and unethical things, why are we doing this? In addition to that, the complaints we get about the hostile workplace, the retaliation environment that employees are living in fear, I just had another employee approach me just a few minutes ago. Employees in this organization are living in fear because of the hostile workplace that this administration creates. Then they try to blame it on us. When somebody leaves, they blame it on us. I don't know if you all have seen, but the head of Contract Administration quietly left right around the time that South Howard contract was to be approved. That guy was hired by the administration, but he seemed to be one of the most honest people I knew. Why did he suddenly leave? Honest people don't want to work in an administration with fear. We can't pass charter amendments to allow us to police what's going on and enforce the law with this administration, but we sure can put it in the future. Whether we get a mayor and administration that wants to follow the law or don't, if we have the ability to fire staff and the mayor refuse to fire because they are breaking the law, then at least we have a hammer we can hold over it. I think we need to bring that back. This example you just gave us this morning is another horrific example, whether the mayor authorized this or not, if the mayor knows we have the right to fire that person, then maybe the Mayor Will not order them to do things like that anymore.

Alan Clendenin

2:00:00PM Thank you. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

2:00:04PM No, I'll wait until we go through the items.

Alan Clendenin

2:00:07PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:00:08PM I'm not here to dispute anyone. Their feelings are personal like mine and the rest of the six others. If I have to tell somebody to go to hell, I go see them personally and tell them. I don't try to disrupt the city in any way. The gentleman that just mentioned not by name, there's more to it than what was brought up. I'm not questioning Mr. Carlson at all, but it was not based on his ability from what I found out. It was based on something else. That's all I'm going to say. I don't want to ruin anybody's reputation.

Alan Clendenin

2:00:41PM I'll speak to some of the backstory going on as well because I had a lengthy conversation with the mayor yesterday, because I did exactly what you just described. We ended that conversation with, I wish this conversation had gone better because I would have rather played this out one on one than publicly. That was the opportunity I tried to give. They chose not to take that opportunity. I really wanted it to be a private conversation but they chose not to. That's how we got here today. A couple of things I want to make sure we're clear on. I got a memo from staff -- one of the mayor's staff saying that I had accused that person of violating the sunshine in my talk this morning. I did not. I never said that. All I said was the ideas should be in the sunshine, not for somebody -- in the first place, there is no sunshine between us and staff. It's between us. It's not between -- I can talk to anybody on staff outside of sunshine as I see fit. So even accusing somebody of a law that doesn't exist. What I said this morning was that all of these things, we should all be hearing the same thing at the same time. We should all be making our informed decision based on the same amount of information available to each person. We should have equal opportunity with the same amount of information so that when we do this deliberation, we have that information. Secondly, one of the things that was said was basically I'm accusatory, that I am behind all these charter amendments. I said that absolutely is not true. I said what I did do was I gathered all the information and things that we had acquired through the period of time I sat on council and the concerns that have been expressed. We gathered all of those. Some of those were made through questions the Charter Review Commission, some did not. What I did, I did do a lot of work on it so we have a better product as we move forward, rather than -- have the best product we could to deliberate on, but not the issues themselves. So I want to go on the record and I know you're listening because I've been told you're listening, these were not Alan Clendenin charter amendments. These are City Council proposals, not Alan Clendenin proposals. You know what? Then after we get done with it, it will be the voters of the City of Tampa. I have no skin in this game. If this council wants to vote on all of them yes or all of them no, it is what it is. I am not going to lose a minute of sleep tonight over any one of these charter amendment proposals. Let me channel my Councilman Miranda, and that's all I'm going to say. Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:03:29PM Whatever happens in the future, I'm not going to be on council anymore, so none of this is going to impact me. But I think that for good government, we need more balances. They talk about strong mayor form of government, which is not in the charter. The only reason there's been a strong mayor is that the last two mayors have been bullies over City Council. And the reason why they went after dingfelder, Gudes, me and Guido is because we had four votes to balance out this administration. It was despicable what they did. It's all documented. It's in the media. It's documented. I almost filed -- anyway, I won't go into all the details. Even after the election when the mayor and former mayor raised money to run a million dollars or whatever negative ads against me. I went to this mayor and congratulated her. Let's set that aside, forget it, meet once a month. Every month I was asking her to her face with the chief of staff sitting next, can you call your people off? Can you tell them to stop pitching negative stories? Can you tell them to stop doing opposition research? Can you tell them to stop leaking stuff? And they said no. and so eventually I told the mayor to her face, if you don't stop them from doing this unethical and illegal stuff, if you don't fire them or do something, I'm not going to meet with you anymore. The last time I met other than meeting about baseball was like two years ago. It's just an administration that wants to play dirty politics instead of working to get what's done for the public. It's crazy. Look at the schedule we're having over the CRA. Also the mayor coming out with 10,000 homes, which everybody knows is not real. This craziness that is being done in this city, we just need to be honest with the public. We need to get real information out. The taxpayers need to not pay for dirty politics. Anybody engaged in dirty politics should be fired immediately.

Alan Clendenin

2:05:28PM I see you standing there. But let's move on. If you want to speak to -- to make this morning, if I could address City Council. It's up to the chair and City Council.

2:05:43PM I'll recognize our city Attorney, Scott Steady.

Scott Steady

2:05:45PM Thank you. Chair, members of City Council, Scott Steady, the city attorney. I'm going to say something pretty narrow here, but I'm going to recognize -- Councilman Carlson is going to remind me that I represent both the mayor and the City Council. So I intend to honor that relationship. I really want to follow up with what the chair just said and reiterate so it's on the record and we're on the same page. It relates to both your relationship to the administration, the executive branch and vice versa. And just to confirm that the mayor certainly has the authority and the ability to meet with you individually or have staff, her staff meet with you individually to discuss any issue, certainly any issue before City Council and certainly the charter, that there's no limitation. There's no violation of a statute. There's no violation of an ordinance, rule, ethical requirement or sunshine as you acknowledged.

Alan Clendenin

2:06:43PM I'm glad you said that. I want to make sure you saw in my statement I did not --

Scott Steady

2:06:48PM I just acknowledged. For the record, though. And I appreciate it, but to be clear, and that relates to obviously the charter discussion as well. Again, as I know you know as City Council members, you certainly have the right and ability to meet with the administration, the executive branch, to have communications and that, too, obviously from your standpoint is not in violation of sunshine or any other requirement. Those relationships go back decades where the mayor meets with each one of you. I just want to make sure that's clear. That's all I wanted to make.

Alan Clendenin

2:07:31PM Thank you, Mr. Steady. And I'll have the last word on that. I think part of the conversation I had with the mayor yesterday was part of my concern that I rose was this process of making charter amendments is very specific in the charter and our roles and responsibilities are very specific in the charter. Council's roles, mayor's roles. We created the Charter Review Commission because of the ordinance we passed. The administration had some buy into that as well. We went through that process. Then it comes back to council. Council makes the decision, it goes to the mayor. The mayor can veto or not or sign it. If we pass it, it goes to the voters. It's a very specific process. My concern and what I had expressed and part of my frustration, what was expressed today was partially in that, again, this was so specific to how the process is in the charter. It's very clear in the charter how this process works. Disseminating different information to different people, only selecting certain people, and really waiting and doing it before our deliberations, and not exercising her ability to have that discussion, again, absolutely. If the mayor or anybody else in the city wants to take advantage of their position and go and call a press conference or shout at the sidewalk about how they feel about this, or -- they absolutely are entitled to do that. I'm just repeating the conversation I had yesterday. Part of the thing was I was disappointed that I thought -- I thought that they would do better. So I was personally disappointed because I felt that the relationship and where we were was better than this, and that was my -- I made a comparison how somebody on the street can call me a name or say something, and blows right through me. Friend or family member does it, it punches hard. That's what I felt like yesterday. Councilman Carlson, did you want to say something else?

Bill Carlson

2:09:39PM About 95.

Alan Clendenin

2:09:40PM Unless anybody else has something to say, we'll go to 95.

Bill Carlson

2:09:46PM The ordinance, like on the second page, it has the language that will go in the charter. Below that, it has the language that would go on the ballot. The three I'll give input on, it's to the language that will go into the charter. This one starts -- this is about executive order override section 2.15. It says to the extent permitted by state or federal law and notwithstanding any authority granted to the mayor by this charter, executive order promulgated by the mayor pursuant to section 4.01 of the charter may be rendered void. I would like to take out the section starting in the first sentence that starts with "and notwithstanding any authority granted to the mayor by the charter." I would like to take out that line. I think it's redundant.

Alan Clendenin

2:10:31PM Do we have this on powerpoint that we could put on the wolf? Anybody have copies?

Bill Carlson

2:10:38PM I can put it up, too. I think it's redundant. Also a question about which section of the charter supersedes what section. I don't think we need that.

Alan Clendenin

2:10:46PM With that, Mr. Tinkler, if you would weigh in on that proposed change.

Ken tinkler

2:10:50PM Absolutely. Let me explain why it's there. Various authorities granted to the mayor by the charter. As I understood council's intent here, you wanted the ability to override one of the particular powers the mayor has. To make sure there wasn't then a conflict between another section of the charter and this section of the charter, we included the notwithstanding any other authority, any authority granted by the charter. Clarification to ensure that a later argument isn't made that two sections of the charter cancel each other out in some way. Further conflict between the council and the mayor.

Alan Clendenin

2:11:33PM Councilman Carlson.

Bill Carlson

2:11:34PM I think it's redundant, but also when we go back to issues like who can name a building, the city attorney's office came in and said, well, the mayor -- only the mayor has the right to name the building. It doesn't say that anywhere in the charter. And they said, well, the mayor has admin -- administrative authority over all administration. I said, okay, but it doesn't say the mayor has the authority to name a building. And they said, well, yes, it does, because that would be included under administrative authority. I said can the mayor buy a building without our authority. Paint a building without authority, lease a building? The point is that somebody could misconstrue that the -- just using as an example -- misconstrue that the administrative authority supersedes this. And because I'm in charge of administration, you can't cancel that executive order because that goes against some other section of the charter. I think putting that in doesn't mean that there's not going to be a conflict, but putting it in really neutralizes the whole thing. Somebody will come back and argue, again, it goes back to who controls the city Attorney. This is why the City Council needs the power to fire the city attorney if they are only representing the mayor.

Martin Shelby

2:12:50PM If I can ask council, is that -- having the words "notwithstanding any authority granted to the mayor by this charter," does that then ensure that this would take precedence over other sections in the charter?

Ken tinkler

2:13:09PM That is the intent of the language. I believe we're in agreement with the councilman as far as trying to ensure that this language supersedes any present authority that's otherwise in the charter.

Martin Shelby

2:13:23PM The corollary would be that the absence of that language to take it out then might open the charge that other provision would take precedence over this one?

Bill Carlson

2:13:36PM Instead of notwithstanding say this takes precedent over other sections of the charter.

Martin Shelby

2:13:42PM That's what it says legally.

Ken tinkler

2:13:44PM Right. This is the typical legal term.

2:13:49PM Right. Forgive me for legalese. This is what is typically used in charters when trying to clarify that a particular item gives you the power that you're trying to do. I think we were trying to do exactly what you outlined, councilman. The key was trying to ensure that there wasn't a later conflict between the council and the mayor.

Alan Clendenin

2:14:08PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:14:09PM Thank you very much. I was never too well coached in english, but I did very well in math. In my opinion, notwithstanding any authority granted to the mayor in this charter, that means no matter who the mayor is, notwithstanding what they thought, it's no longer valid. This is the law.

Ken tinkler

2:14:27PM Correct. The intent of the two first phrases, there are going to be circumstances with state and federal law, requires the mayor to give some kind of order. We wanted to avoid that. The second clause, though, was to ensure that there wasn't a conflict between charter sections, given what you're trying to do here in section 2.5 is affecting what is in section 4.01.

Alan Clendenin

2:14:50PM Councilman Maniscalco, did you have something?

Guido Maniscalco

2:14:53PM Yes, executive order overrides. You mentioned something about fire the city attorney, Councilman Carlson. Where does that fall into this?

2:15:02PM Oh, okay. In my time here since 2015, the only time there was an issue that came up that I remember, when we wanted to create the citizens police review board back in '15 or '16 and it was a conflict between the mayor and who had authority of creating the board. Have we ever had other conflicts where we have to override or try to override executive orders? Does anybody remember?

Charlie Miranda

2:15:27PM Only one I remember in my years of service, and that was in 1970 something. Firemen five.

Alan Clendenin

2:15:35PM I would like to add that again, this is how the intent, like I said in my remarks, this isn't about this administration or this council. This is about future administrations, councils.

Guido Maniscalco

2:15:47PM How did the Charter Review Commission vote on this?

Ken tinkler

2:15:51PM This is not a charter review. This is a City Council initiated.

Bill Carlson

2:15:57PM For what Guido said, there are a lot of examples where we didn't get that far, where we had to hire an outside lawyer, but there are other instances, at least in the last 20 years I've been watching, where that has come up. If your legal opinion -- hopefully somebody will watch this in the future when there is a conflict. But if your legal opinion says that if somebody in the future says, well, I've got administrative authority and so therefore you can't do this. If you're saying that this supersedes that, then fine, I'm okay.

Ken tinkler

2:16:24PM I'm saying that is the exact intent of that language, which will live on youtube forever.

Alan Clendenin

2:16:29PM Is there any further discussion on moving item 95 --

Guido Maniscalco

2:16:32PM One last thing, by mayoral executive order, would that include the naming of a building? For example, the mayor traditionally names something for the previous mayor that would be by executive order.

Ken tinkler

2:16:42PM That is beyond my expertise. The key was the ability --

Guido Maniscalco

2:16:48PM You can override a naming of a building or anything else --

Alan Clendenin

2:16:52PM Five votes.

Bill Carlson

2:16:54PM We can do that anyway with naming rules.

Alan Clendenin

2:16:56PM Yes, that is true.

Ken tinkler

2:17:01PM The charter grants the mayor the ability for executive orders in section 4.01. That's why it is tied to that.

Alan Clendenin

2:17:07PM I know there is a lot of consternation on this. I don't understand why because even the president of the united states can veto something and then it goes back. We have this -- this is just a process thing.

Guido Maniscalco

2:17:18PM Like congress --

Alan Clendenin

2:17:23PM Mr. Shelby.

Bill Carlson

2:17:24PM The reason why it's important, and this is why I think we need to add back in the right to, not in this one, but add in the right to be able to fire the city attorney. All the power in the city is with the city attorney. If the city attorney says, oh, no, this is what it is, then just like we were told, oh, only the mayor has the right to name buildings. That was crazy. It's not in there at all.

Alan Clendenin

2:17:48PM I'm going to start a drinking game every time you say the right to fire the city attorney. We'll all take shots.

Bill Carlson

2:17:56PM You guys can google it. You didn't go through the fear we went through six years ago.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:02PM You know he is sitting right there. He can hear you?

Bill Carlson

2:18:06PM Who. I'm not talking about him. The former city attorneys I've hung out with them, it's not the city attorneys. It's what they are forced to do. I think all of them regret the things that they were forced to do by these so-called strong mayors.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:21PM Without any further discussion, Mr. Shelby.

Martin Shelby

2:18:24PM Yes, if you feel comfortable having it read at first reading and then a motion and a vote, unless there's further discussion, please.

Alan Clendenin

2:18:31PM Can I get a motion reading the title on item 95?

Bill Carlson

2:18:43PM I move item 95, file e 2026-8 CH 2, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance --

Alan Clendenin

2:18:56PM With our new rules, we just have to read the title.

Martin Shelby

2:18:59PM By title only. That's state law. You can read it in full if you like.

Bill Carlson

2:19:04PM If I don't have to, I'm not going to read it.

Martin Shelby

2:19:08PM No, wait. You have to read the first title.

Bill Carlson

2:19:11PM An ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to create section 2.15; providing the ability to City Council to override and thus render void an executive order promulgated by the mayor under the charter; providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:19:35PM I have a motion from Councilman Carlson. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Passes unanimously.

Bill Carlson

2:19:44PM Can I say one thing?

Alan Clendenin

2:19:45PM Please no. [ laughter ]

Bill Carlson

2:19:49PM Before the conspiracy theories start circulating, this was not my idea. I just happened to be the one who read it.

The clerk

2:19:56PM I need to read the second hearing. Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:20:09PM Thank you. Item number 96.

Ken tinkler

2:20:13PM Item 96 relates to amending section 2.04 regarding City Council staff positions.

Alan Clendenin

2:20:20PM Very good. Is there any discussion?

Guido Maniscalco

2:20:26PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

2:20:26PM That's true too. No money, you can't hire anybody. Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

2:20:31PM I have a question. When you all hired Ms. Kopesky, what was that --

Alan Clendenin

2:20:38PM That had been -- that was in the charter that we had the ability. It went unfilled -- historically, there was one. Then it went unfilled for many years. And then we exercised the authority under charter to hire her. Councilwoman Young, would you like to move item 96?

Naya Young

2:20:58PM Move item 96. File -- there is a substitute. File e2026-8, chapter 2, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 2.04 to clarify that City Council may create and fill additional staff positions to assist City Council as long as the funds are allocated within City Council's budget, removing the requirement for prior mayoral approval, providing an effective date.

Martin Shelby

2:21:40PM If we can, Mr. Chairman, just for the purposes of the record, you are moving the substitute. The title is the same I believe.

Naya Young

2:21:51PM Yes.

Alan Clendenin

2:21:51PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:21:59PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:12PM Thank you, item 97.

Ken tinkler

2:22:14PM Proposing to amendment section 2.03 of the charter regarding the City Council ability to require members' attendance.

Guido Maniscalco

2:22:20PM Say that again.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:21PM Require membership attendance.

Ken tinkler

2:22:23PM This was a change coming from charter review board. The present language says "compel" and the charter review board recommended changing from "compel" to "require."

Alan Clendenin

2:22:34PM Is there any discussion?

Guido Maniscalco

2:22:37PM [Inaudible]

Ken tinkler

2:22:40PM Of each other.

Alan Clendenin

2:22:44PM Hearing no discussion, Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:22:46PM Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 2.03 clarifying City Council's ability to require their members' attendance, providing an effective date. Although there is a scrivener's error, but that's okay.

Martin Shelby

2:23:13PM Where is it?

Lynn Hurtak

2:23:15PM It's not one member. It's all members. The apostrophe is in the wrong place.

Alan Clendenin

2:23:23PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:23:29PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:23:42PM Thank you. And thank you, kelly. Item 98.

Ken tinkler

2:23:45PM Item 98, proposing to amend section 2.08 of the charter regarding the reading of ordinances at your public hearings.

Alan Clendenin

2:23:59PM Any questions from council on that? Do you have the substitute? 98.

Guido Maniscalco

2:24:06PM Substitute ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to amend section 2.08 clarifying that the ordinance reading procedures must follow general law and clarifying that three City Council members must vote in the affirmative to require the whole text of a proposed ordinance be read at final reading as opposed to only the title of the ordinance when general law requires two readings of the ordinance, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:24:35PM I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco. A second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? The ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:24:42PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in council chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:24:53PM Item 99, Councilman Carlson, you had something to say or introduce it first?

Ken tinkler

2:24:58PM Item 99 is to propose to amend section 4.01 of the charter and create section 4.03. These two provisions would strike the current mayoral term limit and replace it with a more restrictive provision that mandates that no person who has served for mayor -- for more than six years may serve as mayor again, providing that this provision only applies to mayoral time served after the adoption of this amendment.

Alan Clendenin

2:25:23PM Recognize Councilman Carlson. He asked to speak to this first. Do you want me to come back to you?

Bill Carlson

2:25:31PM No. I'm trying to find the document. That's the part -- can you read that language? That was the part that was added that I didn't agree with. What it says -- it's funny because the last two mayors ran ads against our term limits and said it was an evil conspiracy to give us longer terms. What this says is that it all restarts after this is approved. I wish instead of saying it would restart, that it's just not applicable to the candidates in the 2027 election.

Alan Clendenin

2:26:13PM Let me go to the other two councilpersons.

Guido Maniscalco

2:26:19PM Six years, we had a mayor in 1987 finish up the term, sandy freedman, for Martinez, and then ran for a full term and then got reelected to the second term. Would that prohibit her from having done that? She was there from 87 to 95?

Ken tinkler

2:26:39PM It would depend when the time fell. If they served two years and a day here, then they would only be able to run for one term beyond that.

Guido Maniscalco

2:26:48PM That's interesting. You serve two. You can sit out one and then run again as it is now, like dick greco, for example. So a mayor at six years would already be prohibited to continue --

Alan Clendenin

2:27:01PM Six years and a day.

Guido Maniscalco

2:27:02PM Six years and a day but wouldn't ever be able to get to the eight year.

Ken tinkler

2:27:08PM Correct. That is how, looking at other charters, looking at other term limit provisions, when a person is in the acting position for a majority of the time, so we always look at the point in the middle, typically that's considered to be a term of service. But that is up to council as far as direction.

Guido Maniscalco

2:27:25PM But it doesn't prohibit a mayor from serving two four-year terms.

Ken tinkler

2:27:31PM Correct.

Guido Maniscalco

2:27:32PM A new mayor gets elected this spring, they can serve their full eight years and going forward. But if they served previously, they cannot go past the six-year period.

Ken tinkler

2:27:44PM Let me clarify. This is a replacement of the current term limit. Everything that happened before the adoption of this provision doesn't count towards the new term limit. If someone serves for more than six years, as mayor, they cannot then be elected as mayor in the future. They can complete an eight-year term. It's all about the election. And that's the provision that we have here in 4.03 trying to make that clear.

Alan Clendenin

2:28:12PM Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:28:13PM I want to clarify that. So in this case, let's say this mayor leaves. Chairman becomes mayor. So only serves now seven months, he can do eight years.

Ken tinkler

2:28:26PM Correct.

Charlie Miranda

2:28:26PM If he did two years, he can't.

Ken tinkler

2:28:31PM Correct. He could do an additional four-year term.

Charlie Miranda

2:28:34PM I'm not going to follow that. I don't think that's right to whoever the chairman is, chairperson or government is, it doesn't happen in the federal government. Doesn't happen in the state government that I know of. Does it?

Ken tinkler

2:28:46PM There's multiple places where it's similar language.

Charlie Miranda

2:28:50PM Eight years they can serve. Over here, now you can't serve. You'll serve six. Cheating the public or the individual in office.

Ken tinkler

2:29:02PM This is completely discretionary. It's up to you.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:09PM Let's say two years ago and I was acting chair and the mayor left, and I served more than two years, they would consider that a full term. Then I would only run one more. If I served more than half of a term, it's considered a full term.

Charlie Miranda

2:29:24PM But you can serve one day short of the two years and run for eight years.

Alan Clendenin

2:29:29PM Yes, correct. You have to draw the line somewhere.

Charlie Miranda

2:29:36PM I just drew it. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

2:29:38PM Is it dotted or dashed?

Bill Carlson

2:29:41PM I share his confusion. I think it's confusing the public. The part I object to which we didn't talk about, I think, and it ended up in the language is the second sentence which says, any time served as mayor of Tampa before the adoption of this section shall not be considered in determining individual's total time served as mayor. I think everybody loves sandy freedman. She gets frustrated enough, she could come back and run again. And nothing against her because she probably would be great, but this says that all the time she served does not count. And what that means is, bob Martinez can come back, dick greco could come back, all these folks. It's not punitive to anybody in particular, but I think instead of that sentence, we should say that it does not apply -- that the prohibition does not apply to the 2027 election. Let's say that if sandy freedman decides to run, which she could -- hi, sandy -- she could decide to run. So right now, there's no prohibition. It's not in the charter. But if at the same time she's elected, this goes in, it's not going to go backwards and say you don't qualify. But she would not be able to serve a second term after that. It's not re-setting the time. It's just not applying to that particular election.

Ken tinkler

2:31:22PM The reason the proposal ended up here and this has been the same language at each of the workshops, was to not treat this as attacking any particular individual, their service, anything along those lines. It was to be a reset of the term limit provision as of the adoption by the voters.

Bill Carlson

2:31:41PM That's what I'm saying, too. What it's saying is any living mayor going back to Martinez, he could run again because whoever is the next one would be -- would have to follow this in the future. Everybody would have to follow the future. Somebody who already served eight years or sandy served more than eight years, it would not apply to them. They would have a reset clock. My point is not to reset the clock.

Ken tinkler

2:32:11PM Our concern from equal protection standpoint is you are then targeting individuals because you are allowing certain individuals to run for two terms going forward and other individuals to only run for one term. That was concern from trying to treat everyone fairly here in this particular provision.

Alan Clendenin

2:32:29PM I get what they are doing. Obviously, it's kind of semantics. Because the reality is, I don't think dick greco is coming back to run for mayor. And you've got sandy and pam and Governor Martinez. I get the reset of the clock. It's just a hard reset of the clock. Sometimes you have to draw the line somewhere. Without calling out this one specific election. I hear what you're saying 100%. I think it's kind of de minimis.

Bill Carlson

2:33:03PM It's not about any one person. Five of them still alive that could run. But it's saying -- anyway, I'm going to vote against this as it is then.

Alan Clendenin

2:33:15PM Any further discussion? Hearing none --

Charlie Miranda

2:33:23PM I'm not going to read it because I'll vote against it.

Lynn Hurtak

2:33:26PM Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 4.01 and create section 4.03 to strike the current mayoral term limit provision and replace it with a more restrictive provision that mandates no person who has served as mayor for more than six years may be elected as mayor again, providing that such provision applies only to time served as mayor after adoption of said amendment, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:34:03PM This is just moving it to second when we'll have full council. Just fyi.

Bill Carlson

2:34:07PM As long as I can run ads that say it is a devious plot just like they did the last time.

Alan Clendenin

2:34:13PM I have a motion and second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

2:34:18PM Nay.

Bill Carlson

2:34:20PM Nay.

Alan Clendenin

2:34:21PM Clerk, would you call that, please?

The clerk

2:34:23PM The motion carries with Miranda and Carlson voting no. second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026, 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:34:37PM Thank you. Item 100.

Ken tinkler

2:34:38PM Item 100, proposal to amend section 6.02 of the charter, four-year term of office applies to mayor and City Council members and removing language referencing the 1979 adoption.

Alan Clendenin

2:34:50PM I don't think any discussion on this. But is there any discussion on this? Hearing none, Councilman Maniscalco -- Councilman Miranda. 100.

Charlie Miranda

2:35:02PM File number e 2026-8, chapter 6, an ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to revise charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 6.02 clarifying the four-year term of office under this section applies only to the mayor and council members and removing language referencing 1979 adoption. This is a continuation of 99, isn't it?

Ken tinkler

2:35:43PM Well, 99 dealt with the term limit for the Mayor. This is simply to clarify -- the charter uses the word officers in multiple ways where individuals such as the city attorney are an officer, you are all officers. The Charter Review Commission concerned in this provision was that the four-year term was meant for the mayor and the City Council. It's just to clarify that your regular term of office is four years.

Charlie Miranda

2:36:09PM Has nothing to do with the other prior.

Ken tinkler

2:36:12PM Doesn't have to do with the term limit.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:14PM More substantive than scrivener but clarifying language. Sorry, providing an effective date.

Charlie Miranda

2:36:21PM Providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:23PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

The clerk

2:36:30PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:36:40PM 101.

Ken tinkler

2:36:41PM Item 101 is proposal to amend section 6.06 of the charter removing obsolete language, clarifying majority vote under the section requires at least four members of the council to increase or decrease salaries of officers of the city, provide City Council may act under this section pursuant to resolution or ordinance.

Alan Clendenin

2:37:00PM Is there any discussion?

Guido Maniscalco

2:37:02PM Does this apply to anybody in the city or is it City Council salaries or what is it?

Ken tinkler

2:37:13PM This deals with the officer power you have. It's purely a cleaning up the language and adding in the provision that you can October by ordinance in addition to resolution.

Guido Maniscalco

2:37:22PM Whose salary? A department head or an elected individual, meaning the mayor and seven of us.

Ken tinkler

2:37:29PM Yeah, we would have to pull up section 6 to see which officers in that section because the charter does that in multiple places.

Alan Clendenin

2:37:35PM Mr. Shelby, do you have access to that at your fingertips?

Martin Shelby

2:37:41PM I don't know how current this is.

Guido Maniscalco

2:37:46PM Is it the 1975 copy?

Lynn Hurtak

2:38:04PM Turn your mike on.

Martin Shelby

2:38:05PM What is the question then?

Ken tinkler

2:38:07PM Section 6.06.

Martin Shelby

2:38:09PM As it presently states.

Ken tinkler

2:38:11PM The question I believe was regarding salaries as to which officers --

Martin Shelby

2:38:18PM I'm going to pull this up online. Better if I read this online because I don't know whether this is the most updated one. Salary or salaries of officers of the city may be increased or decreased at any time by the concurrence of the mayor and a majority of no fewer than four votes of the entire council which concurrence shall be documented by resolution, comma, or ordinance of the council recommended or approved in writing by the mayor. That's the way it presently reads.

Guido Maniscalco

2:38:46PM My question was, who are the officers -- whose salaries can we adjust?

Charlie Miranda

2:38:58PM Officer could be anybody.

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:01PM Department head, elected position, what is it?

Martin Shelby

2:39:05PM Section 6.01, officers. The government of the city shall be conducted by the following named officers and boards: a mayor, a City Council, a city clerk, a city attorney, a director of finance also known as the chief financial officer, and internal auditor, a Chief of Police, a chief of the Fire Department, a Civil Service Board, a Board of Trustees of the city employees retirement --

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:34PM It's a lot of people.

Charlie Miranda

2:39:36PM People that work under the mayor that runs part of the city.

Guido Maniscalco

2:39:39PM Okay. Thanks.

Alan Clendenin

2:39:40PM Thank you very much. Does council have any further questions? Hearing none, Councilman Carlson. Beaut on this one as well. Do you have access to that? Here it is if you don't. For 101.

Bill Carlson

2:40:00PM Move 101, file number e 2026-8 CH 6, substitute ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to amend section 6.06 to remove obsolete language, clarify that a majority vote under said section requires no fewer than four members of City Council to increase or decrease salaries of officers of the city, provide that City Council may act under said section pursuant to resolution or ordinance, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:40:47PM Motion from Councilman Carlson. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Clerk.

The clerk

2:40:53PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:41:04PM You need that on recording. 102.

Ken tinkler

2:41:10PM Item 102, amend section 6.05 to remove the obsolete residency requirement reference in the oath of office for nonelected city officers.

Alan Clendenin

2:41:21PM Any questions? Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

2:41:25PM File e 2026-8, chapter 6, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to amend section 6.05 to remove the obsolete residency requirement reference in the oath of office for nonelected city officers, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:41:55PM Motion there Councilwoman Young, second from Maniscalco. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Clerk.

The clerk

2:42:00PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:42:10PM 103.

Ken tinkler

2:42:12PM Item 103, proposal to amend section 7.05 of the charter to ensure accordance with state law. 7.05 is regarding the millage.

Alan Clendenin

2:42:21PM Council have any questions? Hearing none, Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:42:24PM Item number 103, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 7.05 to ensure accordance with state law, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:42:49PM Motion from Hurtak, second from Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Unanimously.

The clerk

2:42:53PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026, at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:04PM Thank you. Item 104.

Ken tinkler

2:43:06PM Proposal to amend section 7.07 of the charter to allow the City Council to initiate midyear budget changes without the need for mayoral recommendation and in a manner consistent with general law.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:18PM Anybody have questions on 104? Hearing none, Councilman Maniscalco. 104.

Guido Maniscalco

2:43:23PM Again, we're not going to have any money with amendment 3. We have an ordinance being presented for the first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to amend section 7.07 to allow City Council to initiate midyear budget changes without the need for mayoral recommendation and in a manner consistent with general law, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:43:46PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:43:51PM Clerk second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19 -- November 19, 2026, 11 a.m., City Council Chambers, 315 Kennedy Boulevard, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Ken tinkler

2:44:04PM 105, proposal to amend 9.02 of the charter to remove the obsolete requirement that the Chief Building inspector be the ex officio director of the zoning adjustment board. It doesn't exist.

Alan Clendenin

2:44:16PM I just can't let the Chief Building inspector go. Any questions? Hearing none, Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:44:22PM I'll read it, but I have to make a confession that I was here in 1975. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

2:44:30PM I knew the Chief Building inspector.

Charlie Miranda

2:44:33PM And you were here. File 105, e 2026-8, chapter 9, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975 as amended to amend section 9.02 to remove the obsolete requirement that the Chief Building inspector shall be ex officio director of the zoning adjustment board, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:02PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:45:08PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:20PM Thank you. 106.

Ken tinkler

2:45:21PM Item 106, proposal to amend section 10.07 of the charter, to provide procedure for citizen's initiatives and referendums in accordance with general law.

Alan Clendenin

2:45:31PM Council have questions? Councilman Carlson, would you like to read item 106?

Bill Carlson

2:45:36PM Move item 106, file e 2026-8, CH 10, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 10.07 to provide a procedure for citizens' initiatives and referendums that is in accordance with general law, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:46:04PM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Carlson, a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Clerk.

The clerk

2:46:12PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:46:23PM 107.

Ken tinkler

2:46:25PM 107, proposal to amend section 10.06 of charter to remove obsolete reference to the year the provision took effect.

Alan Clendenin

2:46:32PM Thank you. Council have questions? Hearing none, Councilwoman Young, would you read 107?

Naya Young

2:46:37PM File e 2026-8, chapter 10, ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 10.06 to remove obsolete reference to the year the provision took effect, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:00PM Motion from Councilwoman Young, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Clerk.

The clerk

2:47:05PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:15PM Thank you. 108.

Ken tinkler

2:47:16PM Item 108 is proposal to amend section 11.03 of the charter to remove obsolete reference to the terms of officers elected in 1975.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:24PM Thank you. Does council have any questions?

Guido Maniscalco

2:47:27PM What is this specifically?

Alan Clendenin

2:47:30PM Do you remember what this was? Off the top of my head, I can't remember.

Lynn Hurtak

2:47:34PM Office terms elected in 1975.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:38PM Just taking out the old stuff.

Ken tinkler

2:47:40PM There is a sentence in 11.03 that says, all officers elected in 1975 -- shall continue in office for the term to which they were elected.

Alan Clendenin

2:47:49PM Are we okay with that?

Guido Maniscalco

2:47:51PM Did we go past the one of removal of department heads?

Alan Clendenin

2:47:57PM We killed that before. That didn't make it to this point.

Lynn Hurtak

2:48:05PM Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to amend section 11.03 to remove obsolete reference to the terms of officers elected in 1975, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:48:24PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously.

The clerk

2:48:31PM Clerk second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:48:45PM I know this saddens you, but this is the last one.

Ken tinkler

2:48:49PM The last few prove that your Charter Review Commission read every word of the charter in bringing some of those to you, that's for sure. Item 109 is amending the charter of the City of Tampa to create article 12, section 12.01 creating the appointed position and office of the inspector general. I think you heard all the details as far as that goes. Happy to provide any information you need.

Guido Maniscalco

2:49:13PM I know Mr. Creighton, I believe, was like the lead on this. He's amazing already, but he put a lot of work in this. I spoke to my appointee, Stephen benson, who was also in support of the inspector general. My only concern is I want to -- I support it if it's what Mr. Creighton Proposed, what the Charter Review Commission proposed and their parameters. I know council gave it more teeth, made it broader. I want to support what the Charter Review Commission voted for.

Lynn Hurtak

2:49:51PM I'm going to say that the charter commission voted for what they voted for just to get it to us so we could strengthen it. They didn't have enough support to go as far as they wanted to.

Alan Clendenin

2:50:02PM The two people you mentioned didn't have the support --

Lynn Hurtak

2:50:06PM They wanted the teeth that we gave it.

Guido Maniscalco

2:50:08PM Okay.

Alan Clendenin

2:50:09PM Any other questions?

Bill Carlson

2:50:11PM For the record, I wanted to say the stated purpose in this first section of this ordinance is audit contracts, programs, projects, expenditures. That's what the existing audit department already does, exclamation mark. We already have an audit department with a budget of nearly one million and six full-time staffers that crank out audit reports. That was from the mayor's staff.

Alan Clendenin

2:50:38PM As I stated in my statement this morning there is a difference between IG investigator department and Internal Audit Department. Very distinctive different type of roles.

Bill Carlson

2:50:54PM Nothing disparage being the audit department. I met with them many times. The first time I met with them was at the recommendation of the chief of staff years ago. They serve a purpose. Mostly what they are doing is process analysis. They are not looking for fraud. An audit does not -- when you do a CPA audit, it specifically does not look for fraud. We need an inspector general to look more deeply into everything. If the audit department reports to the mayor, no matter how honest the person is, they report to the mayor. It needs to be an outside group. I was reading that to be facetious, by the way.

Alan Clendenin

2:51:31PM I kind of picked that up halfway through.

Guido Maniscalco

2:51:34PM It didn't get enough votes to be recommended to us by the charter review. It failed --

Alan Clendenin

2:51:39PM The Charter Review Commission forwarded it. They wanted an IG. The charter amendment that we have before us has more teeth to it. Which is what bobby and Stephen wanted. Bobby and Stephen, if I'm mischaracterizing your positions please let me know. But I don't believe I am. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

2:52:02PM Let me ask this, whoever he or she is, is this going to be an individual who only looks out or is he or she in the books of everything looking for fraud? There are two things, one that understands budgeting and performance of a budget and so forth. And one that's got a nose like a greyhound, not a greyhound, only do speed, not run, but like a real greyhound, bloodhound that understands where to look at. The cost of this, what a million dollars a year.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:36PM It hasn't been costed out.

Charlie Miranda

2:52:43PM I'm not against something like this, but we have an internal and external auditor to do things.

Alan Clendenin

2:52:48PM It's funny, councilman, not to -- I'm kind of violating my own rules here. I'll be honest with you, I was kind of there, too. But I understand, especially as I did the research, the number of municipalities in the State of Florida that have this. In fact, have very similar language that's in front of us today.

Charlie Miranda

2:53:10PM What have they found?

Alan Clendenin

2:53:13PM That I can't tell you. I just know -- I don't want to be the guy that votes against an IG. [ laughter ] Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

2:53:21PM So I had an opportunity. I met with our department and kind of walked me through what their processes are. A lot of these, I'm very interested in the second readings and hearing what the public has to say. To councilman Maniscalco's point, if it is what our charter committee was recommending, getting it to us, I still think there are some things that we can flesh out exactly. What is this going to look like, but I'm very interested in hearing and seeing what the public thinks for the second reading. But I don't think that there is a bad thing, but I did, just so I have a full, you know, knowledge met with our department to know exactly what it is they do, don't do, what changes things going forward. Just to put that there.

Charlie Miranda

2:54:25PM I really appreciate that. My concern is this. I vote for it on first reading but I'll find out. In order for somebody to find something, somebody else got to find it.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:35PM Something else to consider, this IG going to investigate us too.

Charlie Miranda

2:54:39PM Yeah, that's fine. I get investigated every day. We all are. You're getting investigated one way or the other.

Alan Clendenin

2:54:52PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:54:52PM I just want to say that there is a vast difference between an auditor and investigator. Our internal auditing team, they have to do what they have to do. I read through each of those audits and I actually go back to them and ask for more information often. I'm sure they are tired of hearing from me, but an audit is vastly different than what this is. I support this mainly because, yes, this is something that we have in other municipalities and I think it's something the City of Tampa needs. But it can research any of us. It's not just -- it's not just interior City departments making sure things are going the way they should. They are looking for stuff that isn't going well.

Alan Clendenin

2:55:41PM If there's no further discussion, Councilwoman Hurtak, would you read 109?

Lynn Hurtak

2:55:46PM Sure. Ordinance being presented for first reading consideration, an ordinance relating to the government of the City of Tampa, Florida, submitting to the electors of the city a proposed amendment to the revised charter of the City of Tampa of 1975, as amended, to create article xii, section 12.01, creating the appointed position of and an office of inspector general; setting the office's purpose, providing for independent activity and noninterference by city officials, authorizing use of legal and human resources city services, requiring an implementation ordinance be adopted on a certain schedule, specifying the role of the office under the charter, granting certain powers including subpoena authority, requiring cooperation by city officers, employees, and contractors, setting appointment method, term, removal method, and process to fill vacancies by City Council, providing for office budget request process, providing an effective date.

Alan Clendenin

2:56:42PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak, a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Clerk.

The clerk

2:56:50PM Second hearing and adoption will be held on November 19, 2026 at 11 a.m. in City Council Chambers, 315 East Kennedy Boulevard, third floor, Tampa, Florida, 33602.

Alan Clendenin

2:57:01PM Thank you. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:57:02PM I would say that if anybody has questions for how their person voted, I would ask them to reach out to that person and ask for more detail if they want to know like what they really thought.

Alan Clendenin

2:57:14PM Councilwoman Hurtak, would you take the gavel for a moment?

Bill Carlson

2:57:18PM May I just say, I need to -- I apologize. I thought we would be done by now. I have a meeting I have to go to. I have to excuse myself. I will be watching.

Ken tinkler

2:57:33PM Thank you, council. I'll see you in two weeks.

Lynn Hurtak

2:57:40PM Yes, I recognize you, chair.

Alan Clendenin

2:57:43PM Thank you. Dear attorney tinkler, on behalf of the chair of Tampa City Council, I would like to extend our sincere appreciation for your legal guidance and service to the Charter Review Commission. Your role as the commission's attorney was essential to providing members with the legal insight, counsel, and direction necessary to navigate the charter review process. Throughout the commission's proceedings, your knowledge of municipal law and the city charter helped inform discussions, clarify legal uncertainties and ensure that members had the appropriate guidance as they examined potential changes to the City of Tampa governing framework. Your willingness to share your expertise and assist the commission through the important process reflects a meaningful commitment to the integrity and effectiveness of local government. Thank you for your time, professionalism, and dedication you brought to this responsibility. Your contributions were invaluable to the commission's efforts and will continue to serve as an important part of the city's ongoing commitment to strengthening government and better serving our beautiful city. Thank you, Mr. Tinkler. [ applause ]

Ken tinkler

2:58:53PM Thank you, council. I will see you in two weeks.

Lynn Hurtak

2:58:57PM Great.

Alan Clendenin

2:59:02PM Thank you very much. We're moving on to items that were pulled from the consent agenda. If I have this correct, it's 8 and 9. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

2:59:11PM Yes, I believe we have folks here to chat about 8 and 9 maybe.

Alan Clendenin

2:59:18PM Staff report.

Lynn Hurtak

2:59:20PM I just wanted to let you all clarify for the public that this has nothing to do with current flock or video. For item 8, it's really a multiagency cooperation. Whatever you can do just to clarify for the public that 8 and 9 don't have anything to do with.

2:59:54PM Start with your name. Lieutenant demetrius german from the Tampa Police Department. Going back to item 8 on the consent agenda, the multiagency voluntary task force is basically just a task force to work on drone detection. So basically pasco county purchased a drone system which the local agencies around kind of participate in, not kind of, we all went into an interlocal agency agreement which I think was signed back in 2025. Basically what this task force does, instead of tasking one agency to supply manpower, all partnering agencies supply manpower for it. It has nothing to do with flock whatsoever. It's basically the agencies working on and working together to do drone detection.

3:00:57PM Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:00:57PM Councilwoman Young.

Naya Young

3:01:02PM You kind of answered my question. For 8 and 9, it's for drone detection? That was for consent agenda 8.

3:01:11PM That's for drone detection.

Alan Clendenin

3:01:14PM Anybody else have any other questions on item number 8? Can we talk about item number 9? Let's let them do their thing first. Captain Benjamin brown, Tampa Police Department. I'm here to address item 9, which is in reference to the opsintel time situational awareness, also known as street SMART. Again, has nothing to do with flock. This is an internal intelligence type database. It allows us to share information between squads, districts, units from day to day. For an example, it's set up to be able to use as a blogging device to put information for what your squad may have done over the span of your shift on a specific day so that the following squad or the next day or the next shift are able to find what you were able to do or to continue on investigations that you had started.

3:02:09PM Councilwoman Young, do you have questions?

Naya Young

3:02:12PM Yes. How does this program, does it work with the peregrine or are they two separate programs? Do they work together? Completely two different companies. Separate stand-alone.

3:02:34PM Do they do the same thing? What is the difference. Together from other groups or other systems within the department and makes it easier to search information. This program is just -- you're able to put information into it. The way Tampa Police Department uses it. I'm sure there may be other means that other departments use or other agencies, but the way we use it is just information sharing. It's two completely different programs.

3:03:12PM I'm still confused. Is it the same information going in both programs or is it different information going in the programs? My understanding of it, with this program that we're talking about, street SMART, that is a program that you put information into, not specific -- for example, at the end of my squad shift, if I was a sergeant, I may put an end of shift in there that outlined everything that my squad or unit did during that shift. The other program that you're referring to is a search program. It allows you to search and pull information from multiple platforms into one. Hopefully that cleared it up for you. I'm sorry.

Alan Clendenin

3:03:57PM Any further questions? Councilman Miranda, would you please move items 8 and 9.

Charlie Miranda

3:04:01PM Move items 8 and 9 resolution.

Alan Clendenin

3:04:04PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it unanimously. Thank you very much.

3:04:10PM Let's talk about 111. Who is representing 111?

Lynn Hurtak

3:04:22PM I thought we agreed to accept 111 and 113. I move items 111 and 113.

Guido Maniscalco

3:04:30PM I have to read the stats.

Lynn Hurtak

3:04:32PM There is a stat reading.

Alan Clendenin

3:04:34PM Councilman Maniscalco, tag, you're it.

Guido Maniscalco

3:04:38PM I'll read this whole thing.

Martin Shelby

3:04:44PM Why don't we have a set up from staff? Just the box. This is the annual report that is required --

Alan Clendenin

3:04:58PM Do you have a copy?

Guido Maniscalco

3:05:01PM You still want me to read it.

Martin Shelby

3:05:03PM That's what it says in the second paragraph.

Guido Maniscalco

3:05:07PM Are you ready? Here we go. Notices of violations issued. This is red light cameras. 91,911. Make sure you stop at that light before you make the right turn. Notices of violations contested 43. Notices of violation, 343. Notice of violations dismissed 101. Very hard to get out of these. Number of uniform traffic citations issued 27,151. Number of notices of violations paid, 55,884. Revenue paid to the state, 5,150,871. Revenue paid to Verra Mobility, 2,098,103. Net revenue for the city excluding operation cost, 4,780,991. Distributed to intersection safety capital project, 1,195,248. And distributed to the General Fund, $3,585,743.

Alan Clendenin

3:06:12PM Thank you. Just for the public, understanding, this is an annual requirement of required reading of status of red light camera information. Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:06:22PM I have a question. So it says notice of violations issued and notice of uniform traffic citations issued. That's over a hundred thousand. But it looks like only half of them have been paid. What's up with that? Number one, haven't gone through the system yet. Two being contested or three the people just haven't paid that. A lot of the times, and that's when you see the uniform citations issued, if you don't pay the original fine, then it will turn into a uniform traffic citation. If you add the 27,151 and 55,884, that gives you a true number of what has been distributed back in. That's going to be less than the 91,000 because there are outliers that just haven't responded to it or are contesting it.

3:07:17PM So what happens with the outliers? Like, how long do they go to collections? Because it's really important that people pay their tickets because otherwise they are going to keep doing it. What will happen if you don't address that, you get your warnings for the civil -- just infraction, and if you don't, it goes to uniform traffic citation, if you don't address that, then your license will be suspended.

3:07:46PM Thank you. I appreciate that.

Alan Clendenin

3:07:47PM Councilwoman Young, you had a question.

Naya Young

3:07:49PM Yes. So distributed to General Fund, so since we've initiated these cameras, this is how much money has gone to the General Fund, the 3 million -- [indiscernible]

3:08:04PM That's just this year. 12 months.

3:08:11PM Is this funding here what we're going to be talking about for 112.

Alan Clendenin

3:08:18PM This is the red light intersection red light cameras, illegal turns, running red lights.

Naya Young

3:08:25PM What happens with this money?

Alan Clendenin

3:08:31PM Distributed to intersection safety capital, that allocation and this went into our General Fund.

Naya Young

3:08:39PM This is already allocated to things.

Alan Clendenin

3:08:46PM Hearing nothing else, if there's no other comment, can I get a motion to receive and file 111 and 113. Motion from Maniscalco. Second from Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. 111 and 113. Now we're at 112. This is the school zone camera. This is with regard to item 112 on the agenda. On August 6, 2026, City Council introduced a motion directing staff to amend section 14-56j to designate all funds retained under chapter 316 Florida statutes to administering speed detection systems in school zones and to infrastructure-focused safety initiatives within school attendance zones defined by Hillsborough County School district. Subsequent to the submittal of the ordinance, the draft ordinance, I had a meeting with Emily hinsdale and Councilman Carlson, and they made some tweaks to the draft ordinance. At this time, I'd like to give City Council or submit to City Council the revised draft ordinance.

3:10:03PM Thank you. Could you hand that to Mr. Shelby, please?

Lynn Hurtak

3:10:23PM [Inaudible]

Alan Clendenin

3:10:24PM I've got mine.

Justin Vaske

3:10:25PM I wanted to make sure we were all literally on the same page.

Alan Clendenin

3:10:30PM I know we'll have some time for discussion. Now we need to schedule this for first reading?

Justin Vaske

3:10:35PM Yes. My request would be possibly the first meeting in December we can have first reading.

Alan Clendenin

3:10:42PM December 3rd. [Indiscernible] is there any discussion over this? Hearing none, who would like to make the motion to schedule this?

Lynn Hurtak

3:10:54PM I make a motion to put item number 112 on the December 3rd first reading. Agenda.

Alan Clendenin

3:11:06PM I have a motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Councilwoman Young beat you to it, Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilwoman Young. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Thank you very much. We don't need to read that one, right?

Lynn Hurtak

3:11:20PM No.

Alan Clendenin

3:11:21PM I didn't think so. Very good. Now we are on Abbye Feeley time. 114.

Abbye Feeley

3:11:35PM Good afternoon, council. Abbye Feeley, administrator of development and economic opportunity. I am here to give you the bimonthly update on the land development code. We have had a busy October. October 1st, we released installment 2 of the land development code. On the second, we had a meeting of our technical advisory group where clarion associates went over what is in the installment, how it's organized. The installment 2 is predominantly procedures and administration of the code. I did bring a few little handouts just to share on the elmo today. It's mostly administrative procedures and processes that are spread throughout the code, and now are being organized into one chapter of the code. An example that clarion gave is like the Variance Review Board. Heard by the BLC, the ARC and the VRB. Right now inside the land development code, that's touched on in three different places. So this will have one place that the variance review discussion takes place and it's more organized that way. There are two key changes that are in installment 2. One is the proposal of a hearing officer for a certain number of appeals that currently come to City Council. And the other is a restructuring of the design exception process. Those were the two key changes that we talked about. We did have a public meeting on installment two on October 29. That was at the hanna city center. We are grateful to have had Councilwoman Hurtak with us that day and also carroll ann Bennett who sits on our technical advisory group was present with us that evening as well. We had about 50 people between our in-person and our online option for that. That has been uploaded on to the Tampa forward website. So has the installment, so has the presentation. So everything is out there for everyone to go ahead and take a look at. We are taking comments on that. We don't currently have a deadline for when we're going to close that out. We are in the process of drafting installment three that I know many people are interested when that will be coming. We're working with the consultant to get a firm date on that, and when we do, I will share that with you as well as we will post it on the website to be on the lookout for installment three. I want to make sure I touch on everything. All comments or any comments can be sent to Tampa forward at tampagov.net. We do, there are several of us that monitor that. Everything that comes into that e-mail address gets sent to clarion, to jeff green, and he works to review those, and then we discuss them as well. Little friendly reminder, we know this is quite a process. Rather take our time and get it right than get it done. So we're still in drafting. After drafting does come testing. So we get this code together, installment three which has what I think everybody is really looking for, all the goodies, tree and landscape, parking, nonconformities, really the meat of what that last section. We'll probably break that into two installments or two pieces. A and b, because it is going to be quite a lot of content. But once we get all that done and we get a revised full version of the code, we would go into testing to see, okay, if we apply this now, how does it work. In addition to staff proposing different test-case scenarios, we're open to council if you've had a case recently where you're like, oh, I wonder if we had the new code how that would have worked, we can do that, too. And then after that, we would go into adoption. So I wanted to share that as well as just kind of like I mentioned, I know I'm the last person on the agenda, what's in installment 2, remember, installment one had the zoning districts, and it had the definition -- it had some definitions, this also updates the definitions, and it had, I believe, development standards. Zoning districts and development standards in installment one. And then lastly, I wanted to share kind of what I just spoke about, which was a visual that really restructuring of how we currently see things in the code, and now it really is all proposed in one more standardized table with everything in that table as far as who makes the decision, like, in this case, let me go back to one that we're very familiar with. Like, for the euclidean zoning, it says who comes in and where the staff review happens, where the decision is made. Whom it's made by. It says if it is a public hearing or not. And then also where you can find other relative information to that section. Love for everybody to take a look, and if you have any questions, I'm available.

Alan Clendenin

3:17:20PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:17:22PM Yeah, so one of the things that was talked about a bit at that meeting, which was wonderful, by the way, again, appreciate that, was the hearing officer. Could you talk a little bit to us about the types of things that the hearing officer would take off of our plates? Because I know that's one of the concerns from the public, what's going to be taken off. You didn't really go into depth about that. Could you talk a little bit about that today?

Abbye Feeley

3:17:51PM I didn't bring that with me.

Lynn Hurtak

3:17:54PM Could you e-mail to us?

Abbye Feeley

3:17:55PM Yes, I can. I can definitely e-mail that section to you. I think one of the examples we gave at the meeting the other night was like the enclosed garage appeal that came to you the other day. You only hear two review hearings each City Council hearing. I think we've actually had some of that go down. I think you had two that were supposed to be on today for vendors and allowing for more than one vendor to be on a property. But I could go through the application and let you know which ones they are considering that would not come to council but would go to a hearing master.

Lynn Hurtak

3:18:40PM That's the kind of thing --

Abbye Feeley

3:18:43PM Hearing officer.

Lynn Hurtak

3:18:45PM -- when I talk to the public I know which exact ones you're thinking about moving. I think all of us would be interested. You said you want to get our perspective, I want to know what it is so I can give you my perspective.

Abbye Feeley

3:18:56PM Awesome. I can also prepare that for the next monthly update that I bring.

Lynn Hurtak

3:19:01PM That would be great. Thank you.

Alan Clendenin

3:19:03PM Ms. Feeley, if this was a private industry, there would be five people doing your job. Honestly, I can't even imagine what this -- I mean, the spectrum of your job description this has look like what ours looks like. One day, we're talking about poop water and the next day we're talking about land development code. You have so many things. Honestly, I would say almost everything comes into my office, it falls under your purview. It's like everything. Literally, everything. I don't have to worry about anybody else in the city. I just have to have your number. I really do appreciate how much effort and energy. I know this project is so important to the City of Tampa and the amount of effort that you've put into it personally, how much you are vested into this. It has not gone unnoticed. Thank you very much.

Abbye Feeley

3:19:55PM Thank you. I'm grateful for the opportunity to serve.

Alan Clendenin

3:19:59PM Thank you very much. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

3:20:00PM I call my wife wonder woman, like when linda carter turns around and turns into wonder woman. My wife calls Abbye superwoman because of everything you said. We certainly appreciate you and everybody notices.

Abbye Feeley

3:20:16PM I appreciate your support and involvement. I really appreciate it. I know Councilwoman Hurtak the other night with everything you're going through it was really great to have you there. So thank you so much. Have a great day.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:26PM Item number 115.

Lynn Hurtak

3:20:28PM I would like to move to continue this.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:31PM I was going to say that. I think we should have a full council, including district 7. I would suggest December 3rd.

Guido Maniscalco

3:20:41PM Motion to continue to December 3rd.

Lynn Hurtak

3:20:45PM I'll second.

Alan Clendenin

3:20:47PM I have a motion from Councilman Maniscalco and a second from Councilwoman Hurtak to continue item 115 to December 3. That will give us an opportunity to have a full council for something this important. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Sorry, Justin. I know you enjoyed sitting here.

Justin Vaske

3:21:05PM Hey, it's fun. No other place I would rather be. [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

3:21:09PM Looked me right in the eye and lied to me just like that. [ laughter ] was I married to you once? [ laughter ] thank you. That concludes our regularly scheduled program. We are now at new business. We've checked off all the boxes, right?

3:21:36PM Councilwoman Young, new business.

Naya Young

3:21:39PM Yes. Haven't done this in a while, but I went to the equitable table community dinner at Tampa well last night, which was a really awesome opportunity. If you haven't been there yet, they have a beautiful garden right next to the tgh facility. So it's very nice. So I had an opportunity to go there, different community leaders from all over came and had discussions about health and the importance of health in your community. I also, there is a new free clinic that's opening up in Sulphur Springs on 40th street called mercy med. So we went to tour there. Brand-new, I think two weeks in. But really beautiful facility. It's free. They have all of the doctors, even down to the front desk. It is all volunteer. People are coming in to volunteer. It was really awesome. If you have an opportunity to go by there, please, let people know. The Palmetto Beach community neighborhood association had a community meeting a couple of weeks ago. I just wanted to thank HART, Code Enforcement, and our sustainability department that came to the meeting. It was really, really great. The community was very happy to have them there and they were able to provide a lot of information about pathways to palmetto, about bus routes, even Code Enforcement. So it was a great meeting. Thank you all for coming. Also, the Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan has won two awards. I actually happened to be at one of them, the Planning and design award ceremony, myself and Councilman Maniscalco were there. Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan won an award. We were there for CRA, for CRA got two awards, I'll talk about that at the CRA meeting. Yes, Charlie Adams was there as well. Came onstage with us, which was well deserved. Also, I found out when I was at the fra conference for CRA, that neighborhood action plan had won an award of merit at apa Florida. I was not aware of that. I found out, I just so happened to meet the gentleman that I was working with on that project and he told me. No one told you, nobody told me. Sulphur Springs neighborhood action plan has won two awards, so I just wanted to put that out there. Everybody that worked on the project, including myself, good job.

Alan Clendenin

3:24:02PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:05PM So we had an issue. We had a good workshop session, but a couple of you were missing. And we found that the new provision to put public comment at the end didn't really work. Those of us who were here agreed that having public comment following each workshop agenda item was better because by the time we had gotten to public comment, we had already approved and moved some things forward. I'm telling you -- I mean, you agree --

Alan Clendenin

3:24:37PM The problem, I think we've lost track of what a workshop is supposed to be.

Lynn Hurtak

3:24:41PM But having input from the public is important for each item. I'm going to make a motion -- if it doesn't go anywhere, doesn't go anywhere. I move to amend the rules of procedure to allow public comment following each workshop agenda item.

Guido Maniscalco

3:25:00PM I'll second it for Stephanie poynor.

Alan Clendenin

3:25:03PM I'm not going to support it only because, again, and this is the reason why. It's not because of public -- I think what's happened with our work, there -- I think we have to define what a workshop is and what the purpose of that workshop is. And differentiate it between a business meeting where we are taking action and publicly noticed items. Otherwise, it's like our dialogue. A workshop is really free because we have free discussion. It's an opportunity for us to talk in the sunshine about these things.

Lynn Hurtak

3:25:36PM The problem is that we did make motions to move things to an agenda.

Alan Clendenin

3:25:40PM We shouldn't though.

Lynn Hurtak

3:25:43PM But we do. At the end we move things to an agenda or come to an agreement. Then at the very end we heard public comment and public comment had some good stuff that I would have liked to have put in my agreement but I couldn't because we already moved on.

Alan Clendenin

3:25:59PM Play that out, though. It's a workshop. An opportunity for all of us to have a free and open conversation in the sunshine which we can't do any other time, right? If we have that workshop and let's say the business you're talking about, you move it to a City Council agenda and then that's the opportunity for the public comment.

Lynn Hurtak

3:26:17PM But what I'm saying is the public comment provided something that would have made it better.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:22PM They still get the public comment, though.

Lynn Hurtak

3:26:25PM But they only get three minutes to talk about, you know, five items on the agenda. So they don't get a chance to really talk about all the different things. If we could -- if you want to reduce it to like two minutes each or something, that's fine. You can experience it, but we just -- I just found and we all agreed, all four of us who are here agreed that it wasn't very good, that we didn't like it.

Alan Clendenin

3:26:52PM It is the only time as a City Council that we have this opportunity at a workshop to shhh you. The only time in City Council that we have this opportunity. I hate to skewer that or dilute that opportunity by turning it into a quasi-City Council meeting.

Lynn Hurtak

3:27:14PM But you're diluting the opportunity for the public to share ideas that also could be good. I think that's the issue. Because then if we don't have -- so, say it's something that we could have wrapped in and then brought to council for an actual motion, but then when it comes to council, that person shares the idea, then we have to rechange things and it comes back again. It's just doubling the effort. Again --

Alan Clendenin

3:27:41PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. I have a second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Nay.

Charlie Miranda

3:27:50PM You got one nay.

Alan Clendenin

3:27:54PM By the way, the ayes have it with Councilman Clendenin in opposition.

Lynn Hurtak

3:28:02PM I've actually worked with -- I've been working with Scott Steady on this. So this is something that he came up with. We worked on together. Request for the administration to coordinate with staff to prepare an initial draft ordinance addressing the potential for large format digital displays on buildings within the central business district. The draft ordinance shall be presented within 30 days following the completion and presentation to City Council of architecture plus international INC., api plus study, inventory of potential central business district location for displays no later than May 1, 2027.

Alan Clendenin

3:28:39PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. Second from --

Guido Maniscalco

3:28:42PM I'll second it because I have a question. Any impending litigation?

Lynn Hurtak

3:28:49PM No, nothing to do with litigation. What happened was, I think we at a workshop came up with what we wanted to do next with large format digital signs but then there was nothing -- I asked for an ordinance and nothing happened. Then I think what happened was the rays thing started. We all forgot about it. I went to Scott Steady --

Alan Clendenin

3:29:13PM And Councilwoman Henderson is not here.

Lynn Hurtak

3:29:16PM I went to Scott Steady and talked to him about it. He was like, yeah, we went ahead and forwarded and started -- so they actually -- they were able to hop on to an old -- Abbye said she wanted to hop on to another work order to allow the study and the inventory of the potential CBD locations. They've already got somebody. That's going to come back to us really soon for approval. So I just wanted to get this started.

Alan Clendenin

3:29:47PM This is administrative.

Lynn Hurtak

3:29:48PM Yes. Basically, what we're trying to do is while that is going on, they are going to be writing the ordinance at the same time so that they can come to us at the same time.

Guido Maniscalco

3:30:00PM What about the settlement?

Alan Clendenin

3:30:02PM Councilman Maniscalco seconded it.

Lynn Hurtak

3:30:06PM The settlement is completely different. That will be coming to us. From what I understand, Scott Steady, and he'll have to come and talk about this personally, Scott is working -- they are working on the settlement right now.

Guido Maniscalco

3:30:21PM With the sign company.

Lynn Hurtak

3:30:23PM Yes, with the sign companies. They are in active negotiation.

Guido Maniscalco

3:30:26PM I thought there was a pending lawsuit.

Lynn Hurtak

3:30:29PM It's not a lawsuit. They are actually in negotiations to settle.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:35PM Again, if I hear Councilwoman Hurtak correct, this is placed in a hold to have this move forward so we have a spot for it if it's right to be heard for that date.

Lynn Hurtak

3:30:46PM No later than May 1st. That way we'll -- I'm going to keep my finger on it.

Alan Clendenin

3:30:52PM I have a motion and second. Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

3:30:54PM I don't know where this is going. If I smell it in the direction it's going, it means you'll have digital billboards on all the buildings?

Guido Maniscalco

3:31:05PM Central business district, only in downtown.

Lynn Hurtak

3:31:07PM Various limited locations. That's the whole point of the study.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:11PM That's subject to what's happening behind the scenes.

Charlie Miranda

3:31:14PM I'm totally against that. When you change this downtown, that has grown on itself by the people wanting to live here, and now you're having an enormous amount of residential properties built in downtown and they are going to look out the window and see a sign like this I don't want Tampa to be New York. I don't want Tampa to be las vegas. I want Tampa to be Tampa. What we're saying is we're changing something that -- it's gone from nothing to really an enormous city, a wonderful downtown. What we're trying to do is get more money, squeeze more money into what? Money doesn't solve the problem. You're going to create a difference, what made the City of Tampa and you're going to change it to something else. I'm totally against that.

Alan Clendenin

3:31:58PM I have a motion and I have a second. All in favor aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

3:32:03PM Aye.

Alan Clendenin

3:32:04PM Motion passes with Councilman Miranda in opposition. Councilman Maniscalco.

Guido Maniscalco

3:32:09PM Thank you very much. I have a few commendations from state representative elect Viera on his behalf. I would if he asked. Why not. We heard public comment this morning, I'm just putting this out there, council members. Not making any motion. This is the Florida affordable energy resolution. There are a bunch of whereases. I made copies for everyone, so you can look at it. I don't see anything controversial, but again, I don't want to jump the gun and make a motion and it fails and blindside anybody. There is a section here that says hyperscale data centers. I would like to remove that because you have your motion regarding that, and we can keep that separate. I don't want to affect that. But I made copies for everyone. If they like to look at this and bring it up at a future meeting, whether the 19th or December 3rd, and if council members -- I'll revisit this then under new business. If council members are comfortable with this and we have a full council, we'll move forward with it. At least we have that idea and I'll give you a copy and for the clerk. You can look over it. -- if not December 3. If you are comfortable, I'll make a motion that we draft this. Just a resolution.

Alan Clendenin

3:33:35PM As you know, we bring this up at future meeting. I appreciate you giving us time and opportunity to look at it between now and then as well. For the public, by the way, I am fully personally in support. Give me -- old TECO bill, crazy. I'm fully supportive of your agenda. But we have an issue with Tampa City Council that we resolve. That is we try to stick to -- and this may actually fit that. It may fit within our parameters, but we have a policy that this City Council only adopts things that are within our purview. So that's why if gaza, abortion, Councilman Viera was here, some of the foreign policies related to Cuba and things like that that aren't within our purview, this council doesn't dive into because it's just a deep hole that you can't get out of. We adopted a policy a couple of years ago restricting our ability to do that intentionally. So as we read through this and as long as it is something that the City Council has some control over, again, I would be supportive of. Something the City Council doesn't control, like electrical bills, the psc, those kind of things. Probably defer to that. That doesn't mean that any one of us can't sign petitions, make phone calls. On a personal level, we talked about that before. We all have our personal politics versus council business.

Guido Maniscalco

3:35:07PM Yeah. I'll revisit this, if we have time on the 19th. I know it is a short day, but we'll have a full council. If not, December 3rd and okay to say no. if anybody feels uncomfortable, no hurt feelings.

Alan Clendenin

3:35:20PM We'll have to evaluate it based on reading the document. I'll get Mr. Shelby's advice, too, as chair if it is in order of our current council rules.

Martin Shelby

3:35:29PM The thing is, I've already had an opportunity to talk with the Legal Department about this as well. It is the kind of policy issue that whether it's me drafting and I'm happy to do it or the Legal Department it really should be a motion of council to do it rather than on behalf of an individual council member. In other words, if council makes a decision to direct us to be able to do that, to direct me to be able to do that, I'm happy to do that.

Alan Clendenin

3:35:56PM I don't know if I understood what you just said.

Martin Shelby

3:35:58PM What I just said to you if this were let's say to come to me by an individual council member to draft a resolution, I'd say, this is something that really requires --

Alan Clendenin

3:36:13PM Legalese.

Martin Shelby

3:36:14PM No, not legalese, that it be at the direction of the board because it is something that --

Alan Clendenin

3:36:23PM Now I understand what you're saying. To put into other words, if council at this meeting, Councilman Maniscalco brings this up, what would be expected, Councilman Maniscalco, would be at the next meeting, with the acceptance of council, your motion would be to direct legal staff to come back or get Mr. Shelby --

Guido Maniscalco

3:36:46PM I want to give everybody a heads up.

Alan Clendenin

3:36:49PM Honestly, really good that you did that. I appreciate that.

Guido Maniscalco

3:37:00PM I've given you documents with some data and then the actual resolution to receive and file. That's the motion.

Alan Clendenin

3:37:06PM All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Guido Maniscalco

3:37:09PM My last motion on January 8, staff came back regarding manatee protection zones to establish an ordinance. So I have an ordinance, which I'm going to hand out. I have copies for everyone and the clerk. I would like to make a motion to put this ordinance, establishing a manatee protection zone on the Hillsborough River to come back for first reading and adoption on November 19, 2026. I believe my legislative aide checked with that. We had our briefing with the Legal Department. If there is an issue, we can push it back.

Martin Shelby

3:37:44PM My only concern with November 19, we start at 11. We also have all the public hearings on the charter stuff.

Guido Maniscalco

3:37:54PM Let's do it December 3rd. We start at 11. Unusual, because of the great american teach-in. Make a motion to put this ordinance, I'll hand it out, establishing a manatee protection zone on the Hillsborough River to come back for first reading and adoption on November 19 -- sorry, December 3, 2026.

Alan Clendenin

3:38:19PM Motion from Councilman Maniscalco. Second from Councilman Miranda. All in favor, aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. I fully support our manatees. Is that it? Councilman Miranda.

Charlie Miranda

3:38:34PM I have five items. One, motion to have Revenue and Finance staff present the 26 year-end budget revenue financial review of January to be reviewed on January 21 of 2027.

Alan Clendenin

3:38:48PM Thank you. Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

3:38:53PM Motion to have the Revenue and Finance staff present the 2027 first quarter General Fund net revenue report review on February 18, 2027.

Alan Clendenin

3:39:03PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

3:39:08PM Item 3, motion to have the Revenue and Finance staff present the annual debt capacity report on February 25 of 2027.

Alan Clendenin

3:39:16PM Motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed?

Charlie Miranda

3:39:20PM Motion to have the Revenue and Finance staff present the 30-year CIT remaining fund balance on March 4, 2027.

Alan Clendenin

3:39:26PM Motion from Councilman Miranda, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

3:39:33PM One more. This I thought up today when doing the hearings. Vacating right-of-ways and other city properties. I really believe we have to make an ordinance that the City of Tampa if it meets all regulations of the city and passes all city regulations at time of presentation, it shall be -- whoever comes before us, bidding at, whatever the price of unit per square foot within a circumference of the property.

Alan Clendenin

3:40:02PM That one was a vacation, not a property ownership.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:05PM I understand. But in case -- we're doing this every day, and somebody is making something of it.

Alan Clendenin

3:40:12PM If I hear you right, you're asking staff to come back at a certain date.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:16PM I say whatever we have on the calendar.

Alan Clendenin

3:40:18PM With a report.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:19PM To find out if that's possible.

Lynn Hurtak

3:40:21PM What date?

Alan Clendenin

3:40:24PM December 17.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:25PM December --

Lynn Hurtak

3:40:26PM 17, they are going to be pushing it.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:29PM How about January?

Lynn Hurtak

3:40:31PM January.

Alan Clendenin

3:40:34PM January 21st.

Charlie Miranda

3:40:38PM Any excess property or property vacating, we're just giving it away, we should sell it.

Alan Clendenin

3:40:44PM Motion from Councilman Miranda to direct staff to come back to City Council on January 21st, 2027, and if you would coordinate with Councilman Miranda to get the specifics of what his request is on how we dispense property and if there's any value associated with that. I have a motion from Councilman Miranda. Second from Councilwoman Hurtak. All those in favor say aye. Opposed? Ayes have it.

Charlie Miranda

3:41:09PM That's enough from me.

Alan Clendenin

3:41:11PM Councilwoman Hurtak.

Lynn Hurtak

3:41:11PM Kelly forgot to put one in my folder. So we've talked about it and sort of joked about it a little bit, but on Tuesday, the voters agreed to pass amendment 3. So we're going to have to cut our budget significantly going forward. Because I've been getting a ton of questions from constituents about it, and I don't have enough information, I think we all need an update. I motion to have a staff report on the budget plan in the wake of amendment 3 to be done during the administrative update on November 19, 2026, just a quick update. Nothing major. We can dive into it later, but that way just during the administrative update, just for them --

Alan Clendenin

3:41:59PM No more than five minutes.

Lynn Hurtak

3:42:01PM Yeah, five, ten minutes, just to say, hey, this is what's going on. From there, we can set other times. Because we'll have to start going through our budget. We'll have to cut things. Some things have already been happening at the administrative level, but we really have to look and see. We can't leave this to the next council.

Alan Clendenin

3:42:19PM The impact is not going to hit until '28.

Lynn Hurtak

3:42:22PM Still, we need to put money in reserves, we need to be Planning. From my understanding, the mayor has already done a moratorium on hiring, which is SMART. But cutting $80 million can't be done quickly.

Alan Clendenin

3:42:35PM Just 30 the first year. It's 2029 where it hits us hard.

Lynn Hurtak

3:42:41PM We need to start talking about this.

Alan Clendenin

3:42:44PM I support this.

Lynn Hurtak

3:42:45PM We cannot leave it for the next council to deal with.

Alan Clendenin

3:42:47PM Motion from Councilwoman Hurtak. A second from Councilman Maniscalco. Is that correct? Second from Councilman Maniscalco. All in favor aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. Is that it?

Lynn Hurtak

3:42:56PM Yes. Okay. Chair.

Alan Clendenin

3:42:59PM I have one quick one. It's for part of our community that is really important and contributing. I would like to allow for a presentation on December 17, 2026, on the sewa Diwali to share its local impact and nationwide success and highlight how its values of service, compassion, unity, and community participation can continue to benefit Tampa residents.

Lynn Hurtak

3:43:26PM Motion from Chair Clendenin, second from Councilman Maniscalco. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Guido Maniscalco

3:43:34PM Move to receive and file.

Alan Clendenin

3:43:35PM Hold on one second. I want to say thank you, council. Today was a tough day. I was going on like no sleep. And it was -- it was kind of complicated. I appreciate you guys sticking with us. I think the meeting went really well. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Oh, wait. Councilwoman Young, where did you go that --

Naya Young

3:44:04PM I saw Hamilton. It was awesome. It was a full house. I think they are here until the 9th. If you haven't gone to see it yet, please go see it. It was awesome. It was awesome. It was a packed house, all ages, which was amazing. I even saw like kids in front of me, they were really enjoying it. Fantastic play.

Guido Maniscalco

3:44:31PM Don't forget the sound of music will be here in the spring. It's great.

Charlie Miranda

3:44:41PM Who is the producer of Hamilton? Guy named Miranda? [ laughter ]

Alan Clendenin

3:44:48PM You know what, I am going to be graceful and leave that alone. I have a motion to receive and file. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Ayes have it. We're adjourned. [ sounding gavel ] we beat 4:00, didn't we? Disclaimer: this file represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Any person who needs a verbatim transcript of the proceedings may need to hire a court reporter. ▶ meeting video the information contained in these pages represents an unedited version of realtime captioning which should neither be relied upon for complete accuracy nor used as a verbatim transcript. Persons requiring a verbatim transcript may need to hire a court reporter. © - City of Tampa (813) 274-8211